Linux-Advocacy Digest #407, Volume #30 Sat, 25 Nov 00 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty! ("Adam Warner")
Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT registry... (was
Re: The Sixth Sense) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Bob Nelson)
Re: Linux is crap (kiwiunixman)
Re: Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to "protect" customers from pirate software
(kiwiunixman)
Re: Time for a Lynn bait.... here goes! (kiwiunixman)
Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION: (kiwiunixman)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Alan Baker)
Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty! (Jacques Guy)
Re: Bug-time.... where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty!
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:34:51 +1200
Hi Jacques,
Since "Claire Lynn" has already moved to the light side (and been rather
conciliatory ;-) could you please end this Lynn bait stuff?
I don't think Lynn will be able to solve all Windows users problems, nor you
solve all Linux users problems.
I believe the issue in question has to do with some registry entries. A
search of deja will give you the answer:
http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/qs.xp?ST=PS&svcclass=dnyr&firstsearch=yes&pre
serve=1
&QRY=disable+content+advisor+for+IE4&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&OP=dnquery.xp
&LNG=english&subjects=&groups=&authors=&fromdate=&todate=
&showsort=score&maxhits=50
This leads me to a number of URLs, including this one:
http://www.rcn.com/support/internet/pc/faq/browsers/microsoft/ie4/remove.con
tent.advisor.html
Regards,
Adam Warner
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT registry...
(was Re: The Sixth Sense)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:20:04 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It remains to be seen if registry is actually a hierarchical database,
> as you credit MS to have done, or just a cumbersome virtual filesystem
> as MS API's tell.
A hierarchical database is very much alike file system.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:23:41 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes. What do you do if the file type doesn't already exist? Or if you
> wish to change, not the association of an extension to a file type, but
> the file type to the application? Or if you want to re-arrange which
> extensions belong to which pre-existing file types? (This last would
> be, for instance, if you wanted multiple extensions to remain part of
> one file type, and multiple extensions to change to a different file
> type.)
Define file type, please.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:25:17 +0200
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:oJHT5.2665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> From the application programmer's end, it wouldn't matter since all
registry
> related calls are API-based. Import and export functions would easily
solve
> the backup problem. The only group that would have the added pain in the
> gluteal area would be the Windows Dev Team. And, frankly, they deserve it.
LOL
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:27:29 +0200
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LhJT5.2681$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:pUET5.10217$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:%OqT5.2513$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Press shift when you click the OK button on the shut down screen,
this
> > > would
> > > > give you quick shutdown.
> > > > BTW, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't restart X, it terminate it, and then
> > start
> > > > it, there is quite a difference here.
> > >
> > > The point is, the entire OS doesn't go down in flames as a consequence
> of
> > > the GUI crashing... Sure, you lose whatever it might have been you
were
> > > working on, but core processes other systems on your net might be
using
> > > don't have to be interrupted by the recovery. Plus, you don't have to
> deal
> > > with the corrupted file system and registry nonsense.
> >
> > To the average user, the GUI *IS* a core process, and usually the only
> thing
> > they care about on a desktop machine. Who cares if the telnet server is
> > still running if you just lost all your work in the 5 open X
applications
> > you had going?
>
> If said desktop machine was also host to a CVS repository that was
currently
> being updated or hosted a printer that was in the middle of a large print
> job, someone would, indeed, care if the machine were hopelessly locked up
or
> rebooted.
It's not an average desktop machine.
> > And corrupted file systems don't usually happen with NTFS since it's
> > journaled. And I have never experienced a corrupted registry except
when
> > the hard disk developed bad spots.
>
> Key word being USUALLY.
> You've been very fortunate in regards to the registry. I've experienced
> registry corruption on two occasions. Both occasions involved drives in
> pristine condition. Both were lockups that occured during service pack
> updates. They were on separate machines that normally displayed quite sane
> behavior.
Two occasions, out of how long time using windows? On how many machines?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:48:06 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Why does that always sound so silly? "I chose the monopoly product
> because it is best suited to my needs," such needs always to weigh
> heavily towards application barrier issues, lack of competitive
> alternatives, and the high cost of avoiding the more expensive solution.
