Linux-Advocacy Digest #717, Volume #30            Thu, 7 Dec 00 14:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Training sources in Washington, DC or Northern Virginia ("David Rorabaugh")
  Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("tony roth")
  Linux lacks ("Pedro Coto")
  Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: What if Linux wasn't free? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "David Rorabaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Training sources in Washington, DC or Northern Virginia
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:25:07 GMT

I'm a network manager looking for training classes in the DC or NoVA area.
I'm a CNE and MCP, but I'm completely new to Linux. I'd like something that
covers all the fundamentals, then looks specifically at using Linux from a
Internet services perspective (mail, news, web, ftp hosts).

Can anyone recommend a local training provider? So far, I've been finding
much less than I expected to find.

Email responses preferred...



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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:20:34 -0500 
From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever

what linux distro is c2 compliant?

"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, obviously this is not true, as typical Unix machines have achieved
> C2 security.  Initiating a login *is* a "user mode" program.




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From: "Pedro Coto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux lacks
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:46:49 GMT


   I do use GNU/Linux at my home since Slackware 1.0
and at my work sice 1998 (here only for serving or
firewalling purposes), and I like the evolution it is
having because it is improving itself in each field, both
as server or desktop machine.

   Still I do not use it as my only desktop machine for
the fdollowing reasons all of them I hope will be
soon solved (meanwhile I do use Windows) :

   1) I play some games that can only be used
       under Windows (including Age of Empires
       II or Escape from Monkey Island).

   2) I can only view at acceptable frames in my
       machine (K6-2/350 and 256MB SDRAM)
       MPEG-4 movies under Windows 98/Me.

   3) I can only browse webpages (and besides I
       like it more than any other) with IE, knowing
      that I would be able to render each of them. Of
      course I do use Windows 2000 for this one,
      since IE under 98/Me is too unstable for me.
      Netscape 6 or Konqueror can't replace IE for
      me yet.

   4) Outlook Express is my favourite news reader
       and Knode is not still ready in my opinion.

   5) The same for KMail, I still prefer Eudora, though
        KMail almos satisfies me.

   6) When I am going to write an article, I choose
       Word. Using AbiWord, KWord or StarOffice
       be it 5.1 or 5.2 is not for me.

   The fact is that despite the great evolution and
improvements GNU/Linux has achieved, is (for
me) still unusable at full experience for desktop
purposes ... though it is getting nearer.

   At serving purposes, GNU/Linux is for me
a good choice, even when still improving some
crucial areas like Netfilter (firewalling purposes)
or khttpd (kernel static HTTP server). And do not
forget khttpd was born (if I am right) to reach NT
performance on Mindcracft tests.

   Just saying which things GNU/Linux does lack
nowadays to be used as a desktop machine (for me)
together with a more easy configuration method (for
just computer-users, no computers-advocates like
you or me).

   In this post I am not saying Windows 98/Me or
NT/2000 is the perfect OS, just I do use them for
some things each, as well as I do use GNU/Linux for
other things. And I am fed up of having to use
multiple OS's to get what I want ... I guess when
I will have the complete OS :-)




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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:51:00 -0500

tom wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Yes.  I've never had such problems.  ...always been sharp.
> > > >
> > > > Matrox Millenium (circa 1996), and Riva TNT
> > > >
> > > > Both running at 1600x1200 on a Panasonic E21.
> > >
> > > Don't take this as a Linux slam, but things are fine under
> Windows.  I
> > > don't know what Linux is doing differently.  Perhaps a different
> > > resolution (currently 800x600) or Window manager?
> >
> > what part of "always been sharp" do you not understand?
> 
> You didn't specify what whether you were using KDE or what.  I thought
> there might be a difference in how the different environments would
> work, though as I understand it, Xwindow is the only part that actually
> interfaces with the hardware.

It's sharp with EVERY windows manager.


> 
> Tom
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:00:31 -0500

Uncle Fester wrote:
> 
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > Netscape 6 got bad reviews in the Linux world, which was my point.
> 
> OK, agreed.  I don't care for N6 myself and don't use it.  I'm still
> running the 4.x series, and probably will be for a while.
> 

ditto.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Several items (Re: Nothing to say but, WOW)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:04:49 -0500

