Linux-Advocacy Digest #895, Volume #30 Fri, 15 Dec 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (stelex)
Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Pan)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux ("Bracy")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Pan)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux (Pan)
Re: Linux doesn't support P4 ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux. (John Travis)
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux ("Bracy")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux (Charlie Ebert)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Tom Wilson")
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:14:23 GMT
Russ Lyttle writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Mading writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly uncommon. When my VCR is "off", it's still on by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to keep a clock running and monitor its programming to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determine whether to turn "on" (or should I say "more on") and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> record a program. Doesn't make the power switch any less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intuitive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I would say that that sort of power switch is highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unintuitive. Intuitively, you'd expect that turning something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off would, you know, actually turn it off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depends on what you consider "off" to be. When you turn your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> microwave oven off, do you expect it to lose the time? (Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does presuppose an oven with a clock on the display.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there any new models that don't have one of those built in?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any microwaves with an on/off button lately.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay then, "Start/Stop", if you must be pedantic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they had them, then yeah, I'd expect them to at least turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the display off, and go down to a trickle that only serves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to maintain a few K of RAM (for the clock and maybe some programs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which takes very little power, as evidenced by calculators and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> watches, and could be done by battery like it is for CMOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> settings on computers.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even with the display on, it could still be a trickle.
>>>>>>>>>>> All this "unintuitive" behavior of power switches is causing a major
>>>>>>>>>>> problem in California.
>>>>>>>>>> Illogical. It is quite possible that people will generally know what
>>>>>>>>>> to do with a power switch without needing to consult a manual, but will
>>>>>>>>>> not generally know how much power is consumed in the on and off states.
>>>>>>>>>> Consider the AC adaptor for a modem, for example. The power switch is
>>>>>>>>>> on the modem, not the AC adaptor.
>>>>>>>>> Logical. The behavior of the power switch changed from its traditional
>>>>>>>>> role. People *think* it still works the way it did 10 years ago.
>>>>>>>> Oh really? Your Curtis Mathes is older than that. You claim it kept
>>>>>>>> the power on.
>>>>>>> Yes, but it was very unusual for its time.
>>>>>> Really? I had a clock-radio that when "off" kept the clock on. Very usual
>>>>>> for its time.
>>>> Note: no response.
>> Note: still no response.
Note: still no response.
>>>>>>>>> Its behavior isn't capable of being comprehended without logical thought.
>>>>>>>> And with logical thought, the average consumer will know how much power
>>>>>>>> is still being consumed by a unit even when the switch is in the off
>>>>>>>> position? That's not the issue here.
>>>>>>>>> (See definition of intuitive).
>>>>>>>> Practice what you preach.
>>>>>>>>> They are still trying to make decisions
>>>>>>>>> based on the traditional use of the power switch - power cord setup.
>>>>>>>> On the contrary, sounds like your example involves a mislabeled
>>>>>>>> button. There is a difference between "video blank" and "power off".
>>>>>>>> You've described the former. I've been talking about the latter.
>>>>>>> No, they concern the device that serves as a power switch these days.
>>>>>> An "off" switch that leaves 10 amps of power running isn't much of an
>>>>>> off switch.
>>>> Note: no response.
>> Note: still no response.
Note: still no response.
>>>>>>>>>>> The issue of all these devices still drawing power is keeping a
>>>>>>>>>>> load on the system that it wasn't designed to handle.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that systems outside of California were somehow
>>>>>>>>>> designed to handle it?
>>>>>>>>> No. Outside CA, NY, and MA, there have been more plants built. These
>>>>>>>>> plants are now selling some of their excess off peak power to CA. In the
>>>>>>>>> past CA would sell power to Texas during the peak time in Texas and
>>>>>>>>> Texas would sell to CA during the peak time there. Now the transfer is
>>>>>>>>> all one way. To CA. But it is getting difficult for Texas utilities to
>>>>>>>>> justify building more plants just to have power to sell to CA. They have
>>>>>>>>> to justify the need for plants based on need in Texas.
>>>>>>>> That has nothing to do with being designed to handle the load.
>>>>>>>>>>> That coupled with lack of new power generation in California is putting
>>>>>>>>>>> a strain on the system now, promising a major breakdown in the near
>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like those Californians are going to have to do without their
>>>>>>>>>> 72-inch projection televisions. (Did your Curtis Mathes need 10 amps
>>>>>>>>>> to keep its filament going?)
