Linux-Advocacy Digest #127, Volume #30 Wed, 8 Nov 00 21:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Directory Services for Linux (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ("kosh")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Andrew Suprun)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Glitch)
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Glitch)
Re: Konqueror a great web browser ("ostracus")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ("Javaduke")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Who says Linux is great? (Moderator)
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Directory Services for Linux
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:42:45 GMT
In article <J5XM5.45263$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jeff Turley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am currentley running a Novell Network at work.
> With the way things are currently going with Novell
> the issues of moving to a new server OS has started to come up.
Understandable.
> The 2 choices are win2000 or linux.
> I am currently leaning towards linux however,
> I need to have some kind of directory service
> running on my network.
Actually, Linux uses pluggable authentication modules for
authentication. One of the options is Lightweight Directory Access
Protocol (LDAP). There is also a basic LDAP server.
You can also enable LDAP on your Netware 5.0 servers which then
lets you use your current ACLs from Netware on Linux.
Many companies are using LDAP to tie their Linux security directly
to the Mainframe.
Using SAMBA, you can then Tie SMB security directly to the mainframe.
In addition, you can make the Linux box your NIS server and feed it
via LDAP and have the UNIX systems tied directly to RACF.
Finally, RACF has LDAP (Server) which means that the
entire enterprise can be synchronized to a single
Directory service.
> Does anyone here have experience with NDS for Linux?
This isn't necessarily a Linux-only feature. The core features are
in SAMBA and the LDAP hooks can be added to most UNIX systems.
> Or do you know of any other directory service that I could use.
Again, letting Linux function as you WNS server, you can also choose
NIS with it's netgroups functions.
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:50:28 +0200
For the most part, I agrees.
The problem is that Apple's actions, to take an example out of the blue, are
just as morally flawed, and it's not even being condemned about them.
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Why anyone would want to contribute to Microsofts domination of the
world
> > > is beyond me.
> >
> > Why would someone care who make the application as long as it works, is
> > beyond me.
>
> Well, because in our commercialised world the only way I can hope to make
> any kind of difference is by voting with my dollars, and encouraging
> others to do the same.
>
> I was treated rudely by an employee at a local store... when nothing was
> done about it, I informed the owner that I would never again visit his
> store, and I would be sure to pass on word of my bad experiences.
>
> A local ISP here treats its employees badly, and cares about it's
> customers even less... I will not do business with that company any
> more.
>
>
> MS are not competing fairly. They are a dirty underhanded company, and I
> consider it a matter of conscience to not fund them (intentionally) in
> any way.
>
>
> That's (another reason) why I don't like MS.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:55:27 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "At online auctioneer eBay Inc., a major Sun customer, the memory
problem
> > > initially resulted in one to two big-system crashes every month, says
> > > Maynard Webb, president of eBay Technologies."
> >
> > I can get better performance from an out-of-the-box NT.
>
> [ignoring the rest, since I don't use and have never used solaris]
>
> I don't think anyone can get better performance from out of the box NT.
> Out of the box NT is almost completely useless unless you customize it
> and tune it, as it should be with ANY server software. Serving is a
> tailored activity for each case... to suggest a server OS can be
> installed fresh off the CD and be running usefully for months is just
> bizarre.
>
> Oh, and months and months of endless service from NT SP1? Bwahahahaa =)
Okay, i was wildly off here, I was trying to make a point here.
A Solaris that crush twice a month? That *isn't* good.
A unix production machine that crash, that is... unheard of.
And now we know why.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:57:12 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > Of course not, you plug a unix box to the power, and it automatically
reads
> > your mind, configure itself according to your wishes, and make you
coffee,
> > all in the time ME boots.
>
> Give a look here, just for fun
>
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.microsoft.com&find_
site=GO
Microsoft.com being the second most viewed site in the world.
(What
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.bbc.co.uk&find_site
=GO
BBC.co.uk being the X most views site in the world?
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
>
> Drawing conclusions is left as an exercise to readers.
> An optional exercise is to compare knowledge of British Broadcasting
> Corporation employees of Sun Solaris, with Microsoft's employees
> knowledge of Windows system.
An optional exercise is to compare the load on British Broadcasting
Corporation site on Microsoft.com site.
I edited a list of the 100th most viewed sites in the world, microsoft was
second, I don't think that bbc.co.uk was even on this list.
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From: "kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:51:57 +0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Name calling, false accusations and likewise all because your God
> "Linux" proves itself once again not ready for the average user. It's
> incredible the way the damage control army goes on the offensive at the
> slightest hint that Linux may not be ready for average Joe, or Ted in
> this case.
>
<snip due to irrelevence to comments>
What bothers me is that you say you support linux or are trying to keep
an open mind but a number of us have given you some good suggestions and
asked some questions to try and help you and invariably you just ignore
us. You seem to just be trolling and not looking for real help. When you
are tired of trolling and want real help try responding to my questions
otherwise why do you bother? I honestly don't see why you keep posting
here.
