Linux-Advocacy Digest #857, Volume #34 Wed, 30 May 01 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
("Flacco")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? ("wade
blazingame")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (The Ghost
In The Machine)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Opera (drsquare)
Re: Where can I buy a Linux penguin stuffed animal? (drsquare)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free (drsquare)
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: (drsquare)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (drsquare)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (drsquare)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Chad Myers")
Re: What does XP stands for ??? ("bG")
Re: Borland drops Kylix Desktop to $199 'till Aug 23! (Dave Martel)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Peter Hayes)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Grant
Edwards)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Grant
Edwards)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Opera ("Stuart Fox")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:18:19 +0100
> - When a window opens, it could unfold itself like a phamplet; a
> closing would would fold up in half then place itself on the icon bar.
> Other alternatives: wad itself up into a ball, fold into fourths,
> shred itself into tiny triangles which explode all over the desktop,
> drippingly melt, evaporate into single pixels which escape the top of
> the screen, fold itself then refold then refold then refold then
> refold like one of those magic cartoon boxes. Or maybe just -- gasp --
> disappear off the screen, sans fanfare.
> (What a concept!)
Well, when you iconize a window in Afterstep, an outline of the window
kind of spins down in to the corner where the icon appears. This WM also
giges you opaque resize. You should see Netscape trying to cope with an
opaque resize on a P133. It takes a couple of seconds to catch up if you
wiggle the mouse enough.
Also, if you set the "superflous animations" on in windowmaker, if you
drag something off the dock, it explodes in a shower of pixels which drop
off the bottom of the screen.
> - drop shadow on the mouse cursor -- oh, wait, they have that too.
An animated mouse pointer. oh wait, they have that too.
-Ed
--
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:18:23 GMT
> I also don't like to subscribe and would like to read them as news but
> since this isn't possible now I usually read through the mailinglists
> archive. As long as I don't post answers this is fine.
Well, this is kind of the point, I think - it's a matter of convenience
for users. It woud be nice to be able to pop into a news server and post
a comment or question without having to go through the subscription process.
You can monitor the server for responses, then ignore it until you want to
use it again, without having every single message that's posted clutter
your inbox.
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From: "wade blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:21:52 GMT
> If you can't deal with these "problems," maybe you should think about
> another career. Seriously.
I'm quite happy with my career, but thanks for the advice.
I'm not just asking for myself; simplifying access to mailing lists makes
Linux more friendly on the desktop to new users.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:24:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 30 May 2001 01:21:02 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Wed, 30 May 2001 00:31:03 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Peter Köhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>
>>>>Most of the stuff you mentioned has better alternatives in Windows
>>>>(like cmd.exe instead of bash, IIS instead of apache, ASP instead of PHP,
>>>>Windows instead of X, jesus christ, etc) so you wouldn't need to download
>>>>most of it.
>
>>> Are you actually TAKING the PISS?
>
>>Well, you have to be quite insane or thorougly intoxicated to claim that
>>CMD.EXE is *better* than bash.
>>As well his other examples are quite loughable. In each case I would prefer
>>the none-windows-version.
>
>You can get bash for windows.
Apache can also run on Windows; PHP should be able to, too.
(Of course, at some point, one must ask, "why?" :-) )
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NT. When what you really wanted was Unix all along.
EAC code #191 30d:23h:26m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:28:44 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f3a0n$ck3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> An animated mouse pointer. oh wait, they have that too.
That goes back to Win95 or even Win3.11, doesn't it?
I saw a computer like that once, with every visual que turn on, you couldn't
do any work on it, but it was great for teaching kids.
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:30:33 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f36g2$hg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:cb6R6.55370$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > But it does leave one wondering what
> > the point of MFC actually is. :(
>
> I understand that MFC is supposed to allow C programmers to use it.
> It's a bad framework in terms of OO, that is certainly. I present CSocket
as
> proof for that.
Well, C programmers can use it if they learn
C++ first. Does that count?
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Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:26:26 GMT
>>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
Aaron> Grzegorz Borek wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:
>> > Wrong.
>> >
>> > You have no choice over your DESIRES.
>> >
>> > You have COMPLETE control over your actions.
>>
>> Try very hard, and think this over:
>> Who gave gay people their desires?
Aaron> Would my desire for millions of dollar justify robbing banks
Aaron> A) yes
Aaron> B) NO
Aaron> No more questions, your honor.
