Linux-Advocacy Digest #85, Volume #30 Mon, 6 Nov 00 12:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Why don't I use Linux? (Andres Soolo)
Re: Linux and Mac instead of Windows. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Linux is great ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I think I'm in love..... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More Certification ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Seán Ó Donnchadha)
Re: More Certification ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More Certification ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: More Certification ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why don't I use Linux?
Date: 6 Nov 2000 16:06:59 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It's there to see: go look at 2.4.0-testX. You can see it woth your own
>>eres. Therefore it's not vapourware.
> Where's V2.4. The FINAL NON BETA NON TEST version. Is it there yet? Nope.
> Therefore it's vapourware.
That point needs clarifying.
It is not vapourware. No one is trying to sell you something that there
is not. You can always go and look exactly what is ready for just that
time, not like "We're almost there"--and so for the last three years.
>>LaTeX beats the hell out or word on many, many counts.
> Ah yes let's go back to stone age computing shall we?
Uh ... that's a pretty rhetorical question ... but what has that to do
with LaTeX?
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait.
[If youth but knew, if old age but could.]
-- Henri Estienne
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Mac instead of Windows.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:16:12 GMT
On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:01:49 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Where is the compettion for Lotus Notes on Linux? Client version that
>> is not some Domino server.
>
>Notes itself: http://notes.net/linux
You didn't read my message.
Client.
>> In fact where is ANY groupware for Linux?
>>
>> claire
>
>A search on freshmeat.net pops up a list of 26 right
>off the bat, including the above Lotus notes and
>several web based solutions. Some loose collaboration
>can be done with a web bbs and a mailing list manager
>which are all over the place.
And who is using them?
I see Notes used in quite a lot of places.
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:21:30 GMT
Using the correct printer cable and ECP+EPP BIOS settings, the printer
just seems to print faster with USB. Not that the head moves any
faster or the paper or anything, but from the time you hit print, to
the time it spools and actually finishes printing, USB is faster.
I think the Bi-directional stuff is only to report status like ink
level etc.
It's a small, but, noticable difference.
The much smaller cable is another plus.
claire
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:33:18 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:43:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >It's got both. Prints faster on the USB port though, at least on my
>> >system.
>>
>> That's interesting considering that the maxmimum theoretical
>> bandwidth that a USB printer might have is only marginally
>> more than the dedicated parallel connection would have. Plus,
>> the parallel connection doesn't have any management overhead.
>>
>> Once there's another non-trivial device on that USB chain, the
>> printer is going to have less bandwidth.
>
>Lots of bios settings default to the old slow unidirectional mode
>for backwards compatibility. If you have a modern printer you
>can use the epp/bi-directional settings and an IEEE 1284 cable
>for a speedup.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I think I'm in love.....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:27:12 GMT
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:10:20 GMT, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I think it means it can't find anything that it can boot. It is curious
>that after booting Windows 98 SE, I lose the Linux boot. Maybe System
>Commander or Windows 98 SE are crippling it somehow.
"Booting" Windows 98SE shouldn't do anything to Norton, because I use
Bootmagic and at one time had Win98SE / Mandrake / and Linux all
working fine.
Maybe Norton works differently?
"Installing" Win98 AFTER Bootmagic and the other osen were already in
place. blew away the Bootmagic signature and mbr though.
Win2000 respected the other osen and just added it's own boot.ini to
the Windows selection in BootMagic (ie:selcet Windows and you get
another menu asking for Windows 98 or Win2k), Linux was left alone.
claire
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:26:52 -0500
VanPopering wrote:
>
> > I'm not a big advocate of certification. If you've got extra money that
> > you want to throw away on classes, then get your ass into college. A
> > degree doesn't expire, it can't be arbitrarily withdrawn by a vendor,
> > and it will qualify you for far more positions than a certification.
>
> college is a waste of time as far as computer go. go look at the computer
> sci. list. All the computer classes required - Great. but the prerequisites
> you have to take before them (all the math, calculus, etc) has ABSOLUTELY
> NOTHING to do with computers, networking, etc. THAT is a waste of time and
> money. I've asked many Unix/Linux sys admin and in every case they agreed.
