Linux-Advocacy Digest #87, Volume #31            Wed, 27 Dec 00 23:13:05 EST

Contents:
  Re: Could only... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  VB job offer, and ensuing dilemma ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: MS using Linux? ("Adam Warner")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("billh")
  Thanks from a newbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Newbie: "Linux has come so far only to seem so far away" (maximus)
  Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Thanks from a newbie ("Adam Warner")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) (Chris Ahlstrom)
  Re: Windows 2000 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) (Chris Ahlstrom)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:16:14 GMT

In article <3a4a97ea$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "theworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The difference is that in the US is happens again, and again, and
again and
> again, and everytime the
> governernment "tries" to do something about it,  the so-called
constitution
> waivers start running around
> crapping on about  it's the constitutional right to have a
gun....America,
> the land of the ignorant and arrogant.
> It will never end until (which won't happen) the general population
wake
> up from there gun crazed
> obsession and relised they aren't the symbol of democracy, merly a
bi-product
> of years of indotrination.
>
> the world has spoken
>

And don't expect it to get any better when the rootin'-tootin' Texas
executioner takes office as their President.  These people just have to
grow old and die before any sensible change can occur. Charlton Heston,
chief bullshitter for the gun lobby, he's older than dirt's grandfather
and won't be around much longer. And thank $DEITY rednecks don't know
enough to vote (Florida proved this). Maybe, just maybe, in a few years
we can expect some semblance of civilization to take sprout in the
colonies. Otherwise they're like Klingons - except stupid.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: VB job offer, and ensuing dilemma
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:29:24 GMT

Hey, I really could use some input here... and it is Linux-related
(eventually)...

I'm doing an accelerated computer programming course at a professional
college. I was just offered a job recently, about seven months before I
graduate, which would teach me some things that I didn't pick up at
school, namely COM/COM+ programming within an ASP environment, mostly
using Visual Basic and VBScript. Now, I'm at the top of my class at
school, but according to these guys I'm just an advanced beginner (fair
enough, I don't disagree). The thing is, what they're offering is 25
hours a week, at minimum wage, for a few months worth of training, at
which point things would get renegotiated (unsure to what terms,
although using minimum wage as a starting point... yeesh...).

Now, I'm getting more than that on unemployment insurance, so part of me
is thinking that I should just say "Thanks, but no thanks", and put the
effort into training myself in something else, namely, building C
front-ends for MySQL or PostgreSQL, or Java front-ends for Oracle. The
thing is, those would be neat-o jobs I'd like to have, whereas this is
one real-life job that I CAN have. How dumb is it to turn down a job
offer like the one I was given to try to learn the stuff I want to learn
instead?

Secondly, among those of you who are reading this, are there a lot of
people doing (or have already done) these sorts of accelerated programs?
Is this sort of job offer for a student at or near graduation par for
the course? Should I be grateful for the offer?

By the way, for what it's worth, I'm pretty close to the top of my
class, which is pretty good until you start considering that things such
as Assembly are getting removed from the curriculum, and things like COM
aren't really touched on.

Thanks for any insight that anybody can offer.

ws


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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS using Linux?
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:43:44 +1200

Hi sfcybear,

Thanks, what a great set of articles, and to come out of ZDNet of all
places!

http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/column/0,4712,2668494,00.html

http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2664804,00.html
http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2664804-2,00.html

Windows streaming media from Linux servers! And apparently faster than the
Win2k servers.

The irony is delicious. Of course we need to work hard to test and promote
open streaming formats, especially:

http://www.xiph.org/ogg/

Regards,
Adam



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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:44:46 GMT


"T. Max Devlin"

> I think the point is that he can handle it.  That is one of the things
> that is annoying about Aaron, and most other trolls; they lie and don't
> care that it is known that they lie.  Whether what they post is true or
> not is irrelevant; the point is to yank your chain.  That's what makes
> them trolls on Usenet, and that's what makes them annoying people in
> real life.

