Linux-Advocacy Digest #34, Volume #31 Sat, 23 Dec 00 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: This group should rename itself (Shane Phelps)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("JS/PL")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Kyle Jacobs")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:54:45 GMT
Said Chad C. Mulligan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 21 Dec 2000
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Chad C. Mulligan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [...]
>> >I'd think the developer is required to write his application correctly to
>> >the target platform.
>>
>> I think that's because you presume, incorrectly, that software
>> development is an academic pursuit. Currently, writing software is a
>> commercial venture. Which means the developer has what requirements the
>> *customer* places on them, entirely independent and unrelated to the
>> arbitrary and entirely unimportant suggestions that the platform
>> developer might have for how the API is most "correctly" used.
>>
>
>A developer with that attitude won't stay in business long, they'll soon
>join the ranks of open sores.
You are correct; it is not possible to compete with anti-competitive
behavior. In the current, disfunctional, software markets, an honest
and talented programmer has less of a chance of staying in business then
a thief and a liar. Yet another reason Windows is monopoly crapware.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:54:47 GMT
Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 23 Dec 2000 06:23:24
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:26
>> [...]
>> >Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than not,
>> >absolutely right in what he says.
>>
>> Think harder.
>
>Drop dead.
Guffaw.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This group should rename itself
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:02:00 +1100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> > > Oh come on! I don't need long experience of Linux to tell me Linux + KDE
> > > is no match for Windows!
> > >
> > > If you're comparing Linux on its own to Windows, then that's another
> > > story. However, I'm not, I'm comparing Linux + KDE to Windows.
> > >
> >
> > Am I misinterpreting this if I paraphrase it as
> > "MS Windows is a better Window manager than KDE"?
>
> That and the fact that Windows is more stable than KDE2.0
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
I asked a serious question, Pete. It requires more than a yes/no answer.
A WM does not an OS make. How am I misinterpreting your argument?
BTW, I just installed Mandrake 7.2 on a Dell Dimension L566cx
and allowed it to use XFree86 4 and KDE2. There are definitely
problems with screen redraw on terminal sessions. I am far
more inclined to put this down to problems with Xfree86 4 than
anything else (possibly the accelerated video support) since
it worked fine with XFree86 3.x and Enlightenment in its earlier
life with Red Hat 6.2.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:12:07 -0500
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS/PL wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >And then he essentially calls his own books fiction!!! Here
> > > it is!!!
> > >
> > > In the nonfiction world, the numbers I <<<
> > > racked up just don't happen. Look <<<
> > > at any number of books that have come
> > > out on the nonfiction side that
> > > have been heralded as tremendous sellers,
> > > and you'll see total sales run of 300,000.
> > >
> > > See, I TOLD YOU SO!!! Rush admits his work is essentially FICTION !!!!
> >
> > Sounds to me like he's talking about "NON-FICTION" notice the *NON*
above.
> > >
> > > Chris "learning the techniques of the Institute for Advanced
Conservative
> > > Studies"
> >
> > You see... you must actually READ IT before commenting on what it says.
>
> And my point went clean over your head!!! I used the very same technique
> as Rush -- take a source, clip out the parts I don't like, and quote
> the rest, to make only the point I want to make, and to make everyone
> else out to be stupid, bungling, or evil. That is a bona fide
> technique of that lying shithead, Rush Limbaugh. Except in this case
> you can get to the link to get the right information.
>
> As far as his bilious claim that his book is the best-selling non-fiction
> book aside from the Bible, take a look at this list of the "best sellers
> of all time":
>
> http://www.adventur.com/reading/top10.htm
>
> The Holy Bible is indeed first. Second comes "Quotes from Chairman
> Mao Tsetung". Third is the "American Spelling Book" by Noah Webster.
> Benjamin Spock and the World Almanac appear. RUSH DOES NOT APPEAR IN
> THIS LIST. He is a lying son-of-a-bitch!
What "LIST"? You mean that bridge page to Amazon.com link you posted?
It's what's termed as a "bridge page". It has no meaning except to be
constructed with popular keywords that will get the best placement at search
engines, so that the owner of that pathetic page you quote as gospel might
make a few cents in commission. That's how you found the worthless page, it
was designed to be at the top of the results for the keywords you entered,
dolt.
