Linux-Advocacy Digest #816, Volume #31 Mon, 29 Jan 01 08:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!! (Peter Hayes)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Shane Phelps)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Raena)
Re: How long does your box run for? ("Richard J. Donovan")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
(Matthias Warkus)
Re: Another thing I've noticed. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Windows is fired again (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("Adam Warner")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:10:06 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <2nXc6.249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Tholes Tholen:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> 1) Get off your retarded ass...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I have a "retarded ass"
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> > get
>> >> >> >> off of, Kulkis.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You're sitting on it, retard.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Still making the same erroneous presupposition, even after I
>> >> > called
>> >> >> your attention to it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Still incapable of understanding Kulkis, I see, Tholen. Let's
>> >> > just say Kulkis sees things correctly, if stridently.
>> >>
>> >> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> Its going to be another Tholen vs. Malloy thread.
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you start up a group:
>> >>
>> >> comp.tholen.vs.malloy
>> >>
>> >> And argue away on that?
>> >
>> > Illogical.
>>
>> It's perfectly logical.
>>
>> You guys love to get in to long arguments that have nothing to do with
>> (in this case) Linux advocacy. The only thing in common is you guys
>> getting in to long pointless arguments.
>
> How does that make it logical to call the group comp.tholen.vs.malloy?
> You've already admitted that more than just Joe and Dave are involved.
It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread. It's moved on since, hence
the new suggestion for the name.
>> Therefore it is logical that the arguments be given a group of their
>> own since they do not fit properly in to any other group.
>
> Irrelevant to my objection, Edward.
It is still logical to give these threads their own group notwithstanding
your previous objection.
>> How about:
>>
>> comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
>
> How is that any better than:
>
> comp.discussions.edward.rosten.objects.to?
Because I am not the only person who objects to these (I cite Kulkis, for
one), so whilst this name is correct and accurate, it is not as
descriptive as it could be.
That is why
comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
would be a more suitable name than the one that you suggested.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:13:44 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:54:50 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Hayes wrote:
> >On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:15:33 -0500, Seán Ó Donnchadha wrote:
> >> And look what's
> >> happening to it as a result: years between major kernel updates,
> >> mutually incompatible distributions, distribution-specific 3d-party
> >> software, GUI wars, a mountain of unfinished crap software, and worst
> >> of all, the deadly embrace of those horrible proprietary commercial
> >> corporations (like IBM). You Lunix zealots should have kept this
> >> wonderful OS to yourselves; now that it's in the radar range of the
> >> commercial world, you may not like what it ends up turning into.
> >
> >This does worry me somewhat, the commercialisation of Linux may turn into
> >the Microsoftisation of Linux.
> >
> >BeOS, QNX, V2OS anyone?
> >
> >Peter
>
> GPL Peter.
>
> GPL.
>
> Charlie
>
Will the GPL stop Microsoft from packaging a Linux distro, adding their own
bits and flogging it to the masses under the banner of Microsoft Linux?
With the Microsoft "seal of approval" the OEMs will fall over themselves to
offer this "New Microsoft OS" preload to the public who in turn will rush
out lemming like to buy it, thereby reviving the flagging PC market.
And the only stuff M$ have to GPL is what they've lifted from other
distros, they don't have to GPL anything they wrote themselves (like SuSE's
Yast, or Id's games).
So you have Microsoft Linux for the SOHO user, Whistler for the Enterprise,
and Microsoft Office for Linux plus Microsoft Wine as the bridge between
the two.
Thus the Microsoftisation of Linux is complete.
Depressing, isn't it.
Peter
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:17:41 +1100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
[ snip ]
>
> Compare apples with apples and see what happens.
^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
Hey. you're supposed to be a *win*troll, not a *mac*troll!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist
BTW, how's the iMac going?
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:21:02 +0000
>> > How about:
>> >
>> > comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
>>
>> How is that any better than:
>>
>> comp.discussions.edward.rosten.objects.to?
>
> Is there an FAQ somewhere that will bring me up to speed on this ancient
> flame-war, obviously beloved to all parties involved? Why has it spread
> to the Mac advocacy newsgroup? I was happy with the usual "PeeCee's
> suck! No, Macs suck, you loser!" discussions. They are easier to
> comprehend.