Corret, that is usually how I choose a product.
By how good it will serve me.
By how good it compare to other products.
By TCO.
Win2k gets the best
> You chose Windows because it has a monopoly, Ayende. I can't help it if
> you didn't realize that at the time, but you really should be honest
> with yourself. All these "reasons" you have for using Windows were
> manufactured by Microsoft; they prevented anything else from fulfilling
> those needs, as opposed to fulfilling them better or cheaper than
> anybody else.
T. Max, you really ought to get outside and breath some fresh air, maybe
take the browser off from sites with "CONSPIRACY!!!" in their title for a
day or so.
MS being monopoly or not is not something that I care about. I don't choose
products based on morals, I choose what I like to use and what will be
useful to me.
You've a thing agaist MS, and you turn everything with MS in in to a
monopoly arguement. You claim that you can't talk about MS without getting
inot the monopoly issue.
Frankly, you are quite tiresome with this approach.
You don't like MS? You've a lot of other choices.
Linux, Unix, BeOS, Amiga, OS/2, VMS, Mac
Some of them cost less than windows, some more, some of them would serve
your need better than others, you've a choice, deal with it.
But, here we come into another arguement, "I can't be free from MS because I
have to use it in work."
That is not your choice to make, in work, you use whatever your employee
gives you, or whatever you can convince it to supply to you.
That is true for many things in work enviroment, somehow you want it to be
different for computers?
Your employee made a choice, his reasons be what they may, you can try to
convince him to move, you can quit, and you can work with windows.
Simple, it would be the same if you didn't like the chair you were given, or
the room you were working on.
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From: Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:20:10 GMT
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Think Kernighan, Ritchie, or Thompson worry about vibes? I wonder if
> any of these 3 have to use Windows software, and what they think?
FWIW, Dennis Ritchie's postings to Usenet are done using Netscape hosted on
the Windows NT platform.
From: Dennis Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,sci.crypt
Subject: Re: blowfish problem
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 05:17:01 +0000
Organization: Bell Labs / Lucent Technologies
[...]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U)
I'm not sure about either Brian Kernighan or Ken Thompson (although the
latter had some unflattering remarks about Linux some time ago). I presume
that like their onetime colleague P.J. Plauger, these three individuals
are just pragmatic when it comes to use of operating systems and are not
necessarily all that concerned about ``vibes''.
With the advent of Star Office, Linus Torvalds *may* now be doing his
presentations using that application suite rather than MS Powerpoint.
Hell, Donn, some of us even have been known to drink an Iron City if there's
no Shiner Bock around. Just pragmatic, ya know. :-)
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crap
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:18:40 GMT
Glitch, what you need to understand is that he (Skully1900) is a Windows
simpleton, however, there are the few (like dudeman) who keep themselves
open to new ideas. The typical tall story is the complaining that the
GUI isn't nice and dandy like Windows, I actually use my computer for
programming and other work, whether the icons are pretty, or I can have
hundreds of animating icons don't effect my work in the slightest.
Skully1900, If you dislike it so much why don't you provide a better
solution....oh I'm sorry....your one of those stupid...."I couldn't
program if my like depended on it" type. Fuck off Skully1900 and never
come back...oh....a quick reminder....at the rate of linux growth, you
Skully1900 will be eventually assimilated. If you are (Skully1900)
going to make a "contribution" actually elaborate on you experience
rather than simply saying it sucks.
kiwiunixman
Glitch wrote:
> so don't use it, end of story. Simple isn't it?
> btw, learn to spell
>
> Skully1900 wrote:
>
>> I got sucked in and bought Linux and it sucks. It installed ok with the
>> exception of my scanner, camera,printer and soundbored but it still sucks. I
>> don't see what the big deal is this this program thant makes my pc a piece of
>> junk.. Efne DOS is beetter than this Linux trash.
