Linux-Advocacy Digest #807, Volume #30 Mon, 11 Dec 00 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux is awful ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows review ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (javelina)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (Nick Ruisi)
Re: windoze is awful ("Adam Short")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Nick Ruisi)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:55:30 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:acZY5.42330$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> >
> > | What do you do when you have large amounts of anything?
> >
> > Use a CLI. :=)
> >
> > If I only have a few files in the intended directory then the GUI is
> > just fine. Keeping oneself organised helps.
> >
> > | For your
> > | example starting Windows Explorer, I have to scroll down through
> > | a page and a half of programs before I get to it. Likewise, the
> > | directories
> > | and files I want are often out of sight and take extra work to bring
> into
> > | view.
> >
> > I only come up on that problem when looking through the system folders.
> > At that stage I use either the CLI or the search utility to display the
> > files I need to see.
>
> The folders aren't so much of a problem as the menus because you
> can at least type one letter of a name to jump somewhere that might
> be close (depending...).
Why are the menus a problem?
> > | Is there an equivalent to a shortcut key to get to a particular
> > | program on the program menu?
> >
> > Yes, creating shortcuts to commonly used programs on either the desktop,
> > the start menu or the quicklaunch bar? It avoids having to wade through
> > the programs menu.
>
> Again, this doesn't scale. With more than a few things there it isn't
> quick any more and you just duplicate the problem you had in the
> menu.
Then setup shortcut keys and just memorize them.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:56:41 +0200
"Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>
> | Having to use keys whilsts using a GUI sort of defeats one of the main
> | object of having a GUI, especially in Windows, is so that it is easy
> | for people to use without having to memorise shortcut keys.
>
> If you put the word 'exclusively' before 'use' in your first sentence,
> I'd agree with you completely on that. :=)
Had to use a mousless computer recently, I've to admit that I simply
switching to CLI made it all so much comfortable.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:58:02 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:DEWY5.42303$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:wlhY5.10885$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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> > > | 1) Open a copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the source folder
> > > | 2) Select the files to copy
> > > | 3) Right-click, "copy"
> > > | 4) Open a second copy of Windows Explorer, browse to the target
folder
> > >
> > > You don't even have to do that. Just browse to the folder in the same
> > > explorer window and do a drag and drop operation.
> >
> > Yes... but the original post, IIRC, was asking about managing multiple
> > folders; two windows is the easier approach, allowing you to use one as
a
> > target.
>
> Actually what I thought I asked was how to use a GUI program that
> only remembered one directory when working between two
> different and long directories. For example, loading a file from
> one location into an editor and saving the result to the other
> repeatedly. I did know about parking a 2nd copy of explorer in
> a different place, but you can't do much except copy and move
> with it.
In this case, you have no other choice but either wade through your
directory structure, or memorize the paths and write them in the open, so it
would bring you there.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:02:12 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90urcm$g3t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > But the key-strokes aren't graphical features, and most functions
> > > still require using the mouse, whereas CLI based programs always use
> > > quick key patterns.
> >
> > No, they aren't, you can do practically everything via the keyboard.
> > And CLI isn't always better.
> > Frex, how do I move all the files above 10MB from directory A to
directory
> B
> > using cli?
>
> Don't blame the lack of cli tools on your chosen platform on the concept
> of the cli. In unix-like systems this would be:
> find A -size +1000k -exec mv \{\} B \;
> or
> mv `find A -size +1000k -print` B
>
> This makes it obvious how you would get a list of such files that
> you can use in other contexts too. How do you generate a list
> of the files that matched your selections into a file or editor
> buffer in a GUI? In vi, you might use :r !find A -size +1000k -print
> to read the output of the command into the buffer where you
> want it.
Thanks for the info.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:06:46 +0200
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9119oe$847$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <C9UY5.4194$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:910m0d$p59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > 2 different methods, both show W2K unstable:
> > >
> > > www.netcraft.com
> > > www.uptimes.net
> > >
> > > Eric thinks he knows how the Netcraft numbers are retrieved.
> >
> > Yes, I believe I do. And the data is completely unreliable unless you
> know
> > for certain that the machine is connected directly to the net without
> any
> > kind of firewall or filtering router.
