Linux-Advocacy Digest #857, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux doesn't support P4 (Mig)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't support P4
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:10:07 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/15416.html
You're a couple of days late on this one... and i have already cried
--
Cheers
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:10 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>> David Ogg writes:
>
> >>>>>>> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> >>>>>> Counting problems?
>
> >>>>> See what I mean about his illogic?
>
> >>>> What alleged illogic, Marty?
>
> >>> Are you suggesting that a counting problem is an attribute indicative
> >>> of being logical?
>
> >> I wasn't suggesting anything, Marty; I was asking a question.
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>> I've adjusted my statement, to, "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >>>>> of movment of the arm to get the pinkie up to the esc key, but it's
> >>>>> so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my consious thought,
> >>>>> and it doesn't fucking matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch'
> >>>>> motion, which doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion
> >>>>> does.
>
> >>>> I'll adjust my statement as well: "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >>>> of movement of the arm to get the pinkie down to the cursor keys, but
> >>>> it's so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my conscious thought,
> >>>> and it doesn't matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch' motion, which
> >>>> doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion does.
>
> >>> You enjoy this game of replacing what I say fill-in-the-blank style,
>
> >> Enjoyment has nothing to do with it. I'm simply noting that whatever
> >> you can say about Esc can be applied equally well to the cursor keys.
>
> >>> but the difference is that what I said was actually true.
>
> >> What I said is also actually true. Where is the alleged difference?
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:39 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> Fortunately, I didn't make such a blanket statement. My comment
> >>>>>>>> was restricted to the use of hjkl for cursor movement. That's a
> >>>>>>>> rather small subset of vi.
>
> >>>>>>> Well, then we'll just have to disagree then. I don't think
> >>>>>>> that's true for the first time user who hasn't gotten any
> >>>>>>> preconcieved notions from using other editors first. You think
> >>>>>>> it is.
>
> >>>>>> Are you saying that the first-time user *will* know that hjkl
> >>>>>> moves the cursor around???
>
> >>>>> No, I'm not.
>
> >>>> Then where did your "You think it is" come from?
>
> >>> Sorry, I assumed that when you write things, you mean them.
>
> >> What did I allegedly write that made you say "You think it is"?
>
> >>> There I go being presumptuous again.
>
> >> More like a reading comprehension problem on your part. You also thought
> >> that Aaron wrote that nothing is intuitive.
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:48 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
> >>>>> And then there are the laptops.... :-) Some of those can get
> >>>>> downright weird.
>
> >>>> Which is why Steve was being rather presumptuous.
>
> >>> I admit it - I was being presumptuous in assuming that if you had
> >>> some unique keyboard layout that was different, that you'd (1) be
> >>> honest enough to say so in this discussion,
>
> >> My keyboard layout is hardly unique. That it is different is hardly
> >> to be unexpected, given the sheer number of different keyboards out
> >> there.
>
> >>> and (2) realize that youi're being silly to argue the merits of key
> >>> layouts for editors based on a very unique situation that won't work
> >>> for others.
>
> >> You're once again being presumptuous, given that my situation is
> >> hardly unique.
>
> >>> I apologise for presuming you would be honest and forthcoming.
>
> >> I have been honest and forthcoming.
>
> >>> Now I know not to make that mistake again.
>
> >> Where is the alleged mistake in that presumption?
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:26:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Les Mikesell writes:
>
> >>>>>> Are you saying that the first-time user *will* know that hjkl
> >>>>>> moves the cursor around???
>
> >>>>> The first time user won't have a concept of what a cursor is
> >>>>> or why you would want to move it around.
>
> >>>> On the contrary, the first-time vi user could have experience with
> >>>> other editors.
>
> >>> Yes, but they might not have a cursor that moves up or down.
>
> >> If it's a screen editor, chances are they do.
>
> >>> Or they might have used ksh with the vi edit mode, or less (an enhanced
> >>> more that uses vi-like keystrokes to browse through files).
>
> >> UNIX users are in the minority.
>
> >>>>> In the 70's and 80's, CPT dedicated wordprocessors were a big thing
> >>>>> and they represented a sheet of paper advancing past a typing line
> >>>>> on the screen so it looked and worked exactly like a typewriter.
>
> >>>> Were those the ABDick portrait mode machines?
>
> >>> I never saw an ABDick machine, but the CPT screen was tall
> >>> and narrow and displayed a full page of text, black characters
> >>> on a white page that moved up as you typed.
>
> >> The ABDick was also tall and narrow (portrait mode) and displayed a
> >> full screen of text, but it might have been a green screen. Come to
> >> think of it, we may have replaced our ABDick machines with the CPT
> >> machines. Never did catch on.
>
> >>>>> Literally, a white page scrolled up the screen as you typed. If you
> >>>>> needed to correct something you moved the page back down to the
> >>>>> typing line instead of moving the cursor to the text. Their claim
> >>>>> (of course) was that this was 'intuitive' to anyone who had seen a
> >>>>> typewriter.
