Linux-Advocacy Digest #840, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 07:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: switching to linux ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Re: Suggestions for Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: switching to linux
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:07:47 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "migs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> is there any diff between these distriburtions???
> I'd go with Caldera first, and either Suse or Redhat second. Depends on
> your ability and your requirements. But what the... you've got them
> all, why not install every one of them and then let us know how it
> worked out? That'd be interesting to hear your opinions about them.
My advice only applies if you have a handy local expert: Go with whatever
your handy local expert advises, since your turn-around on queries will be
much lower than virtually any online offering.
Donal.
--
"If something like this happened in the real world, not only would I be under
NDA, but I would also be afraid of having my own personal butt involved in
the legal equivalent of the massacre of Little Big Horn, with the lawyers
starring as the Indians." -- Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:19:01 -0000
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:48:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>>
>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>> >>
>>> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >> Actually, the REAL problem is that the ECO-NUTS in California shut
>>> >> >> down practically every fission power project that came down the pike
>>> >> >> in the 1970's.
>>> >>
>>> >> Blame the correct cause. Every project under design or planning being canceled
>>> >> by the utilities after Three-Mile Island.
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >So...big fucking deal.
>>>
>>> >Three Mile Island was a text-book example of a nuclear power plant shutting
>>> >down EXACTLY AS DESIGNED.
>>>
>>> You're clueless here. It did not shutdown as designed, that's why there was a
>>> partial meltdown.
>>>
>>> >Anybody who interprets TMI as a failure in nuclear engineering
>>> >has their head deeeeeeeeeply inside their rectum.
>>>
>>> So according to you, all the utilities that cancelled plants didn't know what
>>> they were doing. You need to learn more before you shoot off. Remember the
>>> phrase "its the economy stupid." Well in this case, "It was economics
>>> stupid."
>>>
>>FYI, TMI safety worked as designed. The TMI incident released *less*
>>radiation into the atmosphere than a natural gas powered plant releases *each
>>day*.
>
>And your point is what? That TMI was proven a safe plant by this point? --
READ what was written.
The impact of the TMI "disaster" was less than the designed
impact of a non-fission power plant.
[deletia]
Things break. Good Engineers account for this.
As long as the entire system operates to within acceptable
specifications, botched individual details only serve to
sensationalize the subject and prevent a rational cost
benefit analysis from taking place.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:20:59 -0000
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:36:45 -0500, Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You forget, that to 90% of windows-oriented users, the term "compile" is
>like mentioning black magic.
Nah... it's "read and follow instructions" that is the real
_Black Magic_...
>
>
>kiwiunixman wrote:
>>
>> No, what he probably did was download the latest kernel, downloaded the
>> patch from the Iomega website, compile, and you're in business! not a
>> very hard task for person(s) who can read, and follow instructions, like me.
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> <snype>
--
Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
in once they've made a bad initial decision.
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Linux
Date: 13 Dec 2000 04:21:59 -0500
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>And how are you going to pipe one command to another if there is no command
>>>>line?
>> By getting a reel OS and using reel softwair that has graffix and not pipes.
>So, you want drag-and-drop pipes with graphically superior 3D textures?
>The idea is fun. And it's so crazy someone might actually develop it.
Microsoft wil do it then Linux wil take 10 yeres to coppy it.
>
>--
>Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>A LISP programmer knows the value of everything, but the cost of
>nothing.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:40:39 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Jeffersonian liberalism is about freeing the individual.
> >
> > Modern (left-wing) "liberalism" is all about enslavement.
> >
> > Thus, their very self-designated monicker IS Newspeak.
> >
> > >
> > > Man, you are one crazy cat!
>
> And that last clause goes for you, too.
>
> I think I'll just call myself a freethinker. Too many
> people have projected their own delusions onto the
> word "liberal".
If you think left-wing liberalism is about freedom, I suggest
that you go visit North Korea, Russia, China or Cuba, or talk
to any of the millions who risked their lives to escape the
Warsaw Pact countries to North America.
>
> Chris
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:43:44 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>> I've adjusted my statement, to, "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >>> of movment of the arm to get the pinkie up to the esc key, but it's
> >>> so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my consious thought,
> >>> and it doesn't fucking matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch'
> >>> motion, which doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion
> >>> does.
>
> >> I'll adjust my statement as well: "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >> of movement of the arm to get the pinkie down to the cursor keys, but
> >> it's so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my conscious thought,
> >> and it doesn't matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch' motion, which
> >> doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion does.
>
> > You enjoy this game of replacing what I say fill-in-the-blank style,
>
> Enjoyment has nothing to do with it. I'm simply noting that whatever
> you can say about Esc can be applied equally well to the cursor keys.
>
> > but the difference is that what I said was actually true.
>
> What I said is also actually true. Where is the alleged difference?
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:44:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>> And that somehow makes the use of hjkl for cursor movement intuitive?
