Linux-Advocacy Digest #833, Volume #31 Tue, 30 Jan 01 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: rh 6.2 and wu-ftp 2.6.0-14 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE Hell ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE Hell (Salvador Peralta)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (tholenbot)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe ("nuxx")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Michael Vester)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Adam Warner is a fucking idiot! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: C2 (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Progeny Debian... (NOYB)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! (David Steinberg)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rh 6.2 and wu-ftp 2.6.0-14
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:04:53 -0500
Chad Rebuck wrote:
>
> Wish you were my system engineer you sorry fuck... How can I be down with a
> cool guy like yourself? Do I have to have a sig as long as yours? Dumb ass
> bitch...
did you stomp your feet and piss your pants when you wrote that?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: rh 6.2 and wu-ftp 2.6.0-14
>
> > Chad wrote:
> > >
> > > I have rh 6.2 and recently installed package wu-ftpd-2.6.0-14.6x. My
> > > security team says, "Version 2.6.0 still contains security exposures".
> They
> > > are suggesting to install wu 2.6.1, but I would rather just stick with
> the
> > > rh rpms. Can someone shed some light on this?
> >
> > Then download it, shithead.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:06:14 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Tg9d6.303$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > After re-reading the message I just have to respond to paragraph 2. It
> > > was soooo dumb I thought I would let it pass. I can't imagine the
> > > technical staff not knwoing they screwed up immediately. Even if those
> > > turkeys tried to coverup, tech support started getting calls
> > > immediately. Did tech support just blame it on "stupid users" for 24
> > > hours?
> >
> > Tech support did *NOT* start getting calls immediately. DNS caches take a
> > great deal of time to expire, usually 24 hours or more.
>
> That is only for someone who had loaded the record just before the
> link was broken. A site that hadn't accessed it for a while would
> fail immediately. If people weren't calling, it was only because
> they knew from experience that it wouldn't help... Note that the
> problem was well known on slashdot and similar sites in the morning,
> but it wasn't fixed until evening. And all it takes is a traceroute to
> diagnose a problem like that, and a few minutes to correct the router
> config.
Unless you're an MCSE.
In that case, it takes lots and lots and lots of naval gazing.
How much you wanna bet that they formatted the drives and re-installed
from scratch.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:06:26 GMT
"Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:955e25$s5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Has the Christian Coalition taken a stand on Gnome vs. KDE or something?
No, but I'm sure they will, eventually.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:11:14 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Other than when your fingers touch the keyboards, no.
>
> Compared to your awful signal to noise ratio, what I post is sweet music.
>
What I write is funny.
What you write is not.
Hope that helps.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:13:42 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >> Edward Rosten writes:
>
> >>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
>
> >> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
>
> >>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
> >> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
>
> >>> Because I am not the only person who objects to these (I cite Kulkis,
> >>> for one),
>
> >> You do realize that it's Kulkis who is responsible for it, don't you?
>
> > Listen fuckwit:
>
> Yet another person with a foul mouth.
>
> > if don't reply, there's no thread.
>
> I haven't replied to Malloy.
>
> > So it ain't just Kulkis.
>
> Of course; Malloy continues to post, despite the fact that I haven't
> responded to him.
>
> > Retard.
>
> Yet another person who relies on invective rather than a logical
> argument.
Donkey-raper.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:26:12 -0800
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Has the Christian Coalition taken a stand on Gnome vs. KDE or something?
>
> No, but I'm sure they will, eventually.
They'll come down on your side of it and lay down an edict against KDE
and Gnome, Kylie. The Christian Coalition, being a conformist,
AntiThought organization, is as pro redmond as they come. It is no
coincidence that humanity was cast out from Eden for eating of the tree
of knowledge.
--
Salvador Peralta
"To close down windows, i.e. to STOP windows,
the first thing you do is click the START button."
- this is microsoft's idea of good UI design?
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:26:45 -0500
In article <U9qd6.2462$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >> Edward Rosten writes:
>
> >>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
>
> >> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
>
> >>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
> >> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
>
> >>> Because I am not the only person who objects to these (I cite Kulkis,
> >>> for one),
>
> >> You do realize that it's Kulkis who is responsible for it, don't you?