Stephen King wrote:
> 
> sfcybear wrote:
> >
> > "...server hosting more than 1500 virtual Linux servers simultaneously."
> >
> >  http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2000-12-07-001-01-PS
> 
> Puny.
> 
> From ZDNet today:
> 
> IBM scored a Linux coup Wednesday as Telia, Scandinavia's largest
> telecommunications and Internet service provider, announced it was
> replacing its 70 Sun Microsystems Inc. Web hosting servers with a single
> IBM mainframe S/390 G6 enterprise server...
> 
> The S/390 is able to host up to 30,000 virtual Linux servers at the same
> time, using IBM's VM (Virtual Machine) operating system.
> 
> ###
> 
> On viruses: If Microsoft didn't write such security-free software we
> wouldn't have these wee beasties. Be glad that the virii have done so
> little damage - if early one's hadn't forced MS to clean up their act we
> might now have a mega-virus wiping out ALL windows machines completely.
> (not that that would bother me in the slightest) No disease - no
> resistance.
> 
> ZDNet earlier this week reported that 1,000 new viruses a month are
> appearing.
> This is simply due to Microsoft's FUNDAMENTAL LACK OF ADEQUATE SECURITY.
> 
> ###
> 
> On reliability and uptime:
> 
> I'm using a little old IRIX system here - last time it stopped working
> was because I turned it off to reroute the cabling behind my desk.
> 
> 38  > uptime
>   9:00am  up 64 days, 14:20,  5 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.17, 0.18
> 
> Here's one of the Linux servers I manage:
> 
>   8:59am  up 71 days, 20:22,  1 user,  load average: 0.05, 0.13, 0.14
> 
> Now look at Netcraft's longest uptimes:
> 
>         http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
> 
> Not a single Windows box in the top 50.
> 
> Number one is an IRIX machine, 855 days.
> 
> ###
> 
> Further, I develop in Python/Perl/PHP3/MySQL all of which run on any
> *nix. My code is completely portable to virtually all *nix platforms.
> 
> So, what was it we needed Microsoft for? To get rich from the production
> of lame, bloated, overpriced, closed, anticompetitive code?

No.. we need Microsoft so that drooling idiots who can do no
more than point & click can call themselves "administrators"


> 
> Flame away!
> 
> --
>  Porsche Boxster 88,295,395 Club-Z points away
>  Stephen J King  ::  RR2 Utopia Canada L0M 1T0
> --


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:06:41 -0500

Swangoremovemee wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:05:26 GMT, tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Check this out.  NOW in trying to open the pdf's of the ebooks that
> >came with Mandrake, neither Xpdf nor gv will open them because of some
> >problem with the books' encryption?!?  This is giving me a headache.
> >
> >Tom
> 
> Get used to it because you seem to be discovering already that simple
> tasks under Windows become adventures under Linux.

and simple tasks under Linux are IMPOSSIBLE under Windows.

you know...like changing the IP address AND keeping the machine up.


> 
> After you wade through all of the documentation your eyesight will be
> even worse than it is now.
> 
> Swango
> 
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:07:21 -0500

Swangoremovemee wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:04:37 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Try telling them to do the same thing using vi.
> >
> >much easier.
> >
> >use the /  (find) and n (repeat) keys to get them positioned
> >where you want them to be.
> 
> Ha ha ha. I attended a class on basic Aix system administration and
> when the instructor got to the vi topic he pulled out a set of ear
> muffs because he said all of the beeping drove him crazy. It also
> drove the rest of the class crazy as well.
> 
> vi is the most hostile editor ever made and while programmers may get
> their jollies playing with it that doesn't change that fact.

If it's so hostile...then why do programmers use it?


> 
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:08:23 -0500

Swangoremovemee wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:43:33 GMT, "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >Only a moron installs a new operating system without reading the freaking
> >manual first.  Someone like....  Claire!
> >
> >Bracy
> 
> And only a true idiot would continue to actually use it after seeing
> what a lame piece of junk Linux is.'

That must be why Toyota is using RedHat 6.2 as the IT base
for their dealership network.



> 
> So who is Claire?
> 
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:08:58 -0500

Swangoremovemee wrote:
> 
> Would anyone but nerds be interested?
> 
> I doubt it.
> 
> The only reason the big companies are jumping on the Linux bandwagon
> is because they figure if it catches on (doubtful at best) they can
> make a buck selling hardware and services.

Toyota is planning on selling computers and services?


> 
> It has such a dismal market share amongst desktop users now, that if
> it were commercial it would be dead by now.
> 
> Point is Linux can't even be given away because no desktop user in his
> right mind (programmers are not in their right minds) would want it.
> 
> As Redhat and SuSE and Corel move toward commercializing Linux, and
> don't kid yourself that is their ultimate goal, to make money, Linux
> will be even deader than it is now.
> 
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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