Linux-Advocacy Digest #840, Volume #34 Tue, 29 May 01 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! (cjt & trefoil)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (wrinkled shirt)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Mike")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Donn Miller)
Re: Time to bitc__ again ("Sentinel")
The beginning of the end for microsoft (unicat)
Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP (Eugenio Mastroviti)
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly (Eugenio Mastroviti)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Otto
Wyss)
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly (flatfish+++)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Businessweek: 'Rah Rah Microsoft!' ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: ("Coles")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Mike")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? ("Matt
O'Toole")
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Opera ("Ayende Rahien")
NY PCEXPO: Code for free exhibits admission? (Adam Pope)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Alex Colvin)
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From: cjt & trefoil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:49 -0500
I'm not so sure. The VLIW parallelism is at the instruction level, isn't it?
Won't there be a lot of stalls?
2 + 2 wrote:
>
> All of these heavily parallel VLIW chips will be adept at video.
>
> MAJC is geared in particular to exploit heavily parallel processing at the
> thread level and, your favorite buzzwork, multiprocessing level as well as
> instruction level.
>
> 64 bit is not where the tech challenge lies.
>
> 2 + 2
>
> J Perrimato Fectuzo wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >MAJC is primarily intended for video processing. this is the big flaw in
> >your argument. you're pitting itanium against MAJC instead of against
> >SPARC! SPARC is in its third generation as a 64-bit and all of the sudden
> >intel is going to destroy sun on it's FIRST TRY?!?! I DON'T THINK SO!!!
> >solaris has also been 64-bit for a very long try and not only is microsoft
> >going to implement 64-bit NT for the first time, it's going to do so under
> a
> >COMPLETELY NEW SOFTWARE ARCHITECTURE AND STILL "DEFEAT" SUN (ignoring that
> >they have to get through ibm and hp for the moment)?!?!?
> >
> >PLEASE!
> >
> >this is no threat to sun for another 5-10 years and by then sun will be
> >using 128-bit architecture. intel better buy MIPS or ARM now!
> >
> >p.s. i am an intel shareholder as well as sun!
> >
> >--
> >
> >J Perry Fecteau
> >Voted Number One Man on the Internet
> >http://perry.fecteau.com/
> >
> >"2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9etjat$tel$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> The Itanium has VLIW instructions (don't confuse the size of these with
> >> Itanium's 64 bit data type environment--64 bit is of much significance
> >> itself but not the real story here).
> >>
> >> For backward capatibility in the Intel world only, the IA64 chips include
> >a
> >> IA32 chip on board as well. So, yes, Linux and Windows and any Unix
> >> implementation geared to the x86 line could run on it, but no one would
> do
> >> that, since the IA32 onboard chip is not state of art.
> >>
> >> The Itanium is basically a "proof of concept" chip. That's why I call
> >> Windows XP Workstation/Server eXPimental. But all of this first
> generation
> >> of VLIW is basically an experiement to see how it plays out in the real
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Sun is not supporting Itanium at all, and have their own rough
> equivalent,
> >> called MAJC for "Microprocessor Architecture for Java Computing." All of
> >> these VLIW chips go beyond RISC/CISC which is a term of little relevance
> >in
> >> a world of OOO, long pipelines, branch prediction, etc.
> >>
> >> In particular, the VLIW compilers are very demanding. The chip itself is
> >not
> >> the real challenge, since the whole point is taking much functionality
> out
> >> of silicon and doing it in software, so the high transistor counts can
> >CRANK
> >> IT UP for big scientific, database, multimedia and other high demand
> uses.
> >>
> >> The whole point is that the next IA64 chip could have 8 parallel
> execution
> >> slots instead of 4. This depends on compilers feeding the beast by, in
> >> effect, making parallel code and overcoming bottlenecks such as loading.
> >>
> >> Specialized execution engines, such as .NET and Java, have the advantage
> >> with JIT compilers that can benefit from code that has already been
> >massaged
> >> down to an intermediate stage such as bytecode or IL.
