Linux-Advocacy Digest #935, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (J Sloan)
Re: Help on my Linux research! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (J Sloan)
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested (Mark Styles)
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ (James Bond)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS Limitations (J Sloan)
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (Salvador Peralta)
Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo (J Sloan)
Re: The 130MByte text file (J Sloan)
Re: Linux is a fad? (David Steinberg)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (J Sloan)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (J Sloan)
Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/ ("James Bond")
Re: The 130MByte text file (J Sloan)
Re: The 130MByte text file (J Sloan)
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Joe Malloy")
Re: The 130MByte text file (J Sloan)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (J Sloan)
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:10:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So why don't you run Britannica under Linux ?
Eh?
Wasn't aware they had ported it yet...
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Help on my Linux research!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:12:55 GMT
In article <95gouf$s2j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>First of all let me say hello to everyone.
>I know that this is an unusual request but I need
>help from all Linux OS users. Weather you have
>used Linux OS (any variety) one or many times
>your opinion is welcome. Please help me in my
>master's degree by filling out my 12 item
>questionnaire at
>http://www.gonzalo.net/satisfaction.htm
>My aim is to measure user satisfaction in the use
>of Linus OS in the 5 variables of interest. Your
>help is critical to the completion of my degree.
>Assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much in Hawaiian)
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
Unfortunately, the form doesn't work for me.
I filled it out and clicked submit and it
returned a screen of error.
You might post again when you get it fixed.
Charlie
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:14:22 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they had a lot of results
> > that they didn't want to submit, before finally getting one
> > close to the Linux results.
>
> So is this what your argument has become?
>
> "I know it's the truth because... I know it! It's a conspiracy!
Sir, do not put words in my mouth, you are only making
yourself look silly.
> They're not showing us everything! Linux really is better! I
> know it! WAAAAAAHHHHHH"
You missed one important point: Linux already has
the top 8 way results.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:17:01 GMT
In article <3a7c32ff$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Bond wrote:
>I am now running my second box with LM7.2 remotely from my Win2k box.
>Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts overall
>just look better. And no more time wasted forever tweaking fonts.
>
>James :-)
If he's tweaking fonts then what else is he doing...
How do you tweak a font?
What part of your body do you use anyway?
But thanks for the report on WinaXe. I don't think I'm
going to drag my performance down using Windows with
my Linux. Windows sucks and is unreliable.
Hope this helps.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:18:23 GMT
In article <95gm0f$q8h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>New Zealand has electricity?
>
Is Microsoft really where you want to be today?
>
>"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
>>
>> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>>
>> > Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
>> >
>> > a) laughing
>> >
>> > b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
>> >
>> > I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow dog
>on
>> > machine i borrowed for a month.
>> >
>> > Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay
>with
>> > windows 2000 where i can
>> >
>> > a) buy software off the shelves
>> >
>>
>> I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
>> www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for programs,
>or
>> www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence, for
>me as
>> a netizen, I am quite dandy.
>>
>> >
>> > b) play the latest games
>>
>> I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably get
>other
>> games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
>catered
>> for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use legally
>bought
>> software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
>standard
>> edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there money
>on,
>> they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2 or
>> Vistasource's Office Suite.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into your
>> > heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
>> > supported....oh dear)
>>
>> hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not used by
>the
>> populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure piece
>of
>> hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most people
>actually
>> use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install bet
>a
>> > test software.
>>
>> Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
>Need to
>> update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you point
>here?
>>
>> >
>> > e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
>finished
>> > offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
>> > Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
>> >
>>
>> I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you are
>> getting at?
>>
>> >
>> > f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
>> > because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah
>rah
>> > rah
>> >
>>
>> kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I never
>have
>> these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
>>
>> >
>> > g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office
>and
>> > hey, the same things...wow......
>> >
>>
>> I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word, and
>I
>> have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again, I
>don't
>> know what you are getting at.
>>
>> >
>> > h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
>> > through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and
>then
>> > find it wont ?
>>
>> I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command line.
>And
>> as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to command
>line
>> and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the case
>of
>> SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically detected.
>Yet
>> again, I don't know what you are getting at.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
>> > Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
>documented
>> > applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the pros
>and
>> > cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
>> > plate...
>>
>> Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street market
>seller
>> in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con out
>of
>> $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate seen
>like
>> wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:06:20 -0500
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:56:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:47:41 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>You seem to think it's a bad thing to read documentation and learn
>>about what you're using, I just hope you never take up any safety
>>critical occupations or hobbies. If you were a pilot I don't think I'd
>>want to fly with you.
