Linux-Advocacy Digest #87, Volume #35 Sat, 9 Jun 01 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM Goes Gay ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: IBM Goes Gay ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (spam)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("JS \\ PL")
Re: UI Importance ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Desktop Linux ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. (Peter
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Chad Myers")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:34:39 +0100
flatfish+++ wrote:
>
> Folks, it's a sad day for IBM supporters because apparently they have
> succumbed to the gay pressure and are mobilizing to support this
> deviant lifestyle.
>
> A recent memo released to IBM employees includes such comments as:
>
> 1. A "lunch and learn" roundtable on 6/6/01 at 590 Madison ave.
> 2. How IBM plans to attract top gay and lesbian talent.
> 3. The role of IBM's new, dedicated GLBT Sales and Talent team.
>
> The memo, which is not IBM Confidential of Internal BTW, goes on to
> quote the constitution concerning equal rights and freedom of
> expression and so forth.
>
> It also gives a contacts which I am leaving out of this post, but if
> you are interested email me.
>
> So what do ya'll think?
>
> I find it disgusting that IBM will give benefits to homo's living
> together as if they are married yet 2 heterosexual partners will not
> get the same benefits not that I believe in cohabitation before
> marriage, but you get the idea.
>
> I realize this is controversial, but I have my opinions and IBM and
> the rest of the earth has theirs.
> I'm not judging, just voicing an objection.
>
> Only God almighty has the power to judge and his judgement is swift
> and fast.
>
> flatfish+++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
Don't you fucking start
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:04:47 +0200
JS | PL wrote:
> operating systems. But I do know that Windows XP saves the consumer money
> in ways which are far above and beyond the price of the list price.
> Actually if you add in savings realized in NOT seperately purchasing it's
> newest bundled software, CD burner software, video editing, etc... the OS
> could be considered *FREE* for some.
>
JS\\PL, you somehow mixed Linux and Windows.
With Linux you get the CD burner Software, a full office suite, complete
server software for the asking or for a nominal fee (for the media). Thats
right, and you said it, it´s free. Windows on the other hand costs money,
and lots of that to boot.
Peter
--
Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:36:32 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> pip wrote:
> >
> > flatfish+++ wrote:
> > > [snip]
> >
> > This thread really does have no place here.
>
> deviancy effects EVERYONE.
>
Number 1: What is your problem with homosexuality?
Number 2:AFFECTS not EFFECTS (the former is a verb, the latter a noun)
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http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:38:39 -0700
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:47:39 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ, unfortunately, runs
>> > on Windows.
>> >
>> > Matthew Gardiner
>> >
>> NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
>> trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
>> capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
>
>About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they were
>moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or if
>it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about it
>if it went south.
>
Do you have a link to this announcement? I can't find it anywhere
using google and altavista or at MS's or Nasdaq's web sites. I'm sure
MS PR would trumpet this loudly if the exchange moved to datacenter.
>-c
>
>>
>> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:84aU6.9834$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > news:3%9U6.1335$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > In article <3b212110$0$94312$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers
>> > > says...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] dripot> wrote in message
>> > > > >news:CP8U6.1221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > >> What's the skinny ?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >What software are they running for what?
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Haven't heard about the fiasco today ?
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm talking about what they use for managing trades.
>> > >
>> > > Well, their web site runs under AIX, so one would assume that they're
>> > > probably a big IBM shop, and are probably running trades under AIX and/or
>> > > OS/390.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> --
>> Michael Vester
>> A credible Linux advocate
>>
>> "The avalanche has started, it is
>> too late for the pebbles to vote"
>> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
>
----
Glenn Davies
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:40:26 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:32:23 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >> What the fuck is a "Penguinista"?
> >> >
> >> >Militant, rabid Linux defender/supporter. It's not a derogatory
> >> >term, but it has become one somewhat.
> >>
> >> Who the fuck came up with a term like that?
> >
> >It's pretty standard. Anyone who is a militant rabid defender
> >of something is generally called a <term>inista.
>
> Erm, I haven't and I don't know anyone who's ever used such a term.