Only responding to those that flame you for your comments is not
productive. You also know that will happen when you post just because of
the tone of your post. Thus the only thing I can assume is either you
have not used linux or you specifically try to sabotouge it to make
windows look better.
Next time you put linux on a box try mandrake 7.2 and use reiserfs.
Either way on all new systems should probably be done with reiserfs.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:59:23 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And my solution DEFINITELY uses notepad (or ME) for files with no
> extension.
ME?
> But perhaps I'm misunderstanding your issue... can you give me an example
> of what you mean?
I think that he wants the open with dialog to open for unknown file types,
as default.
(Doable, btw)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Suprun)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:06:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ayende Rahien) wrote in
<8ubtp8$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Microsoft: "MSDE doesn't limit the number of users who can connect to
>> its database, but it is optimized for five users. For a larger numbers
>> of users, you should use SQL Server 7.0."
>
>Not so.
>It's installed optimized for 5 users, there is nothing to prevent you
>from re-optimzing it to much larger numbers of users.
MS Access is open sourced already?
Andrew.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:06:28 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:47:26 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>that's true. So why doesn't Windows come with a bunch of games, office
>suites, text editors, administration tools (except maybe NT Server in
>this case)??? Linux distros have all these in one simple package, for a
>lower price than Windows 98 costs by itself.
Why should it?
Linux games? I would hardly call Asteroids or Tetris a show stopper.
Text editors? Notepad and Wordpad are fine for average folks.
Admin tools? Exactly what more does one need to do on a home system?
Office Suite? Windows users can D/L StarOffice too, but they are not.
Wonder why that is?
Cost? Linux is free and it is still being ignored by the home market.
claire
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:05:50 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Try hebrew (full & complete support throughout Win2K english version)
which
> > is a language commonly used among roughly 6 millions people in the
Middle
> > Easy.
> > It was on the news a lot lately, you might've seen it.
> > Hebrew is a hard language to work with on computers. (totally different
> > character set, and a different alignment of writing).
> [snip]
>
> http://samhain.cc.huji.ac.il/linux/hebrew.html
>
> Sorry for you, try with another language.
There is hebrew support for linux, never said that there isn't.
What I said is that it isn't even 1/5 as good as the one in windows.
It's... kludgy compare to the one in windows.
And the only support for hebrew across the web at the moment is visual
hebrew, which is a pain to write.
OTOH, it's a little easier to use hebrew in CLI in linux than in windows.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:53:08 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uco2l$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Roberto Teixeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>>>> "Chad" == Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Chad> NT _can_ run on almost any architecture, it just hasn't
> >> Chad> because of little demand.
> >> >> Yes, right...
> >>
> >> Chad> Do you question this?
> >>
> >> Yes. Show me your NT running in a Solaris, please.
>
> > I said "can", not does.
>
> > The NT architecture _can_ run on almost any arch.
>
> > In fact, MS had NT running on sparc internally at one point, but
> > never released it due to lack of demand.
>
> Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Lies, lies, lies.
>
> As usual, chad has the monopoly on both.
Um... sure, whatever. Do you deny that NT is platform independent?
-Chad
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:13:24 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:27:18 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This is a false expectation, margins are so low on Windows consumer
> >hardware, that products net very little money. That combined with the
> >fact that Linux users are genrally more computer literate than most
> >Windows users, means that support costs for Linux devices would be
> >lower, that added with the fact that there is little competition, means
> >that getting 10% of a Linux market, may be more profitable than 1% of
> >the Windows market.
>
> Huh?
>
> There isn't a product out on the market, excepting those written or
> manufactured for specific platforms (ie:Mac,Sun/Aix/MVS etc) that
> doesn't come with Windows drivers, The support for Linux devices is
> virtually none and in most cases it is an afterthought, if a thought
> at all.
>
> Take a look at Creative. They have Win2k drivers, but the Linux
> drivers are still half assed. There is Liveware and Playcenter for
> Win2k, but none for Linux.
>
> How about Lexmark?
>
> Sure their website mentions Linux drivers being available for "some"
> printer models. Now go and try and find them. Searching the website
> for "Linux" gives zero hits. Oh yea if you go into the complete list
> of printers you can wade through them and figure out which ones
> support Linux.
>
> Linux is an afterthought that comes along well after the Windows
> drivers are written, if at all.
>
> Imagine how many widgets a hardware manufacturer would sell if he
> released it to market and then told you inside the box, that the
> Windows drivers are still being written.
>
> Yet that is exactly what the Linux community puts up with every day.
> Wishing, hoping and praying that some pimple faced geek will write a
> driver for a particular piece of hardware.
>
> That is no way to operate.
