Linux-Advocacy Digest #705, Volume #31 Wed, 24 Jan 01 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Code Decay ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: M$ websites down again (Milton)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: NT is Most Vulnerable Server Software ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Mig)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why "uptime" is important. (Mark Styles)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice (Roberto Alsina)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("ono")
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? (.)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? (.)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? (J Sloan)
Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up? (.)
Re: M$ websites down again (.)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:55:04 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:34:11 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, kiwiunixman
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote
> >> on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:07:39 +1300
> >> <94jafv$j3o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >using such a poofter OS as WIndows, fuck, what a waste of time! use
> >> >something with a bit of bite like a SUN Starfire or IBM s/900z for
> >> >christsake!
> >>
> >> PC doesn't stand for "pathetic compatible" anymore. :-) A 1Ghz
> >> Athlon sitting on a user's desktop isn't a mere toy, although it's
> >> not going to serve gigabytes of information per hour, either.
> >
> >Why not? 5 years ago at GM Powertrain, I had 50 MHz HP-UX machines
> >serving hundreds of megabytes per hour.
>
> Is that a PC or a Unix worstation? :-) I've used an HP-UX C360
> myself; good machine, good OS.
Unix workstations.
>
> [rest snipped]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 1d:20h:57m actually running Linux.
> The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does Code Decay
Date: 24 Jan 2001 13:58:17 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Yes and no. Code itself doesn't decay, but it's associations can.
> >
> > For instance, an interface the code uses can be changed, and thus the
code
> > breaks despite no actual decay in the program itself.
> >
> > Over time, architectures become clouded and brittle when there are many
> > changes. We've all seen a house that's had addition after addition
added on
> > to it, and after a while it looks like a frankenstein's monster. The
same
> > is true of code that is hacked or patched but not rewritten.
>
> Oh, wait. Lets let just of brief silence punctuate the humor. ready?
ready?
>
> OK, I have code that is almost 10 years old that still compiles and works
for
> console DOS and UNIX.
gee, maybe cause console DOS hasn't change in 10 years? And perhaps the
existance of the same libraries in unix makes that code still operation?
>
> I have very little code that can be compiled without tweaks for Windows.
strange, even VB1 code will compile just fine under whistler for me.
Backwards compatibility has never really been much of an issue (holds
windows back sometimes, if you ask me).
>
> A stable platform is very important.
which is why I use W2K
>
> One of the reasons Microsoft only makes crap is because they do not design
> before they write. They hack an interface and change is constantly making
it
> virtually impossible to build a stable code base. Most UNIX code can
remain
> untouched for a decade or more and still be usable. The same can't be said
for
> Windows.
gee, perhaps cause unix is still ancient and hasn't advanced any in a decade
or more. Text mode is still text mode.
>
> Aside from UI and Multimedia, computer technology has changed very little
in 20
> years. Yes, the PC platform has grown leaps and bounds but mostly only
> improvements to existing constructs. If one were to look at a Sun from
1984 and
> a PC today, you would be hard pressed to find many fundamental
differences.
I guess cars haven't change very much 50 years - just improvments to
existing constructs...
so, would you consider working on a Model T the same as working on a 2001
Corvette?
Do you think you can still compile up some tires for that Model T?
> They would look different, and many things would be faster/bigger in the
PC,
> but there would be few "new" things.
>
> So why has Windows changed so much?
because it keeps improving instead of staying stagnant like unix.
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From: Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:58:34 -0500
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:45:49 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Did you read the article? It clearly states that the web servers are not
>down, and gives you a link to them in IP format.
"Microsoft confirmed on Wednesday that a number of its online sites are
currently unavailable and have been down for a number of hours.
Sohn said the problem stems from Microsoft's Domain Name Servers
The servers are operated and maintained by Microsoft."
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2677896,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
You were saying?
Microsoft sites in Europe also appear to be affected. "We've heard some
customers in Europe are having problems as well," said Sohn, who added
that the outage may affect customers globally"
I like this quote:
"Cotse.com, a specialist Web site for computer technicians, said that
use of only one subnet broke one of the 'golden rules' of network
engineering and meant Microsoft was effectively putting "all its eggs in
one basket".