>
>
> Prove it! Unless you can prove that, you have proven nothing. Of course
> if you read the FAQ's Netcraft explains EXACTLY what happens for each
> case you mention above. None of which makes the data completely
> unreliable. You just can not be sure of what machine is returning the
> data!
Point me to the place where I can read "EXACTLY" how they fetch my uptime
from the web.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:12:35 +0200
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > No, PWS stands for Personal Web Server.
>
> Strangely enough, it also stands for Peer Web Services. Which is what I
> meant.
Okay, my abbrevation understanding is limited to one phrase per abbrevation,
so it seems.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:43:31 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > |
> > | I agree with you on this, but the root cause is a _poor_ design of the
> > | OS. Or actually, from what I know of windows, no design of the OS,
> > | just add whatever to it (like ie). The fact that a critical system
> > | file, like the registry, or dll's can be overwritten by installing an
> > | application is just unbelievable. No wonder windows systems are so
> > | fragile.
> >
> > I agree that this is a problem which affected NT as well, though bad
> > registry entries are added by apps; I don't know of the registry being
> > overwritten by apps. However, Win2k comes with system file protection
> > that prevents apps from overwriting these dlls winny-nilly. Just the
> > other day I was trying a piece of software and got the message from
> > Win2k that the installation was trying to replace a system dll and that
> > this would be prevented. Of course the application malfunctioned, but
> > who cares ... good riddance.
>
> Does that mean you can no longer download an update to IE (something
> that typically replaces a bunch of system dlls), or does MS only
> block competitors apps from installing?
IE updates to Win2k is severly limited.
It can't replace system files, so it end up with only updating the browser.
Read here for the warning:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/download/ie55sp1.htm
Here is the KB article that explain why:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q256/3/40.asp
Here is how the System File Protection works on win2K:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q222/1/93.ASP
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:49:52 GMT
[snips]
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> What do you do when you have large amounts of anything? For your
> example starting Windows Explorer, I have to scroll down through
> a page and a half of programs before I get to it.
Try WindowsKey+E. Two keystrokes. Or put it in your menu folder, say at
the top; then it's accessed by WindowsKey+Cursor Down+Enter. Or by two
mouse clicks. Or put it in your quicklaunch bar; one mouse click.
> Likewise, the
> directories
> and files I want are often out of sight and take extra work to bring into
> view. Is there an equivalent to a shortcut key to get to a particular
> program on the program menu?
You can, actually, define some hotkeys of your own. Failing that, if you
find the default layout inconvenient, do what I do: put things where _you_
find them most convenient. I like to have Word, for example, in the
quicklaunch bar - one mouse click, there it is. I also like to have Windows
Explorer in the top spot on my start menu.
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From: javelina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:33:41 GMT
Static66 wrote:
> Having spent a few years in the california desert
> myself, let me turn away from the arguement a minute
> and ask. Did you get to the Joshua Tree Nat'l monument
> [Nat'l park now]?? I think it is one of the most
> beautiful places I have ever been. I love the desert...
No, afraid that I haven't. I didn't even know that
it's in that area. I spent most of my time at NTC
playing Army and trying to locate and capture
two-man OPFOR (Soviet) recon teams. If I got any
free time, all I wanted to do was shower, grab
a cheeseburger, and sleep.
But I do love the desert. And as a desert lover,
maybe you are familiar with the phrase "Hayduke Lives!".
<g>
I lived on the north edge of the desert around
Mud Lake, Idaho. Though maybe it's not a real
desert, I don't know how much little rainfall
constitutes a true desert, but it's very dry.
On the northeast edge is a cliff composed entirely
of fossils of ancienct seabed life. Very cool.
I'd often go traipsing off through it on foot.
About every 30 meters or so there'd be a small anthill,
which was curious but I never much thought about it.
Then one day I was up in a neighboring rancher's
small plane spotting for antelope and looking down
from the air you could see that these anthills were
evenly spread everywhere over the whole terrain.
The entire area, hundreds of square miles was really
just a big ant reserve. Amazing when you stopped to
think about it. Untold billions of them.
This desert was actually teeming with life, if you
looked close enough. Though maybe it's not a real
desert and is just classified as very dry with
sparse vegetation. I'd definately call the lava
beds desert though, even now after all this time
very little grows there.