KuKu can't handle admitting that almost everyone knows he's full of crap and
a wannabe.  He'd have to admit to be the phoney he truly is.  He honestly
believes he's hot shit which makes one want to laugh if it weren't so
pathetic.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Thanks from a newbie
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:45:51 GMT

 Hi Guys,
        I have been playing with various distributions for a while and was not
too happy with most of them. Today I picked up a copy of Red Hat 7.
Forty minutes from starting the install on a cold machine to posting
here. I am very impressed with the improvements to the install process.
Assuming that the other distributions are making the same kind of
progress it will not be long before Linux becomes the no brainer choice
even for people that have very little computer experience.

Thank you to all the hackers and to red hat in particular.

Now to start figuring out what all those things in the install log are.

--
When you shoot at the messenger you are admitting
that you have lost the argument.


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From: maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie: "Linux has come so far only to seem so far away"
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:52:48 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  matt newell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maximus wrote:
<snip all>

> I couldn't really find your point?

Not only have I been in the business since 1967, I have a Business
degree which included many hours of studying Management and
Communications. So I will try again to clarify it for you. Nothing
personal. Judging from what you in particular wrote in response to my
initial post, YOU proved my point. Your type of comments, probably
unknowingly, represent what is wrong with the Linux community-this is
not to reflect on all the honest serious people who want to see Linux
be successful while not blowing their own horn. I am looking for help,
want to contribute and am distressed at what I observe happening. You
chose to ignore that and begin the Linux ranting and raving while
completely oblivious that someone is concerned (objectively) and is
asking for advice. I am willing to eat humble pie, so to speak, to
listen and learn from serious honest informed people in the Linux
community. I am not a microsoft zealot nor a linux zealot, just looking
for the best business solutions for my clients. I have seen this happen
before as I stated in my original post and my point is, PLEASE *don't*
let it happen again. I was also hoping, perhaps too optimistically,
that someone from the Linux community could help me-a newbie to Linux-
chose the *best* distro that I could learn, use and ultimately use in my
consulting business. You will see all of this IF you read the initial
post in it's entirety.

>
> Linux is not fragmenting, any linux developer knows that.

Objectively, I disagree. My wish is that I am to be proved wrong.

>
> Linux has many good applications, sure it is a bit behind with word
> proccessing, but in other areas it is even or ahead of windows.

Again, I am not trying to make this a windows vs. Linux issue. My
concern is that application development (not OS distro's) could be
much further along than it seems to be.


> Many people have problems installing linux and getting the hardware
> working
> good, but how many of those people have installed windows?  Most
>computers
> ship with windows so they never have to go through the hell of
> Installing,
> downloading drivers, restarting, downloading different drivers
> restarting....This happens all the time and can be a real pain even
> for the most advanced user, because they have to follow the same
> mindless dialoges as the newbie.

Again, YOUR comments substantiate my concern. Linux vs. Windows,
Windows vs. Linux, Linux distro's vs. Linux distro's. People this,
People that. To be frank, life's a bitch on both sides of the fence but
this type of dialogue is absolutely a dead end and the most
unproductive waste of time there is.

>
> Matt Newell
>
> You shouldn't go to a newsgoup and make a prediction about something
> that you know nothing about.
>

The Great Karnak made predictions, not I. Once you have been in this
business for a while, you will be be able to ascertain the difference
between a prediction and a request for help. I make this one comment
directly to you Matt Newell, thank God for all the good Linux people.

--
"Strength and Honor"


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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:12:16 -0500

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > Five years.
> > >
> > > And I still see the horrible RedHat Linux "Control Panel" is still
> > > lingering.
> > >
> > > Although there are some advantages to the Control Panel, Linuxconf has
> > > pretty much overridden it in functionality and features, making the
> Control
> > > Panel items useless.
> >
> > I use them a lot.  Linuxconf doesn't let you control the
> >
> > background
> > panel
> > screensaver
> > theme selector
> > window manager
> > MIME types
> > URL handlers
> > Window manager behavior (and its 11 items)
> > User interface.
> >
> > Do you really /use/ Linux?
> 
> 'Window manager' behavior?   Which window manager?   Are you recommending
> forcing everyone to use a single window manager or teaching Linuxconf to
> configure all possible window managers?   Do you really have a hard time
> finding the place to control these in KDE or GNOME?

Well, he *IS* a retard...