Oh... and your page link doesn't quote any numbers, just links to Amazon.
>
> For more proof, you need to get educated. A good place to start is
> "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" by Al Franken, a hard-hitting
> expose of one of the most cheese-brained entertainers of our time.
> I wonder what stories that poor fat-headed bastard is going to have to
> concoct now that George Dubya is President. Oh yeah, Hillary in the
> Senate. I think Rush is deeply attracted and deeply repelled by
> her.
Al Franken is a failing comedian, was never too funny, and must latch onto
popular writers for subject matter to sell his pathetic books.
Does Rush Limbaughs truth spewing feel like holy water on a vampire? It does
seem to have that effect on the most extreme socialists who's one true enemy
IS TRUTH.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:56:39 GMT
I love how you idiots "plonk" people when they have something logical to
say.
Well, whatever keeps you in your little Linux world, where Linux is supreme,
the only available choice, and your own, personal Microsoft.
"Ignorant Lutefisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91th8i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi Claire (swango, some other shit)
> pl0nk!
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > For lack of anything else to do I decided to go cold turkey and run
> > Linux exclusively for one day and see how it measured up for general
> > use. No games, no financial packages or Windows only programs, just
> > general surfing and letter writing and so forth. The idea was to try
> > the different gui's, programs and so forth for an entire day and see
> > how Linux compares to Windows 2k.
> >
> > I have Mandrake 7.2 already set up and running, as best as it can for
> > Linux that is.
> >
> > First off, this version of Linux is anything but stable and that is a
> > fact. Here are a few bugs:
> >
> > Open a terminal window under kde and that's the end of it. You can
> > never open another one because it is hung. You can open other programs
> > and run them but when you try to logout of kde it is hung and it's
> > kill the xserver time.
> >
> > Wheel mouse worked fine until I tried Gnome instead of kde and it (the
> > wheel) never worked again after that. Re-installing via DrakConf
> > didn't help.
> >
> > Use the Fontmanager to find my Windows TT Fonts, which it does, but
> > they never show up in any of the menues to be selected. SO where are
> > they and how do I use them?
> >
> > Setting up an account in Gnome Dialer doesn't work. When you hit OK
> > button after inputting all the data it just goes back to a blank, like
> > when you started. Real nice applet that one is.
> >
> > Selecting "Help" in just about any program brings up that totally
> > useless generic KDE help (How to move a mouse etc), or a message that
> > help hasn't been written yet. Doesn't surprise me seeing as half of
> > kde hasn't been written yet. It looks and acts like a toy and is very
> > unstable.
> >
> > Menues between the various window managers don't have the same
> > selections in them. For example:DrakConf is missing from
> > Enlightenment. So where did they go?
> >
> > Speaking of Enlightenment (pretty nice BTW), once you run it all of
> > your menues in kde and Gnome get screwed up. Totally out to lunch
> > unless you wish to rebuild all of your menus.
> >
> > Printing doesn't work with StarOffice and CUPS.
> >
> > Trying to change the fonts under Gnome Terminal is an exercise in
> > confusion. Couldn't they just have a selection "big, larger,huge like
> > kde does instead of telling me every fsking detail about the font
> > except what type it is (tty etc).
> >
> > XFree 4.x kills the WheelMouse. Never works even with imwheel.
> >
> > My Matrox G400 with 16 meg is identified as a 4 meg card. No way to
> > change it because Linux insists it has 4 meg.
> >
> > Not to mention none of my USB devices work.
> >
> > Add to this that Netscape looks like crap no matter what font is
> > chosen. StarOffice takes an eternity to load and doesn't import
> > correctly from Word for Mac, which even Wordperfect for WIndows does
> > fine.
> >
> > MusicMatch Jukebox is a half assed, bloated (13meg) pig that runs like
> > molasses under Wino.
> >
> > Typical of Linux programs, it is a generation behind the Windows
> > version.
> >
> > I did like knode though and that application has promise.
> >
> > DrakConf is pretty nice as well.