> And wouldn't that mean Windows advocates would be known as
> "shitOSinistas"?
http://penguinista.org/site-info/the-name.shtml
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:47:23 +1200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Stuart Fox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:42:20
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Stuart Fox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:00:13
> >> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:44:43 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >>
> >> >Windows GUI is as good or as
> >> >bad as the tools you run in it.
> >>
> >> Then it isn't any good, obviously.
> >
> >Guess Perl must be shit then? Or grep? Or gawk? Or sed? Yep, they're
all
> >useless tools aren't they?
>
> The "it" was Windows GUI. The tools which aren't any good are the ones
> that run on the Windows GUI. In contrast, these things you've named
> are, in fact, extremely powerful, robust, reliable tools. The Linux
> platform is not at issue. It is the Windows GUI that ends up being bad,
> because it is as good or bad as the tools you run on it.
>
> Learn to read.
Eek. My typo originally, I meant to say Windows CLI. That was the context
in which the previous discussion was taking place. My bad.
>
> >> >Bash is almost completely useless without
> >> >all the little tools and utils that you need to run it, same applies
to
> >> >cmd.exe
> >>
> >> Hardly. Bash is enormously more capable than command.com or cmd.exe.
> >> Always has been, always. You sound as stupid as Chad Myers when you
say
> >> something like this.
> >
> >I'd like to see a few examples of what you can do with bash without using
> >any other programs.
>
> I have already provided several in post you are replying to. Learn to
> read.
You haven't at all.
>
> >Out of a natural curiousity and a desire to learn. Of
> >course, you do seem to enjoy "teaching people a lesson", so this should
be
> >fun for you :)
> >
> >> Sure, the large expanse of conventional Unix tools are important. But
> >> then, it isn't like cmd.exe is any different.
> >
> >Exactly - like I say, your shell is mostly limited by the tools you can
use
> >in it.
>
> How could being able to use external tools be a limitation? You are not
> making any sense.
If you cannot use certain tools in your shell, you are limited. If you can
use any tool in your shell, you are not limited.
>
> >> >Give me an example of how it's crippled?
> >>
> >> No korne, bourne, OR c shell syntax support.
> >
> >So it sucks because it isn't Unix?
>
> No, it sucks because it does not support the de facto standard shells
> for Unix.
Why should it? It's not Unix.
>
> >> It finally has tab
> >> completion,
> >
> >What do you mean finally? Since 1996?
>
> That one didn't work. MS didn't even mention it exists, really; some
> 'NT secrets' researcher figured out NT had tab completion, but it was
> off by default. It wasn't until 2000 that Windows "finally" had a
> usable tab completion feature.
It's documented in the knowledge base how to turn it on. It's not some
"secrets" researcher.
>
> >> but it still fucks up how more should work. No c shell
> >> "bang" history syntax support, either.
> >
> >Not familiar with this sorry, can't offer a comment.
>
> Indeed. Now, explain to us why you are claiming BASH doesn't have any
> features that cmd.exe has when you obviously don't even know what
> features BASH has to begin with?
Because I've never seen a bash script that doesn't use any external
executables.
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Desktop Linux
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:49:17 +1200
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ftgtv$5uleb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I think the best attribute of Windows is its implementation of OLE. For
> > example, it's nice to be able to edit a diagram, and stick it neatly
> > into a Word document, and instantly see where your diagrams are. With
>
> You can do this on linux as well - Staroffice, Openoffice and Koffice can
> all embed files from one type of office application inside documents from
> another type (e.g. embedding editable spreadsheets inside wordprocessor
> files) so there is no real reason that linux cannot be used by those who
> need this feature ( the only current problems are lack of printing in
> openoffice and no MS office export filter in Koffice but if you need to do
> these things then staroffice will do them well ).
I'm interested, I haven't checked this out, but does anyone know what's
happening with StarOffice since they opened the source? Have they released
any new versions?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:54:27 -0700
Greg Cox wrote:
>
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9fr2mu$gnv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:mT6U6.68368$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Sometimes. What I have here is a question: how
> > > > > is IBM involved in WFC, really?
> > > >
> > > > I think the question is why, rather then how.