> 
>           Les Mikesell
>             [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:19:00 -0500

Pete Goodwin wrote:
> 
> mlw wrote:
> 
> > In my experience:
> > Linux is more stable, Windows hangs too often.
> 
> Linux on its own is stable yes.
> 
> But Linux + KDE, I'd disagree.
> 
> > Linux is easier to configure, windows buries settings in endless
> > hierarchies of dialog boxes, and I frequently have to go looking. If you
> > bounce between Windows NT and 98, you will notice that similar things
> > are in different places and it is frustrating and hard to use.
> 
> Some would say that because you're used to Linux you'll find it easy to
> configure. Others have pointed out to me that because I'm used to Windows I
> find it easier to configure than Linux, because I'm used to where
> everything is.
> 
> Recently I had to drop down to the CLI to get SMB to startup on boot. For
> some reason linuxconf couldn't do it for me. I had to figure out how to
> create a symbolic link and where to put it, and what to call it (S35smb and
> K35smb). Those names are really intuitive aren't they?

Learning "S for Start/K for Kill + sequence number" is sooooo difficult.


Maybe we should get you a Talking Barbie.

                        "Math class is too hard!"

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:20:47 -0500

Pete Goodwin wrote:
> 
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> 
> > Yup...'S' for "start", a number to indicate the order (i.e. S40 is
> > started after S35 during boot), and a few letters to indicate what
> > daemon.  'K' for "kill" and a number to indicate the order.  Makes
> > perfect sense to me.
> 
> It makes sense once you know the coding. Why not simply use START35smb and
> KILL35smb. That's a bit more readable, surely.
> 
> Or why not use a STARTUP script. OpenVMS uses a startup script and a
> shutdown script.

Which is exactly why DOS always turned into a fucking mess after
the installation of large amounts of software.

it's MUCH better to just have a directory full of scripts to run,
so that each app plays ONLY WITH ITS *OWN* scripts and leaves
everything else the fuck alone.


> 
> > So what?  Does this so confuse you that it causes a problem?  Or is this
> > more a theoretical thing?
> 
> I hate having to learn new ways of doing the same old thing. Plus, KDE's
> style seems to be much better than GNOME or MOTIF. The remembering of
> locations last used is very useful.
> 
> > Besides that, you might notice that Windows isn't all as consistent as
> > it is held out to be.  Check out Kai's Power Tools or pretty much any of
> > the recent crop of US Income Tax programs for examples of "we did it our
> > way" interfaces.
> 
> Yes, there are always exceptions. But the majority follow the rules. Can
> the same be said about a Linux Distro? Can I find applications on Linux
> Mandrake 7.2 that all pretty much follow a standard set of rules like KDE?
> Sorry, no I can't! There appear to be 40% GNOME, 40% KDE and whole bunch of
> others.
> 
> That's not diversity, that's just confusion!
> 
> > >Windows has just one, that makes it easier to do.
> >
> > Windows also provides little choice of GUI.
> 
> That's pretty much my point, isn't it?
> 
> What you seem to be advocating is a set of three distinctly different ways
> of doing GUI on a desktop. It's a bit of mess because you can't drag and
> drop between those three styles, you can't expect standard dialogs to even
> _look_ the same (take a look at gv for instance) let alone give the user a
> chance to expect things in similar places.
> 
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Thanks from a newbie
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:23:37 +1200

Hi lectron,

> I have been playing with various distributions for a while and was not
> too happy with most of them. Today I picked up a copy of Red Hat 7.
> Forty minutes from starting the install on a cold machine to posting
> here. I am very impressed with the improvements to the install process.

That's great news. Remember to download and install all the security updates
(if you're not using Redhat's free-for-a-limited-time service).

http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/

I find the best way is to find a good mirror and download all the updates
out of the i386 subdirectory (you may also want to check the i686
subdirectory if your CPU supports it).

You then just type:

rpm -Fvh *.rpm

in the directory you have downloaded the updates. This command only
"freshens" existingly installed software and won't install software that
isn't already installed.

