Linux-Advocacy Digest #471, Volume #30 Mon, 27 Nov 00 15:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Is design really that overrated? (Mig)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (Spicerun)
Re: Whistler review. (Spicerun)
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: KDE2 (Mig)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:32:50 +0000
In article <3a2291ba$0$14376$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>So, kiwiunixman, did you classify yourself as a "unixman" because you don't
>know how to use a mouse and are afraid of getting sticky fingers in GUI? Go
>away you pathetic worm troll
It's hard to say really, since you cut what he was responding to.
Mark
>
>"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> So, Matthew Soltysiak, you classify yourself as a Comp Sci/Soft Eng, did
>you
>> obtain this title because you could click on the start button and copy a
>> couple of files.....oooo big man! Wake up and smell the shyte, Windows is
>a
>> poorly designed operating system that will never reach the scalability
>> hights of what is achievable by UNIX, an example of this is the big push
>by
>> Intel to SUN Microsystems to ensure that the 64bit version of Solaris for
>> Intel is ready by the time Itanium is released, now, if Intel had
>confidence
>> in Microsoft, they would not of given a shyte if Solaris was not ready,
>but
>> because Intel wants to move into the enterprise area they needed a well
>> respected Operating System (which Windows is not one of them) to win
>> customers over (esp. UNIX admins previously stuck with expensive,
>propriety
>> hardware who wished to move to Intel based UNIX solutions).
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:24:44 +0000
In article <8vsa9p$5e8t6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
>(the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
>finally eliminated the 9x line.
>
>Here is my biased review.
>I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
>OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
>stability yet.
Having seen your technical commentaries, I think it wise to
restrict yourself to the squashy bits.
I'm sure it looks really nice, Ayende.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:20:10 +0000
In article <qTiU5.10341$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Are you being deliberately stupid, or is a serious mental condition?
>> >
>> > Here's a clue: Uptime reported via the network is not accurate, so the
>> > uptimes reported are wrong. Incorrect uptime does not mean the machine
>> > does not stay up.
>>
>> Yes, but the experience of real-life NT admins DOES mean that
>> the machines don't stay up.
>
>Your experience differs from mine.
>
>> A fellow contractor told of helping with an inventory...
>> there was a Sun box which had been overlooked in the last
>> inventory, and had gone 13 months without any sort of
>> maintenance.....everyone had completely FORGOTTEN about
>> this machine's existance....because it was performing
>> ALL of its functions flawlessly.
>
>And a similar situation happened at one of my clients. They had an NT box
>sitting in a network closet for 2 years acting as a time-clock system. One
>day someone goes into the closet and discovers the box, and nobody could
>figure out what it was for, since the people that had installed it had left
>the company a year earlier. So they just shut it down. 10 minutes later,
>they started getting calls from HR about not having access to the time
>tracking server.
>
>The thing ran for 2 years without anyone noticing.
>
>> If this were, instead, a LoseNT machine, would such a situation
>> even be possible?
>>
>> for 5 weeks...maybe. 13 months? Not on your life.
>
>Think again. It's possible.
>
To be honest, I'd agree with that. The standard advice in
my company is that when putting anything on NT, make absolutely
sure that it's lonely, otherwise it'll be up and down like a,
err, forgive me claire, a yo yo.
So something just running xntpd (or whatever the NT equiv is)
probably could stay up for a significant period.
The major difference to linux here is that with linux, you can
run more than one program at a time.
Mark
>
>
>
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 27 Nov 2000 19:38:34 +0000
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Wow....look at this car
> >
> > It's great
> > It's fantastic.
> >
> > They painted it at the factory!!!!
> > etc.
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hey Aaron, want YOUR hint?
I certainly don't wish to speak for Aaron Kulkis, but I would have
though that it was pretty obvious that his point was that the review
of Whistler only touched on the look and feel of the desktop, whereas
the underlying OS was very unfinished.
> You want the truth...you can't handle the truth. Linux is a university
> drop-out hobby. It's been taken over by hippies who don't know the 60s free
> love and free drugs are over. It's promoted by anyone who wants to ride the
> Anti-MS wave thats popular with the underground. it'll be there until the
> next thing comes along and replaces it as the Ultimate-Anti-MS-OS(tm).