> > >
> > > My question is "how"; I'll ask why once
> > > I know how.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > > > > I think MS's software is frequently well
> > > > > designed, and often better designed than the
> > > > > competition.
> > > > >
> > > > > They rarely get the implementation right on
> > > > > the first try; it's the good designs they use that
> > > > > allow them to overcome this in later
> > > > > revisions of their software.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, this is a rational explanation to MS' Ver 3.0 sympthom.
> > > > Scarry!
> > >
> > > I've heard it said that MS uses fresh-out-of-school
> > > grads for a lot of implementation work, but
> > > experienced developers for design.
> > >
> > > I dunno if this is true, but it explains a lot,
> > > if it is.
> >
> > It's true. There was a Seattle Times article a couple of years ago that
> > mentioned the entry level salary of a MS programmer... $18k. But it
> > mentioned that they also get stock options. (A carrot!)
> >
>
> This is pure BS. Microsoft is known to have low salaries (with stock
> options) but nothing anywhere this low.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BS yourself. Go read the Seattle Times... if they screwed up the
article its not my fault.
Do you work for MS??
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:55:52 -0700
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > It's true. There was a Seattle Times article a couple of years ago that
> > mentioned the entry level salary of a MS programmer... $18k. But it
> > mentioned that they also get stock options. (A carrot!)
>
> Did they mention the salary of the same programmer several years later?
> I understand that it's quite high.
No the Times didn't... but they did say that those that could perform
usually ended up rich after about 7 to 10 years. Mind you, only the few
best got there.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 15:58:27 -0700
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> > >
> > > I think MS's software is frequently well
> > > designed, and often better designed than the
> > > competition.
> >
> > Well, I'm having to do a lot of work arounds with VC++6.0.
> > For some reason or other they've got the private sections of classes
> > screwed up.
> > I have to make a lot of private variables public because of this nasty
> > bug.
> > I feel that this compromises the idea of encapsulation and isolation.
> > Could this really be the cause of some of MS software failing??
> >
> > Metrowerks C++ works real well and so does Gnu g++.
>
> Unfortunately, the C++ implementation is not Microsoft's strong
> suit. Neither is the MFC (does Microsoft even know what a
> constructor is for?)
>
> The compiler, debugger, and IDE are fast, and pleasant to use,
> but, for the pure C++ part, Borland C++ 5.4 is better.
> (However, Borland C++ 5.5 gave me some problems with some C
> code.)
>
> I'd like to standardize completely on gcc some day. It'll
> take a few years <grin>.
>
> Chris
I'm waiting for 3.0 of gcc... that compiler really needs a good IDE.
Metrowerks is lower cost and better than VC6.0.
I downloaded Borlands compiler 5.5 on a trial-run-limited-time use and I
really
didn't like it.
--
V
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:34:27 +0200
Form@C wrote:
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> news:9fu323$m9v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> <snip>
>> Okay, so you got routers capable of IPv6, it won't be wide-spread use
>> until MS support it.
>> Beside, MS putting IPv6 in the OS will give the IPv6 supporters a lot
>> more power when pushing the routers manufacterers.
>>
>
> perhaps the wrong group to ask but...
>
> anyone any idea if M$ is putting it into the XP release?
>
> <ducks to avoid flaming arrows etc... ;-) >
>
I´m sure they would love to...
But first they have to understand how IPv4 actually works...
Peter
--
If Windows is the answer then it probably has been a stupid question
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:36:55 +0200
>
> I don't have to toss anything, or buy anything. My cost is zero. I have
> it running on a computer I bought several YEARS ago. So how much did it
> REALLY cost? $0.00
> Didn't even cost me the $2.60, it runs on 60MB EDO RAM. MY cost to provide
> it with enough ram = $0.00. It runs every app I throw at it. And I might
> add, it runs quite a bit FASTER than Mandrake ran on the same exact
> computer last weekend. Talk about slow! My god! I'm usually pretty patient
> when it comes to Linux's shortcommings but my god I had to get it off that
> box.
>
>
Sure, sure.
Yawn. Next one, please...