>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
>>>>>>>>>>> Relying to much on intuition and not enough on reason is going
>>>>>>>>>>> to get a lot of people killed.
>>>>>>>>>> The power consumed by a device in the off state has absolutely
>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with the issue of whether the power switch itself
>>>>>>>>>> is intuitive.
>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
>>>>>>> OK, what is your intuitive concept of the operation of a power switch?
>>>>>> One position is "on" and the other position is "off".
>>>>> The switch marked "on" and "off" on my 1903A4 Springfield is a Power
>>>>> Switch?
>>>> Show me your 1903A4 Springfield.
>>> Next time you are in Arizona, give me a call.
>> What's your number? I usually get to Arizona at least once a year. It's
>> a big state, however. Don't expect me to look you up in Yuma.
> Tucson/Pheonix. E-mail me.
Most trips are to Tucson. Somewhat fewer to Flagstaff, which usually
involves arrival at Sky Harbor.
>>>>> Not all switches marked thus perform the same functions or
>>>>> perform the same functions the same way!
>>>> Irrelevant, given that I didn't say they do.
>>> Looking at your post you definately said your concept of a power switch
>>> has "One position is "on" and the other position is "off"."
>> Yet you illogically turned that around and tried to make it sound like
>> every switch with an "on" and an "off" must be a power switch.
>>> So if that isn't your concept of a power switch, what is?
>> Something that changes the state of the power applied to a device:
>> power on, power off. That doesn't mean every switch with an "on"
>> and an "off" is a power swtich. That's just plain illogical.
> You said the intuitive concept of a power switch was a switch with one
> position "on" and the other "off".
I said my concept of a power switch is that one position is "on" and
the other position is "off".
>>> And why did you say it was your concept of a power switch?
>> Because you asked me about my concept of a power switch.
Note: no response.
>>> why won't my computer fire 30-06 rounds from the magazine when
>>> the power switch is in the "on" position.
>> You're erroneously presupposing that your computer has a magazine
>> from which it might be able to fire rounds.
> No, I'm supposing my computer has a switch with one position marked "on"
> and the other marked "off".
Why did you mention a magazine from which rounds are fired?
> The '03A4 loads from a magazine when in the switch is in the "on"
> position.
Is it a power switch? If not, then it is irrelevant to the present
discussion.
> Therefore it is intuitive that the computer would do the same.
Illogical, given that the discussion is about power switches, not
some other kind of switches.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (stelex)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:02:28 GMT
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 04:29:41 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The USB layer under Linux doesn't support full soft-enumeration of the
>devices under the BUS in perputiaty. WHICH IS THE POINT OF USB!
>
>You plug in a USB device, great. Can Linux identify it, yes. Can it
>support it? No. Can it support it through a simple, modular HID layer
>change? NO.
Yes it can, see bellow
>Can it support it without recompiling the kernel? Probably
>not.
Probably not you say but, actually that's the way: compiling modules
as a separate peace of software which kernel will load when it needs
(press M when selecting desired support in 'make menuconfig'), or
building Linux with embedded modules (press Y when selecting desired
support in 'make menuconfig') to get a kernel with all desired support
in just one peace of Linux kernel software (recommended for newbies).
Get a stable kernel 2.2.18 http://www.kernel.org/pub/mirrors
Type: tar Ixvf /usr/src/linux-2.2.18.tar.bz2
or
tar zxvf linux-2.2.18.tar.gz
cd linux
make menuconfig
scroll down to [USB support --->], and hit [Enter]
USB is a new bus in linux kernel like everywhere else.
< > Support for USB (press Y),
[ ] USB verbose debug messages (NEW)
--- Miscellaneous USB options
[ ] Preliminary USB device filesystem (NEW)
[ ] Support for hot-pluggable USB devices (press Y),
Say Y here if you want to plug devices into your computer while
the system is running, and be able to use them quickly. In many
cases, the devices can likewise be unplugged at any time too.
zEnable this with KMOD, and your kernel will automatically
call out to a user mode "policy agent" to load drivers and
other modules needed to use USB devices you plug in.