> In a certification study on my own, Im spending 100% of my time learning
> what I came there for. Not taking Gym, Art, or Trig.
Of course, if you're talking to Unix/Linux admins who've never taken any
comp sci or computer systems engineering, then OF COURSE they are going to
tell you that the only thing that's important is certification.
However...having studied computer systems engineering, I have never even
had the slightest need for certification. Why? Because the CSE curriculum
covered every aspect of computing in so much depth, that I have more
understanding of how systems work than even those with "advanced"
certification credentials (like, Sun's "Advanced Solaris Admin" course).
Why? Because the certification courses pretty much only test your knowledge
of command lines. They don't test the deeper issues, like identifying
bottlenecks, etc. Things that have no set procedure, but are very very
clear issues for anybody with a COMPREHENSIVE computer science or
computer systems engineering background.
>
> Certification is a very good thing. Separates the big-mouth-know-it-alls
> (who don't), from the people who really know their stuff.
Certification is an OK thing.
It seperates the big-mouth know-nothings from the people who are adequate.
I have yet to see any certification course that seperatesd "those who
really know their stuff" from everyone else.
I've taken a couple of on-line cert. tests as a requisite for a contract.
I breezed through the test. The recruiter said I got the highest score
he had ever seen. Frankly, somebody with only half of my understanding
could have aced the test as well.
Thus, the test FAILS to identify those who "really know their stuff",
because people even better than me, and people who are less knowledgeable
all would get the same 50/50 on this test.
Certification tests merely demonstrate that you are proficient in
the isolated quirks of one vendor's product.
Big fucking deal.
In the long run, What REALLY matters is---what do you do when you have
to push the system into "unexplored" territory....those situations for
which there is no set solution. So far, there is NO vendor's certification
test that's going to touch that....because doing so brings up the very
ugly subject of the product's current limitations.
No..it's MUCH better to have a comprehensive university education, where
you learn HOW CPU's work....What garbage collection is, and why it's needed,
what the object code that is run on a cpu ACTUALLY looks like.
When you have elusive bugs...there is NO certification course that will
prepare you for these sorts of things....maybe the kernel needs to be
tuned...maybe you just need more memory...or maybe you need to get whoever
writes the application (in-house or 3rd party) to come in and take a look
at it.
College profs are free to talk about problems and bugs. Vendors, on
the other hand, have a reluctance to discuss these things.
Lastly, without a comprehensive education, certification courses get
you tied to ONE PRODUCT of one vendor. WHEN (not if) that product
becomes obsolete...you're stuck having to pay for another certification
course. Do that a couple times, and you've paid for 4 years of a
top-notch state university....and you STILL don't have the education
needed for trouble-shooting that your university-educated competition has.
> Ah but then those who oppose certification because they claim their real
> world experience is better and all they need - why not go get it and
> prove it? take the tests, get certified. Hell, they wouldn't even have
> to study I bet.
Neither certification nor on-the-job training come close to the benefits
of a GOOD university education.
Certification courses and OJT are too narrowly focused on specific
products from specific vendors.
What's better? A GM mechanic's course + certification, that teaches you
only what to do according to the diagnostic codes from a GM engine-control
computer...or a general internal-combustion engine course, that teaches you
"universal truths" that apply to ALL engines, with specific glimpses at
various subsystems by various automakers....thus giving you a comprehensive
(it not 100% complete) understanding of all internal combustion engines.
>
>
> Anyway, I wasn't looking to get into this, all I asked was a simple
> question on whether LPI or Sair was the way to go. Based on an overwhelming
> response, it seems that LPI is the way to go and not Sair.
The best way to go is to get yourself into a good 4-year computer systems
engineering course.
>
> -David
> ______________________________________________________________________
> David van Popering An analysis of the hacker culture reveals
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] it as a 'gift culture' in which participants
> Running Linux compete for prestige by giving time, energy,
> Slackware & Debian and creativity away -Eric S. Raymond
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:30:04 -0500
"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Now that computing is astoundingly inexpensive and computers inhabit
>every part of our lives, we stand at the brink of another revolution. This
>one will involve unprecedentedly inexpensive communication; all the
>computers will join together to communicate with us and for us.