>
>If I was flying a plane no, but in using a pc I prefer to concentrate
>on applications instead of spending weeks trying to figure out what
>should be easy.
Weeks? Either you exaggerate or you're just a bit dim.
I recommend reading Asimov's Foundation books for a glimpse of what
could happen if everyone thinks "I don't need to understand how it
works to use it"
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From: James Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:22:47 +0200
J Sloan wrote:
> James Bond wrote:
>
> > I am now running my second box with LM7.2 remotely from my Win2k box.
> > Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts
> > overall
> > just look better. And no more time wasted forever tweaking fonts.
>
> I just installed some good fonts on my Linux system,
> problem solved, no need to use a pc as a front end.
>
> jjs
>
The objective was not really to get a better screen. Since I don't want to
use 2 x monitors, keyboards, mice, remote control is beneficial. I just
did not expect to see such a nice screen. Why can Linux not look this good
by default?
James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:23:05 GMT
In article <fnRe6.17667$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
>> And when I was in London, I saw billboards for them all over the place.
>>
>> You couldn't take a subway ride without coming across several such ads.
>
>Yes, I saw them.
>
>I also took the time to read the small print on most of them.
>
>You did read that part didn't you.
>
>You know, the one that says, "BT customers only".
>
>I'm not with BT. I'm with a cable company. Most of these deals don't apply
>to me.
>
>Oh, I could "go back" to BT, but they're more expensive than who I'm with.
>
>Besides, it's all about to change. I'm switching to a cable internet line.
>It'll cost me £33 a month but it's unlimited and ten times faster than a
>modem.
>
>--
>Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
The cable interface really is the most practicle.
I understand they are currently testing a unit which will squeeze
even more bandwidth out of the system for the users.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:23:19 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:26:13 +0200, "James Bond"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, sometimes KDE2 has to be forcedly closed. But, touch wood, it has
>not as yet corrupted my entire system. Perhaps because I am using the
>ReiserFS.
>
>James
I wasn't using Reiser because I figured it was too new to depend on.
Maybe it would have been a good idea though now thinking about it.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:23:21 GMT
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:34:55 +0200, "James Bond"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am now running my second box with LM7.2 remotely from my Win2k box.
>Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts overall
>just look better. And no more time wasted forever tweaking fonts.
>
>James :-)
This is interesting.
How does it work and what does it do?
Easy to set up?
Thanks.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:31:45 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > What Chad doesn't want to talk about is that
> > even though windows has barely 20% of the
> > web serving market on the internet,
>
> 20% of the "My Cat Fluffy" web sites, but more than half of the
> real business web sites out there.
This is of course not true, the "my cat fluffy" nonsense seems
to be Chad's standard response to the facts of web server
market share.
<more nonsense deleted>
> Which is a fact. As Linux becomes more popular, we're seeing new
> attacks, we're seeing it used as distributed DoS clients and
> servers (in the now infamous ebay amazon attacks), we seeing
> record high defacements, etc.
This makes no sense, Unix has long been much more
popular than windows as a web server, and currently
has over 3 times the market share of windows.
> This tells us that when money and security are on the line,
> people trust Windows more than Unix.
There is in fact no evidence for that assertion.
I can tell you that I worked with a major auto manufacturer
who recently revamped their website. It had originally been
a windows nt based website, with all the woes that includes.
Their years of experience with the nt servers led them to
start from scratch and build a new site from the ground
up, using the best of breed, and not scrimping.
The new platform is apache on Unix.
> It's also interesting that you lump Linux in with Unix.
> When you need to give Linux some credibility, you lump it
> with Unix, but when you don't want to make it seem like
> Linux is just another useless Unix, you claim Linux != Unix.
> So which is it?
Please cite some reference for this assertion.
It is clear to anyone familiar with Unix in general that
certain operating systems are part of the Unix family,
and others are not. Examples of the Unix family tree
read like a who's who of performance and stability:
BSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Linux, MacOS, etc
Some examples of operting systems which are not
part of the Unix family would include:
Early MacOS, msdos, windows 3.x, windows 9x, win nt/2k
This sort of thing is elementary, there should be no
hemming and hawing over these simple facts.
jjs
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:35:14 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bobby D. Bryant quoth:
> Adam Warner wrote:
>
> > I proposed that Microsoft might be running scared a few days ago. To
> > continue the analogy, I now think we're in supersonic territory :-)
>
> Oh. I thought the "running" part referred to something else.
My favorite part was the "no drivers for your laptop" comment. I had
linux running 2-3 years ago from standard redhat and mandrake
installations on my toshiba satellite class laptopen. It was no
different than installing linux on a desktop. Fast, highly
customizable and easy.