> >
> > Konquerer doesn't manage certificates well and has an annoying pause
> > in it every time you click on a link. The gears pause for a second
> > before the thing starts going. Very annoying. It is also much slower
> > than IE 5.5 at loading pages from the sites I frequent.
> >
> > And on and on and on....
> >
> > Free or not, one has to wonder if anyone test's these things before
> > they ship this garbage.
> >
> > So tell me again, why should I switch from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why
> > should anyone switch? Is there a compelling reason? Surely just
> > looking at the painful boxy fonts of Linux is enough to make one run
> > back to Windows. The way I see it I would be taking a huge step
> > backwards all for the joy of running Linux.
> >
> > Nothing much has changed in 2 years from a UI point of view.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Flatfish
> > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > Remove the ++++ to reply.
>
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:47:12 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > So tell me again, why should I switch from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why
> Because LoseDOS2K is a piece of shit, just like eVERY OTHER microshaft
product.
And this product is not shit, why? Because it was "free"? Speaking of
shit, this is a really shitty excuse.
> Boooooo fucking hooooooo
>
> Grow up and learn how to use the it...a REAL operating system.
He did, he switched to Windows 2000, seeing it's clear technological
advantage (as well as UI advantage) over Linux in general. It's your turn
now.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:29:52 GMT
When you say "nicely integrates" you mean cut and paste and call a distro,
right?
I've seen a three year old tape paper togather better than most of the
distro's keep their product "integration" tight.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91v18f$4c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >You can choose from distributions that don't work at all (Corel).
> >Distributions that are a year and a half behind (Debian and
> >Slackware).
> >Distributions that are full of bugs (Redhat).
> >And distributions that use deceptive marketing (Mandrake).
>
> Or you could go with the competing product, which nicely integrates all
> those features into one readily available and immensely popular package
;-)
>
> Bernie "Too Easy!" Meyer
> --
> A thick skin is a gift from God
> Konrad Adenauer
> First Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany
> New York Times, 30 December 1959
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:49:31 GMT
This entire post is dedicated to the ideal that "Well, your not having this
problem, so it's YOU not Linux".
Isn't this the same line you Linux zealots are consistently bashing
Microsoft for? Claiming that "Well, OUR Windows works just fine, so it's
entirely you and your computer"...
Gee, truth hurts. So does hippocrracy.
"Yatima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:27:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > For lack of anything else to do I decided to go cold turkey and run
> > Linux exclusively for one day and see how it measured up for general
> > use.
>
> For lack of anything better to do I decided to respond to this blatant
> troll.
>
> > I have Mandrake 7.2 already set up and running, as best as it can for
> > Linux that is.
>
> I'm running debian (Sid - the unstable branch).
>
> > First off, this version of Linux is anything but stable and that is a
> > fact. Here are a few bugs:
>
> I'm running unstable in debian which, ironically, is the most stable
> setup I've ever used.
>
> > Open a terminal window under kde and that's the end of it. You can
> > never open another one because it is hung.
>
> Works for me using kde 2.1 beta
>
> > You can open other programs and run them but when you try to logout of
> > kde it is hung and it's kill the xserver time.
>
> Nope. Not here. In fact it's a hell of a lot more stable and than win98
> (prettier too :)
>
> > Wheel mouse worked fine until I tried Gnome instead of kde and it (the
> > wheel) never worked again after that. Re-installing via DrakConf
> > didn't help.
>
> No comment as I don't have a wheel mouse.
>
> > Use the Fontmanager to find my Windows TT Fonts, which it does, but
> > they never show up in any of the menues to be selected. SO where are
> > they and how do I use them?
>
> Mine work fine. Is your TrueType directory in your FontPath in
> /etc/X11/XF86config? (or XF86config-4)
>
> > Setting up an account in Gnome Dialer doesn't work. When you hit OK
> > button after inputting all the data it just goes back to a blank, like
> > when you started. Real nice applet that one is.
>
> Sorry, wouldn't know as I'm using dhcp. When I did have a modem I used
> a program called ezPPP which worked really well.
>
> > Selecting "Help" in just about any program brings up that totally
> > useless generic KDE help (How to move a mouse etc), or a message that
> > help hasn't been written yet. Doesn't surprise me seeing as half of
> > kde hasn't been written yet. It looks and acts like a toy and is very
> > unstable.