>
> >>> It is neither intuitive nor non-intuitive, since the term is so
> >>> relative that you've have to spend a long time detailing all the
> >>> user's previous circumstances before you can make a statement
> >>> either way on it.
>
> >> How many users have previous editor experience where the cursor is
> >> controlled by the hjkl keys?
>
> Note: no response.
>
> >>> Simply saying, "never used vi before" isn't enough.
>
> >> Fortunately, I've said more than that.
>
> > True enough. It still isn't enough to just say, 'never used a text
> > editor before' either.
>
> Irrelevant, given that I didn't say just that either.
>
> > Arguing whether something is intuitive or
> > not CANNOT BE DONE UNIVERSALLY.
>
> Irrelevant, given that I didn't argue that either.
>
> > That is my point.
>
> Why make an irrelevant point? If you'd been paying attention, you'd
> already know that I've said that intuition is not an absolute.
>
> > You have to give a *HUGE* list of pre-conditions, one little sentence
> > like that isn't enough to narrow it down.
>
> Fortunately, I've given more than that one little sentence.
>
> > That's why arguing whether or not something is "intuitive" is silly.
>
> I don't find it silly. If you do, then why are you arguing about it?
>
> > It's too vague and slippery a term.
>
> I disagree. Just because it isn't an absolute doesn't necessarily
> make it "vague and slippery".
>
> > Unless you feel like getting pendantic enough to list zillions of
> > criteria, the term won't mean anything.
>
> Funny how so many people make valid use of it without listing zillions
> of criteria.
>
> > (This is not the same as what Aaron was saying, that nothing can be
> > intuitive.
>
> That's not what he said. He said that nothing about computers is
> intuitive. He distinctly called a wagon intuitive. It's now quite
> clear where the problem is: you don't pay attention to what you
> read.
>
> > Things can be intuitive, but in a way that is not nearly
> > as universally applicable as the user interface designers trick
> > themselves into thinking.
>
> Who said anything about "universally applicable"?
>
> > There is no such thing as universal user friendliness, and there
> > is no such thing as *universal* intuitiveness.
>
> Irrelevant, given that I haven't encountered anyone in this discussion
> who believes otherwise.
>
> > User interface designers make assumptions about the
> > users' previous experiences without realizing it.)
>
> Some designers do realize it.
>
> >>> I never used it before, the first time I got my hands on
> >>> it, but I picked it up fast. And no, I didn't like it at first,
> >>> I hated the HJKL thing.
>
> >> Liking or hating it isn't the issue. The issue is whether the cursor
> >> movement using those keys was intuitive or not.
>
> >>> But I *did* remember it and not have to waste time looking it up,
>
> >> Remember it from what?
>
> > The first time I looked at the 'cheat sheet', saw the 'hjkl',
>
> Thus you needed to consult a "manual" of sorts.
>
> > I immediately recognized that they must have been chosen because of
> > thier proximity on the keyboard, and *poof*, I never forgot what
> > they were.
>
> Irrelevant, given that intuition is different from ease of remembering
> something.
>
> > I still didn't like the modal nature of it (yet), but
> > I never sat around pulling out my hair going, 'Oh, damn - what was
> > that command again - gee if only it were more intuitive so I could
> > remember.'
>
> Do all such vi commands fall into that category?
>
> >>> so it wasn't a matter of intuitiveness that made me hate it - it
> >>> was that I thought modal editing took too many keystrokes,
> >>> constantly switching modes.
>
> >> That is one of my dislikes as well.
>
> >>> After I got really fast at it, and could compare, I was seeing that
> >>> the modal editing was actually faster for me, precisely becuase I
> >>> had less keys to have to cover with my fingers.
>
> >> It's slower for me. So what? Speed wasn't the issue either.
> >>
> >> Actually, I'm quite surprised at how much the discussion has
> >> diverged from the issue. Seems like vi fans are trying to defend
> >> their choice of editor, as if the comment that the use of hjkl for
> >> cursor movement being non-intuitive was some sort of attack against
> >> which a defense had to be mounted.
>
> > It's becuase you *also* lace your comments with disparaging comments
> > about vi, as side points.
>
> What alleged "disparaging comments"? I simply said that the use of
> hjkl for cursor movement was not intuitive, and the vi defenders showed
> up right after that.
>
> > In usenet, side points like this spawn replies all the time.
>
> What alleged "side points"? I simply said that the use of
> hjkl for cursor movement was not intuitive, and the vi defenders showed
> up right after that.
>
> > It's not surprising at all.
>
> It that supposed to be some sort of justification for your diversions?
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:44:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>> Fortunately, I didn't make such a blanket statement. My comment
> >>>>>> was restricted to the use of hjkl for cursor movement. That's a
> >>>>>> rather small subset of vi.