Don't judge all Linux advocates by the more extreme members of this
group. Many of us like it because it's an affordable, capable
alternative to Unix, which happens to run rather well on cheap
commodity hardware. It has all the kind of software that I need
(mostly for free), and, being a Unix-like OS, it's easy to adapt it
for my own purposes. I'm only anti-Microsoft inasmuch as I resent the
way that that corporation is doing its best to make my prefered way of
working unviable, by flooding the market with proprietry `standards'.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:47:17 -0600
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > Said Giuliano Colla in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 25 Nov 2000
> > > >Now look what NT does. It exposes a 32 bit value, which is
incremented
> > > >in units of one hundredth of a second, as per specs, but when it
reaches
> > > >a value 10 times smaller than the all 1's value (i.e. after 49.7
days,
> > > >instead 497) it goes back to zero. To be exact, when it reaches the
> > > >binary value 11001100110011001100110011001 it goes back to zero. It's
> > > >not a binary counter rolling over to zero!
> >
> > That's not the case. NT's tick counter is not in 10ms units, it's in
1ms
> > units, though it increments it 55ms at a time (the system tick minimum
> > resolution)
> >
> > It does roll over to 0 after filling up with all 1's.
> >
> > Here's a little exercise. Calculate the largest number of days a 32 bit
> > value can hold if it holds 1ms units. The answer, 49.7 or so days.
>
> Here's a little exercise for you.
> You have an internal tick counter made the stupid way MS has
> done. (Don't tell me that a 1 ms resolution with 55 ms
> uncertainty is smart because I won't buy it, but that's
> another matter)
There are multiple timers in Windows. GetTickCount() is simply one the
lowest resolution timers.
> Now you have decided to provide a function whose specs
> require to expose, as a continuity indicator, a 32 bit
> counter which increments in units of 10 ms. Remember that
> you may not provide it. IBM's AIX doesn't, just to make an
> example. It's just a function you may have or not. But
> you've decided to have it.
Gee, what spec is that? The only spec I know of that requires a 10ms
resolution is the SNMP spec, and we know for a fact that the method that
netcraft is using is not based on SNMP since this is filtered by most
firewalls and filtering routers. I don't know if the SNMP function returns
the correct time or not, I've not tried it.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:40:57 +0100
the_blur wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm a designer...I recently installed Mandrake 7.2 and found it to be the
[snip]
How about posting a webadress where we can judge the quality of your own
work. Show us your art.
BTW.. i agree with lots of your arguments.. except that i find KDE2
goodlooking and very stable (Im using Mandrake 7.2 also)
--
Cheers
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:51:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:33:28
+0200;
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 26 Nov 2000 15:44:56
>> [...]
>> >What I don't understand is how a UPS can solve problem in the FS.
>> >It's like changing a monitor to fix the sound card problems.
>
>> But I wouldn't think there was anyone who purported to have some
>> expertise with PCs, let alone with Windows in particular, who wasn't
>> aware that low quality power often causes recurring problems in the file
>> system, most especially FAT.
>
>No, what I was commenting about was how did a UPS made windows directory
>come back.
>As that was the problem that Chris was talking about.
Well, then you were being silly. AFAIK, only you are talking about
directories disappearing or coming back, and so far it looks like a
dubious result; much more likely that you weren't aware of something
relatively straightforward. Installing Windows so that you can get
Internet access so somebody who knew what they were doing could help
troubleshoot the system wasn't a particularly dumb idea, but the real
question comes down to why the user had no CD or backup of the Linux OS.
It doesn't take a "directory disappearing" for lack of a CD to halt any
attempt to fix a broken Windows install.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:48:56 +0000
In article <gPlU5.54$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bennetts family wrote:
>
>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8vsa9p$5e8t6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
>> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined
>to
>> finally eliminated the 9x line.
>
>About bloody time.
I guess this means the Dos7 command processor?
I wonder how long before somebody ports a decent shell
to this?
It's amusing that Mac OS/X has just appeared with tcsh as
standard at the same time as Dos8 loses its command processor.
Microsoft tried so hard to catch up apple on this, they
actually met them going the other way...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:37:48 +0000
In article <HotU5.25408$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>"spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> > I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>>
>> I DON'T CARE!!!
>>
>> I will still continue to run my Linux System which has performed for me better
>> than anything MS has ever done.
>>
>> <EOM>
>
>Head > Sand.
At least it's better than:
uptime < priest
>
>-Chad
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:36:53 +0000
In article <3a228f5a$0$14371$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>how would you know?