>
> >>>> Of course, according to Aaron, nothing about a computer is intuitive.
>
> >>> Exactly.
>
> >> But do you or do you not agree with him?
>
> >>> Many younger people have probably never seen a typewriter
> >>> and would be very confused by the fact that you scroll down
> >>> to get the page to the right position on the typing line instead of
> >>> moving a cursor (which they probably have seen) up to the
> >>> the text in question.
>
> >> Younger people seem to be less confused by computers than older
> >> people with exposure to typewriters.
>
> >>>>> So, not even the direction of motion can be taken as something
> >>>>> you could guess, let alone the key that would invoke it. If you
> >>>>> think otherwise then you should admit that you have been
> >>>>> brainwashed into it.
>
> >>>> Fortunately, I don't think otherwise. Remember, my statement was
> >>>> that to use hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive.
>
> >>> It is no more or less intuitive than any other keys might be, especially
> >>> given that at the time most keyboards did not have any special cursor
> >>> control keys.
>
> >> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time". I'm talking about now.
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:27:09 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>>> Neato. Meanwhile us poor humans have fingers that don't bend that
> >>>>>>> way. For us humans, to move the fingers 8 inches to the left
> >>>>>>> requires that the *wrist* slides over, which means the the whole
> >>>>>>> forearm is moving too, hinged at the elbow.
>
> >>>>>> My keyboard has its cursor keys on the right, at about the same
> >>>>>> distance from the home row as the Esc key.
>
> >>>>> Then it doesn't look anything like any keyboard I've ever seen.
>
> >>>> That's not my problem. You were the presumptumous one.
>
> >>> Yes, I admit that I presumed you were referring to a keyboard that
> >>> is actually out on the market somewhere,
>
> >> I am.
>
> >>> rather than some home-made thing,
>
> >> Hardly.
>
> >>> or some proprietary laptop one-of-a-kind layout.
>
> >> Hardly one-of-a-kind. I have no idea whether it's considered
> >> proprietary or not.
>
> >>> I also presumed you weren't lying.
>
> >> I'm not.
>
> >>> Admitedly, those presumptions could have been wrong.
>
> >> As well as your presumption that the Esc key is closer than the
> >> cursor keys.
>
> >>>>> The Escape key is close and easily whackable without
> >>>>> looking, and without looking you can get your fingers
> >>>>> right back to the home row without even feeling for the
> >>>>> keys, my kinestetic sense just knows where to go, because
> >>>>> I don't have to move the hand more than about 1/2 an inch,
> >>>>> and that's a stretch-forward motion rather than a swing-
> >>>>> sideways motion.
>
> >>>> The cursor keys are close and easily whackable without looking,
> >>>> and without looking you can get your fingers right back to the
> >>>> home row without even feeling for the keys, my kinestetic sense
> >>>> just knows where to go, because I don't have to move the hand
> >>>> more than about 1/2 an inch, and that's a stretch-backward motion
> >>>> rather than a swing-sideways motion.
>
> >>> You enjoy this game of repeating what I say, replacing words with
> >>> a fill-in-the-blank replacement.
>
> >> There is no enjoyment involved. I'm simply showing that the same
> >> situation applies to the cursor keys.
>
> >>> But there is one key difference:
> >>> What I said is actually universally true.
>
> >> Balderdash.
>
> >>> You are either lying or using some really unique keyboard layout
> >>> and not telling anyone.
>
> >> You just contradicted your "universally true" claim. Nevertheless,
> >> the layout is hardly "unique".
>
> >>>>> (Which is why it's easy to find the home row - just relax the
>
> >>>>>> Those letters aren't on the home row.
>
> >>>>> Yeah, the 'huh' was wondering how this relates to what I'm
> >>>>> talking about.
>
> >>>> You were talking about staying by the hjkl keys.
>
> >>> Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that it is just as
> >>> hard to find home row after stretching single fingers at a time,
> >>> up and down one row (as in "yuiopnm") as it is after moving to
> >>> the arrow keys?
>
> >> "My kinestetic sense just knows where to go."
>
> >>> You're daft.
>
> >> And now you're getting insulting. No surprise there, actually.
> >> It's not uncommon for people to resort to such language when
> >> they have nothing else.
>
> >>>> Irrelevant, given that I never stated otherwise.
>
> >>>>> hjkl is the second-most minimal movement pattern you can have (right
> >>>>> after 'jkl;').
>
> >>>> Except that three letters only provide three motions. You need four
> >>>> for a two-dimensional screen.
>
> >>> Learn to count.
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I don't already know how to count.
>
> >>> How many characters are there in "hjkl" and "jkl;" ?
>
> >> jkl is only three letters.
>
> > Tholen...
> > when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
Tholen...
When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
remember to slit lengthwise.
Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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