>
> >>>>> Well, then we'll just have to disagree then. I don't think
> >>>>> that's true for the first time user who hasn't gotten any
> >>>>> preconcieved notions from using other editors first. You think
> >>>>> it is.
>
> >>>> Are you saying that the first-time user *will* know that hjkl
> >>>> moves the cursor around???
>
> >>> No, I'm not.
>
> >> Then where did your "You think it is" come from?
>
> > Sorry, I assumed that when you write things, you mean them.
>
> What did I allegedly write that made you say "You think it is"?
>
> > There I go being presumptuous again.
>
> More like a reading comprehension problem on your part. You also thought
> that Aaron wrote that nothing is intuitive.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:45:29 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
> >>> And then there are the laptops.... :-) Some of those can get
> >>> downright weird.
>
> >> Which is why Steve was being rather presumptuous.
>
> > I admit it - I was being presumptuous in assuming that if you had
> > some unique keyboard layout that was different, that you'd (1) be
> > honest enough to say so in this discussion,
>
> My keyboard layout is hardly unique. That it is different is hardly
> to be unexpected, given the sheer number of different keyboards out
> there.
>
> > and (2) realize that youi're being silly to argue the merits of key
> > layouts for editors based on a very unique situation that won't work
> > for others.
>
> You're once again being presumptuous, given that my situation is
> hardly unique.
>
> > I apologise for presuming you would be honest and forthcoming.
>
> I have been honest and forthcoming.
>
> > Now I know not to make that mistake again.
>
> Where is the alleged mistake in that presumption?
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:45:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>> Neato. Meanwhile us poor humans have fingers that don't bend that
> >>>>> way. For us humans, to move the fingers 8 inches to the left
> >>>>> requires that the *wrist* slides over, which means the the whole
> >>>>> forearm is moving too, hinged at the elbow.
>
> >>>> My keyboard has its cursor keys on the right, at about the same
> >>>> distance from the home row as the Esc key.
>
> >>> Then it doesn't look anything like any keyboard I've ever seen.
>
> >> That's not my problem. You were the presumptumous one.
>
> > Yes, I admit that I presumed you were referring to a keyboard that
> > is actually out on the market somewhere,
>
> I am.
>
> > rather than some home-made thing,
>
> Hardly.
>
> > or some proprietary laptop one-of-a-kind layout.
>
> Hardly one-of-a-kind. I have no idea whether it's considered
> proprietary or not.
>
> > I also presumed you weren't lying.
>
> I'm not.
>
> > Admitedly, those presumptions could have been wrong.
>
> As well as your presumption that the Esc key is closer than the
> cursor keys.
>
> >>> The Escape key is close and easily whackable without
> >>> looking, and without looking you can get your fingers
> >>> right back to the home row without even feeling for the
> >>> keys, my kinestetic sense just knows where to go, because
> >>> I don't have to move the hand more than about 1/2 an inch,
> >>> and that's a stretch-forward motion rather than a swing-
> >>> sideways motion.
>
> >> The cursor keys are close and easily whackable without looking,
> >> and without looking you can get your fingers right back to the
> >> home row without even feeling for the keys, my kinestetic sense
> >> just knows where to go, because I don't have to move the hand
> >> more than about 1/2 an inch, and that's a stretch-backward motion
> >> rather than a swing-sideways motion.
>
> > You enjoy this game of repeating what I say, replacing words with
> > a fill-in-the-blank replacement.
>
> There is no enjoyment involved. I'm simply showing that the same
> situation applies to the cursor keys.
>
> > But there is one key difference:
> > What I said is actually universally true.
>
> Balderdash.
>
> > You are either lying or using some really unique keyboard layout
> > and not telling anyone.
>
> You just contradicted your "universally true" claim. Nevertheless,
> the layout is hardly "unique".
>
> >>> (Which is why it's easy to find the home row - just relax the
>
> >>>> Those letters aren't on the home row.
>
> >>> Yeah, the 'huh' was wondering how this relates to what I'm
> >>> talking about.
>
> >> You were talking about staying by the hjkl keys.
>
> > Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that it is just as
> > hard to find home row after stretching single fingers at a time,
> > up and down one row (as in "yuiopnm") as it is after moving to
> > the arrow keys?
>
> "My kinestetic sense just knows where to go."
>
> > You're daft.
>
> And now you're getting insulting. No surprise there, actually.
> It's not uncommon for people to resort to such language when
> they have nothing else.
>
> >> Irrelevant, given that I never stated otherwise.
>
> >>> hjkl is the second-most minimal movement pattern you can have (right
> >>> after 'jkl;').
>
> >> Except that three letters only provide three motions. You need four
> >> for a two-dimensional screen.
>
> > Learn to count.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that I don't already know how to count.
>
> > How many characters are there in "hjkl" and "jkl;" ?
>
> jkl is only three letters.
Tholen...
when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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