His comments also show that he is totally ignorant of what Stallman
meant when he coined the term 'free software'. It was nice to see that
the journalist gave a member of the free software community explain
exactly what 'free' means in the context of the free software movement.
The softees are still swinging at shadows.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:33:49 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> "While we are threatened by the Linux business model, where companies give
> away free software, we are not at all worried about that operating system
> from a technological standpoint," Miller told eWEEK before heading off to
> the conference. "There are no earth-shattering technological innovations in
> Linux -- actually, there's a lot less than can be found in the Windows and
> Unix platforms."
>
> Interesting.
Hilarious!
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:34:31 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >> I don't like EMACS. I do like the KDE style editors. They're the ones
> >> that either bomb or hang the system.
> >
> >...wrong... 'hanging the system' is a Microsoft technique.
>
> That's why I'm seeing it on Linux?
er, at least that's what you're claiming to see...
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: 3 Feb 2001 17:35:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: On 3 Feb 2001 08:44:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
: Steinberg) wrote:
: >Hint: USB is not the device interface; it's the bus interface.
: Clue. People don't care they just want their devices to work.
Clue: then they should buy hardware that is supported by their operating
system.
Apart from software modems and printers, you can always find a comparable
model at a comparable price that will work just fine in Linux.
: >(Not that it matters any. If your goal was to run Linux, you would have
: >bought a USB scanner, printer, and camera that were supported. Since your
: >goal is obviously to invent and spread lies about Linux, your choice in
: >hardware is irrelevant).
: I read the reviews and bought the best products for my needs. They
: just work with Win and Mac and fail with Linux.
In other words, your needs do not include running Linux. Being able to
run the system doesn't matter enough to even affect your choice in
hardware.
And yet you spend hours or days on end installing every distribution that
gets released, reading stacks of HOWTO's, tracking down package
dependencies.
Sure. We believe you.
Your agenda is clear: you want to paint Linux in the worst light
possible. And that generally involves lying.
Do you think ANYONE believes anything you say anymore?
--
David Steinberg
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:41:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 3 Feb 2001 17:13:12 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>>Running the Encyclopedia Britannica, something went wrong, and my disk
>>(with about 200MB free normally) filled up. The usual "your disk is getting
>>full, let's clean up this mess" requester came up --- and utterly failed
>>to make any more space.
>>I then went in and searched for large files with the find file utility.
>>Nothing showed up.
>
>So why don't you run Britannica under Linux ?
>
Notice this. The Wintroll Flatfish has been told by the lady
that Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't run well under Windows.
So, he strikes back asking where's Linux's version.
That's funny!
That's typical Wintroll.
Linux is an effort to not put things into the distribution
or offer software which doesn't work right.
But just because software doesn't work right, this
doesn't matter to the Wintroll as he's mainly interested
in availablility and not quality..
Quality and Security are unknown concepts in the Windows
world.
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:43:50 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > Well to be quite truthful your story is very suspect.
>
> To be quite truthful, since you have posted lies about me, I doubt you
> understand the meaning of truth.
My dear man, please help me to understand where you
think I have lied. I have revealed to you my suspicions,
which ought to be reasonable enough.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:46:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:25:27 +1300, Gardiner Family
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also, until you
>>actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW ONE
>>will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view you as
>>a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
>>
>>Matt
>
>I have tried SuSE and to be honest I haven't had anywhere near the
>troubles with it that I have had with Mandrake and Redhat. I tried
>Mandrake because I like the interface and install process and the Yast
>drove me crazy because it kept changing things on me all the time.
>
>I never had all of the loc ups and stuff I had with Mandrake though.
>
>I'm waiting for the latest SuSE to come out on Feb 10th to try it.
>
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
Learning Wintrolls lesson #2.
Notice how he immediately gave preference to Mandrake over Suse
as he liked the install.
That's because Windows users often dump their OS during crashes
and are forced to re-install Windows.
So the install is a KEY point for the Wintroll. The better
the install, the better the OS.
Notice how Suse worked for him, but since the install didn't
thrill him, he dropped it. Now he's going to try it again
and once again, Mandrake will have an even better installer
with their next version and he will be back to Mandrake again.
Wintrolls are polorized to how Windows works.
Installation in Windows is extremely important as they know
they have to do it several times during the life of their
computer if they use Windows.
But, if this Wintroll could install Debian he would and he
could experience an OS which wouldn't trash out and need
re-installing.
Suse was probably doing that for him already. Notice he
actually said Suse didn't give me that much trouble. YET,
he dumped Suse immediately for the Mandrake OS because
the install was better for him.