> >>
> >> 2 + 2
> >>
> >>
> >> Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote in message
> <9esfpd$6m9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> >Let me see, I can either choose AIX-5L, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux 2.4 or
> >> Windows 64bit, which is unproven. Most people know which one's
> >> >I will consider in a large Itanium server roll out. A clue for the
> >> clueless, it ain't Windows.
> >> >
> >> >Just because SUN and IBM don't advertise on the end luser magazines like
> >> .net or PCWorld, doesn't mean they no product's. I guess
> >> >your ignorance is due to too much exposure around Windows.
> >> >
> >> >Matthew Gardiner
> >> >--
> >> >I am the blue screen of death
> >> >Nobody can hear your screams
> >> >----
> >> >I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
> >> >go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
> >> >"rgs50" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:4whQ6.105$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Yes, Sun and IBM have VLSI chips but they do not have Microsoft in
> >back
> >> of
> >> >> them producing a KILLER OS ( Windows 2000 TWO or whistler or Win NT
> >> 64 ).
> >> >> There are also over 300 applications already ported to the Itanium
> with
> >> over
> >> >> 4,000 ( four thousand ) in the process of being ported to Itanium.
> >Also
> >> >> when the 386 was introduced it hit the market like a brick hitting a
> >> plate
> >> >> glass window and was selling at 50 % or more than the chips list price
> >> >> because there was so much demand.
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert G Smith
> >> >>
> >> >> 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:9erv5h$ctg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Snauk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> >> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> > > Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Kenny Chaffin wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Not gonna happen. People trust sun servers. What operating
> >system
> >> are
> >> >> > >> > they gonna use on the chip? Solaris is proven on sun hardware,
> >> >> > certainly
> >> >> > >> > not on Itanium or even much used on pentiums....
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> But what about Linux,
> >> >> > >> and IBM's commitment to Linux?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Linux is one of Intel's biggest customers on the server. Also, the
> >> Linux
> >> >> > camp has the talent to develop the compilers that this chip
> requires.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Of course, Itanium, if successful, is the VLIW successor for both
> >> Windows
> >> >> > and Unix.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > However, both Sun and IBM have competing VLIW chips.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2 + 2
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> >> >> > >> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> >> >> > >> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >When you see IBM using Linux as opposed to their Unix variant then
> >> maybe.
> >> >> > >Also IBM makes their own chips for a lot of the high end servers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (wrinkled shirt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: 29 May 2001 09:57:06 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<3b13b4c3$0$94307$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> Don't forget security, of which the MacOS has none.
I don't know about that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but last
time I checked they didn't support VBScript files. That's better
security than some right there.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:00:43 +0800
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
I'm probably just demonstrating my ignorance here, but isn't StarOffice a
Java application - with the primary purpose being that it could run on
*any* platform that supported Java? As such, they -couldn't- use the
Windows GUI toolkit, or the Mac toolkit, or any of the common X toolkits,
because then it wouldn't be cross-platform.
Or did I miss the point completely?
--
Mike.
Remove "-spam" to mail me.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:12:41 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> Got any examples of that?
> I have, but you'll say you didn't distort my meaning with your cutting,
> won't ya Pete?
Well, we'll never know until you post examples, now will we? Until you
do, I shall remain convinced that I'm right and you're lying.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:22:59 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Chad Myers wrote:
> Don't forget security, of which the MacOS has none.
Mac OS-X is based on BSD-unix (Darwin) under the hood. But, they may
have set up Mac OS-X so that it runs strictly as single-user, in which
case you'd be correct. There is a Mac OS-X Server OS, however, although
that probably isn't what you're referring to:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/
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From: "Sentinel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:18:48 GMT
In article <TmGQ6.19031$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that whenever someone puts the words *flame* or
> *bitch* in the subject header of the post, this particular post receives
> many more responses than any other posts, or is that just my
> imagination? ;-Þ
>
> Got a question? Just post as "I really don't want to start another
> flamewar". You'll get all the attention you want, LOL...
