Linux-Advocacy Digest #539, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 20:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Bennetts family")
Re: Linux is awful (Spicerun)
Re: Linux is awful (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is awful ("Bennetts family")
Re: Linux is awful (sfcybear)
Re: Linux is awful (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows SUX ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("Frank Van Damme")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux=Stink*Stank*Stunk (Steve Mading)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("PLZI")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Java? ("Colin R. Day")
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:50:29 +1100
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90417j$4tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Really? How do they get the OS from the CD to the HD, then?
> You do realize that when I'm talking about installing Linux I'm talking
> about installing the OS, right?
You install once, and then you learn how to use RPM. The only time a Linux
system needs to be restarted is a) after you have recompiled the kernel; b)
when you are installing non-USB/Firewire hardware, especially the
motherboard, or c) after a power outage.
--Chris
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:55:03 +0000
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> sfcybear wrote:
>
> > Go over to the NT group and post something like was posted here. You'd
> > get distroyed with personal insults.
>
> So what? That's the excuse is it?
You tell us what your excuse is for advocating Windows in a Linux advocacy
newsgroup, and you will discover the answer to your question.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:59:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Skully1900 wrote:
>Comparing Linux to Windows 2000 is like comparing the Space Shuttle to a bottle
>rocket and Linux isn't the Space Shuttle. I just installed Mandrake 7.2 and I,
>and the 3 other people using it are not impressed at all. This is our first
>venture into the world of Linux, and will be our last at least until Linux can
>match Windows 2000 in some very basic area's. First off we used Mandrake 7.2
>complete from Mcmillan and you should be warned about the false advertising on
>the box. First of all this is NOT a complete version of Linux if only for no
>server version install offered. Also the tech support is for TWO INCIDENTS via
>Email and for installation only. They don't tell you about the two incident
>part on the box. We sent several questions, none of which were answered. The
>install program is broken badly. If you type the command for expert setup at
>the boot prompt which is supposed to turn off hardware checking etc, it doesn't
>work. It still goes off on autopilot and tries to detect hardware anyway. This
>was a major problem on a laptop we were trying to install on because it kept
>detecting the wrong video chip and all we got on bootup was a white screen with
>no way of killing it except power off. No killing the X-server and no way into
>an alternet console. There was also no way around this because even on boot up
>selecting i for interactive was interactive only up to starting X and it did
>that no matter what we selected.
>
I left this intact. I did so as it's funnier to read it
than to just <SNIP> it.
Yeah, Windows 2000 is just a space shuttle alright.
I mean you would have to admit that the Windows 2000 built
in WEB server is just simply better than apache's.
And their built in 12 compilers are all the RAVE!
And the built in FTP, SSH, and CVS systems are absolutely
superior! And you know what really tops off the cake
for me and Windows 2000 is that INCREDIBLE Microsoft
support you get! If I have a problem, a guy calls
me back the same day with a custom made service pack!
>On the other 2 systems things installed better but KDE 2.0 is very unstable. It
>too locks up frequently, especially when exiting it but we can kill it and it
>doesn't take things down. So now it was time to play with the systems. We were
>able to set up the network ok and get Internet Connection Sharing up and
>running even easier than with Windows 2000 but why no dial on demand that will
>work with kppp and the Gnome dialer? I know it can be done with scripts but a
>newbie is going to use kppp which is set up as part of the install. Security
>seemed preety good taking a trip over to Gibsons site. Most things seemed to
>work, but there is a major problem and that is what is going to send people
>back to Windows.
>
Yeah, Windows 2000 is free you know! You can get
Windows 2000 CD's in the backs of many books and
magazines. And you can download it off the internet
also! Hey! I think Windows 2000 even runs the space
shuttle one guy said once!
>Linux gui just looks terrible. No matter what screen fonts, resolution or
>refresh rate is picked it is simply hard on the eyes. Many of the Gnome themes
>are dark and hard to see. Netscape is the worst in this reagard being painful
>to look at even with imported Windows TT fonts using DrakConf. By contrast
>Microsoft Windows is smooth and crisp looking. Mind you were using an Nvidia
>and a Matrox card, both of which look stunning on Windows. People are going to
>take one look at this mess and they will return it because it looks so boxy and
>awful.