>>
>> whopper
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to "protect" customers from pirate software
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:42:20 GMT
The security hole that allowed the love bug to spread wasn't actually a
security hole, but a "feature" in the eyes of Microsoft.
kiwiunixman
Glitch wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> The best excuse I have heard Microsoft said about why they dislike piracy
>> is when the said "When you download pirated software you donot know
>> whether it has patched beta code or a virus", I would rather take my
>> chances with pirated software (though I donot use it) because at least if
>> it stuffs up, it will do it at the same rate as legit stuff, hence no
>> money lost
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>
>
> Amen, and when it *does* work which is most of the time, all the better
> :P
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time for a Lynn bait.... here goes!
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:43:01 GMT
then type in startx kde2 (or what ever the name of your wn is) and away
ya go, no probs.
kiwiunixman
Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> No instead your GUI manager will segfault and throw you back to the
> command-line.
>
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>
>> Heres an even better one I experienced:
>>
>> I was running Windows 98 SE, connected to the internet, and the blue
>> screen of death popped up complaining about pppmac or something, claire
>> whats wrong, this never happens on my linux box. If I turn my computer
>> off for 30 secs and turn it back on, then connect to the net, the
>> problem goes away.
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> Jacques Guy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hey sweetie pie! (cream pie, of course)
>>>
>>> Here's one from comp.windows.misc:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, so I have Win2k running on a Micron Millenia (P3-733, with Via
>>> Apollo 133 Mhz bus chipset). Two problems:
>>>
>>> 1. Everytime I try to put the system into standby, it tells that my
>>> video card driver (Nvidia GeForce 256) won't allow it. What's weird is
>>> that this didn't happen until I put my Plextor 12/10/32A CD-RW drive
>>> in. Even weirder is the fact that I went back and reinstalled Win2k
>>> and didn't reinstall the Plextor software. Everything worked fine for
>>> a couple of days and then all of a sudden it started doing it again.
>>> All that I had reinstalled was WinZip.
>>>
>>> 2. Recently, my sound started cutting out after a few minutes. I can't
>>> pinpoint it to anything in particular and it's starting to drive me
>>> nuts. I always have to reboot to get my sound back and usually I have
>>> to kill the power because it hangs during the reboot.
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't read comp.windows.misc, do you, sweetie cream pie in the
>>> Billy Goats's face?
>>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION:
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:52:14 GMT
I agree, I was simply using the "LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR
ARMED FORCES SIMULATION" as proof that, yes, Linux can be used for
serious work...as a side note....the intranet server, in the New Zealand
Army, also runs Linux. If the US, Russian or UK army used Linux I would
have stood on my soap box and declared so. Claire Lynns reply was a sad
attempt to justify her opinion regarding Linux use in the armed forces,
since she/he could not use a legit rebuttal, she used the xenophobia
card, commonly used by populist politicians/activists trying to sell
simplistic answers to complicated problems.
kiwiunixman
mark wrote:
> In article <8vj9i7$u76$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>
>> Then think real hard about WW2 for a few minutes. Done? Good.
>> Now, I'm sure the all U.S. soldiers will be MORE than happy to let the New
>> Zealand armed forces take over ALL peace keeping missions in the world.
>> Middle East? No problem, call NZ.
>> Belgrade? No problem, call NZ. When Korea erupts? No problem, call NZ. If
>> you disapprove so much, why not simply go back to NZ? Seems real simple to
>> me.
>>
>>
>
>
> Interesting, looks like claire/steve/hepcat/jason/keys did it,
> managed to start a US/NZ we're the greatest war.
>
> I know that the Anzacs as well as the rest of the forces fighting
> with Britain were very pleased when the US joined them.
>
> The Anzacs have also been involved in a huge range of conflicts
> since WW2, many of which had no US involvement at all (eg., Malaya), many
> of which did.
>
> This has nothing to do with Linux at all.
>
> The NZ Army using linux for simulation does. Looks like prime
> time to me.
>
> Mark
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From: Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:57:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Larry Pyeatt wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> (major snippage)
>>
>> > vi editing is superior....hands don't leave the main keyboard area.