I see Mac advocacy is similar to Linux advocacy then :-)
I have heard that this flame war started sometiome in the late 80's.
The threads ususlly look something like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tholen Tholes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are presupposing than.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it if you think you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are presupposig that I want to prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illogical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You have given no clause for which it may be considered illogical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prove it if you think you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are again presupposing that I can prove it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THOLEN YOU ARE A MISERABLE SHIT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please prove I am miserable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still can't understand Kulis, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>His argument was illogical
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Guys, gove it up, get a life!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He made an erroneous argument. I was pointing this out
>>>>>>>>>Illogical. My argument was not erroneous
>>>>>>>>Prove it if you think you can
>>>>>>>You are still erroneously assuming that I wish to porove it
and so on.
It seems that they bounce around from group to group. I remember that it
was on COLA about a year ago, and its probably the same one back here
again. I've got myself pulled in for a few threads (i'm practicing my
touch typing at the moment).
But since it's such an ancient and well known flame war that belongs to
no group, I think it really deserved a group on comp. for itself.
It's definitley one of the things you should join in when it pases. In
years to come when it has finally died, you'll be able to look back and
say I was there :-)
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:22:14 +0000
>> How about:
>>
>> comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>
> And your point is?
>
This thread is very big and long lasting and doesn't have a group of its
own, but it should.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:23:52 +0000
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Its going to be another Tholen vs. Malloy thread.
>
>>> On what basis do you make that claim? I suggest you pay more
>>> attention; I haven't responded to Malloy for several months.
>
>>>> Why don't you start up a group:
>>>>
>>>> comp.tholen.vs.malloy
>>>>
>>>> And argue away on that?
>
>>> Why would I want to do that?
>
>> I honestly have no clue,
>
> Then why did you suggest it?
See below.
>> but past experience suggests that you like arguing with Malloy.
>
> Past experience shows how I ignored Malloy for over a year, but he
> continued to litter the newsgroups with responses that did nothing more
> than claim that I had posted nothing of value, which is incredibly
> ironic.
>
> Current experience shows that I've been ignoring Malloy for several
> months, but he continues to litter the newsgroup with responses that do
> nothing more than claim that I've posted nothing of value, which is
> still incredibly ironic.
Which supports my idea that you will continue arguing, or at least one of
you will.
>> Since the arguments relate mainly to themselves, it is more logical
>> that they have a newsgrouop devoted to them.
>
> Well, create it and encourage Malloy to post them there. I doubt you'll
> succeed. Malloy needs an audience.
Sadly, i agree.
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:28:56 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:953jn1$mqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip of pedants on parade simulation >
>
> It seems that they bounce around from group to group. I remember that it
> was on COLA about a year ago, and its probably the same one back here
> again. I've got myself pulled in for a few threads (i'm practicing my
> touch typing at the moment).
>
> But since it's such an ancient and well known flame war that belongs to
> no group, I think it really deserved a group on comp. for itself.
>
> It's definitley one of the things you should join in when it pases. In
> years to come when it has finally died, you'll be able to look back and
> say I was there :-)
>
And if your place in Irrelevent Internet History is of no concern, simply
place tholen in your twit filter and move on to something more
substantive...:)
(I still think that loon is an out of work philosophy major...)
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
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From: Raena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacycomp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:48:24 +1100
In article <953jp8$mqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> How about:
> >>
> >> comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
> >>
> >> -Ed
> >>
> >
> > And your point is?
> >
>
> This thread is very big and long lasting and doesn't have a group of its
> own, but it should.
>
> -Ed
How's about alt.flame.tholen.vs.world?
The comp hierarchy does not need this kind of besmirching...
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Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:23:42 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:47:25 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:17:45 GMT...
...and Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>When that's the keyword, MS crap falls out of the picture.
> >
> > > Tell that to the 95 percent of the world that is using MS.
> >
> > Oh. Its the best because everyone uses it.
> >
> > Thats some argument youve got there.
>
> The road less traveled is less traveled for a reason genius.
Eat shit!