>
> claire
>
so call the manufactuerer and tell them what u think of their R&D
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:10:11 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:02:13 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You're right - it's not the users fault. It was the fault of the person
>who installed Linux and supported the user. You should either installed
>reiserfs or made sure that a cron job ran to sync the file system on a
>regular basis.
Oh, so now I have to be a programmer type to install and run Linux?
So much for the home market.
So why doesn't SuSE do that? And how the hell am I supposed to know
that? More "How-To's" ? I have to assume that the folks at SuSE know
more about their operating system than I do. Why should I have to out
think them? Maybe you should talk to them about their inferior install
process
Your blowing hot air on this one Gary.
>You don't need to have root access to properly shut down Linux. You
>should have instructed him on the proper way to shut it down. You
>should also have instructed him on the extremely simple method of using
>fsck in the odd case that something happened. You did none of these
>things. So, of course, you blame Linux.
I showed him how to shutdown. What he does is not my fault. it's also
not his fault that the Linux filesystem is so fragile.
>Gary
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:09:32 +0200
"Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8MmO5.20966$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ayende Rahien) wrote in
> <8ubtp8$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >> Microsoft: "MSDE doesn't limit the number of users who can connect to
> >> its database, but it is optimized for five users. For a larger numbers
> >> of users, you should use SQL Server 7.0."
> >
> >Not so.
> >It's installed optimized for 5 users, there is nothing to prevent you
> >from re-optimzing it to much larger numbers of users.
>
> MS Access is open sourced already?
No, but what this has to do with optimizing an SQL Server?
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:58:00 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ucntj$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Besides, how many people actually run Linux on something other than x86?
> > Not very many. PPC or Alpha also-rans might be a distant second.
>
> Tons actually, but you wouldnt know, because you have exactly zero experience
> with UNIX in general, let along linux.
Sure, whatever. Please cite numbers.
Until then, considering the readily available x86 numbers for Linux which
are dismally small, I'll assume there are a handful of Linux Alpha users.
>
> > NT _can_ run on almost any architecture, it just hasn't because of
> > little demand.
>
> Oh really? It can run on Strong Arm?
Sure if someone took the time to write the HAL for it.
> MIPS?
Of course. NT 3.1 - NT 4 SP2 or so was released on MIPS, and NT still
could support it, even though there's no longer support for it.
> PPC?
Sure.
> NT can run on alpha and x86 and thats it.
No, that's all that recent NT has been released and officially supported
for, but the NT kernel has the capability to run on all these platforms.
> It cant support true realtime applications
BS. You have nothing to back this claim up. Besides, are you claiming Linux
can? ROFL...
> (though microsoft will tell you it can, theres a 0.10/sec lag throughout,
> because the OS itself isnt realtime),
And Linux is? Please provide documentation of both claims (NT isn't, Linux is)
> it cannot run on the vast majority of hardware types
I can, it just doesn't because of lack of support. You are severly in
denial.
> and its pretty much entirely useless.
Then that would make Linux not worth the electricity it takes to
hold the bits in RAM that drives it.
You make idle conjectures with no substantiation, not even the slightest
attempt at it. You seem to have no the basic understanding of NT, yet
you claim, repeatedly that Linux is better, which is obviously false.
Therefore... *PL0NK*
-Chad
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:17:50 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:16:22 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Looking at these numbers, I'd say Linux is a very good market.
>
> The problem is the general public, where the real money is, has been
> and continues to ignore Linux. People really don't seem to care if it
> is free or not.
People also don't really know what it is or have even heard of it. Some
computer catalogs have even been so naive as to include it in a Mac
section of the catalog or put in the games section. They are selling
something and don't even know what it is. With no marketing besides in
computer oriented magazines, etc. non-computer people are going to
continue to *not* try linux for the simple fact they don't know what it
is and do not realize it could be better than what they currently have,
Mac or Win.
> It doesn't give them any clear advantage over Windows
> and in many areas is several steps backwards. Linux gets tried by some
> but ultimately gets dumped by those same folks. I have seen it happen
> over and over again.
people who are not smart enough to use a computer in the first place
should not use an OS that gives them so much power. Bad things can
happen. Obviously in the case of a cracker a smart person using a
powerful OS can cause bad things to happen too.
>
> If Gates declared Monday December 1st "Win2k free day" and gave a free
> copy to everyone who went to their retailers and asked for it, there
> would be riots in the streets. Linux is free everyday and yet has a
> dismal market share, and personally I think the numbers of Linux users
> are greatly inflated.
> claire
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From: "ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Konqueror a great web browser
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:58 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Clamchu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip bigtime>
Konqueror is a nice piece of work, but let's not forget the big picture.
The web needs standards for it's continued success. By ceding the windows
platform with the dominance it presently has would be foolish.
Now think, if proprietary "standards" become dominant because people give
up. How accessable will it be for people on other platforms?