>
You know! I'll bet DELL will just drop Linux support
as soon as they read this! HA HA! Yes sir! They sure
will! And IBM and Compaq will also! HA HA! Yes sir!
And we will all be one great big happy Windows family
again! You wait and see boy! You wait and see!
>We have played with fonts, colors and themes and quite frankly have had it.
>
>Between the crashing of the GUI, crappy look and yes the lack of quality
>(although there is no lack of quantity) applications, Linux is a non issue
>around here. It's off our systems and we have fired off a letter to Mcmillin
>requesting a refund for deceptive packaging.
>
>Rozzi
Oh that's too bad. Well, since I only run Windows 2000 I would
NEVER install that Linux stuff. No sire' BOB! No way!
Not here boy. I'm no dumbshit! I'll stick with what I preach
day and night! Windows 2000. Yes Sir! Yes Sirrie Bob!
Thank you so much Rozzi.
You newgroup post just lifted my heart and gave
me a new direction in life to follow!
I just can't imagne why the world is filled with
such dumbshits.
Yes Sirrie Bob!
Charlie
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:02:19 +1100
"Skully1900" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Comparing Linux to Windows 2000 is like comparing the Space Shuttle to a
bottle
> rocket and Linux isn't the Space Shuttle.
I totally disagree with your analogy comparing Linux to a bottle rocket.
Maybe a Delta II would be more appropriate - not particularly large, but
reliable, and can do big things, like send microwave sized robotic vehicles
to Mars, and send probes out much further than Pluto's orbit (and still
going!).
--Chris
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:50:34 GMT
In article <rmfV5.32823$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> sfcybear wrote:
>
> > Go over to the NT group and post something like was posted here.
You'd
> > get distroyed with personal insults.
>
> So what? That's the excuse is it?
No, it shows the caliber of the people advocating MS products. They have
been around for a long time. In this group there have been a number of
them who have changed ID's and posted this type of post. The clue is
when they are not or never have asked for help, they are just piss'n and
moan'n
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:00:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> > Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>>
>> Is it the policy of this group to poke fun at people with problems with
>> Linux? Or is the assumption that _anyone_ reporting problems is not worth
>> listening to, and should be derided? If so, then what amazing arrogance!
>>
>
>Mandrake 7.2 is stable.
>
>The original poster is a LIAR.
>
>
My good friend Rozzie a liar!
Well, I would have never known!
>
>> --
>> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
I think I'll go out and install Debian now!
Thanks for helping me see the light!
God Bless you sir!
Charlie
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows SUX
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:09:46 -0000
>The registry doesn't "forget" things. It's a binary file. how could it
>"remember" it's old setting? Answer: It can't. Thus something is setting
>it to default. It could be that your monitor isn't sending the proper
>signals to auto-detect it. You should try turning off the autodetect and
>selecting your monitor manually.
>
Exactly, everyone knows an elephant never forgets and the registry is the
computer equivalent - big and bloated.
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From: "Frank Van Damme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:17:33 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mark"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <975494561.344562@marvin>, Frank Van Damme wrote:
<snip>
>>Not necessary. Wat if you set your borders fading from pink to orange,
>>wear an orange T-shirt, and flashy pink pants. Then, set your background
>>to the one from the win98 sixties theme. So you don't clash with your
>>computer! With your office of course...
>
>
> Words do not suffice. So: !
>
> Mark
So? You mean I have to go to the office dressed like that? Sorry, that's
impossible. I'm a _student_, and we don't use any user-customisale
computers.
--
Never underestimate the power of Linux-Mandrake
7.2 on an AMD K7 800 / 128.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:18:27 -0500
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <8vvrt2$as3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > I keep having to come back to the FACT that Windows of any form
> > is UNSTABLE. They are making some BOLD marketing statements
> > about Whistler being STABLE, but I bet it's not. They have
> > never achieved stability and they are admiting it by taughting
> > this marketing fling concerning stability. Why if they
> > were stable to begin with....
> >
> > And operating system is only worth it's weight in shit if
> > you can keep it up and OPERATING for a period of time
> > exceeding say a week without it crashing or blue screening
> > under normal business conditions. Windows hasn't made
> > anything yet which can make it a solid week yet under
> > business conditions without having to be re-booted.