I think he knows what's run better for him, which is what he said.
It's nothing like :
>
>That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
at all.
wa waaaaa.
Besides, we really don't care whether Ayende likes the colour
scheme of DOS7.3 or DOS8 or whatever this will be.
Mark
>
>"spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> > I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>>
>> I DON'T CARE!!!
>>
>> I will still continue to run my Linux System which has performed for me
>better
>> than anything MS has ever done.
>>
>> <EOM>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:43:43 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
>
>
>kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>> I have nothing against Commercial Software, if fact I am an out right
>> capitalist, however, Microsoft has a reputation for churning out shyte so
>> that customers (like your self) think because it comes from Microsoft it
>> must be good.
>
>Nope, i don't buy their software, and i never will.. I really don't care about
>Miscrosft. But I happen to like many of the commercials apps for Windows like
>Protel and Orcard, and some others like Mia and SoftImage. Too bad Linux
>doesn't have these, eh?
So, if you don't but their software, err, how do you run these apps?
You pirate the OS, then?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:44:58 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
>>
>> You're obviously going to a 3rd-rate college.
>
>I was hoping you would be a little more original. Actually, I go to very nice
>college thanks.
>Anyway, here's something that will blow your mind away (because i'm guessing you're
>the type who
>can't accept the truth, and has to advocate all kinds of shit to get somewhere).
>People use
>what they want to use. The guy who like Whistler liked it. Simple as that. Is your
>brain
>suffering from crashed yet? No? good.
>
I don't judge an OSs quality on whether it's crashed *yet*.
I don't recommend anyone else does either - the waiting can
be *really* painful.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:42:26 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
>Aaron, get a life. The guy likes Whislter, so be it. Leave him alone. In fact, i
>like
>it too. My eng. buddies and I love it. Beats the hell outta Linux for usability.
Then Ayende can post about the lovely colour scheme somewhere else.
Maybe you and Ayende can swap skins?
Perhaps develop several.
You could call them 'the professional range' or something.
I bet changing skins is really easy and user friendly and
intuitive, right?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:46:34 +0000
In article <3a229563$0$14430$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
><very large snip because Aaron doesn't understand the first thing about
>replying to posts or how to use usenet or even how to change underwear more
>than monthly 100+ lines to write unrelated stupidity at the bottom - a
>typical @yahoo.com user, almost as bad as an aol.com user>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah, a winvocate insulting the world. Use linux, folks,
it helps you to avoid insulting the world. And change
your underwear (you know, cron your laundry).
Mark
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:13:51 +0000
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> how would you know?
I've been there!
> That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
I run Linux because it kicks MSDOS3.x, MSDOS4.x, MSDOS5.x, MSDOS6.x,
MSDOS7.x, Win9x, WinME, WinNT, and Win2K's ass (all of which I've tried at
one time or another....and having to use Win2k here at work -- which you
would have known if you had read one of my replies elsewhere in this thread.
But then again, asking a Winvocate Troll to Read before Posting is futile.
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:20:11 +0000
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Glitch wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom Elam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to
> "Ayende
> > > > Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as
> good
> > > > >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> > > >
> > > > That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
> > > >
> > >
> > > yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry for
> > > their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
> >
> > This frog shit beats the hell out of whale shit.
> >
>
> And ALL the windows shit beats the living hell outta the dinosaur shit unix
> drags itself though.
How would you know?
> .. go away troll.
You are the Troll in comp.os.linux.advocacy and comp.sys.mac.advocacy groups.
M$ doesn't own these newsgroups, so take your arrogant Wintrolling attitude and
BSOD yourself with it.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:56:18 -0600
"Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8vudi2$t70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> BTW.. i agree with lots of your arguments.. except that i find KDE2
> goodlooking and very stable (Im using Mandrake 7.2 also)
Odly enough, I agree. I'm rather impressed with KDE2 from an asthetic point
of view.
Mandrake, however has some very goofy things. For instance, the
MandrakeUpdate utility uses a scrollbar as a progress indicator... moving
back and forth like a Cylon eyepiece... ugh. Whoever did that should be
shot.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:55:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:40:18
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> But not quick and easy. This is the equivalent of an 'rexec' function,
>> when su provides 'rsh', if you know what that means. Being able to run
>> a command as root is OK, but *being* root (almost), is better. Or at
>> least quicker and easier for most actual purposes.