Peter
--
Stop repeating yourself. Try something original - like suicide
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:00:19 -0700
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Metrowerks C++ works real well and so does Gnu g++.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the C++ implementation is not Microsoft's strong
> > suit. Neither is the MFC (does Microsoft even know what a
> > constructor is for?)
>
> They do. However when they wrote C++, the
> sematics of constructor were not yet standardized,
> so they avoided the problem areas by having separate
> initialization methods.
>
> The problem they avoided this way was
> having exceptions thrown from inside
> constructors. When MFC came out, nobody
> knew what should happen when exceptions
> are thrown from inside constructors, but
> there was no other way to signal errors.
>
> A *lot* of the problems and general weirdness
> of MFC are due to issues of this sort.
>
> I do agree about the C++ implementation- it's
> one of the least complete modern compilers.
>
> But the IDE sure is nice.
>
> [snip]
True enough... there is one gripe on their IDE... I move from project to
project and sometimes I'd like to transfer over a custom header or file
to another project... a real pita currently.
--
V
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:06:06 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Nothing. This is just typical knee-jerk reaction here. It's a
> > > Microsoft innovation, so it's automatically suspect and evil.
> > >
> >
> > Thats right. It is from micro$oft, so it is suspect and evil. Lets see,
> > you see a serial killer walking down the street, and a body lying in the
> > street... whats your guess?
>
> I fail to see the connection........
>
> Dan
You dont look... so you dont see.
--
Rick
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:03:40 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Daniel Johnson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 16:15:11 GMT
> <jYrU6.72274$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> GreyCloud wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> > Metrowerks C++ works real well and so does Gnu g++.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the C++ implementation is not Microsoft's strong
> >> suit. Neither is the MFC (does Microsoft even know what a
> >> constructor is for?)
> >
> >They do. However when they wrote C++, the
> >sematics of constructor were not yet standardized,
> >so they avoided the problem areas by having separate
> >initialization methods.
> >
> >The problem they avoided this way was
> >having exceptions thrown from inside
> >constructors. When MFC came out, nobody
> >knew what should happen when exceptions
> >are thrown from inside constructors, but
> >there was no other way to signal errors.
>
> I'm wondering if that has been resolved even now.
> I'll admit, though, I don't tend to use exceptions in my code.
>
> >
> >A *lot* of the problems and general weirdness
> >of MFC are due to issues of this sort.
> >
> >I do agree about the C++ implementation- it's
> >one of the least complete modern compilers.
> >
> >But the IDE sure is nice.
>
> It works, for the most part; some of the backwaters in the
> IDE are a little weird though. For example, it's not clear
> that specifying libraries on a single command line, as opposed
> to some sort of file selector list, is the cleanest method of
> editing the project, especially if one has to put them in some
> sort of order (with DLLs, this doesn't appear to be an issue).
>
> They also duplicate check boxes. This isn't too bad as long as
> they're kept in sync.
>
> I have had the IDE crash 2 or 3 times on me -- although it's not
> clear whether it's the IDE, or the underlying widget set. Both
> times, I lost unsaved work (fortunately, each build saves all files),
> and I was left with a graphical subsystem with a weird little
> rectangle, that was the drop-down for the combo box (which makes me
> wonder whether it is the underlying widget set). This in spite of
> the fact that the IDE is long dead; I had to log out to get
> rid of the stupid thing.
>
> On Win2k, I haven't crashed the IDE yet, so maybe that was the issue.
> I hope so.
>
> The C++ compiler itself is run-of-the-mill; the 5.0 variant had at
> least one problem with memory allocation, screwing up code (at one
> point I could prove this with a snatch of code and its assembly output,
> but it's long since been lost) -- although, again, it could have
> been an issue with the OS (NT). I don't know if the 6.0 variant
> is the best of breed from a performance standpoint, or not (my work
> doesn't require that the C++ be optimized to death).
> It's also picky; the '::std' is actually required -- although that
> might be more an issue with the STL implementation. (I can't
> complain about this too much; the standard requires that the
> name prefix be used, either explicitly or by adding 'using namespace std;'
> somewhere in the code -- Gnu G++ isn't quite as knowledgeable
> about namespaces, apparently.)
>
> And then there's #pragma warning(disable:4786). Aaargh!
