Linux-Advocacy Digest #994, Volume #30 Wed, 20 Dec 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("billh")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Since this is an Advocacy.... (.)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("billh")
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (.)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (.)
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? (.)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (Bill a cheapster). ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:09:07 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Jeff Glatt writes:
>
> > Joe Malloy wrote:
>
> >> I edited your comments so that they would say what you meant. No
> >> thanks necessary, Tholen!
>
> > HAHAHAHAH!!! Good one, Joe!!
>
> Doesn't surprise me that you would enjoy the dishonest alteration of
> what someone wrote. It just demonstrates the depths to which you'll
> stoop to find something -- anything -- to antagonize, Glatt.
LENGTHWISE, Tholen....slice LENGTHWISE.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:10:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
> > Joe Malloy wrote:
>
> >> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> >>> > Tholen tholes and thereby pontificate:
> >>> >
> >>> >> > Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums
> >>> >(fora?), again?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Come to conclusions using a little logic.
> >>> >
> >>> >Spoken by the god of uselessnet, Tholen!
>
> >>> No no. Tholen is extremely logical. Pedantic, argumentative,
> >>> nitpicky, but quite logical. He will also catch you in
> >>> contradictions -- he's already caught me in one. This from
> >>> my admittedly very short (maybe a week at most) engagement
> >>> with him in debate.
> >>>
> >>> (As an example -- we are quibbling about whether a power
> >>> switch is intuitive in another thread.)
>
> >> I take it you haven't seen Jeff's compendium of Tholen quotes where
> >> what he says is merely situational, that is, he contradicts himself
> >> quite often. Tholen's a buffoon, nothing more. I've seen your
> >> "discussion" with the god of uselessnet and all I can say is, never
> >> has so much been said of something so minor by the likes of Tholen,
> >> i.e., he of little sense!
>
> > No, I haven't, and logic can be used badly, especially where
> > nitpicking is concerned. Case in point: the "intuitiveness"
> > of the power button we're now debating -- what point is it
> > being logical when we're discussing intuition?
>
> It's better than being illogical.
>
> > So maybe I should have picked a slightly different word;
> > he does seem to want to get on people's nerves.
>
> What seems to you is irrelevant. You want somebody that wants to
> get on people's nerves, check out the antagonists here. Malloy is
> one of them.
You still haven't sacrificed yourself to the volcano, Oxygen Thief.
What's the fucking hold up, you miserable waste of skin...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:32 -0500
John Jensen wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> : > It is too bad that my advice was taken as a complaint. Our Kulkis might
> : > be happier if he learned when to suffer fools lightly.
>
> : I prefer to make the fool suffer.
>
> You presuppose some fool is suffering.
You're just not sentient enough to notice.
Oxygen deprivation does that, you know.
>
> John
> --
> 33° 39' 44N 117° 45' 08W
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:15:18 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> Typical liberal. Complains that nobody is fixing his problems for him.
And which of our nation's problems are you fixing, wannabe-war-hero?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:14:57 -0500
LShaping wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
> >(FM transmitters can fit into microphones
>
> If the transmitter can run off of the microphones power source,
> because they require a lot of power. I do not know what the state of
Depends on the power level.
I have a couple complete Mic + fm transmitter circuit + antenna
that fits on the head of a 9V battery.
1 Watt broadcast power.
> the art is, just that transmitters require one thousand times more
> power (a rough estimate) than receivers.
true.
> LShaping
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Since this is an Advocacy....
Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:15:56 GMT
Martigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a Butchered Dell system, old PIII 450 with Geforce,
> SoundBlaster.... I have installed Caldera 2.3 with the old Gfx card, no
> prob. BUT with the GeForce the Xfree couldn't hack it, so I wanted to
> install RH6.2, no luck. RH 6.2, RH 7.0, Mandrake 7.1, Mandrake 7.2, and
> Caldera 2.3 give me the same stuff. At the Graphical install the Keyboard
> and mouse lock up.