Millions of flies can't be wrong.
mawa
--
Gordon's Restatement of Newman's Corollary to Godwin's Law:
Libertarianism (pro, con, and internal faction fights) is *the*
primordial netnews discussion topic. Anytime the debate shifts
somewhere else, it must eventually return to this fuel source.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Another thing I've noticed.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:46:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:41:41 -0600...
...and Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Tell me how well that runs on 32MB P133.
> >
> > Blackbox without gnome runs just fine on my 75 megahertz powermac with 32
> > megs of ram.
>
> I'm sure it does. Win2k using Litestep as the shell and turning off
> services left and right will as well.
Um, yeah. But why bother? I suppose it's much easier to simply install
some standard Linux distro and use the GUI of your choice than to
butcher Windows to size, which requires third-party software (Litestep
does not ship with the Windows CD, or does it?).
mawa
--
Gordon's Restatement of Newman's Corollary to Godwin's Law:
Libertarianism (pro, con, and internal faction fights) is *the*
primordial netnews discussion topic. Anytime the debate shifts
somewhere else, it must eventually return to this fuel source.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Windows is fired again
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:52:34 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:05:21 GMT...
...and Paul Hustava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now let's see you try to delete that silly file named /dev/null under Linux.
No problem. You can do it, provided you're permitted to do so. Of
course this may screw up your system a little bit.
mawa
--
My baby said she loved me, but she lied, lied, lied!
-- The DynaTones.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:04:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock wrote:
>In article <952qiq$1lt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam Warner"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Linux Weekly News (daily updates) is reporting this new small piece of
>> work by Microsoft about Linux. It appears Microsoft can no longer
>> concentrate on the technical capabilities of Linux so it's fantasy
>> reporting from here on.
>>
>> Here's the link:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/serverappliance/kempin.asp
>>
>> I don't want to spoil the surprise. Suffice to say that Windows is far
>> better advocated in this forum than by Microsoft.
>>
>> Enjoy, Adam
>>
>>
>
>Ok, I know it's late and my eyes are getting tired, but does anyone see
>anything wrong with this statement from Microsoft:
>
>"PC users still make up less than 10% of the total world population of 500
>million people".
>
>Did they just say there are only 500 million people in the world?
>
>Or how about this:
>
>"Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media and is destined to
>fall by the wayside in time. Windows 2000 will gradually overtake the Linux
>share in the server market."
>
>Did they just admit that Linux currently has a larger share of the server
>market that Windows 2000? After all, how can you overtake if you are
>already ahead?
>
>Gary
What really cracks me up is people like this dipshit Adam Warner,
run up here and post a message from something **THEY READ** of
the microsoft.com site, pretend like it's the truth before
even investigating it, and start spreading it around the worlds
internet highways as if it were the *FACTS*.
Yet this message of his says nothing.
And going to Microsoft.com's website for backup is kind of
like the human genome project conducted during Nazi Germany.
They knew so much about it, there was no debate.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:06:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
>>
>> "Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."
>>
>> It is getting harder and harder to convince myself this is not a concerted
>> effort. In just the last day or so I have seen this phrase pop up more than a
>> couple times from a few users.
>
>
>It's been Well DOCUMENTED that Microsoft pays shit-heads to pollute
>the newsgroup with this sort of propaganda...for years.
>
>Gates probably has a descendant of Josef Goebbels working at M$.
>
>
Flatfish is certainly a paid Microsoft employee.
20 hours a day posting to cola is a little more than just
an *INDIVIDUAL'S* opinion.
They probably have 2 people running the Flatfish shift
as his text changes during the day.
Charlie
>
>>
>> So, in response to Windows CEMENT (CE,ME,NT) Win2K has a poor MTTF, they now
>> all respond with the above party line.
>>
>> It isn't true at all. X, obviously, has a lower MTTF than Linux proper, but
>> even the worst X server has a higher MTTF than 2K.
>
>True....and WITHOUT getting shut down nightly.
>
>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:10:05 +1200
Dear Charlie,
> What really cracks me up is people like this dipshit Adam Warner,
> run up here and post a message from something **THEY READ** of
> the microsoft.com site, pretend like it's the truth before
> even investigating it, and start spreading it around the worlds
> internet highways as if it were the *FACTS*.
I hope an apology will be quickly forthcoming. I am never been treated so
disgustingly.
Regards,
Adam Warner
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