Wintrolls don't care about quality nor security but they
do care about superior install abilities.
This is what's important to the Wintroll.
Charlie
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:47:18 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > If you said yes to telnet, and allowed the installation
> > to complete successfully, then telnet is there, but
> > you may have inadvertently disabled it, or purposely
> > disabled it for all we know, so as to "counter linux
> > advocacy".
>
> I said yes to telnet and it was not there. I did not delete it or disable
> it in any way. I believe this is a problem with the Mandrake installer.
Could be, but isn't it odd that nobody else seems to have
encountered the problem? Put yourself in the other man's
shoes, and you'll see how suspicious this all sounds.
> As for deliberately manufacturing these problems, I can offer you no proof
> either way. I can only say that you are so desperate to deny what I'm
> saying, you make things up to fit your view of the world.
Good Lord, I'm not desperate about your opinion of Linux, it
really doesn't make much difference in the long run. I do
find it puzzling that you devote so much of your life to working
with something that apparently causes you so much grief.
jjs
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From: "James Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Desktop looks better on Win2k :-/
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:47:42 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Charlie Ebert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <3a7c32ff$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Bond wrote:
>>I am now running my second box with LM7.2 remotely from my Win2k box.
>>Using X-WinPro (now WinaXe) I get a much improved desktop - fonts
>>overall just look better. And no more time wasted forever tweaking
>>fonts.
>>
>>James :-)
>
>
> If he's tweaking fonts then what else is he doing...
>
> How do you tweak a font?
>
> What part of your body do you use anyway?
>
> But thanks for the report on WinaXe. I don't think I'm going to drag
> my performance down using Windows with my Linux. Windows sucks and is
> unreliable.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charlie
Charlie,
Remote control of Unix boxes from Windows machines are commonplace. Do
you think all Unix administrators run unix on their office desktops? What
do you mean by dragging down your Linux performance? It is no more
sluggish under remote control than it is from its own console. But you
have completely missed my point. Your only response being that Win[2k]
sucks and is unreliable.
James
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:52:27 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Simply writing a program that forks endlessly will take any unrestricted
> system out. Incidentally, I tried it on Linux Mandrake 7.2. Woops!
Of course, a properly administered multi user system would
have limits and quotas in place, like the Linux systems at the
universities.
> I just thought it was interesting that one application can handle it on
> Windows and one hangs Linux. It flied in the face of all the statements
> here about how reliable Linux is.
Your test, while fascinating, doesn't change the fact that the Linux
servers here have been up for 230 days, since a kernel upgrade
last June, while the nt servers have been rebooted on the average
once every few weeks. It really just shows that you have gone to
great lengths to try to drum up some intersting controversy.
Interseting though it may be, it's just not relevant.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:54:35 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > What happened was he claimed to have tried to install
> > Linux on the machine, but suffered no end of comical and
> > unbelievable woes, and posed as if he were seeking help.
> > When the folks here tried to help him solve his self inflicted
> > pain, he gleefully revealed that he'd actually installed windows
> > on the machine in question.
>
> And I've been accused of lying. Sheesh!
So the story has changed?
What line are we taking about that today then?
> I did not "gleefully reveal" I'd actually installed Windows on the system.
> I SAID SO IN MY FIRST POST, you liar! Likewise, I never posed as if I were
> seeking help!
It looked for all the world as if you wanted answers, and people
here were good enough to try and help out.
jjs
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:05:00 -0500
Tholen tholes:
> > Shut your fucking face, donkey raper.
>
> Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument.
Typical lack of specificity. To which part of his statement do you object,
Tholen?
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:57:06 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> I ran the test again with the advanced text editor. It repeated the system
> hang.
>
> I'm basing my argument on my experience with other operating systems. Once
> they start to heavily page, generally everything suffers, or runs
> unimaginably slowly.
>
> I tried PING, FTP and TELNET, and PING was the only one working. FTP hung,
> TELNET hung (strange, since there's no daemon running).
Assuming this actually happened, it does indicate that your
system has problems with the sort of abuse you've been
dishing out.
On the chance that this is not isolated to your system, have
you tried a newer kernel, or would that be dismissed as not
relevant to your mission of countering linux advocacy?
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:59:50 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > Keep in mind that flatfish makes this stuff up as he goes along.
> > Pete and he are a tag team now -
>
> I'm not making anything up.
>
> You are in denial because I'm threatening your sacred cow.
I'm in no danger from your agenda, but OTOH I would be
foolish to beleive everything some anti linux crusader on
usenet has to say -
jjs
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