Does a bank robber have a victim? Yes.
Hence it is wrong.
Does consensual sexual relations have a victim? No.
Hence there is nothing wrong with consensual sexual
relations.
QED.
--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:35 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 11:44:00 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Unix executables have to be chmod u+x bfore anything can happen. losedos
>> executable files are executable by default.
>That's irrelevant. If a user wants to run a program, they're going
>to run it regardless if they have to +x it or double click on it.
If they're going to go to the trouble of +x'ing t, then they'll
probably have a good idea of what it's about. Windows makes it easy
for users to naively open a virus thinking it's a picture or
something.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:37 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 02:21:30 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> Because Perl scripts can't touch "normal" users' files. It's obvious:
>> Windows 98 is a wide-open system, and most unices are not. The only way
>> to delete users' files on a unix system is if someone compromised the
>> system, and put a rogue Perl script where it shouldn't be.
>We, well I wasn't at least, talking about Win9x. Win9x is a toy OS and
>sucks. NT/2K are different.
But most people who are naive enough to open mystery executables will
be running Win9x.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:38 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 19:11:23 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Besides, you claimed that Windows is ubiquitous because it is the better
>> O/S. If NT/2K is better than 9x, why is not everybody using that than?
>Price, Win2K cost more than 9x.
>NT is also aimed more at bussiness, and there are some problems with
>compatability with some software.
>And NT's drivers can be a lot of hassle.
>
>But I agree with you, everyone who uses a 9x should stop and use an NT based
>product.
Which will cost them how much? They'll have to fork out for: NT, a
bigger hard disk probably, more RAM, a faster processor just to make
it all work. Or, they could just get linux, spending absolutely
NOTHING.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:39 +0100
On 30 May 2001 03:22:30 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:22 +0100,
> drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 May 2001 13:32:07 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:9eqic8$5n7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>It just doesn't seem like there is a quality browser for Linux at all.
>> You can get Opera, which is better than IE and Netscape put together.
>I really have to suggest checking out the latest Mozilla!
I might do.
>I have used Mozilla for a while now, and I'm finding out that its grown
>on me, and I miss it when I don't have it!
>
>Compiling it is a bit tedious, as I compile while I do everything else
>here.
>
>Here are some interesting stats about compiling Mozilla on my system.
>(note binaries are available, its NOT neccessary to compile Mozilla)
>
>Time to compile: around 3 hrs!
>Disk usage: 1.4 gigabytes!
Sorry, but I can't justify giving 1.4 gigabytes to a browser,
especially as all my linux partitions add up to about 1G.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:41 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 16:28:06 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)) wrote:
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:23 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 May 2001 13:43:56 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)) wrote:
>> >Upgrades are free, so if you registered a previous version and upgrade,
>> >it will still be registered and you won't see the ads.
>> Do the cracks work on the Linux version?
>I have no idea. I paid for mine.
Why?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I buy a Linux penguin stuffed animal?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:42 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:01:05 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Anonymous wrote:
>> Where can I buy a Linux penguin stuffed animal?
>>
>> I saw someone carrying one at Richard Stallman's
>> speech about Free Software at New York University
>> on May 29, 2001.
>http://www.google.com/ is your friend.
Unless you try to search for something, in which case it's your worst
enemy.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:43 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:47 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare wrote:
>> >This is why you fail.
>> This is why most people killfile you.
>killfiling is conceding defeat.
Defeat in what?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:43 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 14:16:21 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>>> >Now, for that same real price (a loaf of bread), I can talk to anyone
>>>> >ANYWHERE in the USA, Canada, or the United Kingdom for at least 15
>>>> >minutes (or longer!).
>>>> Why the fuck have you replied twice to the same post?
>>>Because he can. Free country and that sort of stuff...
>> So? I can type this:
>I believe you missed the point. When ever anyone points out that Aaron is
>anti-social and rude, he always says its OK because its a free country
>and he is (in essense) free to be an arsehole.
This would never happen under the Nazis.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:44 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:06 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Grzegorz Borek wrote:
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:
>> > Wrong.
>> >
>> > You have no choice over your DESIRES.
>> >
>> > You have COMPLETE control over your actions.
>>
>> Try very hard, and think this over:
>> Who gave gay people their desires?
