Linux-Advocacy Digest #34, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 07:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I think I'm in love..... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Tom Wilson)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! (2:1)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (2:1)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (2:1)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (2:1)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:27:47 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8u08co$nve$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Marty wrote:
> >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> > > > that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> > > > and no other.
> >
> > False.
> >
> > > This is an area where the flexibility of OS/2 particularly shines. You
> > > can have several different programs associated with the file type and
> > > select among
> > > them by right-clicking the object in question. You can make the default
> > > something safe, like a Notepad type of app. For objects that you know
> are
> > > safe, you can change just their defaults to use a different app and this
> > > information is stored in the extended attributes of that particular
> file.
> >
> > And you can do the same in Windows.
>
> What do I have to change so I always have the option of opening a file
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> with notepad (even files with no extension) instead of executing
> whatever it is that explorer thinks should happen when I touch it?
Your operating system: Lose the Microsoft Screw-ware.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:36:17 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Terry Porter wrote:
>
> > >* My sound card (still) isn't supported
> > It will NEVER be "supported" this isnt Windows, until someone writes a
> > driver (that could be you Goodwin, youve told us how you're a programmer)
> > you won't have one.
>
> OK, what I meant to say was no one has written a driver for my sound card -
> at least one that comes with Linux Mandrake. I did try the OSS one but KDE2
> didn't like it, I ended up with a blank X desktop.
>
> > >* LILO boot keeps coming and going
> > Hmm thats a interesting phrase, wonder what it means ?
>
> Use your imagination. Sometimes I have to use a boot floppy to get into
> Linux. I use System Commander as my boot, and it occaisonally complains the
> partition I'm trying to boot doesn't have a recognisable boot block. I've
> no idea what is blowing that away.
Why are you rebooting all the time?
Get it up and LEAVE IT UP. It's not fucking crash-happy windows, you know.
>
> > >* Fonts all got stuck on some ugly fixed font
> > Ahh you should use the electronic fonts then, they are a vast improvement
> > over the paper ones with sticky backs.
>
> Perhaps I should use Windows, after all it works!
for about 6 hours
>
> > >* Quite a few SIGSEGV's in KDE 2.0
> > Its a work in progress, stick to a stable package if you dont like the odd
> > SIGSEGV.
>
> I thought KDE 2.0 was supposed to be a stable package. It was released
> recently wasn't it?
>
> > There are many other alternatives to KDE, this isnt *Windows*.
>
> So what? I like KDE, when it works.
What are you doing wrong?
>
> > I'm just waiting for Goodwin to get a clue...
>
> I'm still waiting for Linux to be what it's being hyped to be, a
> replacement for Windows.
>
> --
> Pete Goodwin
>
> Just waiting for Linux to get there...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Wilson)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:04:43 GMT
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:53:23 GMT, XYZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>My thoughts on Windows 2000....
>
>What a bug-ridden piece of shit. If I burn an audio CD, everything works fine,
>but don't try burning another after it! The CD Writer driver (or something in
>the subsystem) fucks itself up after the first burn...when you're burning the
>second CD, it gets all the way to the end, then when it is 75% through burning
>the last track, the whole application just disappears, and the CD Writer locks
>up and won't let you eject the CD. Then when you play it, it plays fine,
>except for the spot where it stopped writing on the last track. What absolute
>dogshit. So I have to burn a CD, reboot, burn another, reboot.
Sounds like you're using Adaptec EasyCD....
Memory leaks out the wazoo!
(At least with my version)
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Crossposted-To:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:58:45 GMT
Bruce Schuck writes:
> Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
Which version are you referring to?
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:14:05 GMT
"Colin R. Day" wrote:
>
> Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> > > Dos games aren't supposed to run under WinNT or Win2k for that matter. Neither
> > > OS was advertised to be 100% fully dos compatible. BTW: Linux cannot run all
> > > your dos games either. Does that make it shitty?
> >
> > No, but it doesn't neither hang nor reboot, which is quite interesting,
> > because DOSEMU is still 0.9x release.