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16340.html
--
«««««««««««««««««««««««»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Milton B. Hewitt
CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:06:47 -0600
Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS servers, or
spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of the
internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his own
site that were trying to go to NSI.
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Doesn't Microsoft have their own DNS server?
> You'd think they have redundant DNS servers!
> I have my own DNS server and I never have
> any problems!
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and
a
> > server being down.
> >
> > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
> > > Maybe they should start using Linux! :-)
> > > Hee hee hee! :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4583218.html?tag=st.ne.1002.unkn&tag=un
> > kn
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: NT is Most Vulnerable Server Software
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:10:40 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 23 Jan
> >> 2001 01:43:32 +0100;
> >>>In article <94i3pb$d6l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >>>>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>>> Ummm...how exactly is NAT an overhead? How exactly do you scale your firewall
> >>>> performance appropriately?
> >>>
> >>>Do I really have to explain this? With NAT, whether it is one to one NAT or
> >>>hide NAT the firewal has to keep a table of which internal addresses belong
> >>>to which connection. This takes cpu cycles believe it or not. The speed of
> >>>the line is not the only criteria for deciding how powerful a system you
> >>>need. Number of rules, NAT, routing table size all affect perfomance.
> >>
> >> You were doing rather well until that last line, Roy. Don't confuse
> >> routing tables with NAT tables; they aren't at all related. Likewise,
> >> the firewall rules. These are three separate functions, NAT, router,
> >> and firewall. They don't benefit from being munged together, and you're
> >> going to find it easier to work with them, swear to god, if you keep
> >> that in mind.
>
> > Where in what I wrote am I confusing NAT and routing? A firewall which
> > forwards packets between different networks is a router
>
> Wow, does that mean my bridge is a router too?
No...
A bridge is something by which you traverse obstacles (such as rivers and canyons).
A router is something by which you carve away material (and, if big enough, a
router could CREATE a canyon)
:-)
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:07:52 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mig
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:58:22 +0100
> <94l2ib$t3j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >> > Sour grapes from a Lemming.
> >> >
> >> > ...how pathetic.
> >>
> >> realvideo? ahahahaaa
> >
> >This is your best post so far. Why do you even bother when you dont have
> >anything to contributte?
>
> No, he's correct; Microsoft's video format is in fact superior
> in video quality and in compression, as I understand it.
>
> It's not portable beyond Microsoft, unfortunately.
Sorry, but i didnt claim the opposite... just didnt like the nature of his
post where he didnt back the little he said with facts or even
pseudo-facts.
--
Cheers
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:21:21 -0800
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and a
> server being down.
DNS: Domain Name SERVER. ( yes, it can also stand for service -- albeit
a server-based one. )
--
Salvador Peralta
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:22:34 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> I recompiled Netscape to disguise what platform I'm *actually* using.
>
> Security through obfuscation.
AH! That explains why 99% of your posts are pure noise! Of course! That's
it!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: 24 Jan 2001 13:27:54 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, (I know you can't answer this, but just think about it), how many
> > > > > articles/100 about Microsoft are favorable, or at least non-bashing?
> > > >
> > > > c't is a mainstream computer magazine, probably #1 in Europe.
> > > > Your theory is full of holes, do you think they can make money
> > > > by being devoted to windows bashing?
> > > >
> > > > > I bet it would be significantly lower, if not zero, than any of the
> > > > > mainstream tech magazines (PC World & Magazine, Wired, etc).
> > > >
> > > > This proves the integrity of c't. They aren't bought by microsoft
> > > > advertising dollars, they tell it like it is, and that's why c't readers
> > > > trust them technically.
> > > >
> > > > > Are there any benchmarks showing Microsoft leading anything?
> > > >
> > > > You mean mindcraft? haven't you heard, that organization has
> > > > been discredited - they were nothing more than a microsoft puppet.
> > >
> > > <sigh>
> > >
> > > in c't
> > >
> > > Please follow the thread, or don't post, sir.
> >
> > Please show some Mindcraft tests that are critical of Microsoft.
>
> Who said anything about Mindcraft. Throw them out of this
> discussion too if it makes you feel better, it won't change the
> outcome any.
I agree, but you're the one trying to discredit some source because it
publishes positive benchmarks for Linux. If you truely feel that
benchmarks are useless (and they are), then why even bother with any
of this Netcraft/Mindcraft BS?