Second Mozilla running on as many platforms as possible is a good thing.
To get marketshare you first need mindshare. For that, exposure is
necessary.
Which one of the two is presently better poised at accomplishing both
goals?
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From: "Javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:15:30 +1300
You can wipe information by not shutting down windows properly too. I would
like to know why on gods green earth didn't you show him some ropes? show
him the do's and don't s of linux? is it because you are a complete and
utter moron or did you assume that because he can click on the start icon in
the task bar, which, in the wintel world makes to a technician/Microsoft
Certified Engineer, you assumed he could handle actually learning a new
system.
javaduke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Name calling, false accusations and likewise all because your God
> "Linux" proves itself once again not ready for the average user. It's
> incredible the way the damage control army goes on the offensive at
> the slightest hint that Linux may not be ready for average Joe, or Ted
> in this case.
>
> This laptop belonged to a person who is a powerful vote on the local
> school board which at this very moment is considering a proposal to
> revamp all of the computer labs in the district as well as the
> satellite uplink and so forth. This is a significant bond issue and
> one that may add quite a bit to MY already $8000+ per year property
> taxes. He approached a friend of mine concerning Linux as an
> alternative, and I was the person who ultimately loaded it on his
> laptop.
>
> He did not have root access, so I suspect he might have either powered
> off the machine without shutting down, or let the batteries run down.
> I don't know, but he's not fessing up.
>
> Whatever he did, he's been doing the same thing with Windows for years
> because bad habits don't change and he hasn't ever had a problem like
> this (his words not mine).
>
> This along with MY Token Ring card not working in MY laptop is simply
> proving what others have been saying all along and that is Linux is
> fine for those of you that enjoy typing in 70 character long cryptic
> commands to organize your CD tracks on your hard disk but for the rest
> of us that use a good CD Ripper like MusicMatchJukebox, we just let it
> connect to CDDB and away it goes Linux is a pure waste of time.
>
> Win2k, which I have been running a couple of weeks now, just so
> overwhelms Linux in ease of use and installation as well as
> administration, from a home user point of view, that it is not even a
> close contest. i'm not interested in administering 1000 systems
> remotely, just 3 or 4 that I can walk to. Home user.
>
> I looked in the Help System exactly once because my drives wouldn't
> share, and the Help system solved the problem with one of the wizards.
> Turned out the $ after the C ( C$) is important <bg>, I didn't know
> that but in the span of 5 minutes it was fixed.
>
> Now how many How-To's would I have to wade through to do the same or
> similar "easy if you know how" function under Linux? Where would I
> even start? If trying to get a Token Ring card working is any
> indication, Linux is in some serious deep doo doo. My eyes are sore
> from reading and trying suggestions and at this point my modules.conf
> is so screwed up I'm going to put the original back.
>
> In conclusion, the Laptop is up and running thanks to those who
> responded offline (Thanks Gavin!!!) and I gave him another lesson in
> the importance of shutting down. People like those who responded
> offline are the real Linux advocates, not the nasty, paranoid and one
> sided yo-yo's around here.
>
> claire
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:00:27 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uco16$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Roberto Teixeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>>>> "Chad" == Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> Chad> "supports" or "runs on"? Those are two very different
> >> Chad> things.
> >>
> >> Both.
> >>
> >> Chad> Besides, how many people actually run Linux on something
> >> Chad> other than x86? Not very many. PPC or Alpha also-rans might
> >> Chad> be a distant second.
> >>
> >> A lot of people run Linux in other platforms. Right here we have an
> >> alpha server.
>
> > Wow, on Alpha server? That's a feat in and of itself considering the
> > rediculously poor support, poor documentation, and lack of any
> > decent setup on the Alpha side. I had an alpha box and never did manage
> > to get RH6.2 on it.
>
> Then youre blind and moronic. Its one of the easiest installs there is.
Wrong, it's a piece of shit. I insert and boot off the CD, no user input
even asked for yet and the piece of shit freezes. Of course, I wasn't
disappointed because I expected as much from linux.
> > It would freeze during boot up when it was detecting
> > the CDROM. NT, OTOH, booted right up and went into setup automatically
> > and the install took only a few minutes.
>
> You do know all about PROM commands, right? I'm assuming you do; unless
> of course you're lying (no way!) about your experience.
Yep, I tried everything in the book. I can't even remember half of them
because the losers in the newsgroups that were "helping" me had me typed
dozens of them, none which seemed to fix the fact that Linux is a piece
of shit.
-Chad
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From: Moderator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who says Linux is great?
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:15:15 -0500
James wrote:
>
> You need 128 MB to run Win2k efficiently.
And Gnome as well.
--
-Moderator
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being against things. Anti-immigrant, for example."
-George W. Bush, New York Times, 7/2/2000
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