--- USB Controllers
< > UHCI (Intel PIIX4, VIA, ...) support (NEW)
< > UHCI Alternate Driver (JE) support (NEW)
< > OHCI (Compaq, iMacs, OPTi, SiS, ALi, ...)
--- USB Devices
< > USB Printer support (NEW)
< > USB Scanner support (NEW)
< > USB Modem (CDC ACM) support (NEW)
< > USB Serial Converter support (NEW)
< > USB Kodak DC-2xx Camera support (NEW)
< > DABUSB driver (NEW)
< > Kawasaki USB-ethernet controller (NEW)
--- USB HID
< > USB Human Interface Device (HID) support (NEW)
< > USB HIDBP Keyboard support (NEW)
< > USB HIDBP Mouse support (NEW)
< > Wacom Intuos/Graphire tablet support (NEW)
< > Logitech WingMan Force joystick support
< > Keyboard support (NEW)
< > Mouse support (NEW)
< > Joystick support (NEW)
< > Event interface support (NEW)
They carrie a text file in linux/Documentation and
linux/Documentation/usb whith a lists of supported devices.
Selecting any of these and pressing '?' invokes a short Help;
let's see what it says for
[ ] Support for hot-pluggable USB device:
"Say Y here if you want to plug devices into your computer while
the system is running, and be able to use them quickly. In many
cases, the devices can likewise be unplugged at any time too.
Enable this with KMOD, and your kernel will automatically
call out to a user mode "policy agent" to load drivers and
other modules needed to use USB devices you plug in."
And let's see what it says for < > USB Scanner support:
"Say Y here if you want to connect a USB scanner to your computer's
USB port. Please read Documentation/usb/scanner.txt and
Documentation/usb/scanner-hp-sane.txt for more information.
This code is also available as a module ( = code which can be
inserted in and removed from the running kernel whenever you want).
The module will be called scanner.o. If you want to compile it
as a module, say M here and read Documentation/modules.txt."
So build it into a kernel or build a separate module, you have a
choice.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks)
Date: 15 Dec 2000 06:52:23 GMT
On 14 Dec 2000 22:04:37 -0700, Craig Kelley wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
>There were 2 million ballots thrown out nationwide. We will never
>know which candidate recieved more votes; we only know that Bush won
>in the sampling of electoral votes.
I agree with this. It was close enough that the result is more or less
arbitrary and boils down to technicalities (which is why both sides
were trying to gerrymander as hard as they could)
>Any statistician will tell you that there was no winner in this
>election; everything was *well* within a single standard deviation of
>the norm.
Yes, if the voters had voted randomly, one would expect a wider margin.
> It was a tie, and there is no way to fairly empower a
>president in this situation.
Thank god the senate and house are reasonably tied up ...
>And Bush Sr. would have trounced Clinton in '92.
Yes, he should have.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:58:02 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> Except for the constant spam I receive since I signed up for it. The
> license agreement that I was forced to agree to seems to disagree about the
> 'Free' aspect.
I've downloaded the release on more than one occasion. I have never
once gotten spam from Sun. I've gotten free copies at comdex, penton's
internet world, they didn't even ask to swipe my card. The closest thing
I've gotten to spam from Sun is a request to interview me on how we are
using java in our enterprise at work after I signed up for the JDN,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 15 Dec 2000 07:02:20 GMT
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:06:31 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Liberal implies moderate.
>
>Wrong. Liberal implies bending and stretching the rule of law and the
Look, I'm using the dictionary definition, which is widely accepted in
both the general and political sense. You on the other hand are convinced
that "liberal" is a dirty word, and constructing a straw man to go
with that word. Look it up in a dictionary. Your rantings are completely
irrelevant to what the word "liberal" means.
>Moderate implies moderate. Liberal implies eco-wacko, red commie (Jane
"red commie" applies authoritarian, but "liberal" implies a non-authoritarian
government.
>Fonda, et al), baby killer
"liberal" does not say anything about "baby killer".
>Republicans and Democrats are not conservatives and liberals.
Yes, they are. Both sides fit the definition pretty well.
>There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. I'm talking
>ideology,
You're talking nonsense, and redefining the word "liberal" so that it makes
a convenient straw man. This is a popular tactic, people do it all the time
with any word that suggests any leftist leaning ("liberal", "socialist",
"communist")
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 15 Dec 2000 07:09:33 GMT
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:19:14 GMT, Charlie Ebert wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:08:28 GMT,
>Al Gore and company, if they had their way....