>
>
> ;-)
>
Humans are by nature confrontational. Sometimes these threads remind me
of my youngest brother. He would argue with a sign post, and start arguments
just to have something to do. I just think back to what my mom used to
say..
Opinions are like assholes. Everbody has one, nobody wants anyone else's.
I DO like to read em though because some of the barbs going back and
forth can be quite humorous.
--
Sentinel
Kill da munge to reply by email.
Registered Linux User #209449 - Machine Registration #97328
Remember, the only stupid question is the one you DIDN'T ask.
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From: unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:35:37 -0400
The following are the editorial opinions of the author- no more
no less...
While the bloated giant Microsoft is buying favorable publicity
in News-fluff magazines with promises of big chunks of
advertising for the X-flop video game, smart firms are realizing
the truth - Microsoft is in serious trouble.
Not that they don't have loads of cash on hand, they can create
imaginary cashflow any time they want just by moving their own
money from one pocket to the other...
But they are not capturing the hearts and minds of the techno-
savvy, and their standards are going over like the proverbial turd
in a punchbowl. Active directory, the MS proprietary version of XML,
and the .net initiative, all are seeing adoption rates down around 1/5th
of the overall market.
But worse, major manufacturers are beginnning to break ranks. IBM will
spend a billion dollars beefing up Linux this year, and HP is not far
behind.
Sun, which has done the best of any of the UNIX vendors mostly because
of their
steadfast refusal to corrupt their product line with MS pollution, has
now bought
a manufacturer of Linux servers to augment its low-end systems.(Sun, by
the way,
is roughly the same size as MS, why everyone gets so excited about a
pipsqueak company like MS is beyond me).
But one development that should have rocked the newsworld is that
struggling
UNIX maker SGI is dropping all support for MS Windows based platforms.
This is so illustrative of the real nature of the computer marketplace
that it bears
more examination. Two years ago, a troubled SGI fell under the influence
of MS, and
was seduced into adding a WNT workstation to its product line. But
instead of a windfall
the new systems caused a near collapse of the company. Customers lost
confidence in
SGI's core UNIX systems, fearing that they would eventually be phased
out, sales
plumetted, and the stock fell from $24 to $2. Finally coming to their
senses, SGI has excorsized
the MS demon, refocused on UNIX (and Linux) and is now on the road to
recovery.
BTW - their stock is an incredibly undervalued bargain, you could buy
the whole company for
less than the value of their assets.
SGI is hardly a market leader, but their realization of the detrimetnal
effect of supporting
windows simply reinforces the mass move away from Microsoft being
carried out more
surreptitiously by the larger manufacturers.
Microsoft isn't laying still, they are hedging their bets by
diversifying into hardware. They
have announced the X-box (how you make money by selling a box that you
have to subsidize
by 1/3 of its sales price remains a mystery, but it might explain rumors
that production levels
are being held back significantly - bad news for games authors, but hey,
dance with the devil,
and you deserve what you get). And of course there is the new Microsoft
PC, which will attempt
to do away with all legacy standards(ISA, PCI, parallel ports, serial
ports, etc.) so that everyone
is forced to upgrade to it in order to run the new version of Windows
Xtremely Proprietary.
Or... the hardware makers that MS is betraying MIGHT, just might, decide
to fight back by investing
in Linux as an alternative OS..... wait a minute, they're already DOING
THAT. Maybe PC makers
aren't as dumb as they look.
Any way, enough MS bashing for now. We'll just close by saying that the
author will bet anyone reading
an imaginary nickel that MS stock is down to $10/share by 2003....
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From: Eugenio Mastroviti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:53:19 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 17:35:37 -0700, "Paolo Ciambotti"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> No.... So much for your ability to follow directions when you installed
> >> it.
> >
> >No.... You shouldn't have to RTFM just to install a g*ddamned operating
> >system. That's just too much effort to expect anybody to do. You should
> >just have to drop in the CD and it just fscking WORKS!
> >
> ></sarcasm>
>
> He doesn't have to read a manual at all he just didn't bother to check
> the box that would have allowed him to save his current config and
> back off the SP2 if it caused troubles, which I think is highly
> suspect in and of itself.