>
> Bringing up help here usually brings up something helpful here.
>
> > Menues between the various window managers don't have the same
> > selections in them.
>
> I consider this a good thing as I can setup different working
> environments.
>
> > For example:DrakConf is missing from Enlightenment. So where did they
> > go?
>
> Beats me since I'm not using mandrake.
>
> > Speaking of Enlightenment (pretty nice BTW), once you run it all of
> > your menues in kde and Gnome get screwed up. Totally out to lunch
> > unless you wish to rebuild all of your menus.
> >
> > Printing doesn't work with StarOffice and CUPS.
>
> Printing works here in SO with or without CUPS (HP laserjet 5L and Epson
> Stylus Photo 700).
>
> > Trying to change the fonts under Gnome Terminal is an exercise in
> > confusion. Couldn't they just have a selection "big, larger,huge like
> > kde does instead of telling me every fsking detail about the font
> > except what type it is (tty etc).
>
> Yah, it's confusing for about, oh, 10 seconds or so.
>
> > XFree 4.x kills the WheelMouse. Never works even with imwheel.
>
> Sorry, don't have a wheelmouse.
>
> > My Matrox G400 with 16 meg is identified as a 4 meg card. No way to
> > change it because Linux insists it has 4 meg.
>
> My Geforce256 32 Meg card always has the proper video ram detected
> (XFree 3.3.6, XFree4.0, XFree4.0.1, XFree4.0.1-pre2RC4).
>
> Of course you could always add "VideoRam 16384" under "Section "Device""
> in your /etc/X11/XF86Config.
>
> > Not to mention none of my USB devices work.
>
> USB works fine here (2.4.0test7)
>
> > Add to this that Netscape looks like crap no matter what font is
> > chosen.
>
> Odd. Looks fine here with my two favorite fonts: helvetica and verdana
> (although I prefer Konqueror).
>
> > StarOffice takes an eternity to load and doesn't import correctly from
> > Word for Mac, which even Wordperfect for WIndows does fine.
>
> Really odd. I use Word for Mac (as part of MS Office 98) at work and
> it's never failed to import properly into Staroffice. or vice versa.
> This includes tables, headers, and other formatting.
>
> > MusicMatch Jukebox is a half assed, bloated (13meg) pig that runs like
> > molasses under Wino.
>
> I agree. I stopped using it after about 5min of pain. I like XMMS but
> there is also freeamp, gqmpeg, apollo, grip, etc.
>
> > Typical of Linux programs, it is a generation behind the Windows
> > version.
>
> It's a windows port running under wine. I prefer XMMS over anything in
> windows. My mp3s never skip even when copying large directories ( >
> 1gig) or burning CDs or doing anything else.
>
> > I did like knode though and that application has promise.
>
> I do too but I prefer SLRN.
>
> > DrakConf is pretty nice as well.
>
> Wouldn't know as I haven't used Mandrake 7.2 (last version I used was
> Mandrake 7.2beta)
>
> > Konquerer doesn't manage certificates well and has an annoying pause
> > in it every time you click on a link. The gears pause for a second
> > before the thing starts going. Very annoying.
>
> Haven't had this problem. In fact, Konqueror is speedier for me than IE
> 5.5. It also doesn't have the annoying habit of stealing window focus at
> odd times.
>
> > It is also much slower than IE 5.5 at loading pages from the sites I
> > frequent.
>
> Not here it's not.
>
> > And on and on and on....
>
> You have a really screwed up setup.
>
> > Free or not, one has to wonder if anyone test's these things before
> > they ship this garbage.
>
> One has to wonder how many times you need to install linux to be able to
> produce this many problems.
>
> > So tell me again, why should I switch from Windows 2000 to Linux?
>
> Don't.
>
> > Why should anyone switch?
>
> Because it's a very productive and efficient OS (depending on your
> needs).
>
> > Is there a compelling reason?
>
> Too many to list.
>
> > Surely just looking at the painful boxy fonts of Linux is enough to
> > make one run back to Windows.
>
> Fonts look great here (Samsung 900NF, 1280x1024 with GeForce256).