> What try the text install did that, no help. Actually booted Lvl3
> logged on as root and booted X, still same keyboard and mouse problem. Lots
> of headache this is. I'm willing to try every way...But it does explain why
> Bill has made so much money off of people that don't want to spend hours,
> days, even weeks trying to figure out a keyboard, mouse problem.
Wow, I have almost the exact same machine, only with an aureal vortex.
Ive installed freebsd, debian and Mandrake 7.2 all without any hitch or
hassle at all.
And with mandrake, my USB mouse and scrollwheel worked out of the box.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:15:20 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>
> > Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> It is widely understood that redhat is the (by far) shittiest linux
> > >> distribution that currently exists.
> >
> > > Widely understood by whom?
> >
> > By people who use linux all the time.
>
> Hmm, I use Linux all the time; everyone around here uses Linux all the
> time. I'm involved with a Linux user's group here -- they all use
> Linux all the time.
>
> I don't know these "people" that you keep talking about.
>
> > > I use RedHat all the time and I'd definately put Corel Linux, Stable
> > > Debian and Slackware behind it for different reasons:
> >
> > > Corel Linux is completely unstable
> >
> > But far more secure.
>
> Unstable is secure?
>
> Perhaps you need to define security.
>
> > > Stable Debian is so stable, it's modly with old software
> >
> > You are entirely misinformed.
>
> Debian stable first used a 2.2 kernel on August 15, 2000 -- almost 2
> years after the 2.2 kernel made its first apearance.
>
> > > Slackware has horrible package management
> >
> > So install RPM. Thats the beauty of linux you know.
>
> That's why I use a distribution, so that the mundane is done for me.
>
> > > I like SuSE and Mandrake, but I can't see much difference between them
> > > and RedHat 7...
> >
> > Then you're either blind or completely inexperienced.
>
> More unsubstantiated, insulting attacks. Are you sure you're not
> Aaron Kulkis?
All of my attacks are substantiated.
>
> > > I, for one, understand Linux completely -- and I totally disagree with
> > > your assesment.
> >
> > You do not understand linux at ALL if you cannot see the enormouse
> > differences between even mandrake and redhat.
>
> Up until last year, Mandrake was RedHat compiled with pgcc and KDE was
> included.
>
> I don't count that as an enormouse[sic] difference.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:17:36 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > YOU ARROGANT FUCKING ASSHOLE!
> >
> > Merry Christmas to you, too!
>
> Glad to see that you recognize what you are.
And when will you recognize what you are, lying wannabe "war-hero"?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:21:34 GMT
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It is widely understood that redhat is the (by far) shittiest linux
>> >> distribution that currently exists.
>>
>> > Widely understood by whom?
>>
>> By people who use linux all the time.
> Hmm, I use Linux all the time; everyone around here uses Linux all the
> time. I'm involved with a Linux user's group here -- they all use
> Linux all the time.
And theyre apparantly not very good at it.
> I don't know these "people" that you keep talking about.
I'm mostly talking about people who are paid to understand what unix
derivatives are all about.
>> > I use RedHat all the time and I'd definately put Corel Linux, Stable
>> > Debian and Slackware behind it for different reasons:
>>
>> > Corel Linux is completely unstable
>>
>> But far more secure.
> Unstable is secure?
They are independant qualities in this case.
> Perhaps you need to define security.
No, I think that you need to *understand* it.
>> > Stable Debian is so stable, it's modly with old software
>>
>> You are entirely misinformed.
> Debian stable first used a 2.2 kernel on August 15, 2000 -- almost 2
> years after the 2.2 kernel made its first apearance.
Why are you using debian stable on a desktop machine? You need to learn
all about why debian development is named the way it is, and what exists
in each tree.
>> > Slackware has horrible package management
>>
>> So install RPM. Thats the beauty of linux you know.
> That's why I use a distribution, so that the mundane is done for me.
Mundane? What you probably mean is that you dont know how to do it, and that
you cant be bothered with it.
>> > I like SuSE and Mandrake, but I can't see much difference between them
>> > and RedHat 7...