> > It's either re-boot or crash. In my work, we turn
> > them around every 3 days now instead of every day
> > with W2k. That's an improvement over NT by a little.
> >
> What exactly are you doing with your boxes where you have to reboot
> them every three days? Working in an all NT desktop/90% NT Server
> development environment myself, I just don't see this at all. We
> reboot them when we upgrade them, and that's it. They don't reboot
> themselves, they don't bluescreen. Why does it seem to be Unix
> advocates who can't keep an NT box running longer than a day?
For the same reason that keeps NT advocates from keeping NT up:
IT'S A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux=Stink*Stank*Stunk
Date: 30 Nov 2000 00:16:02 GMT
Sir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The Grinch couldn't have said it better himself. I've spent the last 4 days
: attempting to install Mandrake 7.2 on 3 different systems and have yet to
: find myself successful on any of them.
: Is this really what Linux is about because I just have a real hard time
: understanding what is so difficult about installing Linux. I have installed
: many windows systems and have never had a problem that wasn't easily
: solved. This Linux crap is a horror story by comparison.
: You can keep your half dead penguins because Linux in it's current state is
: headed down the drain.
: Nobody in their right mind would run this piece of crap especially when
: alternatives exist all of which are better than Linux.
: I'm heading to FreeBSD because it can't possibly be any worse than this
: Linux trash.
Does anyone out there who knows better how to trace usenet posts
want to find out if this is another one of Claire's clones? It
really sounds like it.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:20:45 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> mark wrote:
>
> > It always amuses me that the windows people seem to have stability
> > problems with linux, but the linux people don't, now why might
> > that be?
>
> Really?
>
> It always amuses me that non-windows people seem to have stability problems
> with Windows, but Windows people don'y, now why might that be?
>
> > It's just not happened to me. I rebooted my Win98SE machine
> > twice today, (only twice because I'm managing to avoid using
> > Outlook now).
>
> I didn't reboot my Windows 98 SE _once_ today. It didn't crash. You know,
> it does happen.
You know what amuses me?
That Kmart employs over 50 Windows experts to find stable
combinations of software for Windows.
Conversely, on Unix, you can run ANY combination of software
with little concern about it impacting stability.
Why?
Because Windows DLLS are a nightmare, whereas Unix/Linux
libraries are well managed.
And THAT alone makes a hell of a difference.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:25:04 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Patrick Raymond Hancox wrote:
> > >
> > > "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > What do you have to prove with that post? Look at Windows 2000 Pro,
> 650MB,
> > > a
> > > > base installation, compare that to, say, Redhat Linux, which maybe a
> > > little
> > > > bigger in size, but includes valuable third party tools such as tar,
> gzip,
> > > > and StarOffice.
> > >
> > > a single UDMA66 20Gb drive sells for about $180 or so, last i looked.
> 650Mg
> > > (which, i'm guessing, includes your page file) is not much of a problem.
> >
> > Bloat-ware is bloatware, no matter how much it costs.
> >
> > Bloat is one of the reasons why LoseDOS performance SUCKS!
>
> That'd change if CS students were forced, for at least one semester, to
> write assembly code for a small 65xx based system with 8K. Learning how to
> do things compactly and efficiently would be the result.
True.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
>
> <snip>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:20:35 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said PLZI in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:20 GMT;
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >Bad analogy error. Bring one of those federal judges here in Finland, and
> >let's see what he can do or say or rule.
>
> About the law, or about what is objective?
About the law, of course.
> >Bring one physicist, and for some,
> >unknown reason, I tend to believe what he has to say.
>
> If you can understand it. There are quite a number of great physicists
> in Finland, I know. But not everyone in Finland speaks English, you
> see.
And the exact point of this was...?
> >US Legal system is for
> >US. US laws are for US, albeit the US government likes to play tha game
> >called "world police". Calculus does not care about countries, flags or
> >borders.
>
> Are you trying to say that Finland has no anti-trust law, or merely that
> you don't understand anti-trust law at all?
Neither. Is there a problem with your understanding? I do not care about US
anti-trust laws. Plain and simple. But of course, you knew this, you just
want to play... now what were they...ah yes, children's games.
> >> Which do you prefer, obeying the law or breaking the law?
> >
> >Now that wouldn't be the US Law you're referring to? Sorry, I'm Finnish.