>Interconnected globally, they will form a network, which is being called the
>information highway. A direct precursor is the present Internet, which is a
>group of computers joined and exchanging information using current
>technology."
> "The reach and use of the new network, its promise and perils, is the
>subject of this book."
>
>Apparently, Gates didn't realize that the Internet *IS* the information
>highway.
>
Yep, this would be consistent with the account of a veteran MS
engineer in a book he co-wrote called _Barbarians_Led_By_Bill_Gates_.
>
>But as was said earlier in this thread, that's most likely because
>Microsoft had nothing to do with it.
>
I think you're wrong here. Based on what I gathered from the book
mentioned above, MS was looking beyond the Internet because (at that
time) it made a terrible platform for realtime interactive digital
media, which is what MS thought the information highway was all about.
In fact, MS internally called the Internet "low bandwidth". They
totally failed to foresee the impact of e-commerce, which is what made
the Internet take off despite its general crappiness in terms of QoS.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:37:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <tLWM5.12994$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "VanPopering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:rJUM5.2520$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > I'm not a big advocate of certification. If you've got extra money that
> >> > you want to throw away on classes, then get your ass into college. A
> >> > degree doesn't expire, it can't be arbitrarily withdrawn by a vendor,
> >> > and it will qualify you for far more positions than a certification.
> >>
> >> college is a waste of time as far as computer go. go look at the computer
> > sci. list. All the computer classes
> >> required - Great. but the prerequisites you have to take before them (all
> > the math, calculus, etc) has ABSOLUTELY
> >> NOTHING to do with computers, networking, etc. THAT is a waste of time
> > and money.
> >
> > I don't consider learning the basic techniques of thinking to be a waste.
> > One of the things you need most in a technical vocation is the ability to
> > solve what appears to be a new problem and this is a skill that develops
> > independently of the thing you are studying.
>
> I couldn't agree more. I have found that people who have studied
> science or engineering at university often become very good software
> engineers. What I do find surprising is that people who have studied
> computer science often don't become good software engineers. Of course
That's because engineering profs teach their students to USE what you
have available...whatever it is, no matter how meager...whereas the
comp sci. profs tend to spend a lot of time giving their students
problem that lie at the extremes: the insanely trivial, or based on
resource availability that hopelessly out of reach for anything that
isn't a wartime defense project.
I had one CS course, where we were studying assembly language and
microprogramming, (which I had already done over in the EE department),
who insisted in using the CPU Opcode Register as a memory data buffer,
because the text-book we were using (which was meant for VAX assembly
language programming, NOT re-microprogramming a VAX) didn't show a
memory data buffer.
So, we were going, step by step, through how an instruction is executed,
and after reading the opcode, we start to read in the operands...so,
I say, 'Well, with *THIS* architecture....we just lost our opcode...so,
once we have the operands....we're screwed, because we don't know if we're
doing an ADDW or an ADDB or a MOVL or a GOSUB or what.....
She just *glared* at me for pointing out that her refusal to include
the extra registers (which are invisable at the assembly language level)
needed at the microcode level was making a big mess of the entire
explanation of how microcode is ACTUALLY coded in the real world.
> these are not hard facts, just my general impression. One of the best
> software engineer's I ever worked with had a degree in music!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:39:17 GMT
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:51:07 -0500, "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is rich..
>
>> > Let's avoid getting into a pissing war about applications. Lets talk
>> > about real serious (technical) limitations or problems with Linux.
>
>We really can't address the main problems if we're not going to include
>applications, now, can we Sir?
That's going to be a very short discussion :)
The Linux supporters like to talk operating systems. The rest of the
earth like to use applications.
claire
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:38:29 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:gu92u8.4vl.ln@gd2zzx...
> > In article <tLWM5.12994$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I don't consider learning the basic techniques of thinking to be a
> waste.
> > > One of the things you need most in a technical vocation is the ability
> to
> > > solve what appears to be a new problem and this is a skill that develops
> > > independently of the thing you are studying.
