Linux-Advocacy Digest #717, Volume #32 Fri, 9 Mar 01 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Ian Davey)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Peter Hayes)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Ian Davey)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (WJP)
Re: MS Security (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Roberto Alsina)
> 40 Bank's hacked by russion mafia: NT servers of course ("Frank Crawford")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone? (Nick Condon)
Re: GPL, an open mind, options? (mlw)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: MS Security (mlw)
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:11:23 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > I have no idea what you're talking about here.
> >
> > I had no doubt about that. But it's your problem, not mine.
> >
> > [snipped the rest because writer has no idea of what he's answering
> > about]
>
> Fuck off Giuliano, this is about as disengenuos as you can get, and highly
> dishonest.
>
> Come back when you can actually contribute to a discussion.
>
Eric, he actually did that. You do not have any idea what you´re talking
about, absolutely.
He talked about the nightmare of the win-API, and he´s right.
As long as you´re inside MFC or OWL, no problem. The problem starts
as soon as you have to go outside that cozy stuff because you need
something not really special, but not MFC / OWL - provided function.
Just to search for it is a nightmare. Those win-API-Names are not at all
logically named, for starters. In OS/2, IBM (and at the beginning MS) named
the functions logically, you could find something quite fast. In win, that
is simply impossible. You know that a function should be there, but to find
it can take hours if you´re unlucky.
Peter
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Und for allem: Hoer auf, mich hier mit Followups zu nerven. Du hast
auf mich nicht zu antworten. Weder oeffentlich noch per PM.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Also halte in Zukunft bitte die Klappe, wenn Du mit mir redest.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Und wenn wir dieses Kindergartenblabla von ADSL mal in die Puetz
hauen und das mal von unten nach oben richtig implementieren, wird
es da auch keine Probleme geben.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then
hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and
smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism."
Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
We are Borg. Resistance is futile (Borg Gates)
Fortgeschrittene User werden dann auch langsam anfangen koennen,
etwas selbstaendiger ihr System gezielt fuer gewollte Verbindungen
zu oeffnen.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Und wenn Dein System im Arsch ist, ist es im Arsch.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Du, das ist ein geiles Gefuehl. Das ist so geil, also da musst
Du wirklich aufpassen, dass Dir keiner abgeht, es ist einfach nur
noch oberaffentittenturbogeil.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eine "effektive Standleitung" mit Abrechnung von einzelnen
Verbindungen ist ISDN letztlich auch.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Du hast ganz genau verstanden wie das gemeint war.
Nein. Und ich verstehe sowas aus Prinzip nicht.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
VJ-Compression hat nichts mit dem TCP Header zu tun.
Detlef Bosau in de.comp.os.unix.networking.misc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Are you sure you REALLY want to read this with Netscape?
[ ] YES Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] NO Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
[ ] LOCK UP Crash Windows and soft reboot
[ ] BSOD Crash Windows and hard reboot
begin I-LOVE-WINDOWS.txt.vbs
http://www.klickibunti.org/buntibunti.html
Society against GUI Domination
end
begin I-LOVE-BILLG.txt.vbs
http://www.klickibunti.org/buntibunti.html
Society against GUI Domination
end
begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs
I am a signature virus. Distribute me!
end
The sticker on the side of the box said "Supported Platforms: Win 95,
Win NT 4.0 or better", so clearly Linux was a supported platform.
Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
dumb to handle the real thing.
Microsoft's Product Strategy: "It compiles, let's ship it!"
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge
Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
Linux is like a Wig-Wam: No Gates, No Windows, Apache inside
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:53:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>> > logical/analytical style intelligence, but intelligence is far more wide
>> > ranging than that. I'm not sure human intelligence can truly be measured by
>> > groupings of checkboxes, if it were that easy we would have created
>> > intelligent machines long ago,
>
>We can measure the mass of the Sun. Can we create another Sun?
>
>We can measure Bill Gates' net worth. Can the person who does
>this become as rich as Bill Gates?
>
>You can count the number of characters in an MD5 checksum. Can
>you reproduce the original document from that?
So, if we can create a machine that can score highly at IQ tests then we have
created an intelligent machine?
ian.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:52:26 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 02:39:54 GMT, "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > But if the standard Linux way of printing is to generate PostScript and
> > modify the PostScript to suit the printer, why does it work sometimes and
> > not others?
> >
> > Such that all the user should need to do is File -> Print.
> >
>
> Every time I do that in Windows it tells me I need to install
> a print driver first.
Your Windows is as broken as my Mandrake.
Difference is I've a choice of Linux distro to replace it with, you're
stuck with Billy Gee's bloatware :-)
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:04:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually, as explained in the Scientific American article, this is
>an element of "social graces" which is ENTIRELY independant of the
>intelligence factor "g"
I'll have to read that article, don't have time now unfortunately.
>Also, this is an example of the "street smarts" phenomenon. Those
>who find themselves in fucked-up situtations on a regular basis tend
>to have stock-solutions to get themselves out of it....
What about those with low IQ that aren't street smart and don't have
experience to fall back on? Are you suggesting that people with high IQ are
poor at applying that intelligence in real life situations?