Is this about Win2K?
Well flatfish - I've been around computers for a while, and I have to
say I've never seen a system as screwed up as mine after SP2.
Before you ask, yes, I saved the uninstall info.
Trouble is, I couldn't start the system at all - a "STOP" error (BSOD)
came up immediately after boot. I reverted the BIOS to safest possible
mode, tried *all* of the items in the boot menu. Nope. Clean reinstall.
Thank God for Linux that allowed me to back up all my data on the other
HD.
Oh, of course I checked the docs. I checked for incompatibilities, and I
couldn't find any - except, possibly, for the fact that one of the
patches enabled UATA-100 support in Win2K, and I have an UATA-100
controller, and I've learned that in these cases M$ usually f**ks things
up...
Bye
Eugenio
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From: Eugenio Mastroviti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:00:17 +0100
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
> Also, I fail to understand how you could possibly have installed Win2K
> without repartitioning and reformatting as NTFS. In that respect
> (destroying existing data), Linux and WinNT/2K are on equal footing. Be
> warned, if you installed to a FAT32 partition, you had better keep the
> machine behind a very tight firewall...
Sorry, mine IS behind a tight firewall, and I only use it for
videogames, as I do everything else with SuSE 7.1, so I won't claim I'm
a Windows expert - but why the difference in security between the 2
filesystems?
If you think it's OT here, would you please send me an email? I'm really
curious.
Thanks
Eugenio
P.S. SP2 fucked my system *totally*
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:28:44 +0200
wade blazingame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
> reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
> community.
>
I guess the most important reason is SPAM. Usually mailing lists have a
much higher signal-to-noise ratio. There exists gateways between
mailinglists <-> news but they are very seldom activated, because of
this.
I also don't like to subscribe and would like to read them as news but
since this isn't possible now I usually read through the mailinglists
archive. As long as I don't post answers this is fine. The lists I
follow (debian...) usually cope very well with my answers if I post them
as new mails. Of course it would be nice if archives supports direct
posting of answers.
There is a solution which might satisfy everyone. Gateway from lists to
news can be configured one way (debian-devel was once, I have to check
it again). So all the "SPAM" stays in the news while anyone can read the
lists through the news. Of course if you want to answer to the lists as
well you have to send an ordinary mail to the list instead just replying
to the news. This certainly won't impair the signal-to-noise ratio.
O. Wyss
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:30:34 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 19:00:17 +0100, Eugenio Mastroviti
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sorry, mine IS behind a tight firewall, and I only use it for
>videogames, as I do everything else with SuSE 7.1, so I won't claim I'm
>a Windows expert - but why the difference in security between the 2
>filesystems?
Spot the flaws....
>If you think it's OT here, would you please send me an email? I'm really
>curious.
>
>Thanks
>
>Eugenio
>
>P.S. SP2 fucked my system *totally*
>
>>
>> --
>> Chronos Tachyon
>> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
>> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
>> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:04:43 +0200
"wade blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vGHQ6.17265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Threading is almost never
> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers.
That shouldn't be a problem to implement via the message-id, References &
In-Replay-To fields.
I know that OE support it.
>From RFC 2822
3.6.4. Identification fields
Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Businessweek: 'Rah Rah Microsoft!'
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:16:20 +0200
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > What the world needs is a powerful, flexible, interoperable
> > platform for computing. The Object Group's vision for CORBA was
beautiful
> > and way ahead of its time. Perhaps something more viable could have
(can
> > it still?) be born from the open source movement.
>
> Welcome to today! Gnome uses CORBA based technology and is developing
> it's own component model (bonobo). This is one of the key reasons that
> the Gnome architecture is the way forward, and the opensource community
> is united behind it.
>
> >Now, because businesses
> > were unwilling to share, cooperate, and standardize, the single most
> > powerful among them is rising to push all the others aside and set the
> > standards unilaterally. And once the standard is set and accepted, it
may
> > be nearly impossible to go back.
