Linux-Advocacy Digest #85, Volume #34 Tue, 1 May 01 08:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again. ("billh")
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars. ("billh")
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
("billh")
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Baseball (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux = CHOICE! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
("billh")
Linux advocacy tip #1 (Star Office and ODBC) (mlw)
Re: Primary and secondary missions (Scott Erb)
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
("billh")
Re: Mouse wheel (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: Baseball (Ed Allen)
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:17:18 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> You said you don't wear a uniform, LIAR.
Your proof? You are best advised to ensure whether I did or not when I
posted, wannabe. You're just too easy, "war-hero".
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.military.folklore,misc.survivalism
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:18:42 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> Are you seriously claiming that the F-111 is not a bomber and electronic
> warfare platform?
And do you still claim class 2 supplies are food, wannabe? LOL!!!
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:20:31 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > That which supports strategic goals as opposed to tactical goals.
> >
> > LOL!!! You've out done yourself, wannabe.
>
>
> Then, Bill, I'm sure you can provide us with a better concise
> definition of "strategic," right, asshole.
I can give you the proper definition. Something you've failed at yet again.
Tell us, KuKuNut, do you even know where to get the proper definition?
Please tell us your source.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:38:56 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> While Win2k was very slow out of the starting gate, support and
> interest in this OS has been building steadily for the past year or so
> and in anticipation of XP people are now taking a second look at
> Win2k.
Microsoft are rumoured to be sneaking their product activation key onto
Windows 2000 as well as XP. That's enough to make me reconsider Windows
2000 (or any updates!).
> In the DAW world the WDM drivers have reduced the Sound Card latency
> to 2ms or less which allows real time input monitoring including
> effects etc.
Creative are considering a 'direct interface' bypassing the DirectSound
style interface to audio drivers reducing the latency even further.
> In fact in the area of multimedia, Linux has absolutely ZERO to offer.
It would seem that trying to play MPG files on Linux leaves a lot to be
desired.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:44:58 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Perhaps your overqualified to play with Linux Pete ;-)
I think maybe I am. It's hard to think down to that level.
8)
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:28:47 GMT
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> > There is some merit in what you say... most people are users, not
> > computer hobbyists.
> >
> Also alot of people want to use the same OS as they do in the workplace.
> Linux has to get from the backrooms to the desktop in business' before they
> will see some growth in the desktop market. About 90% of the people I know
> bought a computer with windows because they used it at work.
Assuming they were too unfamiliar with Linux (or the other "free" OS's)
to be comfortable moving to it (or them), and assuming they didn't want
to pay for a Mac, what were their other choices? Amiga? Atari?
DR-DOS? No, they can choose only which kind of Windows they want on
their Intel/AMD machine.
> I know of ONE mom and pop shop around here that supports Linux and the
> others are looking into it.
That's cool!
> Unlike him, I have been around advocacy for a long time, and there really
> hasn't been a convicing case on the merits of Linux, other than it not MS.
Wow, maybe I need to write a long missive about why I'm using it and why
I prefer it far and away to even Windows 2000 Pro. Oh, wait, here's one
already written, around 1998, so it's a little old, dated, but still cogent
today. If you look around, you can find a lot of convincing cases.
http://linux.oreilly.com/news/why_linux_0498.html
However, the most convincing case is to learn to use it yourself.
You will wonder then why you ever thought of Windows as a geek tool.
> > We don't want or need to convince you, as you generally come
> > across as playing the troll game.
> >
> Your playing the same game, you realize by crossposting the message....
You mean that, by accepting the list of newsgroup targets without
editing it, I'm crossposting? No, it's no game.... I'm trying
to answer a number of small points rationally.
> > Except stopping your cycle of upgrade costs. Assume you pay for
> > your Microsoft software in the first place, which is a fairly
> > big assumption today.
> >
> The problem is MS isn't driving the upgrades, games make people upgrade
> their computer more often than an OS. I could have stuck with Win95 and
> Office 95 and been complete happy. Though I wouldn't not have had the
> ability to play any of the games I currently play.
I don't play games with computers very often (Solitaire and XBill are
more than enough for me <grin>). Because of the needs of
Windows 3.1/95/98/NT 4/2000 (yeah, I bought 'em all), I've had
to upgrade from 32 Mb, to 64 Mb, to 96 Mb, to 128 Mb, and with
98 and 2000, 128 Mb is /still/ not enough. Don't give me that crap
about the OS not driving the upgrades.
And disk space for the OS, wow! (Linux is even bigger if you want
to have all the great tools out there.)
> Most users are patient, you have to be, a slow computer, a unstable
> system, and all the rest. Even my friend who has a 1GHz computer, wishes
> he had gotten the 1.5 GHz.
With Linux, I find my P II 400 performs quite adequately.
> > Of course we can guess. You've shown your agenda often enough.
> >
> You have shown your also.....