> >
> > I couldn't agree more. I have found that people who have studied
> > science or engineering at university often become very good software
> > engineers. What I do find surprising is that people who have studied
> > computer science often don't become good software engineers. Of course
> > these are not hard facts, just my general impression. One of the best
> > software engineer's I ever worked with had a degree in music!
>
> I don't think that is unusual at all. There seems to be some elusive
> connection between software, music and motorcycles that no one
> can precisely pin down.
It's simple. The personality/temperment combination is very similar
across all three.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:39:38 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <LG7N5.13155$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:gu92u8.4vl.ln@gd2zzx...
> >> In article <tLWM5.12994$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> > I don't consider learning the basic techniques of thinking to be a
> > waste.
> >> > One of the things you need most in a technical vocation is the ability
> > to
> >> > solve what appears to be a new problem and this is a skill that develops
> >> > independently of the thing you are studying.
> >>
> >> I couldn't agree more. I have found that people who have studied
> >> science or engineering at university often become very good software
> >> engineers. What I do find surprising is that people who have studied
> >> computer science often don't become good software engineers. Of course
> >> these are not hard facts, just my general impression. One of the best
> >> software engineer's I ever worked with had a degree in music!
> >
> > I don't think that is unusual at all. There seems to be some elusive
> > connection between software, music and motorcycles that no one
> > can precisely pin down.
>
> Very true. The music of the spheres and all that.
>
> I still don't know why those who study computer science at univesity
> tend not to be good software engineers in the real world.
Because computer science profs refuse to deal with the real world
like electrical engineering profs INSIST upon.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 6 Nov 2000 10:41:36 -0600
"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u6ef5$7md$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3a04b23b$0$63697$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:00110216303401.02705@pc03...
> >
> > > > and there is still a long way to go on several other aspects.
> > >
> > > Such as? Just curious.
> >
> > Well, to make a long story short, all unixes taken together certainly
> do all
> > what NT does and maybe more. But no single implementation has it all
> out of
> > the box and you certainly know that.
>
> Can you be a bit specific?
No. This kind of argument could take forever. Just take filesystems, for
example. NTFS has features found in many other filesystems, like ext3, JFS
and XFS, but no single filesystem does all what NTFS does. Also, some of the
most capable filessystems (like JFS) are not yet available on all Unixes,
others are still under developement. If you want specific details, NTFS is
documented on the Microsoft web site. By the way, what is the maximum
partition size limit on Linux, and what is the maximum file size on 32bit
hardware?
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 6 Nov 2000 10:43:35 -0600
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u4jgi$lt8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:8tqq20$bbm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> That's what Linux does. It's had it for a while now. I don't know
> :> enough details of the other Unixen to know if they do it too. I first
> :> heard about copy-on-write in the kernel about 3-4 years ago, if memory
> :> serves me right.
>
> : Great. One more thing where NT is on par with the cutting edge Unix
> : implementations.
>
> Actually, this is an area where Linux was behind the times in
> comparasin to commercial Unixen. copy-on-write is very old within
> the Unix world. This isn't an area where NT was *on par* with cutting
> edge Unix technology - this is an area where both NT and Linux were
> behind the cutting-edge Unix technology.
NT had copy-on-write since day one so it was actually on par.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:46:40 -0500
Chip Anderson wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Salvador Peralta) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> --snip--
> >This meant that he had to manipulate a month's worth of log data 30 text
> >files totalling about 600 megs on his new win2000 workstation. Like
> >most winAdmins, he opened up wordpad and tried to cut and past the files
> >into a single document. Due to memory limitations of the product, he
> >couldn't get more than 1/3rd of the data into any winDocument including
> >word.
> >
> --snip--
>
> The Admin was simply an idiot.
MICROSOFT Admin....therefore, that he's an idiot goes without saying.
I mean...really, if there wasn't a button to click....
> He could have catenated the files using
> the copy command. Next he could have hacked out a QBASIC program to
> remove any unwanted lines. Make a batch file and run it once a month.
Microsoft Admins don't know how to do anything beyond clicking the mouse.
>
> The failing was in the Admin, not his tools.
>
> Chip
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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