>
> Many, many companies use CORBA. It _is_ a standard here and now. Not the
> likes of M$, but big companies that are interested in large systems and
> real interoperability. For the likes of M$ we will have a component
> model that is better deigned and much more powerful (and is in fact
> inspired by their COM technology rather ironically)
Just as a note, bonobo (they *really* has to start finding better naming
techniques in the OSS) is based/ispired on COM.
And, I believe, COM is a standard as well.
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From: "Coles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:35:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "WJP"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the way these programs are "set up"). Heck, if I have to have Windows
> installed to run either one of those, I might as well continue using the
> AOL software "within" Windows. Does anyone know if there is Linux-based
> software which can be used to provide interface with AOL's software?
> Does Netscape for Linux have the AOL Instant Message capability?
lookup gamera, it is AOL's unreleased (officially anyhow) Linux client.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:37:50 +0800
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
On Wed, 30 May 2001 00:36:56 +0800, Chad Myers wrote:
> Then I shall call you Chad Everett, illiterate, since you have a basic
> problem parsing English sentence structure. -c
He's probably using the Microsoft Visual English parser... :-)
--
Mike.
Remove "-spam" to mail me.
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:40:41 -0700
"wade blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vGHQ6.17265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
> reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
> community.
>
> Signing up for mailing lists is a hassle. Getting off some of them can be
> a freakin nightmare. Your in-box is stuffed with every message whether
> you're interested in the subject or not. Threading is almost never
> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers. If the
> mailing lists are archived at all, they're archived using terrible HTML
> interfaces that are illogically presented, painful to use and inflexible.
> This really discourages participation and strengthens the misperception
> that OSS packages are difficult and unapproachable.
>
> Why must it be this way? Can someone explain this to me?
If you can't deal with these "problems," maybe you should think about
another career. Seriously.
Matt O.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:36:26 +0200
"J Perrimato Fectuzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> windows xp runs on itanium but it does not run in 64-bit mode. at least
not
> a production version!
Why am I not surprised?
Maybe because there *isn't* a production version of XP, to *any* bit set?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:40:22 +0200
"Dan Pidcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 03:30:57 -0400, "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >What a pain in the ass. And I really wanted to use OPera since I liked it
> >under Windowws. Unfortunately I ran into problems in Linux that never
> >cropped up in Windows. I downloaded Opera and within 5 min I was
> >browsing with it....never have done that yet with Opera in Linux.
>
> I think it is similar to you downloading a 32-bit version of Opera and
> trying to install it on win3.1. Due to the rapid development of Linux
> this is a likely problem.
Not really, I'm afraid.
There is a /possibility/ that you can run Opera on Win3.1 using Win32s.
And Opera is a relatively new product, Win3.1 is *old*, it's a non-supported
system that is nearly ten years old.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Pope)
Subject: NY PCEXPO: Code for free exhibits admission?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC)
Anyone know the registration code to enter to get free admission to the exhibits?
TIA
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From: Alex Colvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:50:21 GMT
>The following are the editorial opinions of the author- no more
and for another opinion...
> the truth - Microsoft is in serious trouble.
There's much wishful thinking going around on this matter.
I'm not sure whether I disagree with you, but I'm not
persuaded. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
They've been seriously threatened before and managed to pull
their body parts out of the fire. Besides, they *live* for
serious trouble.
> But they are not capturing the hearts and minds of the techno-
> savvy, and their standards are going over like the proverbial turd
As the saying goes, "if you have them by the balls, their hearts
and minds will follow".
> But worse, major manufacturers are beginnning to break ranks. IBM will
These major manufacturers are always breaking ranks, which is why they
have been unable to mount any effective counter to Microsoft.
Microsoft has achieved success as much through the confusion and
weakness of its enemies as by its strategy and strength.
> Microsoft isn't laying still, they are hedging their bets by
> diversifying into hardware. They
SGI has never been as much of a threat as Nintendo.
As game consoles start connecting to networks, Microsoft hedges
their workstations by moving into servers.
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