Good comeback <grin>.
Chris
--
Free the Software!
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:51:57 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > In my experience, it is nearly impossible to move a hard drive with
> > Windows 98 (any version) from one mobo/machine to another. For some
> > unknown reason, it appears that Windows treats each machine like it has
> > taken its "finger prints", and will not relent until re-installed and a
> > new set of "finger prints" is developed. (Side note: perhaps XP is just
> > further expansion on this factor.) My neighbor is setting up a 950mhz
> > noname for a friend of his and is going through that same goatrope as I
> > type this message. Yes, there were plenty of "install new hardware"
> > screens, and after the three reboots and one lockup, the PC is now at a
> > "dead end".
Mine worked.
> You won't regret it, and Ive swapped many hdd's between diferent mobos
> and different versions of Linux, and have *never* had the problem,I described
> above in your quotations re 1998.
Ah, but while Linux could swap mobo and CPU with ease, is it the same
story when I swapped sound card? No! I had to _manually_ intervene as
SuSE haven't learnt to do it correctly yet.
> I dont know the mechanism that makes Windows do this, (my ver was Win95, not
> Win98 as I typed above), but I suspect its not benign.
Mine worked.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux = CHOICE!
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:56:30 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> |Why? Why shouldn't I be paid for the fruit of my labours? How am I supposed
> |to eat if I do not receive money for what I've created? Become a
> |free-loader and sponge of the rest of society?
>
> You feel you have a right to be paid for crap products?
>
> I have no objection to you being paid for the fruits of your labours,
> and I don't think the original author does either, as long as those
> fruits are of good quality.
I think the original author is lumping crap products and paying for them
in the same basket.
--
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Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:53:57 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> And for the last time... PageMaker under Windows DOES THE EXACT SAME
> THING.
I wouldn't know, I don't have PageMaker for Windows. I use Word,
PaintShop Pro, and Xara X. They all do the "right thing" as far as the
printer is concerned.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:40:09 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > As an off-the cuff guide:
> > > Anything which is beyond the scope of mere corps commanders.
> > >
> > > If the whole thing can be handled by a corp sommander (or his
counterpart
> > > in the air force ranks), then it's operational or tactical.
> > >
> > > If it goes outside corps commmand is strategic.
> > >
> > > Again, no definition of these things is 100% absolute.
> > >
> >
> > You don't know the doctrinal definition, huh, KuKuNut? Is that what you
> > mean by "Again, no definition of these things is 100% absolute."? If
not,
> > then let's hear the doctrinal definition, though I seriously doubt you'd
> > even know where to go to get it.
>
>
> In WW2, a german general made the following observation:
> "The difficulty with fighting the Americans is that their officers
> refuse to follow their own doctrine"
Why didn't you answer the question, "war-hero" wannabe? We'll take it this
means that you don't know the answer and will continue to use the wannabe's
"off-the cuff guide'.
That's your problem, Kulkis, every thing you post about the military is "off
the cuff". It's why you are mostly wrong. Your classics of "class 2 food",
"strategic road marches", "calling friendly arty in a near ambush
engagement area executed by friendlies", "C130 a strategic airlift
platform", "the M14 is shorter than the M1 garand", "the 17 round magazine
for the single stack M1911A1" .
You continual talk out of your ass when you know little or nothing about the
subject at hand. When you are stupid enough to do that on uma you are
called on it. Sucks, doesn't it, "war-hero"? An intelligent man would have
figured this out by now and quit answering "off the cuff".
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux advocacy tip #1 (Star Office and ODBC)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:52:58 -0400
How to enable ODBC in StarOffice
Well, after a little looking around and a few good guesses, I figured out how
to get ODBC working in Star Office:
Download unixODBC
http://www.unixodbc.org
(Follow instructions for build)
If Star Office is not installed, install it. I usually install as:
./setup /net
(This gives you a shared install)
I chose /opt/office52 as the target directory.
in make sure the odbc directory in in /etc/ld.so.conf
symlink libodbc.so from the unixODBC installed lib directory (default
/usr/local/lib/libodbc.so) to StarOffice's plugin directory, mine was:
/opt/office52/user/plugin
Using ODBCConfig, add your database from the shared libraries installed by
unixODBC.
As yourself (not su) add your data source.
Make sure star office is installed in your account.
(/opt/office52/program/setup)
Run star office, right click on the star office desktop, and select new
database. Under the type tab, chose ODBC.
It should work.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Primary and secondary missions
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:49:06 GMT
Victor Pavski wrote:
> In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Scott D. Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Social darwinism is really speculative, simplistic, and lends itself to
> > misuse and misinterpretation. I have not seen any reason to take social
> > darwinist arguments seriously.
>
> Except that people of a neo-conservative social darwinian bent are now
> ensconsed in the White House for at least the next four years. God knows
> what mischief they might try, at home and abroad.
