Linux-Advocacy Digest #332, Volume #30 Mon, 20 Nov 00 22:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Sux ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Marty)
Re: Linux trips over itself once again (Jim Broughton)
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Keldon Warlord")
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. (Jim Richardson)
Re: Linux INstability & Netscape : Insights? (Osugi)
Corel To Dump Linux? (xza)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (Jim Broughton)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Sux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:12:28 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:58:05 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:32:02 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have to say that the idea of Linux not working with Madams
> >>fascinating. Can we assume that the accounts of your
> >>average bordello are handled by Microsoft systems only?
> >>
> >>Mark
> >
> >Assuming they run Quick Books I would say so.
> >
> >Linux need not apply, yet again.
> >
> >Penguinista's are probably bad for business in a Bordello anyway. I
> >mean, I've heard that they rarely bathe?
>
> [1] I'm sure that the women can take care of that -- for a fee.
> (Besides, what man wouldn't want to be bathed by a beautiful,
> semi-naked woman standing over him with perky ... erm, move
> along, folks, there's nothing more to see here.... :-) )
>
> [2] That makes about as much sense as buying Win2k because it comes
> in such a pretty transparent box.
>
> [3] Same as [2], except replace "it...box" with "Winvocates on
> comp.os.linux.advocacy lie^H^H^Hspeak so highly of its praises
> and are so un^H^Hreliable." :-)
>
> [4] Ad hominem.
>
> [5] Wouldn't the women rather have Slow Hands? :-)
[6] Don't women prefer greater uptime?
Colin Day
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:22:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> sfcybear writes:
>
> > That still leaves the FACT that NT uptime clocks are only acurate for
> > 49.7 days while Unix clocks are 10 times more acurate than that.
> > remaining accurate for 497 days.
>
> You're confusing range with accuracy. Both clocks could be equally
> accurate. Range usually comes at the expense of precision. That is,
> the same number of bits can provide a greater range if the precision
> is reduced.
Is it "accurate" to report that a system has been up for 0 days when it has,
in fact, been up for 49.7 days?
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux trips over itself once again
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:34:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:51:34 -0800, "Operator Jack"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >Um. No .. you are doing something wrong. I was actually going to go
> >through the setup in a message here.. but you are kinda jerky.. suffice it
> >to say, if you RTFM that talks about COMMANDLINE options, you'll get it.
>
> Why does SuSE 6.4 install fine?
>
> Next...
>
> claire
Then why are you installing mandrake if SuSE 6.4 installs fine.
Pull your undersized brain out of your #$% and use it.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: "Keldon Warlord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:35:00 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:%U3S5.22737$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Keldon Warlord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > Direct-X allows the use of all types of plugin's for programs like
> > > > SoundForge and it allows manipulation of the sound as well as
> > > > interoperability between programs (ie: the plugin appears as a menu
> > > > item in all programs that support Direct-X).
> > >
> > > Interoperability? Is that what you call it when most programs
> > > you try to run refuse and tell you to install a different version
> > > of Direct-X first? What is this month's flavor?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > refuse to run??? ....oh dear lord...look, try and RUN a few of the
> Direct-X
> > programs before you puke up your nonsensical babble to the masses!
> >
> > here's a clue to the ignorant Linux user: a Windows program that
requires
> > Direct-X only checks what version you have AT THE INSTALL. If it
requires
> > Direct-X 5.0 and you have Direct-X 7.0, you'll only be advised to keep
> your
> > latest version AND THE PROGRAM WILL STILL RUN.
> >
>
> Either you came into the party late or you run kinder, gentler games
> than I used to see.
I run kinder, more gentle games....
The ones doing 2.0 and nearby versions would either
> install their own favorite flavor, possibly clobbering things needed
> by others or refuse to run, or try to run and crash. The machine used
> for that nonsense has obviously been reformatted so I don't think I
> can verify the actual version numbers involved but it wasn't pretty.
>
things got better since you last used....DOS?! ...or maybe Win
3.11???....ok, ok, I'm kidding around with you here. ;-)
--
"One by one the Penguins steal my sanity." (found printed on a T-shirt)
My Website(s):
http://kwarlord.tripod.com/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:54:00 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:44:36 -0700,
Dan Hinojosa, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>I really want to get into this so I don't want to down it. I am a java
>programmer, and was told that this is going to be a blessed reunion
>between Linux and Java. I am running Caldera on a Dell Latitude PIII
>750 with 256MB RAM. Caldera came with KDE. One of my biggest
>complaints is that I cannot copy and paste between applications, this
>just has to be written in some Magna Carta somewhere! Is there another
>desktop that abides by certain unalienable rights like copy and paste?
>Also is there a place where there is a large collection of PCMCIA card
>drivers?
>
>Thanks you crazy bunch of penguins.
>
>
To copy and paste, highlight the text with the left mouse button, and paste
with the middle mouse button. If using a crippled 2 button device, then usually
chording (clicking both the left and right button simultaneously) will paste
wherever the mouse pointer is.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Osugi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux INstability & Netscape : Insights?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:36:07 GMT
In article <8v76ae$bdq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <3a16ca2a$0$35392$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ostracus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <8v4eba$d49$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "tom"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > <snippola>
> >
> > 1. Did you install the latest appropriate version?
>
> The version installed is .8.0 beta 2. This is the one that was on the
> Mandrake cd.