>
>Runas /user:administrator cmd
>Voila, you are admin
Cute. Thanks for the tip. I'd have given you odds that wouldn't work,
but I'm just jaded by more than a decade of Microsoft producing some of
the worst software ever to find a market.
>Here is another one:
>Create a shortcut to explorer.exe, check the "run as another user"
>Double click it, explorer will open, you are now, within this windows and
>within any windows or applications that you launch from this widnows, an
>admin.
Now that I would have bet hard money wasn't possible. Seems like MS had
to work pretty hard to make W2K mimic Unix enough to be acceptable
enough to extend the monopoly.
[...]
>> No, its just not as easy to know what you're doing. You mistake running
>> as admin with having admin privileges, as well. A much larger
>> proportion of people than you think have admin privileges on their
>> account because they need it to get certain software to work. Still not
>> as many, I'd bet, as people who run Linux as root, particularly outside
>> a business setting.
>
>Adaptec Easy CD Creator require me to run as admin in order for it to burn.
>I run it using Runas, problem solved.
Most people would just log in on an account with admin privileges,
rather than set up each and every program that requires admin privileges
as a special case.
>CorelLinux 1.2 acts like a single user OS, if you don't take extra steps in
>order to make sure it wouldn't.
>The only acount defined is root, and you've *no way* of defining the root
>password during the install.
Oh, you meant "look like a single user OS." I thought you meant "act
like a single user OS." Cute. I wonder if the free market will like
it. Seems like something that might be quite useful to a certain market
segment.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:59:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:43:03
[...]
>No, it was me, running as root, deleting the FS.
>It was some time ago.
>And, like any person on this planet, I didn't suddenly gained holly
>knowledge of the working of linux just by installing it for the first time.
Ah, but you did with rm -r, didn't you? :-D
Don't sweat it; I've done it myself. I was installing a new SNMP
manager, and wanted to get rid of a whole branch of directories, but
didn't remember that I did a cd to the root a moment before. So I ended
up re-installing enough of the OS (Solaris) to get the manager running
(it was for a course, and only had to look like it worked for a couple
days). It was pretty dumb, considering I'd been teaching people Unix
(on a trivial level) for a couple years, and was always sure to point
out a) don't run as root (but I needed to when installing the manager)
and b) only run rm -r with an absolute path.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:55:58 +0100
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> It was the Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:06:21 +0100...
> ...and Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Matthias Warkus wrote:
> >
> > > It was the Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:53:33 GMT...
> > > ...and Xavi Solsona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think this piece of software (KDE2) will help a lot
> > > > to bring several desktop Windows users to GNU/Linux.
> > > > Welcome to new distributions with 2.4 and KDE2 by
> > > > default (I consider GNOME inferior nowadays)
> > >
> > > Why?
> >
> > - Crashes a lot
>
> What in GNOME crashes a lot? I haven't seen any non-alpha GNOME stuff
> crash in months.
The panel; the applets; the filemanager. amazingly not the Gnome apps i
use but the enviroment itself .
> > - programmed in C (Jeeezzz in this day and age )
>
> What's wrong about C?
Whats wrong about assembler i might ask. Lots of things have happened with
computer science since C was created. The most important IMHO is OO and C
is just not up to the task.... its too close to the machine so it makes it
diffcult to think abstract with it.
> > - Inferiour toolkit
>
> How so?
It was created as an exercise by one of the Gimps programmers as interface
tool for the Gimp.... I think that the reason why Gnome uses it was that
Miguel couldnt find anything else.
> > - KDE clone
>
> Bullshit.
Most emulates KDE.... Panel , desktop menu (yeah.. KDE2 was first with it
in early develpment), control center..
But why even wonder since it was Gnome was intende as an alternative to KDE
> > - Overhyped
>
> Bullshit.
Sure... version 1.0 was released even though it probably just could qualify
as an early beta compared to KDE 1 releases.... Despite that Miguel went
around promoting it as "the standart desktop og the Linux enviroment" and
lots of journalists just swallowed it rat
> > - MS copyers
>
> Bullshit.
Hmmm... so OLE and COM dont influence Gnome a lot?
Whats that i am hearing about Visual Basic and Gnumeric?
> > - Miguel
>
> Right.
>
> > - American product
>
> How so?
Its mainly developed in the Americas.... i have the impression that fast
talk is very important in that region of the world
> mawa
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