Of course, you and the one that makes categorical statements like
"NTFS blows the doors off ext2 any day" and then get angry when
someone posts a study done in C't about INN and ext2 being a pretty
good match...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why "uptime" is important.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:32:22 -0500
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:45:45 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark Styles wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:09:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Liar.
>> >
>> >By definition, Converting files is NOT "doing nothing"
>>
>> You don't seem to have very much constructive to say.
>>
>> Converting files means taking a file of one format and putting it into
>> another format. Applix failed to do that. Applix was not clocking up
>> CPU time. The Applix conversion screen told me it was 'Converting
>> file', but didn't do anything. By any sane person's definition, that
>> is 'doing nothing'.
>
>In otherwords, it was supposed to be ENGAGED IN THE ***WORK*** of
>format conversion.
Supposed to be, yes. Unfortunately it was not, or if it was it was
doing it with no perceivable activity.
>Question: Did you send a bug report to Applix, or are you merely making
> up nonsense for the purpose of making pointless arguments here
I sent an email to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about the problem, but I never
received a response. I notice that applixware now seems to be owned by
vistasource, is their support any better?
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:40:38 -0800
Chad Myers wrote:
> People on your side have been claiming that Linux is taking over
> the Desktop market and that MS should be scared, which, as you know,
> is a big pile of BS.
I agree. Your statement is a big pile of BS. That isn't what was being
claimed at all.
This is the first post you responded to in this portion of the thread:
--
Bobby bryant wrote:
> Linux is a threat to the desktop market. (Notice that I said "threat", not
> "victor".)
--
Bobby even reiterated the word THREAT for you. My post is fully
consistent with what was being discussed from the Linux PoV,
notwithstanding the fact that some people are also calling into question
claims about the marketshare of desktops based on the number of http
requests to a few websites. This is doubly true in the case of an OS
which relies on a browser that sends 2 http requests for each document
accessed and thrice true when browsers like konqueror and lynx are often
not even looked for by many of the software packages that give browser
statistics for web sites.
--
Salvador Peralta
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Multiple standards don't constitute choice
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:33:30 GMT
In article <94lnib$9s7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <D8wa6.49647$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
> >
> > > > Everyone goes on about how Linux offers me
> > > > the 'choice' of which desktop I
> > > > can use, unlike Windows. However,
> > > > choice here does not equate to consistant
> > > > style.
>
> True
>
> > > I've tried several different look and feel themes,
> > > and each has it's advantages an weaknesses. I like
> > > KDE, the BeOS lookalike, the Gannymede theme, and several
> > > other themes.
> >
> > My point here is that there is no standard.
>
> Actually, there is a formal standard called the ICCCM which stands
> for the Interoperable, Client Communications Conventions Protocol.
If everyone actually implemented the ICCCM standard, no WM could
support keyboard shortcuts.
The ICCCM is on one hand too narrowly focused, and on the other hand,
kinda broken.
[snip]
> > The MOTIF style is similar to Gtk and can be
> > defeated by a directory with a large number of
> > files (Netscape takes ages to display the dialog).
>
> MOTIF was never put into Open Source and run-time shared libraries
must be
> purchased.
Actually, nowadays you can get free runtimes. It is supposed to become
"really open" RSN. Check out for OpenMotif. It was a rather big news
item a few months ago.
> > KDE style works better but insists on display icons
> > even when all the files aren't known. It's different again.
> > Is it so much to ask that these dialogs are consistant,
> > instead of at least three styles
> > that I can think of on Linux?
>
> But what if you like the KDE desktop and the GNOME file manager.
Mostly, today, you are SOL, since there seems to be no way I can find
to make GMC not put his own icons in the background, who even show
as windows in the KDE taskbar :-P
You can use KFM or konqueror on GNOME, though, so the example is not
entirely useless, you just need to give it backwards ;-)
> > > Developers who aren't willing to fork over $6000
> > > per programmer for the right to publish Qt programs
> > > (KDE toolkit) often chose to program
> > > for GNOME. Others who just wanted something quick and dirty wrote
> > > code in Python or Perl/TK or TCL/TK.
> >
> > Qt has been free for free software for some time now.