> >
>
> Dosemu has had 1.0.x releases.
>
> Colin Day
I wasn't aware. Thanks a lot.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:33:03 +1000
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:MbPM5.6237$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8u0cd6$o50$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
> >
> > They worked together on it. Then Windows 3.0 (unexpectedly) took off so
> > Microsoft dropped OS/2, hired Dave Cutler and a bunch of ex-DEC people
and
> > started on NT as the Next Big Thing to run Windows apps.
>
> Actually, MS hired Dave Cutler in 1988, 2 years before Windows 3 hit the
> shelves. The project he was hired for was called OS/2 NT, or Portable
OS/2
> designed to be run on althernate processors.
Argh. Oops, so I guess it was more along the lines of NT was just going to
be the Next Big Thing and then when Win3.0 took of it became the Next Big
Thing to run Windows apps ? :)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:59:44 +0000
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Ilja Booij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8tun8a$5l88j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <GA%L5.27546$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Ilja Booij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8tpknp$5t9c8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "chrisv"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Europe is the heart of our Western Culture.
> > >> >
> > >> > No it's not. Western culture is more and more American culture.
> > >> >
> > >> >>Anything which comes forth from Europe generally ends up spreading
> > >> >>across the world.
> > >> >
> > >> > No it doesn't. America's influence is much stronger than Europe's.
> > >> >
> > >> > Don't want to start an argument. Just stating facts.
> > >> Nice facts.. do you have any proof of these facts?
> > >>
> > >> of course there are a lot of things from the US spreading in Europe,
> > >> mostly to do with popular culture. now look at (the more important
> > >> things like) politics, business, etc not to much US-like-models to be
> > >> found there!
> > >
> > > Is that a good thing?
> > >
> > > Juding by how the Europe economy is doing, I'd say no. They could learn
> > > a few thousand things from the U.S.
> > I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a bad economy where i live. in fact, the
> > economy is growing quite rapidly. maybe not growing as fast as in the us,
> > but i we talk quality of life i don't see a big difference.
> > i'd rather have 6 weeks of free time a year, than earn more and and get
> > just 2 or 3 weeks of!
>
> The euro is way down.
>
> It's because we take 2-3 weeks off that you guys can take 6.
Xenophobic bullshit.
>
> American's aren't lazy, we do all the work so Europeans can be snooty to
> us.
More xenophobic bullshit
> >
> > >
> > > It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't result in the jeapordization of our
> > > (U.S. and Europe's) security with France selling armaments
> > > (including some nuclear secrets!) to Iraq and Iran. Now Russia's
> > > doing it to!
> > i didn't really include russia in europe (ok, it's europe, but i meant
> > western europe.)
>
> I wasn't implying that Russia was part of Europe (like you said, it could
> technically be part of it, at least the west site of the Urals, but I
> wasn't referring to that). I was implying that Europeans have started a
> trend and now Russia is following suit.
The US started the trend a few years ogo. Where do you think Iraq got
the arms to invade Kuwaite with from?
> > if you're talking about france selling these secrets
>
> They're not selling secrets, really, they're selling armaments and
> assisting Iraq set up nuclear power plants and other nuclear facilities.
>
> > than please enlighten me on U.S trade with China (on of the most
> > undemocratic countries in the world!)
>
> It's because our corrupt liberal government (Clinton/Gore) have saw
> fit to sell out morality, safety, and honor in favor of more campaign
> contributions.
>
> Gore even helped broker the Russian deal with Iran! <sigh... shaking
> head>
>
> Don't get me started on Clinton/Gore... American's are fixing that,
> however, G.W.Bush is in the lead and will rectify the situation.
I hope he looses. He is far too right wing. gore acutally has some
sensible policies.
> > let me add that i also think the french are stupid for selling these
> > armaments.
>
> We are in complete agreement!
>
> -Chad
You are both xenophobic and stupid. I hope someone will pull your head
out of the sand. Sadly, it won't be me.
Welcome to the first line in my twit filter.