What's also amazing is to rarely catch a sight of
snow/ice deep down inside a lava tube, the insulative
qualities of lava are impressive, in the middle of
the summer.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:21:39 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:lFUY5.4221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:90vtdh$2f8aa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> Here we go again Erik...
> > > >> _How_ many 1000's of debian bugs? and how many of them are things
> like
> > > >> Apache or sendmail, things that aren't counted on the M$ side?
> > > >
> > > >IIS and SMTP are certainly counted on the Win2k bug tracking.
> > >
> > > How can you possibly have any idea what is counted on the win2k
> > > bug tracking database unless you are one of the win2k development
> > > team?
> >
> > I don't know for sure, but one can make a reasoned guess. Are you
> > suggesting that Win2k's bug database only includes it's kernel? Win2k is
> a
> > product. That means that a bug reported against Win2k goes into the
> Win2k's
> > bug database, thus anything included with Win2k, including IIS and it's
> SMTP
> > server are included.
>
> Beside, what is the size of Win2K's kernel anyway?
> You really think that there could be so many bugs in the kernel itself?
Given previous experiences, definitely YES.
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From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:01:51 -0500
~ snip ~
Right now, it's a matter of
available applications.
~ snip
Go check out http://www.vmware.com. For what isnt ported to linux, will
run in a virtual machine! I've been using Red Hat 7.0 & X at my place of
business (a WinShrine) for a month now.
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From: "Adam Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: windoze is awful
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:34:52 -0000
This has to be the most common cause of Linux crashes I've ever seen.
Although I've never had Netscape lock up my machine completely, obviously it
does happen. Makes you wonder why so many people still put up with this
piece of crap. Have you tried Konqueror? I think its great. I think a lot of
it is still unfortunately based on Netscape (or rather Mozilla) but it
certainly makes browsing the web a more enjoyable experience than Netscape
does. There is no horrible default grey background (Yahoo in grey, ugghh!)
and the text is actually shown at a reasonable size, in a readable font. No
more squinting to look at 5pt text or trying to decipher a word in a font so
blocky and crap you can't work out where one letter ends and the next
begins. Kudos to the KDE guys on that one.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:33:11 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:lFUY5.4221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:90vtdh$2f8aa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> Here we go again Erik...
> > > > >> _How_ many 1000's of debian bugs? and how many of them are things
> > like
> > > > >> Apache or sendmail, things that aren't counted on the M$ side?
> > > > >
> > > > >IIS and SMTP are certainly counted on the Win2k bug tracking.
> > > >
> > > > How can you possibly have any idea what is counted on the win2k
> > > > bug tracking database unless you are one of the win2k development
> > > > team?
> > >
> > > I don't know for sure, but one can make a reasoned guess. Are you
> > > suggesting that Win2k's bug database only includes it's kernel? Win2k
is
> > a
> > > product. That means that a bug reported against Win2k goes into the
> > Win2k's
> > > bug database, thus anything included with Win2k, including IIS and
it's
> > SMTP
> > > server are included.
> >
> > Beside, what is the size of Win2K's kernel anyway?
> > You really think that there could be so many bugs in the kernel itself?
>
> Given previous experiences, definitely YES.
63,000 bugs in the *kernel*?
I doubt the system would even boot, if that was the case.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:49:30 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Ah yes. Typical Liberal: telling me how to live my life.
> I wouldn't be suprised if you voted for Algore.
I am hardly typical. God threw away the mold when he
made me, same as he did for Lucifer. Here's my proof,
which you, as a conservative, should find significant:
when I was naughty, my mother used to call me
"Chrucifer", nyuk!
You've got a warped groove, man.
--
C:\> REFORMAT POLITICS
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From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:56:28 -0500
~ snip ~
A degree tells potential employers that you are trainable. So does
military experience, and many other things. I myself do not have a
degree, and I work professionally in the CS/IT field and pull down
halfway decent salary. Most of the developers I work with do not have
degrees, and out of those who do, they do not have them in CS/IT. In
fact only one of seven people on my team actually has a degree in CS
(BTW, we're all windevelopers professionally).
I have to agree with mlw here. While a CS degree may mean a lot more
than a MSCE certificate, it is really just a piece of paper that anyone
can get if they jump through the right hoops.
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