>
> > The way I see it I would be taking a huge step backwards all for the
> > joy of running Linux.
>
> Then don't.
>
> > Nothing much has changed in 2 years from a UI point of view.
>
> Neither have your trolls Steve/Heather/Keys88/Swango/Flatfish etc.
>
> You know, if you spent half as much time RTFM as you do trolling you
> would be a linux guru by now instead of the perpetual newbie. Also,
> instead of reinstalling linux distributions over and over again you may
> want to consider tweaking your current setup. This would probably be a
> lot more productive but would probably deprive you of tons of trolling
> material.
>
> --
> yatima
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:43:56 GMT
What USER INTERFACE?
That's two words that "The Community" insists is blasphmany.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> For lack of anything else to do I decided to go cold turkey and run
> Linux exclusively for one day and see how it measured up for general
> use. No games, no financial packages or Windows only programs, just
> general surfing and letter writing and so forth. The idea was to try
> the different gui's, programs and so forth for an entire day and see
> how Linux compares to Windows 2k.
>
> I have Mandrake 7.2 already set up and running, as best as it can for
> Linux that is.
>
> First off, this version of Linux is anything but stable and that is a
> fact. Here are a few bugs:
>
> Open a terminal window under kde and that's the end of it. You can
> never open another one because it is hung. You can open other programs
> and run them but when you try to logout of kde it is hung and it's
> kill the xserver time.
>
> Wheel mouse worked fine until I tried Gnome instead of kde and it (the
> wheel) never worked again after that. Re-installing via DrakConf
> didn't help.
>
> Use the Fontmanager to find my Windows TT Fonts, which it does, but
> they never show up in any of the menues to be selected. SO where are
> they and how do I use them?
>
> Setting up an account in Gnome Dialer doesn't work. When you hit OK
> button after inputting all the data it just goes back to a blank, like
> when you started. Real nice applet that one is.
>
> Selecting "Help" in just about any program brings up that totally
> useless generic KDE help (How to move a mouse etc), or a message that
> help hasn't been written yet. Doesn't surprise me seeing as half of
> kde hasn't been written yet. It looks and acts like a toy and is very
> unstable.
>
> Menues between the various window managers don't have the same
> selections in them. For example:DrakConf is missing from
> Enlightenment. So where did they go?
>
> Speaking of Enlightenment (pretty nice BTW), once you run it all of
> your menues in kde and Gnome get screwed up. Totally out to lunch
> unless you wish to rebuild all of your menus.
>
> Printing doesn't work with StarOffice and CUPS.
>
> Trying to change the fonts under Gnome Terminal is an exercise in
> confusion. Couldn't they just have a selection "big, larger,huge like
> kde does instead of telling me every fsking detail about the font
> except what type it is (tty etc).
>
> XFree 4.x kills the WheelMouse. Never works even with imwheel.
>
> My Matrox G400 with 16 meg is identified as a 4 meg card. No way to
> change it because Linux insists it has 4 meg.
>
> Not to mention none of my USB devices work.
>
> Add to this that Netscape looks like crap no matter what font is
> chosen. StarOffice takes an eternity to load and doesn't import
> correctly from Word for Mac, which even Wordperfect for WIndows does
> fine.
>
> MusicMatch Jukebox is a half assed, bloated (13meg) pig that runs like
> molasses under Wino.
>
> Typical of Linux programs, it is a generation behind the Windows
> version.
>
> I did like knode though and that application has promise.
>
> DrakConf is pretty nice as well.
>
> Konquerer doesn't manage certificates well and has an annoying pause
> in it every time you click on a link. The gears pause for a second
> before the thing starts going. Very annoying. It is also much slower
> than IE 5.5 at loading pages from the sites I frequent.
>
> And on and on and on....
>
> Free or not, one has to wonder if anyone test's these things before
> they ship this garbage.
>
> So tell me again, why should I switch from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why
> should anyone switch? Is there a compelling reason? Surely just
> looking at the painful boxy fonts of Linux is enough to make one run
> back to Windows. The way I see it I would be taking a huge step
> backwards all for the joy of running Linux.
>
> Nothing much has changed in 2 years from a UI point of view.
>
>
>
>
>
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