>http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/1198intelligence/1198gottfred.html
I'll try and have a look at this when I've got a spare moment.
>See also "The Bell Curve" by Murray and Herrnstein.
Interesting, but fundamentally flawed and overly simplistic. The conclusions
are far too generic considering how many factors have to be taken into
account. Lot's of others in the same field disagree so you can hardly offer it
as definative proof.
ian.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:51:33 GMT
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> He talked about the nightmare of the win-API, and he´s right.
> As long as you´re inside MFC or OWL, no problem. The problem starts
> as soon as you have to go outside that cozy stuff because you need
> something not really special, but not MFC / OWL - provided function.
> Just to search for it is a nightmare. Those win-API-Names are not at all
> logically named, for starters. In OS/2, IBM (and at the beginning MS) named
> the functions logically, you could find something quite fast. In win, that
> is simply impossible. You know that a function should be there, but to find
> it can take hours if you´re unlucky.
Yeah, just how many Get/Set functions can ya have?
Chris
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:47:20 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mike wrote:
>
> > e:\>which qbasic
> > C:\WINNT\system32\qbasic.exe
> > e:\>
>
> Cute - do the unix-like commands come with
> win 2k now or is that an add-on?
Probably add-on like cgywin
XP is coming with a larage set of CLI commands.
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From: WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:03:23 -0600
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:49:15 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Byron A Jeff wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >And, as an aside, I did a web search the other day for Linux drivers for
>> >my ATI Rage 64 video card. And, to my amazement, I found a set of
>> >drivers - at a cost of $89 (US) - which is not too far away from the
>> >price I originally paid for the video card. It appears that I will be
>> >"stuck" with the svga Linux drivers for awhile, at least.
>>
>> This is one of my favorite cards. The XFree86 Mach64 driver works
>> beautifully on it.
>
>Same here -
>
>> What exactly are you looking for in terms of a driver?
>
>Perhaps he means hardware 3D acceleration support?
>
>jjs
Perzactly.
Regards,
Bill Powell
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Security
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:01:58 GMT
"Bryant Charleston, MCSE" wrote:
>
> Now THIS is scary!
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > >
> > >http://www.sans.org/newlook/alerts/NTE-bank.htm
"The investigations have disclosed several organized hacker
groups from Eastern Europe, specifically Russia and
the Ukraine, that have penetrated U.S. e-commerce
computer systems by exploiting vulnerabilities in unpatched
Microsoft Windows NT operating systems."
I guess that explains why my credit card bill reported two
ten-dollar (at the current conversion from rubles) transactions
from INET MOSCOW a few months ago.
> > http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00220010308bot01.htm
The greed and avarice of William H. Gates will be omnipresent.
Chris
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:25:59 +0000
> I understand enough to know it's broken.
LOL!
>> And yet there are mounds of people still trying desparately to explain
>> things to you in very small words so that you can be sure to
>> understand, yet for some reason, you never actually understand.
>
> I understand well enough to see you're not listening to a word I say.
>
>> EVERYONE isnt wrong, pete. You are.
>
> I'm not saying everyong is wrong. Pay attention. I'm saying The Gimp is
> wrong.
Fine. You're getting the point at last!
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:29:37 +0000
>> Your claims included but were not limited to that. In your ignorance,
>> you continued to make many erroneous claims about the printing system
>> under Linux. I attempted to correct these mistakes, but you refused to
>> listen and carried on spouting the same old crap over and over and over
>> again.
>
> Because your corrections were not germain to the matter at hand.
So you want me to let everyone who doesn't know better to believe the
crap you spout? No way. If you make a mistake that I can correct, I'll
correct it. You made a mistake. A correction was relavent. You were
blaming Linux for a GIMP problem.
>> Since you started making erroneous claims, my explanations were
>> relavent. If you look back, that is where and why I joined the thread.
>
> See above.
>
>> I'm not bored of repeating myself. For some reason, you can not accept
>> or will not accept that every app should print postscript by default
>
> That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
> Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
> something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
Yes, the gimp makes a mistake. You finally admit that. About time.
Anyway, name me an OS where you can't do it.
Before you even think of naming windows, try this command:
print /D:lpt1 c:\command.com
-Ed
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:29:42 -0300
Peter Hayes wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:25:29 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Pete Goodwin wrote:
>> >> I'm not bored of repeating myself. For some reason, you can not accept
>> >> or will not accept that every app should print postscript by default
>> >
>> > That's precisely my point. I couldn't care less if it uses Postscript,
>> > Forth, Java or your-favourite-language-of-the-week. The Gimp does
>> > something different. How can this be on a decent, up to date OS?
>>
>> That is an additional feature. If you want to do it the windows-way,
>> don't configure anything regarding printing in the gimp, and it will
>> generate postscript as any other app.
>
> And as we have discovered, Mandrake will print the postscript without any
> filtering. Other Linuxes might filter it for your specific printer, but
> Mdk doesn't.
I have another data point. I have seen a broken setup that didn't recognize
some postscript files as postscript and then dumped them as-is.