Here's a mirror list of update sites:

http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html

Here's example URLs to download the updates from:

ftp://ftp.codemeta.com/pub/mirrors/redhat/updates/7.0/i386/
ftp://ftp.codemeta.com/pub/mirrors/redhat/updates/7.0/i686/

Regards,
Adam




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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:22:35 -0500

billh wrote:
> 
> "T. Max Devlin"
> 
> > I think the point is that he can handle it.  That is one of the things
> > that is annoying about Aaron, and most other trolls; they lie and don't
> > care that it is known that they lie.  Whether what they post is true or
> > not is irrelevant; the point is to yank your chain.  That's what makes
> > them trolls on Usenet, and that's what makes them annoying people in
> > real life.
> 
> KuKu can't handle admitting that almost everyone knows he's full of crap and
> a wannabe.  He'd have to admit to be the phoney he truly is.  He honestly
> believes he's hot shit which makes one want to laugh if it weren't so
> pathetic.



I was decorated multiple times in SWA Theater of Operations.
Bill wasn't.

No wonder he's so jealous.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:25:25 -0500

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> 
> Said billh in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:54:31 GMT;
> >"T. Max Devlin"
> >
> >> >Kulkis has claimed to do things he hasn't.  One is that he has claimed to
> >> >have been on classified ops that he can't talk about, yet he talks about
> >> >them. [...]
> >>
> >> He's yanking your chain, dude.
> >
> >No, actually he just pathetically and desperately tries to impress others by
> >lying and can't handle it when he gets caught in those lies.
> 
> I think the point is that he can handle it.  That is one of the things
> that is annoying about Aaron, and most other trolls; they lie and don't
> care that it is known that they lie.

Ask Bill about how belief that EVERY German, Japanese, North Korean,
Chinese, VietCong, and North Vietnamese combatant observed the
Geneva Convention and refrained from firing at medics.

Then ask him why in WW2, Korea, and VietNam, for EACH war, medics
a casualty rate 50% higher than the infantry serving in the same war.




>                                      Whether what they post is true or
> not is irrelevant; the point is to yank your chain.  That's what makes
> them trolls on Usenet, and that's what makes them annoying people in
> real life.
> 
> --
> T. Max Devlin
>   *** The best way to convince another is
>           to state your case moderately and
>              accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***
> 
> Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
> http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:26:36 GMT

"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Do you really /use/ Linux?
> >
> > 'Window manager' behavior?   Which window manager?   Are you recommending
> > forcing everyone to use a single window manager or teaching Linuxconf to
> > configure all possible window managers?   Do you really have a hard time
> > finding the place to control these in KDE or GNOME?
> 
> Well, he *IS* a retard...

I thank you for taking the time to post this noisome message concerning
my intelligence quotient.  It makes me feel.... needed.  If I can
provide even such joy unto a few otherwise melancholy users, I consider
my life worthwhile.  And if not, there is always....


















                        .... oblivion.














Okay, kids, time to parrrrrrrrrrrrrrty!  Tap that keg!!!!!!!

Chris, parte' animal' extraordinaire

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:27:12 -0500

craig nellist wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Star Office
> > >
> > > Close, but no cigar.
> >
> > Is there some reason, other than theological, for holding up
> > the ever-changing MS-WORD file format as if it were superior
> > to all others?
> >
> > [Hint fucking hint: it ain't anywhere close....]
> 
> Who said anything about file formats? MS Office is so far ahead in terms of
> features & usability it's not funny. True, the file formats aren't the
> greatest, but the average user couldn't give a fuck what format their files
> are in.

Really?  Tell that to Office97 users who recieve Office2000 documents.

You know....just like when Office 6.0 users recieved Office97 documents

And when Word5.0 users recieved Word6.0 documents.


There's a reason I call it LOSEdows.





-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:28:20 GMT

Peter Hayes wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:28:35 +0200, JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:57:22 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >  ("Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >If your dial up connection is so anemic that you can't afford to download an
> > >extra 5kilobytes of data, you need to get a better job, or give up the
> > >internet.
> >
> > If everyone does it then that's a lot of bytes.
> 
> And your ISP has to store all these superfluous bytes, adding to costs
> passed onto you, their customer, as well as the rest of us. Or they'll
> expire news quicker to save space. Either way it costs.

Expiring this news quicker is a pretty good way to go <grin>.
Senor Kulkis provides a valuable service in making this
happen more quickly.

Chris

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