>Would my desire for millions of dollar justify robbing banks
>
>A) yes
>B) NO
Yes.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:31:45 +0100
On Wed, 30 May 2001 02:20:55 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> I doubt someone running as root is going to run a perl script someone
>> has just e-mailed them. On the other hand, on Windows, even the
>> thickest, least knowledgeable user has complete priveliges over the
>> system, and Outlook makes it piss easy for an unknowing user to run an
>> attachment.
>So you've made my point for me, it's the intelligence of the user.
>
>Why don't you run perl scripts from root? Because you know better.
>
>Why do people run VBScripts as Administrator in Windows? Because
>they don't know better.
It's a lot easier to run a VB script from Outlook than it is say, to
run a perl script from mutt. Especially as they can call it like
message.txt.vbs, and windows will hide the .vbs, leaving the user to
think it's a message.
>(except in Win9x which has no security and sucks, but we all know that)
Which the majority of home owners will be using.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:36:02 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:47 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >This is why you fail.
>
> >> This is why most people killfile you.
>
> >killfiling is conceding defeat.
>
> Defeat in what?
In tolerating him, presumebly.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:17:21 -0500
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 30 May 2001 11:44:00 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Unix executables have to be chmod u+x bfore anything can happen. losedos
> >> executable files are executable by default.
>
> >That's irrelevant. If a user wants to run a program, they're going
> >to run it regardless if they have to +x it or double click on it.
>
> If they're going to go to the trouble of +x'ing t, then they'll
> probably have a good idea of what it's about. Windows makes it easy
> for users to naively open a virus thinking it's a picture or
> something.
And we come back to my original point, it's user intelligence/experience.
It's simply that people who Unix typically have more computer experience,
it's not the OS, it's the user.
Thank you for proving my point yet again.
-c
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From: "bG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:28:51 +0100
"Brian Langenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f33u9$j1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Zsolt wrote:
> :> eXPerimental
> :> eXtra Problems included
> :> eXtremely Pathetic
>
> : eXPloiting.
> : eXPanding.
> : eXPloded.
> : eXPired.
> : eXPunged.
>
> eXtra Profits
>
eXassperating Problems on install/use/conectivity/help and support etc!!!!
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Borland drops Kylix Desktop to $199 'till Aug 23!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:18:45 -0600
On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:21:17 GMT, "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I'm not all that excited by kylix but others here are, so here's a
>> little tidbit I just picked up:
>>
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19283.html>
>>
>> Borland sweetens Kylix discount with new offer
>> By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
>> Posted: 30/05/2001 at 01:23 GMT
>
>Hmmm... You don't suppose this is a prelude to discontinuing the product, do
>you?
Hope so. IMO Borland's become too much like all the other
milk-the-consumer software outfits. I'd rather not see the
consumer-as-cash-cow attitude brought to linux.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:25:17 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 30 May 2001 14:24:32 GMT, Zsolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've seen some rather good, although 'unofficial' explanations about the XP
>abbreviation in
> Windows XP. Let's try to collect them in this thread. Anybody, who has other good
>idead, please
> post them here!
>
> To kick-off the collection, some idea's I've seen so far on this newsgroup:
>
> eXPerimental
> eXtra Problems included
> eXtremely Pathetic
Xeroderma Pigmentosum is a rare genetic defect in ultraviolet radiation
induced DNA repair mechanisms; characterized by severe sensitivity to all
sources of UV radiation (especially sunlight).
>From http://www.xps.org/
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:35:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Smith wrote:
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 23:34:27 -0000, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>If the mailing lists are archived at all, they're archived using terrible
>>>HTML interfaces that are illogically presented, painful to use and
>>>inflexible.
>>
>> As opposed to news where, after it expires off the news server the only
>>option is generally Deja which is archived using a terrible HTML interface
>>that is illogically presented, painful to use and inflexible.
>
>Deja archives usenet. He didn't suggest using usenet. He suggested
>using news servers. There is a difference.
>
>With a news server, archiving is very simple: don't expire.
The problem with a news server is that many corporate
firewall/proxy setups don't allow connections to external NNTP
servers. E-mail is usually allowed in and out, so that's the
lowest common denominator for many sites. Somebody else has
already pointed out that gatewaying between a local news server
and a mailing list is easy enough.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Will this
at never-ending series of
visi.com PLEASURABLE EVENTS never
cease?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:37:28 GMT
In article <zX9R6.3025$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Flacco wrote:
>> I also don't like to subscribe and would like to read them as news but
>> since this isn't possible now I usually read through the mailinglists
>> archive. As long as I don't post answers this is fine.