It depends on what the generated postscript says in the header.
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Roberto Alsina
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From: "Frank Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: > 40 Bank's hacked by russion mafia: NT servers of course
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:27:32 +0000
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17456.html
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:31:03 +0000
>> That is an additional feature. If you want to do it the windows-way,
>> don't configure anything regarding printing in the gimp, and it will
>> generate postscript as any other app.
>
> And as we have discovered, Mandrake will print the postscript without
> any filtering. Other Linuxes might filter it for your specific printer,
> but Mdk doesn't.
>From what I've gathered, it isn't a Mdk problem. Mdk uses CUPS which
allows a `raw' flag to be set for the data, which GIMP likes to set.
Other distros use lp? which don't seem to allow a raw flag.
-ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Subject: Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone?
Date: 9 Mar 2001 12:39:29 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>http://www.netslaves.com/comments/983976069.shtml
Nothing new. Same old "Linux should be more like Windows" fallacy.
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Nick
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL, an open mind, options?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:43:14 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
> Uh.. can someone define this RMS stuff?? I have a background in VMS and it
> uses rms.
> Its confusing!
If this isn't a joke, it's pretty funny. RMS is Richard Stallman, they guy who
wrote the GPL.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:42:17 +0000
>> Some linux application do as well (gimp, WordPerfect 7), but the vast
>> majority don't.
>
> Not so.
Yes so. Some do, but the majority don't.
> StarOffice 5.2 has its own drivers, or offers "system" drivers, I'm not
> sure which, but I suspect it has its own because a driver for my Epson
> Stylus Color doesn't appear on its list. In any event, the StarOffice
> test page just form feeds the paper, but prints nothing, so that's one
> Linux product that's useless for me... not surprising, I guess, if it
> doesn't have a driver for my printer and fails to route print data via
> CUPS.
You can set up a generic postscript driver on soffice. You can also set
it to pipe that generic postscript to a command of your choice. I have it
set up to pipe to lpr. Works fine.
> LyX looks nice, but it also merely exercises the form feed motor.
> Looking at the documentation, it has a massively convoluted system for
> printing, which keeps the processor working flat out for several
> minutes, but all it produces is a blank page.
Odd. IIRC, LyX produces a LaTeX file, LaTeX's it, dvips' it then prints
it. That never took very long on my computer. Anyway, sounds like your
printer isn't set up properly.
Try printing this:
%!PS-Adobe-3.0
100 100 moveto
172 100 lineto
172 172 lineto
100 172 lineto
fill
showpage
%cut here
You should get a 1"x1" box in the bottom left of the page. if not, your
printer is incorrectly set up.
> I'm sure a little more research will uncover swathes of apps that have
> their own ideas about printing.
The majority don't.
> So it's not quite true to say that "the vast majority" don't have their
> own drivers. It's a lottery whether your app will print using the
> so-called
> "installed" or "default" printer.
It is true. There are a few which have their own drivers, but most print
postscript.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:45:51 +0000
>> Thanks for your help, but I'm going to jettison this Mandrake stuff,
>> it's just too stupid for words, or maybe I'm just too stupid for it...
>
> I've finally got a copy of SuSE 7.1 Personal. I've only had it one day,
> but it installed without any flaws and so far I only have one issue with
> it.
Looks like an end to the rants about your bolloxed computer. Thank god...
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:47:52 +0000
> All I wanted to do was to get LyX to print...
>
If all else fails:
export as a LaTeX doc
LaTeX it
dvips it (RH is set up to print DVI files directly)
print it.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:49:39 +0000
> In the Windows world there appears to be a unified printing model.
> Constrast this with the chaos that appears in the Linux world.
Look, just shut up. You have no clue, really.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:52:45 +0000
>> Save yourself. He has no understanding of the system and absoloutely
>> will not learn.
>
> I could say the same about you. You're not _listening_ to what I've been
> saying.
I know what you've been saying.
Why will you not accept the following facts:
If an app prints non raw postscript to a printer under Linux, it will
print correctly. This is a unified printer model.
Windows apps can `do it thier own way' too.
Under both OS's, you have to set up the printer first.
There is very little difference.
-Ed
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Security
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:00:37 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> >http://www.sans.org/newlook/alerts/NTE-bank.htm
> >
> >
> >Charlie
> >
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00220010308bot01.htm
>
> Charlie
This is something I just don't get.
Microsoft is crying because people are casually copying Windows. OK, even if
the accusations are true, Microsoft is one of the most profitable software
companies around. Why does it matter?
In an environment where there was viable competition, no sane company would
risk pissing of its user base. Quite the contrary, in real competitive
environments, dongles have almost disappeared because it pissed off the user
base, and the users would purchase the software that did not limit them.
This whole XP registration thing also strikes me as EVIL in many ways. If I buy
a piece of software, it is perfectly legal for me to install it and use it at
home and at work as long as I did not use the software on the two machines at
the same time. The XP registration of Office precludes this activity.
This is just proof Microsoft has no competition on the desktop, and the
arrogance is overwhelming. We need to push Linux on the desktop much harder.
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