>
[ snip ]
>The Bush camp has problems also.
[ snip ]
>What ever happened to the days when Candidates were
>just middle of the road. Candidates really made
>an attempt in pleasing the middle majority.
Well, they are. I mean, for example, Gore's campaign theme was on the
lines of "sure, we're the party of the people, but we also do a little
tax cuts on the side". And Bush ? Well his theme is "Sure, I'm a minimalist
conservative. But I've a confession to make -- I'm `compassionate' and
I care about minorities. I even talk to democrats sometimes".
In fact I think both sides tend to converge as a natural equilibrium.
>The problem with America today is we have no representation
>of the middle class's anymore.
I disagree completely, and suggest you take a look outside America. The
American system does one thing very well -- it manacles the two main
parties together and forces them to make tough compromises. This is of
tremendous benefit to the economy because it results in more stability.
It also means that "tyrannies of the majority" are usually avoided, because
it's rare that any party gets enough power to just ram through its agenda
without due consideration (indeed, it's impossible to get ANYTHING bar the
national budget through the senate without due consideration, unless you
have an enormous majority.)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:53:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> my understanding is that COREL is only getting out of the business of
> making a linux distribution. NOT from developing linux applications.
That's not the way I read it at all. All of the reports I've read indicate
that Corel is selling off their "Linux business." I take that to mean it
includes their applications and well as their distro.
According to the reports, LPG is interested in buying them, and under
the current negotiations, Corel would maintain a 20% interest.
Bracy
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:15:15 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> Then why aren't they making it available as a release,
I imagine that they aren't walking it through alpha just for the heck of
it. As to what else sun has been up to with this code, see starportal
for details.
> the only certified
> release I found was over a year old.
Open Office has existed for 2 months. Are you suggesting that they
should've just gone straight to production release? No time to build a
team? No analysis? No design? No time to get the teams familiar with
the code? No alpha period? No beta period? Just take 9 million lines
of code, compile it and slap it into a shrink-wrapped package and call
it ready for market? That's simply a foolish expectation.
But this is all irrelevent to your original point. You said that there
was "no new development since its appropriation by Sun over a year
ago". Clearly you were mistaken.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 15 Dec 2000 07:14:29 GMT
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:15:20 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>George W. Bush. Ronald Regan. Abraham Lincoln. William Rhenquist.
Lincoln ??? I believe you are confusing "republican" with "conservative".
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:23:24 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If Corel didn't have enough money to keep it afloat, that part of the
linux community that is concerned with desktops and desktop app's is
probably better off for them having spun off the division. For one
thing, I suspect that it means that whatever corel linux will now evolve
into won't be contractually bound to comply with the .net standards that
corel is now obligated to adopt. For another, and this is purely
conjecture, perhaps it means that their office suite for linux and corel
photopaint for linux can be released under the gpl.
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> On 14 Dec 2000 20:34:25 -0800,
> r@r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >my understanding is that COREL is only getting out of the
> >business of making a linux distribution. NOT from developing
> >linux applications.
> >
> >This is a big difference (and I think it is a good move
> >by COREL).
> >
> >There is more money to be made from Linux applications that
> >making a linux distro, which we allready have a number of
> >very good ones on the market.
> >
> >The money and resources COREL can save on making a linux distro,
> >she can spend on making linux applications.
> >
>
> Well good.
>
> I would like to see this happen.
>
> I know there are several people using Corel Linux,
> mainly attorneys, who would be hurt by them
> withdrawing from the market.
>
> I hope they continue on in this endevor.
>
> Charlie
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't support P4
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:24:49 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91ahuo$ltk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <hGXZ5.1114$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From what I'm hearing, INTEL isn't supporting the things either. So,
> what's
> > the point?
>
> Windows already is.
So will Linux....Just edit a couple of lines.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Subject: Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:48:58 GMT
And [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke unto the masses...
>Flight Unlimited II/III.
>
>Just got my wife's game, "Pharaoh", to install and run under WINE. She
>bitches about how slow and choppy it is, but at least it doesn't just
>randomly reboot on her anymore. Maybe if I had newer hardware... "hey,
>honey, if you let me buy a new gigahertz Athlon system I could fix this
>for you." I'm so unselfish.