*PLONK*
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:01:54 +0000
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > John Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > And you seem incapable of grasping that anyone would want more then MS
> > > > Office.
> > > >
> > > > Fool
> > > >
> > > > -Ed
> > > >
> > >
> > > So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
> >
> > My point is not that there are / are not better office suites, but
> > people may not even want office suites. He seems to be under the
> > illusion that all anyone wants is a microsoft office suite.
> >
> > I for one want (and have) a set of compiled and interpreted languages
> > and a typesetter.
> >
> > I have only a limited use for an office suite.
>
> Well ... Ofice does allow you to program in VBA and compile VBA. WSH does
> the same thing with VBscript and Jscript.
What's WSH?
> Perl and Python and a whole bunch of other languages are avialble now. And
> will be available as part of .NET with the same interface and compile to the
> CLR.
Will (future tense). I want and have had them for the past 2 years.
Linux has more of what I want than windows does and it comes with it by
default (ie no searching for me). What he won't accept is that for some
people Linux provides more of what they want.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:04:55 +0000
> > Eh?
> >
> > No I know the difference. I was saying that you are applying double
> > standards. With one breath you (winvocates) say users won't want
> > compilers: they want a word processor, spreadsheet, monay package and
> > games.
I qualified it by directing it at winvocates in general, not you. Read
the post more carefully.
> That wasn't my list. But go ahead and create strawman arguments. It's the
> usual Linux response.
> > No database in that list. In the next breath, you say that Linux
> > is bad because it has no easy database package. That, however doesn't
> > appear in the previous list.
>
> Not my list.
Read the post.
> My list includes tools like Access. And a free web server that kicks ass
khttpd is free. It seems to slaughter everything in sight.
> with dynamic content and even beats Apache with static content delivery. And
> many many other great things about Win2K.
What has Access got to do with a web server.
You're diverting the point
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:09:28 +0000
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And IIS 5 on Win2K serves up dynamic content much faster than other
> > > > > platforms.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2551188,00.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's a very poor link. There was very little relavent information.
> You
> > > > need more information than was provided there.
> > >
> > > It was real clear. Win2K kicks ass.
> > >
> > > Quote:
> > >
> > > Microsoft has emphasized the use of Active Server Pages (ASPs) and ISAPI
> for
> > > its dynamic content, and the results showed on our tests. With four
> > > processors, Windows 2000 practically ran away with our API Dynamic
> > > E-Commerce tests, usually processing more than twice the requests per
> second
> > > of runner-up Solaris with iPlanet.
> >
> >
> >
> > It doesn't say what Linux was using.
>
> Yes it does.
>
> Quote:
>
> The Linux/Apache architecture lagged behind the other products on our Static
> tests. Apache lacks a multithreaded architecture, instead relying on costly
> additional processes to service requests.
>
> Red Hat Linux Professional 6.1 bundled with Secure Apache Web Server 1.3.9
It doesn't say what Linux was using for dynamic content. Sorry, I was
being lazy with typing :-0
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:56:09 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > runas command.
>
> Could you give some details? There's no trace of runas in NT on-line
> doc, I tried help runas and I got sort of " no help available for runas,
> try runas /?". I tried runas /? to be told that /? is neither an
> executable nor a batch file. Maybe it does a lot, but documentation
> appears a bit concise!
Start>Run>Help>Index
Write "runas", and it will take you to the runas CLI & GUI explanations.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:56:59 +0200
"Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> > that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> > and no other.
>
> This is an area where the flexibility of OS/2 particularly shines. You
can
> have several different programs associated with the file type and select
among
> them by right-clicking the object in question. You can make the default
> something safe, like a Notepad type of app. For objects that you know are
> safe, you can change just their defaults to use a different app and this
> information is stored in the extended attributes of that particular file.
Here is a tip, Windows can do the *same*
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:57:07 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bill Vermillion wrote:
> >
> > In article <8tsopq$36g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> > It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe
> > >> > scenario is a trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> >
> > >> Really now.
> >
> > >> So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
> >
> > >Not enough people interested in making them?