>
> > Listen fuckwit:
>
> Yet another person with a foul mouth.
How ironic, given your own foul mouth. In article
<62knna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave
Tholen) wrote:
> 55> I've produced multiple postings proving exactly where you have lied
> 55> and tried to revise history, Tholen.
>
> Bullshit, Sutherland. All you've done is repeat claims and haven't
> proved anything, other than demonstrating your reading comprehension
> problem, your penchant for exaggeration, your need for invective as
> "sport", and your continued hypocrisy.
>
> 55> In each and every case you have felt compelled to delete every scrap
> 55> of that text because you couldn't handle the truth.
>
> Bullshit, Sutherland. I suggest you comprehend the text I'm responding
> to (and that I've responded to in every digest), which obviously hasn't
> been deleted. Or don't those constitute what you consider "scraps of
> text"?
>
> 55> You then claim it was "irrelevant".
>
> Bullshit, Sutherland. I suggest you comprehend the responses both here
> and in previous digests.
--
Prove that I will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy,
if you think you can.
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From: "nuxx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:26:07 +0800
> The mind boggles at this bit of sophistry.
>
> Hello? have we heard of Oracle? DB2? Sybase? Informix?
>
> In fact, EVERY database that matters has a Linux version.
How many of these enterprise class databases have you deployed in production
environments on Linux servers? What sort of systems & how are they
performing? Seriously, I'm interested in reading some good Linux advocacy
for once. Or is there anywhere I can find some case studies?
cheers,
nuxx
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:05:17 -0700
J Sloan wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Well, my scanner, sound card, mouse, tape back up and printer don't
> > work, but Linux sure is a great operating system.
>
> He's obviously a convert from windows - if he had built
> a Linux system from scratch it would be a simple matter
> to select comnpatible components.
>
> The fact is, it's killing you that people are willing to put
> up with some temporary incovenience to get away from
> windows.Of course not.
>
> > You are using half your hardware and in all likely hood are using less
> > applications than you do under Windows.
>
> OK, I'll take a swing at it - I'm using 100% of my hardware,
> since it was built as a Linux system from the beginning.
>
> Guess what?
>
> No crashes. Full usability.
>
> Hope this clears things up -
>
> jjs
The same here. I have never bought a pre-fab computer.
Everything is selected to run any OS. Assembling a computer
requires just a phillips screw driver. My cats can almost do
it but their claws get stuck on the ribbon cables. The useful
life of a hand picked computer is quite long too. My 486
50/32meg, 9 years old, is still a web and samba server. It
also runs two printers and a dial in modem. It is on its third
hard disk and second monitor but everything else is
original. It probably has about 60,000 hours on it and has
spent the last three years on all the time (barring power
failures). The CPU fan broke years ago. Obviously it was not
necessary.
I don't see replacing it anytime soon. My current P3
500/512meg is all I will need for a long time. Linux does not
impose endless upgrade cycles. In fact, I really did not need
to get it because my P2 300/256meg was very adequate. But I am
making good money and I can deduct money spent on the
computers from my huge Canadian tax bill. (I laugh at
Americans that think their taxes are too high. We Canadians
are the highest taxed people in the world. We have something
worst than Demoncrooks, we have Looterals (Liberals)) I like
Demoncrooks and I am going to use it.
If ++++flatfish would like, we could help him/her select the
components for a new computer. You don't even have to be a
MCSE to assemble a computer. All my components work with all
operating systems right out of the box, even Windows. I have
never had a difficult install, even in the bad old days of dos
and a separate windows. It is so easy to make a computer, I
can't see why people buy a pre-fab and get stuck with crap. I
have seen HPs with a one inch bow in their motherboards, IBM's
that were DOA and some cheap noname klones that will not work
without the original OEM disk. You will never find a driver
(Windows or Linux) on the net with one of these even if you
could even guess at what kind of junk was in it.