>
> Well, Finnish law, then. Are you going to answer, or not?
I usually choose to obey the local laws. There are occasions, when I choose
not to - for example, I tend to drive too fast at times. Not often, but I do.
> >I really could not be less interested in the laws of US. I'm ready to obey
> >the local laws.
(which already answered you question, I you'd care to read.)
> And so monopolization is OK in Finland? Somehow I doubt that, as every
> member of the EU, and *every* other "first world" country, has
> anti-trust laws.
Monopolization is in fact OK in Finland. We have government-owned alcohol
monopol. Monopols are OK is US as well, if you did not know this. Illegal use
of mopolistic power is not.
> >> Tea or coffee, indeed.
> >
> >Monopoly or not a monopoly. That is what we call "freedom of choice".
>
> Well, the choice of "monopoly or not a monopoly" is not what we call
> "freedom of choice", and in many ways we invented 'freedom of choice'.
*chuckle* What ever you say. Being the country of tradition and great
philosophers. :)
> >I could
> >of course be in great trouble, should I ignore the law. But that is a
choice
> >as well. Your analogy, as usual, is in error. From my point of view, the
US
> >government has ruled in MS case. I do not live under the US govern. So
this
> >has absolutely *nothing* to do with me.
>
> Which is to say, I must presume, that you don't use Windows?
Bad logic error.
> >You people sue each other for too hot
> >coffee or whatever you like.
>
> Ouch.
>
> >You also let killers walk free, because they
> >have the money to twist the legal system for their needs. Come on, tell me
> >that the US legal system is the best in the world and impartial as hell. I
am
> >*this* close believing you.
>
> It is the best in the world, and as impartial as it can practically be.
> Now how close are you?
Very. *chuckle*
> [...]
> >> Your list is pointless carping about details and acronyms. What makes
> >> you think that any and all of this couldn't easily be done on any other
> >> system? Christ, haven't you ever heard of Java? You're just giving
> >> Microsoft credit for your ability to use computers, entirely.
> >
> >So, you do not have the skills or information necessary to even understand
> >what I outlined in that list?
>
> No, I understand the bulk of it, what is actually applicable. Whether I
> can match you acronym for acronym is a different issue. I'm not an
> MSdroid, so I don't even *care* about half the stuff you were carping
> about.
Ah. So ignorance is the ultimate weapon. What I do not know, does not exist,
so we can not take any of that in count. I'm having difficulties to continue
this discussion - this is discussing the finer points of philosophy with
single-cell organism.
> >You could have just told me, that you do not even know what we are talking
> >about. Would have made things whole lotta easier.
>
> You should have told me you were wasting my time. But, then, I already
> kind of knew that. If I didn't have time to waste, I wouldn't post to
> adm. Nothing I say is going to make February come any quicker.
It is September forever. For some people.
- PLZI
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:26:00 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Patrick Raymond Hancox wrote:
> > >
> > > "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > What do you have to prove with that post? Look at Windows 2000 Pro,
> 650MB,
> > > a
> > > > base installation, compare that to, say, Redhat Linux, which maybe a
> > > little
> > > > bigger in size, but includes valuable third party tools such as tar,
> gzip,
> > > > and StarOffice.
> > >
> > > a single UDMA66 20Gb drive sells for about $180 or so, last i looked.
> 650Mg
> > > (which, i'm guessing, includes your page file) is not much of a problem.
> >
> > Bloat-ware is bloatware, no matter how much it costs.
> >
> > Bloat is one of the reasons why LoseDOS performance SUCKS!
>
> That'd change if CS students were forced, for at least one semester, to
> write assembly code for a small 65xx based system with 8K. Learning how to
> do things compactly and efficiently would be the result.
68xx would be better.
The 65xx line is only appropriate for industrial microcontrollers
and toys.
> --
> Tom Wilson
> A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
>
> <snip>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:25:57 -0500
"ben@z" wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donn says...
>
> >
> >As I said before, the main strength of Java is the ability to code
> >internet apps very easily w/ a C++ like language. Also, it's perfect
> >for e-commerce apps, because Java apps run inside a web browser. VB
> >doesn't do this.
> >
>
> Java has many advantages over Java.
Did you mean to write that?
Colin Day
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