Well it _is_ the season for giving. I bet she needs a new work bench or riding
mower too :).
jt
--
Debian Gnu/Linux [Woody]
2.4.0-test9-ReiserFs|XFree4.0.1|nVidia.95 Drivers
You mean there's a stable tree?
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:43:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> my understanding is that COREL is only getting out of the business of
> making a linux distribution. NOT from developing linux applications.
That's not the way I read it at all. All the reports I've read say that
Corel is "selling it's Linux business," not merely its distro.
LPG is reported to be interested in buying Corel's "Linux business" and
that if the current deal is agreed upon, Corel would retain a 20%
interest.
Bracy
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:44:12 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:919a29$o6q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ODQZ5.1363$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > >> More like a reading comprehension problem on your part. You also
> > >> thought that Aaron wrote that nothing is intuitive.
>
> > Forgetting to type it doesn't change the fact that you thought Aaron
> > wrote something that he didn't write, Steve.
>
> Okay, Tholen, substantiate this. You have stated, *TWICE*, what Steve
> Mading *thought*. Now provide some evidence to *prove* that you
> have even an inkling as to what Steve Mading actually *****THOUGHT*****.
>
> Or shut the Royal Fuck up.
>
> And no, barfing up what Steve Mading wrote doesn't qualify as proof,
> because anybody can think one thing yet write another thing entirely.
Give it up...
>From what I've seen so far, reason and Tholen are total strangers.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:38:55 GMT
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:23:24 -0800,
Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If Corel didn't have enough money to keep it afloat, that part of the
>linux community that is concerned with desktops and desktop app's is
>probably better off for them having spun off the division. For one
>thing, I suspect that it means that whatever corel linux will now evolve
>into won't be contractually bound to comply with the .net standards that
>corel is now obligated to adopt. For another, and this is purely
>conjecture, perhaps it means that their office suite for linux and corel
>photopaint for linux can be released under the gpl.
>
Of interest in this story was Microsoft's bailing out of Corel
by buying supposed non-voting stock.
I'm beginning to believe this story wasn't true.
The phrase "obligated to be bound by .NET" smells.
I had a funny feeling as soon as Microsoft bailed out Corel
that this would happen.
They will probably report some bullshit about the Linux
experiment being a disaster despite the fact the annual
stockholders report clearly indicated the Corel Linux
distribution was turning a profit.
I invite you to go to corels website and play back
the real audio annual earnings report covered
by the press and examine the facts for yourself.
But it's water under the bridge now.
You can bet that Borland won't be cratering like
Corel did.
If Corel's Linux bound Office get's sold to a GPL
bound firm, as stated, we might be seeing the
end of commerical support for all office products
for Linux as of this year.
With Gnome office and KDE office being available
and being enhanced by deals like this, it's
probably unnecessary to have a commercial
venture in office products.
That's a pretty huge swipe for Linux.
Oh, and we can't forget Star Office and Mozilla.
They were going to integrate both of these packages
into GNOME from what I've heard.
Microsoft is really going to be facing a very
serious foe by this time next year.
It won't be just OS against OS anymore.
It looks like it will be the whole damn thing.
Charlie
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:46:46 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Steve Mading writes:
> >
> > >> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time". I'm talking about now.
> >
> > > You didn't say so.
> >
> > I shouldn't need to say so for those who understand context.
> >
> > > (See I can be a pendantic pain too. Your game is fun.)
> >
> > You're erroneously presupposing that I'm playing a game, Steve.
>
> Tholen...
> when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> remember to slit lengthwise.
....Along the femoral artery. It's quicker that way.
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:58:05 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> BY THE WAY! {FACTOID}
>
> I started this thread to talk about the hacking into of
> Microsoft and the theft of their operating system code
> including Whistler.
>
> Isn't it interesting the comments and opinions of
> the vast moron Windows using public.
>
> They are not even remotely concerned with the possibilities
> of new hacks and viruses which will be launched due to
> this code theft.
There are a fair number of professionals out there who are rightly concerned
about it. The home user couldn't care less, though.
>
> Further, they are not even remotely concerned about
> the notion that Microsoft Corporate HQ was broken into
> and the implications it has for YOUR current business
> security posture.
>
> Amazing.
No, scary is the word you're looking for.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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