Any serious computer professional would take the couple hours
of time and build their own computer with personally selected
components. After all, we should know how to do this. Very
basic information even covered in a MCSE program. I am sure
the the teacher's of the MCSE program encourage their students
to use good hardware whenever possible. I don't think
datacenter is going to run very well on a $650 MegaMart
special.
My big project this year is to get everything into a rack and
then jam it into my closet. My computer room is strewn with
wires. 4 monitors and 2 printers take up a chunk of space
too. The desk is 3 feet from the wall so that I can get at the
wires at the back of my computers. No more tower cases, just
rack mounts. Next video device will be a flatscreen, still the
nice ones are over $2500 CDN. If I spent $2500 on one, it
would be selling for $500 the next day. I can wait.
I have 4 operational computers (all built be me), 3 Linux and
1 Windows. The Windows computer is here because I have Window
centric clients. The Windows computer is off most of the time.
I am currently developing in Perl and C. Hence, Windows has
not been fired up for a few months. Hope it does fire up when
I need it. Got a ghost image because I have been burned many
times before. Its not too bad installing the OS, its
everything else. Now I can do the works in a few minutes, go
away for lunch, and it is done when I get back. The Linux
computers have never required a re-install.
I do upgrades by bulldozing and installing the new
distribution on a pristine hard disk. I am an application
developer not an admin so I don't have a compelling desire to
upgrade kernels and drivers. I will compile a kernel to make
sure it is matched for the CPU and it has exactly what I need.
Linux is an application programmers dream. So many tools,
libraries, source code examples and ways to automate
repetitive tasks. To get the equivalent in Windows would cost
$20,000 at least. Oh, I forgot about the databases. Free with
Linux and how much for Windows? As a Windows developer, you
would have to join a secret order called MCSD just to get all
the tips and tricks you need to know. With Linux, everything
is in the open and the Linux crowd are eager to share their
technical expertise.
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to
vote" Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:32:08 GMT
In article <3a75c38d$0$52641$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>decisions decisions...
>
>and to think that the people in this newsgroup are smarter than the
>collected smarts of IBM, Oracle and Sun - funny none of them thought, gee,
>lets smoke that benchmark, lets fire up that linux solution or lets cluster
>our servers too... yea that's it. No, instead it's assumed they've said,
>lets spend $20,000,000 on testing a solution and not use our best equipment,
>software or stragety. yea, that's it... believe that...
>
>
I think $530 a copy for the workstation for Whistler should
do the trick.
I don't think we need a bench test.
Windows has just priced itself completely out of the computer
market.
Corporations which continue to plan their operations around
Windows will face increasing costs they have to make up
as their competitors will be using cheaper alternatives
like Linux.
The Microsoft user base will deteriorate.
Combined with the pressure from Linux development,
Microsofts OS will continue to climb in price with
each release.
Microsoft will start to feel the effects of cash
starvation competing with a > 250,000 GPL software
development force.
Microsoft will loose it's domination of the world
markets by 2005.
By 2010, if Microsoft hasn't managed to come up
with a Linux retrofit for it's office products,
Microsoft will face bankruptcy.
That's the future of Microsoft.
And there *IS* no going back...
This is why they are beginning to take an interest
in Linux and the development/porting of applications
from Microsoft corp to Linux platforms.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Adam Warner is a fucking idiot!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:38:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Salvador Peralta wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>> And posting something from there is so unintelligent, it
>> would be like you comming over to my house, pulling your
>> pants down and shitting on the living room floor!
>>
>> An appology. Somebody should kick your fucking ass.
>
>I disagree. I was glad to know that the M$ spinsters are cranking up
>their FUD in response to the challenge of linux. I would never go to
>the site myself, so I am always thankful for links that deal with their
>spin on linux.
>
You would *never* go to the site yourself...
>The post was definitely on topic to this newsgroup. What's more, I
>agree with Adam's opinion that the article was largely fantasy, devoid
>of technical merit, and generally a piss-poor piece of advocacy.
>
Microsoft stuff always is.
It enrages me that anybody would give anything put there merit.
>What remains to be seen is why you are so pissed at Adam for posting it.