>>
>> Then you're either blind or completely inexperienced.
> More unsubstantiated, insulting attacks. Are you sure you're not
> Aaron Kulkis?
Its true. I could have called you "utterly stupid" though. I'm nicer
than that.
>> > I, for one, understand Linux completely -- and I totally disagree with
>> > your assesment.
>>
>> You do not understand linux at ALL if you cannot see the enormouse
>> differences between even mandrake and redhat.
> Up until last year, Mandrake was RedHat compiled with pgcc and KDE was
> included.
Bullshit. Mandrake has been modifying and patching kernel headers for much
longer than a year, and automated security level adjustments, experimental
filesystems, modular USB compatability, etc.
> I don't count that as an enormouse[sic] difference.
I dont either. You dont know what the difference is, AND you have little
understanding of embedded metaphor.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:22:59 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2000 18:24:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
> More cheap shots. Yes, if anyone disagrees with you, they must be stupid,
> ignorant and uninformed.
Stupid and ignorant are YOUR terms. Perhaps you should examine why you chose
these terms.
> Perhaps we should solicit your wise counsel before daring to have an opinion
> that contradicts your divine wisdom.
Maybe you should stop pretending you know all about an operating system
in which you clearly have no experience.
Now, before you get all huffy on THAT comment, I could have just called you an
idiot and been done with it. I'm not calling you an idiot, im merely calling
you misinformed.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:25:08 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2000 18:25:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Not by anyone that matters. I read somewhere
>>
>>Oh, you "read somewhere". Well that certianly makes it true.
> Whatever. Of course you won't believe it, but then, you wouldn't believe
> it if you hear it straight from Linus.
Well, hes the sort of fellow that offers reasoning and evidence to
support his statements. I probably would believe him.
>>> that Redhat is the most popular
>>> distribution among kernel developers. And I believe Linus uses it.
>>
>>Among others.
> One other, IIRC.
Debian.
>>> Most of
>>> the experts don't need to find a hard-to-use distribution just to prove
>>> that they're "cool".
>>
>>No, most use debian because its the most like freebsd. (not that youd know
> Completely unsubstantiated.
You apparantly have never used either.
>>why, or even understand why if someone explained it to you using only
>>two letter articles and a blackboard)
> I use OpenBSD, and yes, I understand why you think that Debian is "like
> FreeBSD". And no, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean that I'm
> stupid.
No, it means you're misinformed. And openbsd really is quite dissimilar to
freebsd in a number of very important ways.
> By the way, why do you feel the need to put down take cheap shots at
> those who disagree with you ? I mean, you've thrown around insults throughout
> this thread. What's your problem ? Lighten up.
They get much cheaper than MY shots. You've been posting here at least as long
as I have, you should be aware of that in spades by now.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (Bill a cheapster).
Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:26:54 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said some of
this:
> >
> > One's gotta love your logic... wouldnt it be much better that he had paid
> > those dollars in taxes so that they could be used where needed ?
> >
> > > Let's also not mention that he has contributed hundreds
> > > of millions to local childrens and children-benefit organizations
> > > around the country to support inner-city and underprivileged children.
> >
> > Same logic as above.. you think its better that people beg for money and
> > that the rich give them pocket money when they fill like it. Youre
> > disgusting.
> >
>
> Actually Chad was mistaken on the amount by an order of magnitude. In 1999
> alone Mr Gates donated over $20 Billion (with a B) to various education
> charities, that ain't exactly pocket changes.
Yeah, but 1999 was the year he *began* to systematically
distribute his ill-gotten gains. Before that it was a paltry
percentage of his annual net- nowhere near even being the
traditional 'tithe'. What makes it even worse is the
transparently 'pr' nature of the response, timed and proportioned
to the legal exposure that the DOJ/M$ case generated.
Btw, that's a B as in US 'billion' which the Brits properly call
a 'hundred million'. Among Texas oilmen it used to be called a
'large'.
Vacuo
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