>
> Only a certain subset. Many of the controls and features are
> under the control of the Troll developer license.
Uh? Excuse me, but have you actually checked the license before saying
this?
Qt is under multiple licenses. One of those licenses is the GPL.
You can take Qt and do whatever you want with it, according to the GPL.
You can port it to windows, you can port it to Mac, you can turn it into
an embedded toolkit (no need, Qt/E is also GPL) or you can do nothing.
But don't come up with some mystical "Troll developer license" that
doesn't even seem to exist.
There is a commercial license. Yes. And if you buy that one, you get
even MORE rights than those the GPL grants you. But that doesn't mean
those rights granted by the GPL are not there.
> > > On the other hand, there are actually
> > > about 40 different configuration
> > > tools that have been developed to
> > > manipulate these files. Which one you
> > > like best is a matter of personal taste.
> >
> > Which one is the KDE equivalent of linuxconf?
> > DrakConf, DiskDrake etc.?
>
> KDE Control Center?
No.
--
Roberto Alsina
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "ono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:41:48 +0100
> You don't quite seem to understand what is meant by the word "unstable",
> kid.
Then explain to me please, wise old man!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: 24 Jan 2001 20:51:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and a
> server being down.
Too bad microsoft doesnt understand how to run DNS servers.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: 24 Jan 2001 20:52:32 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:42:48 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and a
>>server being down.
> It wouldn't matter to the Penguinista's anyhow.
Have YOU ever run a DNS server, claire?
I didnt think so. You may crawl away now.
=====.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:53:52 GMT
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Eric to the rescue, right on time.
Say, have you ever considered that it might not be a
weakness of the internet, but a weakness in windows?
Just a thought...
jjs
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS servers, or
> spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of the
> internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
> someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his own
> site that were trying to go to NSI.
>
> "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Doesn't Microsoft have their own DNS server?
> > You'd think they have redundant DNS servers!
> > I have my own DNS server and I never have
> > any problems!
> >
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure and
> a
> > > server being down.
> > >
> > > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
> > > > Maybe they should start using Linux! :-)
> > > > Hee hee hee! :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4583218.html?tag=st.ne.1002.unkn&tag=un
> > > kn
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Eric to the rescue, right on time.
<p>Say, have you ever considered that it might not be a
<br>weakness of the internet, but a weakness in windows?
<p>Just a thought...
<p>jjs
<p>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is
DoSing all their DNS servers, or
<br>spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness
of the
<br>internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while
back
<br>someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to
his own
<br>site that were trying to go to NSI.
<p>"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<br><a
href="news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>...
<br>> Doesn't Microsoft have their own DNS server?
<br>> You'd think they have redundant DNS servers!
<br>> I have my own DNS server and I never have
<br>> any problems!
<br>>
<br>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Too bad CNET doesn't understand the difference between a DNS failure
and
<br>a
<br>> > server being down.
<br>> >
<br>> > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<br>> > <a
href="news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>...
<br>> > > Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
<br>> > > Maybe they should start using Linux! :-)
<br>> > > Hee hee hee! :-)
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> >
<br><a
href="http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4583218.html?tag=st.ne.1002.unkn&tag=un">http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4583218.html?tag=st.ne.1002.unkn&tag=un</a>
<br>> > kn</blockquote>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why can't Microsoft keep their web servers up?
Date: 24 Jan 2001 20:53:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, they do. But it seems that someone is DoSing all their DNS servers, or
> spoofing them, or something. This has always been a severe weakness of the
> internet, and has accounted for many problems. I remember a while back
> someone hijacked Network Solutions DNS and was rerouting people to his own
> site that were trying to go to NSI.
I see you know all about the problem.
Actually, they have many DNS servers, but in true microsoft style, they
are all physically located in the same place and are on ONE switched
segment.
Ahem. Thats *really* stupid.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again
Date: 24 Jan 2001 20:54:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:45:49 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Did you read the article? It clearly states that the web servers are not
>>down, and gives you a link to them in IP format.
> Probably not.
> See my previous post :)
Oh, the one where you yet again displayed your proficiency in not knowing
what the hell youre talking about?
Tell me, claire, why is it a bad idea to put all your domain name servers
on one segment?
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