>
> Bush (the current and his daddy) all seemed to read straight out of
> Francis The Talking Fukuyama's fanwank, "The End of History and the Last
> Man", that classical liberalism (neoliberalism; neoconservatism) has
> "inevitably" trumped communism, socialism, and even democracy. All that
> is left is for government to get out of the way and let the invisible hand
> work it's magic, with private charity taking care of the less fortunate
> (1,000 Points of Light, America's Promise, Compassionate Fascism). Back
> to Charles Dickens' Utopia.
>
> Nice deal if you're a rich dude, being paid by the Goverment, to come up
> with rational to privatize the Government.
>
> Vic
Watching George the Younger I get the feeling I'm watching a figure head --
the decisions are being made elsewhere. At least with George the Elder and
even Reagan there was a sense that the President knew that the big money
interests around him took things too far, and he wouldn't give them all they
want. George the Younger's job seems to be to try to put a smiling likable
face on one of the biggest policy shifts in favor of big money in recent
history, bigger than Reagan's if he can pull it off.
I suspect he'll end up failing. But yeah, they've got power now...
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:51:00 GMT
"Gunner ©"
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >> Ok..so please indicate exactly what you think is meant by the term
> >> "strategic"
> >
> >As an off-the cuff guide:
> >Anything which is beyond the scope of mere corps commanders.
> >
> >If the whole thing can be handled by a corp sommander (or his counterpart
> >in the air force ranks), then it's operational or tactical.
> >
> >If it goes outside corps commmand is strategic.
> >
> >Again, no definition of these things is 100% absolute.
> >
> Thats sorta what I thought. Thanks for the definition. Then the cites I
> provided above..still hold true.
>
Kulkis is full of shit and answers everything "off the cuff". He's a
wannabe who pretends he knows what he's talking about.
>From CJCSM 3500.04, Universal Joint Task List, there are four levels:
Strategic National, Strategic Theater, Operational, and Tactical.
Strategic National is the execution of the National Military Strategy.
Strategic Theater is the execution of Theater and Campaign Strategy.
Operational is the is the execution of Subordinate Campaigns and Major
Operations. Tactical is the execution of Battles and Engagements.
You be well advised for taking any military information Kulkis provides for
the shit it truly is.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mouse wheel
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:56:29 +1200
E. Carrillo wrote:
> I got a quick question, Is there a way to enable the mouse wheel to scroll
> the windows in KDE 2 or linux in general? I'm using a standard PS/2 mouse
> with a scrolling wheel and I really want to use it in linux. I got SuSe
> 7.1, if that's important to determine if the wheel will work or not.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
During the installation process of SuSE, it does not always ask what type
of mouse you have, as it assumes that it has already properly detected the
mouse. The thing to do it drop into command line (from the login screen
via the shutdown button), log in as "root" (with out the speech marks),
then run sax2, from there just follow the dialogues.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:56:21 GMT
"T. Max Devlin"
> >You've obviously never served, trained, or fought in any Army
>
> Look; if its violence, it isn't being a professional soldier, its being
> a thug. I have served, trained, and stood guard with the military
> (Navy), and I do know what I'm talking about.
Get on a night live fire range with an infantry company supported by
anti-tank, mortar, and arty. It is violence of the first order. To say it
is not, is simply naive and ignorant.
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Baseball
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 12:00:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:20:04
>>t. max fagass:
>>> Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:20:02
>>> >Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
>>> >> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > how many retailers sell linux machines again?
>>> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>>> >> >
>>> >> > p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
>>> >>
>>> >> Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
>>> >> free downloadable operating system.
>>> >
>>> >funny, i could have sworn i saw a bunch of nerdos whining about how
>>> >mean old microsoft was preventing retailers and vendors from selling
>>> >machines with linux preinstalled via those mean nasty monopolistic
>>> >agreements.
>>>
>>> Well, this is an 'abstraction error' on your part, hinging on the
>>> concept of 'prevent'. It is not a physical barrier, and therefore
>>> exceptions to its effects are not contradictory to its existence.
>>
>>all products face the problem of reaching the consumer.
>
>That is neither the definition nor a useful description of barriers to
>entry in a market, which, I will AGAIN point out, are not physical
>barriers, or distribution costs, or "problems of reaching the consumer".
>
>>if people wanted
>>linux they could get it. [...]
>
>All tautologies are true. That doesn't make the useful in describing
>the illegal activity of a monopolist. You DO realize monopolization is
>illegal, don't you?
>
He has already said that he wants the list of crimes left out of the
discussion in this thread.
He is the one who gets to say what is "compelling enough" to
constitute a reason for him and, by implication, millions of other
MS victims to leave their cocoons.
He is the second one in a month spouting these same phrases.
We are seeing the birth of the new generation of sock puppets.
Maybe Chad's handlers finally noticed that he was doing their
credibility more harm than good. I wonder if he can be recycled to
fit this new mold ?
--
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
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