> Did MS intentionally limit their linker to 256 characters so that
> developers will give up on STL and use the MFC collection classes
> instead?
>
> One wonders.
MS will fix it someday. "New and improved! Get your VC7.0 today while
supplies last!"
I can hear it now.
It seems to always boil down to the upgrade spiral.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:05:27 +0200
Just to clear the confution, here is an image of how the Smart Tags works.
http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/SmartTags.png
Notice the purple line underneat Critix (mid left one), that is how you know
that there will be a response if you hover above it.
Notice the menu that pops up if you click on the little graphic.
In order to get to it, you need to hover above an underlined word, and click
on the icon that appears, then the menu would appear.
The links that it leads to resolve to (on the order they appear):
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/rcnews.asp?Symbol=CTXS
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/profile.asp?Symbol=CTXS
http://www.citrix.com/
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.asp?Symbol=CTXS
http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=CTXS
http://search.msn.com/results.asp?RS=CHECKED&Dom=il&un=doc&v=1&q=CITRIX
The links don't change in color if you already visited the site.
P.S. I tested it with the Microsoft keyword, and it does exactly the same
thing.
I am as amused as always by MS' adress:
One Microsoft Way
Redmond WA 98052-6399
BTW, I'm still looking for a way to search for a company's net worth, anyone
knows how to do it?
--
All we have of freedom, all we use or know--
This our fathers bought for us long and long ago.
Ancient Right unnoticed as the breath we draw--
Leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the Law.
Rudyard Kipling, Old Issue, 1899
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:09:12 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > And how is that any different from the links available based on a page from
> > > the Netscape "What's related" feature?
> >
> > 1. Its a micro$oft "feature"
> > 2. Please describe this "what's realted feature". I am not familiar with
> > it. I rarely go to a netscape page purposely.
> > 3. Benefit of doubt... even if it were the same, how would that excuce
> > micro$oft?
>
> You really need to learn something about this before you attack it.
> You only look foolish here.
>
> The "What's Related" feature has NOTHING to do with "a netscape page".
> It's a feature of the Netscape 6 browser. It's sorta like the IE 6
> Smart Tags, but not nearly as clean or easy to use.
>
> You see, I know because I've actually used both. Unlike you, who
> obviously have used neither IE 6 not Netscape 6. Of course, that
> doesn't stop you from having opinions about either.
>
> Trust me - once you folks understand this and see it, it will be "Why
> didn't someone think of this sooner?". I see no reason why IE 6 for
> the Mac - or even for OS X - could not get this great feature.
>
> Dan
Becasuse I want to control the links on my page MY PAGE. The page -I
wrote-. I dont want micro$oft deciding where peole should go from my
page.
--
Rick
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:52:20 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:07:09 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:03:36 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >>> >> Since when does it have to be open source?
> >>> >
> >>> >Because Penguinistas live in a world where everything should be free
> >>> >and everyone's happy and roses grow everywhere =)
> >>>
> >>> What the fuck is a "Penguinista"?
> >>
> >>Militant, rabid Linux defender/supporter. It's not a derogatory
> >>term, but it has become one somewhat.
> >
> >Who the fuck came up with a term like that?
>
> Look up some Argentinian history, and you may be enlightened. :-)
> Specifically, Juan and Evita Peron. Juan's rise to power
> was a long and complicated one, and his supporters were,
> for some reason, known as Peronistas.
>
> Or maybe it was his government "hatchet men", who liked to
> "disappear" people [*]. In any event, a fair number of
> two-syllable words are amenable to this treatment: penguins
> among them. Since the Linux logo is a happy sitting penguin,
> well ... :-)
>
> Not that it's a horribly logical usage, mind you.
>
> Of course, what's sauce for the goose might be sauce for the gander;
> one might coin the term "Micronista". The only problem with that
> term is that certain elements in Micronesia might object. :-)
>
> Unfortunately, "Gates" is not bisyllabic. "BillGateista" sounds funny.
> "Ballmerista" might be a possibility, but less understandable.
>
> [*] No, "disappear" is not normally a transitive verb. :-)
I thought it was from the Nicaraguan Sandanistas (sp?).
-c
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