I've some trouble with some versions of pan. Uninstall the one you
have, and try a different one. (from the net) BTW, you don't HAVE to
use mandrake rpms. unless it is an essensial part of the system, you
can usually use any Red Hat rpm. Course in theory, you have less probs
with mandrake packages. In theory.
> > 2. Did you delete the '.pan' directory and restart Pan?
>
> I used rpmDrake, part of the Mandrake configuration program, which
> handles the installation of rpm's. I have no idea what it put where
in
> the hierarchy. Is the .pan directory you refer to going to be in the
> root directory?
most linux programs will put a file or a directory in your home
directory to store your configuration information and other stuff. The
actual executable program and libraries (and global config files) would
be put in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin or /etc (etc. etc.) You don't need
to worry about these. rpm will take care of that stuff.
.pan is a hidden directory in your home directory. you should rename it
or delete it before installing a new version of pan, since many times
the config files are not compatible from one release to another. This
is true for many programs, not just pan. On the other hand, if you play
Q3A then decide to remove it to make room for another game and then
later put Q3A back on, all your config stuff (key bindings, screen
settings, etc) will still be there, as if you never uninstalled it.
Sounds like the pan you have is bad. Try another one - sorry, I forget
which one i use (i'm at work).
> If only, Forte would port Free Agent over to Linux!
there is always wine.
--
Osugi Sakae
I will not be filed, numbered, briefed or debriefed.
I am not a number, I am a free man. -The Prisoner
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xza)
Subject: Corel To Dump Linux?
Date: 21 Nov 2000 00:50:47 GMT
Looks like Corel is trying to cut it`s loses and dump
the Linux albatross around it`s neck.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2656226,00.html
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3785993.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 21 Nov 2000 01:54:23 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:23:56 GMT, Russ Lyttle wrote:
>That is the point that started this thread. Kernel programmers don't
>have a phobia about C++. It just isn't the right tool for that job.
Well this does help to clarify your POV. You originally said "C++ isn't
the right tool for the job" without saying what you meant by "the job".
If you're referring to kernel programming in particular, there is possibly
some truth in that statement.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:04:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Didn't work using menues on my ThinkPad. I'll give you a step by step.
>
> 1. Write some text into the K-Editor
> 2. Have NEtscape open on a webpage that has an input for the text, in
> this case it was 10 lines or so.
> 3. Choose "Select all" from the K-editor menu
> 4. Choose copy or cut from the same menu
> 5. Go to Netscape and look at the edit menu.
> 6. Paste is grayed out and not available as an option.
>
> Try that EXACTLY as above with Kde 1.x (whatever is included with SuSE
> 6.4). And let me know what happens.
>
> The only way it works is using the mouse buttons exclusively. Even
> using a combination of menu and mouse fails.
>
> claire
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:15:11 -0500, Gary Hallock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Is kwrite the text editor? The one that says "you can edit files with
> >> this?"My machine is aborted at the moment and I can't check. I don't
> >> think it is, but if it is, using the menus dos NOT work at least on
> >> the Thinkpad I have. I said nothing about the mouse keys working or
> >> not, you brought that up, I was talking about consistancy and menues
> >> that work in one program but don't translate to others (cut and paste
> >> in this case) are inconsistant whether using the mouse keys works or
> >> not. But have you tried using them to select all text, copy and paste
> >> on a Thinkpad with that trackpoint thing? Not easy at all, therefore I
> >> use the menu's even under Windows.
> >>
> >> They work under Windows however.
> >
> >kwrite and kedit are the two text editors that come with KDE. kwrite is part of the
> >kdebase package. kedit is part of the kdeutils package.
> >They are the ones you claimed didn't work with cut and paste. You lied. They do.
> >Both using the mouse and menus. You see, I have been using kwrite ever since KDE
>first
> >came out. It's a lightweight editor, but is quite easy to use and has some nice
> >features such as highlighting based on the type of file. I use it every day. I
>know
> >what it can do. I know you lied.
> >
> >Gary
What it really comes down to is nitpicking. Cut and Paste works under X PERIOD.
It is better with the mouse buttons. Using it from menus is just plain SLOW.
Try this open a console. type man bash highlight some text with the mouse now open
kedit. Position mouse pointer in the kedit window and press the middle mouse button
(both mouse buttons if only a 2 button mouse. This is emulated 3 buttons). Bingo
you have now copied a portion of a man page into the editor. Fast and easy. This also
works for netscape. Since NETSCAPE is not written that well for X blame netscape not
linux or X windows. Also blame your own ingnorance and your extreme ability to
nitpick
an easy thing to death.
What stupidity.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 21 Nov 2000 02:07:58 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:04:15 GMT, Russ Lyttle wrote:
>Mark Robinson wrote:
>I could do a lot of things, including not using streams at all. The
>fastest (C++ time = C time) would be to use C++ as a better C. But check
>your timing. Your version still runs slower than my C version by a bit.
I get this one running in 3.5 seconds:
#include <iostream>
int main()
{
for ( int i =1; i<5000000; ++i )
std::cout.write( "Hello world\n", 12);
}
and this one takes 4.9:
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
int i;
for ( i =1; i<5000000; ++i )
printf( "Hello world\n");
}
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 21 Nov 2000 02:09:06 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:13:14 GMT, Russ Lyttle wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>common : "Post samples", "But you could do that aother way". Any real
>program is simply to big to post (I don't think the group would like 2
>files of several meg each attached). So read it an weap : The C++
>program, a proper C++ program, not a C program in C++ disguise is bigger
>and slower.
My program was also "proper C++", wasn't it ? I have it beating your
C program on speed.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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