> >
> > Well unless you consistanly run as root the worst any email virus
> > could do would be wipe out your own files. Why write a virus if
> > you can't nuke the entire system :-).
> >
> > Many many many years ago - and details are fuzzy as this happened
> > before I got into Unix 15+ years ago - I remember reading how some
> > pepole would have 'fun' embedding some strings in documents, and
> > that it was either 1) vi or 2) mail application which would execute
> > code if it was in the first 4 lines of the file. This was used to
> > nuke files when someone read/edited the file. That was very very
> > early usenet - so maybe someone else who was around then can fill
> > in the details.
>
> if you start any line in the top four lines with a colon (":") vi
> will interpret the line as an ex command. However, unlike word
> macros, you can avoid such things by first using top (1) on the file.
By default, Word will present a polite question asking you whatever you want
to run the macro, and will inform you that it can be unsafe.
But you wouldn't know that.
> VAX and SUN. Used a buffer overrun attack.
>
> Code that allowed buffer overruns was all cleaned up out of Unix within
> a couple weeks.
Which is why there are still exist in unix/linux today?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:57:36 +0200
"Bill Vermillion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8tsopq$36g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe
> >> > scenario is a trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
>
> >> Really now.
>
> >> So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
>
> >Not enough people interested in making them?
>
> Well unless you consistanly run as root the worst any email virus
> could do would be wipe out your own files. Why write a virus if
> you can't nuke the entire system :-).
Personally, I believe that if I will lose my files, I'll be in much worse
shape than if I would lose my OS.
OS, any OS, is easily replaced, if you know what you are doing.
Losing docs, emails, source, images, all of this, *that* would be horrible.
Losing OS, big deal, enter CD, answer questions, install drivers, install
patches, install programs, one or two days max.
Restoring my files is sometimes impossible and usually will take much
longer.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:57:30 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Sam Morris wrote:
> >
> > > But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
> > > to trust it.
> >
> > And this is the fault of the OS how?
>
> The entire Microsoft paradigm is nothing more than a gilded-brick
> road to hell
And this has to do with people trusting emails coming from their employees
how?
> > > besides, it really doesn't matter if you open up the virus-laden
> > > excel macro inside your e-mail or if you save it first and then
> > > load it up...you're STILL fucking screwed, because Losedows STILL
> > > doesn't have proper filesystem protection via permission bits or
> > > any other similar scheme.
> >
> > So have you not heard of NTFS, or are you just deliberately ignoring its
> > existence?
>
> NTFS is a childish toy.
Why?
Shorten your sig.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:58:55 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:SGLM5.121746$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > But if someone double-clicks it instead of starting the other app
to
> > > > access it you are still fried.
> > >
> > > True of any email attachment in any operating system.
> >
> > Not quite true. What double clicking an attachment in outlook does is
hand
> > it off to the shell for handling (after the obligatory "this could be a
bad
> > idea" dialog box) by whatever application has registered as the handler
for
> > its filetype. Not all mailers do this, and not all shells have a direct
> > equivalent to a filetype being mapped to a "handler" - thus the "not
quite
> > true" above.
> >
> > The equivalent exercise under most *nix mailers would be to manually
pipe
> > the attachment to its "handler", in which case the results of something
like
> > a script to delete a whole bunch of files (a la "ILOVEYOU") would be
pretty
> > much identical.
> >
> > I'd imagine some GUI mailers under *nix do much the same thing Outlook
> > does - hands the attachment off to whatever handler is registered for
that
> > filetype. I wouldn't know - I use pine.
> >
> > The quickest and easiest way for a sysadmin to neuter VBScript "viruses"
is
> > to just set the default handler for a .vbs file to notepad (or some
other
> > editor) and distribute the setting as a .reg file. Of course, your
users
> > that normally run a lot of .vbs files by just double clicking on them
might
> > get a tad annoyed.
>
> And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> and no other.
Not quite, each file extention can have only one *default* program, but:
A> Any program can try to open any file (as long as the user has access to
it)
B> You can have as many programs as you want ready to launch and read the
file in the file's menu.
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