>
>Well, this is kind of the point, I think - it's a matter of convenience
>for users. It woud be nice to be able to pop into a news server and post
>a comment or question without having to go through the subscription process.
The "convenience" of being able to post without subscribing is
exactly what makes Usenet susceptible to spamming.
>You can monitor the server for responses, then ignore it until you want to
>use it again, without having every single message that's posted clutter
>your inbox.
Messages from mailing-lists don't go into my inbox -- they go
into the mailbox assigned to that mailing list.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Am I accompanied by
at a PARENT or GUARDIAN?
visi.com
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:36:56 GMT
In article <9f29se$jka$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> I did, several times and you ignored it all. I'm not going to try again.
I don't remember them, and I think I would. The fact that you're not
willing (or unable) to post any examples despite being asked repeatedly
to produce them tells me you're lying and there are none.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:38:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Someone said I snip inappropriately
> There have been twopeople who said that, Mr Rosen and myself. Do you always
> pay so little attention ?
And neither of you have supplied any examples.
> > - yet no proof has been supplied. You
> > say proof has already been supplied, so where is it? C'mon show me _one_
> > example.
> Nope, I told you I'm not playing your game any longer.
I'm not playing your game either. You accuse me of something but you
don't produce anything to back up your claims.
LIAR!
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:39:53 GMT
In article <9f29lq$jka$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Someone said I snip inappropriately - yet no proof has been supplied.
>
> I said it.
Still no proof I see.
> > You say proof has already been supplied, so where is it? C'mon show me
> > _one_ example.
>
> You asked for proof last time (in the "oopsie" thread) and I supplied
> proof. You ignored it. Since you ignored it last time, why should I
> bother this time?
You said that as well. I don't recall what you're talking about. Since
you are unwilling (or just plain unable) then I think I can safely
conclude that you are LYING.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:42:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >pull the other one. It's got bells on.
>
> No, he's right. Windows just works -- if one sets it up properly,
> as in "imaged straight from a known working system as part of
> a replication run of thousands of PCs" -- in other words, bought
> off-the shelf. :-) (The vast majority of consumer equipment,
> AFAIK, is bought that way.)
My system was custom built. I reinstalled it when I changed disks and I'm
likely to do it again. My old PC was wiped to install Linux then wiped
again to install Windows. Linux had problems, Windows had none.
> But if the user wants to upgrade it, or install "foreign" software
> on it, then the fun starts.
I've yet to see recent Windows upgrades to fail. I've yet to see a Linux
upgrade survive.
> Linux, by contrast, doesn't have the advantage (yet!) of being
> replicated in thousands of systems and available "off-the-shelf",
> but, as compensation, installs very easily (in most cases).
> Slap in a CD and go...
Then you can expect the problems, if that ever happens.
--
Pete
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:45:33 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f2jn8$n9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > realiability, and you think people will take it seriously! I don't think
> > > so. Maybe you should check what is running Datacentres, banks,
> > mainframes,
> > > the New Zealand financial system, and wake up and smell the code,
> because
> > > it isn't smelling of WinXP, thats for sure.
> >
> > Well here's at least two NZ banks using NT for their web front end.
> >
> > http://www.asb.co.nz
> > http://www.anz.co.nz
> >
> > And wake up and smell the code, I don't see too many of them running
> Linux
> > either.
>
> I've never said that they are running Linux,
So your information is irrelevant in COLA then? Linux != Unix.
> I emphasised the fact that
> UNIX and mainframe OS's are the only ones taken seriously in the "mission
> critical" area of IT, oh well, maybe you should check http://www.tsb.co.nz
> or http://www.westpactrust.co.nz which is in charge of all benefit
> payments, approx. 12 billion dollars worth. Also, I never said anything
in
> regards to the web front end,
Maybe you should be more specific then. Your words were "Maybe you should
check what is running Datacentres, ***banks*** etc". I just showed you two
examples of New Zealand banks that are running Windows NT as part of their
infrastructure, which I would class as part of running a bank. New Zealands
first and second internet banking setups choose to run NT as their web front
end. (ASB & BankDirect). How many are running Linux?
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:46:08 +1200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f2jsb$nd3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What? a 5.5 crashed everytime I logged into my Hotmail account! wtf is up
> with that?
>
And it doesn't on my PC. WFT is up with that?
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