>>
>> Unless you use a Dvorak keyboard. ;)
>
>1) Considering that vi only uses main-keyboard keys (regardless
> of QWERTY vs. Dvorak issues.....why, exactly?
>
>
>2) Only PSEUDO-intellectual dorks use Dvorak.
>
>The only tests that 'demonstrated' superior speed on a Dvorak
>board were those conducted by Dvorak himself (1943, US Navy).
>
>All other trials have failed to reproduce the results.
<http://www.som.syr.edu/facstaff/dvorak/blackburn.html>
"Typing, Fastest. Mrs. Barbara Blackburn of Salem, Oregon can maintain
150 wpm for 50 min (37,500 key strokes) and attains a speed of 170 wpm
using the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard (DSK) system. Her top speed was
recorded at 212 wpm. Source: Norris McWhirter, ed. (1985), THE GUINNESS
BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS, 23rd US edition, New York: Sterling Publishing
Co., Inc."
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that
wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the
bottom of that cupboard."
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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:01:36 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty!
Adam Warner wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> Since "Claire Lynn" has already moved to the light side (and been rather
> conciliatory ;-) could you please end this Lynn bait stuff?
>
> I don't think Lynn will be able to solve all Windows users problems, nor you
> solve all Linux users problems.
One, that was not my problem, it was a quote from the usual
windows newsgroup where beleaguered users cry for help. I'm
not so stupid as to have IE gobble up 60M of my hard disks.
Two, "Claire Lynn" has not laid off, he/she/it has come back
under the name "Sir". He/she/it is just a mythomaniac who
gets its rocks off counting the responses it gets to its
posts.
Three, afore I chew up as much bandwidth as that low cowardly
shit, at the rate I'm posting, it'll be 3001. So play it
again in 3001 and I'll be listening.
Therefour, let your next post be "Hi Claire," (or "Hi Sir")
"could you please end this Linux sux stuff?" And before
3001, if possible?
* cowardly: as in "won't have her crap archived by DejaNews
lest she/it/he gets her/his/its nose rubbed in it."
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Bug-time.... where is NT?
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:02:49 GMT
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > Really, it is pretty tricky to get software to not leak,
> > > and Microsoft has as much trouble as anyone else.
> > ^^^^^^^
> >
> > you misspelled "more"
> >
> > Can you say "spaghetti code" ????
>
> You really must make your signature more concise, it's
> longer than St. Paul's letter to the Corinthians (who
> probably thought that St. Paul was the new gold vendor
> down the street).
>
> Anyway, I've never had a good feeling about Microsoft
> code in general. It's often ugly, and the APIs
> take wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many parameters, including
> parameters that are pointers to structures or are
> "handles". Definite spaghetti no matter how careful
> the MS programmer is.
>
> It arises from the Microsoft development philosophy,
> as explicated by the former Visual C++ team leader,
> Jim McCarthy. <paraphrase> When you commit to
> develop using Microsoft tools, you commit to a way
> of life. The one thing we will do is change, and
> change rapidly. This forces everyone to work hard
> to keep up, and gives us an advantage. </paraphrase>
>
> Of course, this attitude is merely a formalized
> version of how things work in the real world.
> The price we pay is buggy code.... spaghetti code.
>
> Hell, I've written spaghetti code many a time, because
> I knew I would not be given the time to "do it right".
> I've found that growing an API works quite well for
> awhile. Ultimately, it grows beyond my easy grasp,
> and new projects take longer. At some point it is
> time to throw it out and regrow from a stronger position.
>
There's an old golden rule I've got confirmed by hard
personal experience. All the time you earn by eating up
steps in the early stages of a project development, you're
going to pay, with a very high interest rate, before project
is over. That's why MS projects are always behind schedule.
And you end up with a project which in many cases is almost
impossible to manage. That's why MS projects are crappy.
Knuth ("the Knuth") says that the best programs he's written
are those he's been obliged to rewrite from scratch, because
he'd lost the source code.
> Microsoft does this very well. Again, though, the
> transition is always marked by an efflorescence of
> bugs.
>
> Chris
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