>
I just explained that.
http://www.microsoft.com is total bullshit.
>I liked the article so much, I am using part of it in my .sig for the
>moment.
>
>--
>Salvador Peralta
>
>"Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
>and is destined to fall by the wayside in time."
>- microsoft.com
Go ahead.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:41:26 GMT
In article <954mbu$88j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Warner wrote:
>Charlie,
>
><snip>
>> An appology. Somebody should kick your f---ing ass.
><snip>
>
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to take the time to read this
>thread that you decided to destroy your credibility with.
>
I have. You referenced Microsoft propaganda.
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to look at the previous thread
>I started discussing XFS 1.0, which you responded to!
>
Hell of a way to do it.
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to look at some of my archived
>responses using Deja.
>
I don't use Deja.
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to look up the Linux advocacy
>HOWTO:
>http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Advocacy.html
>
Does it say to quote Microsoft.com web sites in there?
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to reconsider your
>effectiveness as a Linux advocate.
>
Nonsense. You do things YOUR way by quoting Microsoft.com
I'll do things my way.
>If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to apologise, if only for your
>own sake.
>
It sickens me that an advocate would bother with such bullshit.
But for once, I will appologize.
>Regards,
>Adam Warner
>
>
The problem with giving them credibility by referencing *their*
website sickens me Adam.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: C2
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:43:33 GMT
In article <3a75c002$0$52713$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
>"Kevin Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers once wrote:
>> >
>> >"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:3a73729a$0$11937$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>
>> >> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> > >I believe NT is certified on several different hardware platforms,
>> >> > >all of which are available to the average joe (mainly through
>> >> > >Compaq). One could buy similar hardware to the boxes tested and,
>> >> > >while not technically C2, you could obtain the level of security
>> >> > >tested in the C2 certification because, as I stated before,
>> >> > >the OS is the main focus of the certification.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-Chad
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > And as WE stated before. It's software and hardware.
>> >> >
>> >> > And now you finally admit it.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's a good boy.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Charlie - C2 applies to the OS - only. Period.
>> >
Ah, no it doesn't.
>> >Well, Charlie's assertion earlier was that the OS had nothing
>> >to do with it, and that NT wasn't C2 certified, the hardware
>> >was.
>> >
The certification is hardware and software both.
That is the rules.
>> >I never denied that hardware was a part, but a very
>> >insignificant part of it, contrary to what Charlie would have
>> >you believe. Of course, we all know now that Charlie was just
>> >FUD'ing to try to obscure the fact that NT has a much more
>> >trusted and industry accepted security model than Linux's
>> >cheesy permission bits scheme. Maybe they'll learn and put
>> >an pervasive DAC implementation in Linux and call it Trusted
>> >Linux or something, but that seems unlikely. They seem to be
>> >content in arguing that permission bits is somehow more secure
>> >or as secure than DAC. Oh well, let them keep their head in
>> >the sand.
>> >
>>
>> NT4 got C2 in the UK; but not internationally.
>
>NT4 got C2 in the US because C2 is a US specification.
>NT4 got the equivilent of a C2 in the UK because, well, cause it's the UK
>and not the US- doh!
>
>
>
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From: NOYB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Progeny Debian...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:58:46 -0600
It looks quite promising.
http://www.progeny.com/debian/
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:30:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:41:21 GMT, "Kyle Jacobs"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>PROGENY DEBIAN IS OUT!
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: 30 Jan 2001 05:08:58 GMT
Adam Warner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: If you are now more clear-headed you may wish to take the time to read this
: thread that you decided to destroy your credibility with.
Actually, Charlie destroyed his credibility long ago. Almost every word
he posts is ill-informed, misleading, or just plain wrong. Personally,
as a Linux user, I have typically found his posts embarassing. However, I
had not yet killfiled him, just for the occasional chuckle-factor.
Lately, his posting style has taken a turn for the nasty. Combine that
with his typical cluelessness and you end up with the kind of pitifully
misguided flames like the one in this thread against you.
It's definately not worth it anymore. Into Mr. Killfile he goes...
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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