Linux-Advocacy Digest #935, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 16:13:05 EST
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Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:27:58 -0500
David Masterson wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > David Masterson wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> > "Don't blame me, I bought IBM" worked in the 1960's. In this day
> >> > and age, there is NO excuse for such lame reasoning.
>
> >> Whether its a good excuse or not, it is still in use (substitute
> >> "M$" for "IBM").
>
> > I didn't deny that it's in use...I said that it doesn't WASH anymore.
>
> And I didn't deny that it doesn't wash anymore.
>
> >> >> > You have the EXACT same pointy-clicky functionality on Linux and
> >> >> > Unix...in fact, it has been available on Unix for FAR LONGER...
> >>
> >> >> True. Although up until PC systems could handle (well) the
> >> >> requirements of the UNIX interface (ie. X-Windows), not a lot of
> >> >> people could justify the expense of buying into it (ie. pre-1996).
> >>
> >> > That excuse doesn't wash either.
> >>
> >> > Hint fucking hint: 1996 was 5 YEARS AGO.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying this is the whole problem, just part of it. And, given
> >> the previous excuse, 5 years (its actually more like 3 for the solid
> >> Linux environment that runs X-Windows) is not that long in the big IT
> >> departments.
>
> > Then why did M$ try to imply that Lose98 makes Lose95 obsolete,
> > and now Lose2000 and LoseME make Lose98 obsolete?
>
> Because they can (where do you tell the 900 pound gorilla to sit?).
> However, even M$ must bow to all the IT organizations that will not
> stand for having _*ALL*_ of their application software becoming
> obsolete because of an O/S _upgrade_.
>
> >> >> > Because Dell, Compaq, etc. were specifically PROHIBITED by
> >> >> > Microsoft from offering operating systems sold by vendors other
> >> >> > than Microsoft.
>
> >> >> Also, because the dominant UNIX vendors were more interested in
> >> >> fighting each other over the workstation "niche" rather than band
> >> >> together and fight Microsoft over the much bigger PC market.
>
> >> > This has NOTHING to do with Unix.
>
> >> Of course it does. The UNIX vendors of the 1980s had plenty of time
> >> to do battle with Microsoft before it became too big, but they were
> >> busy fighting each other for "workstation" dominance.
>
> > Not SCO.
>
> One small player in the big picture.
>
> > SCO was locked out of the desktop marketplace by M$'s illegal
> > exclusionary contracts.
>
> IIRC, M$ had a minority stake in SCO.
>
> >> > For years, Microsoft got over, because the various OEM's were
> >> > completely unaware of the specifics of the contract between
> >> > Microsoft and other OEM's.
>
> >> > Now that it has gotten out...well, that's why Microsoft keeps
> >> > getting CONVICTED FOR CRIMES.
>
> >> And I hope Microsoft gets whats coming to them. However, depending
> >> on the government to slap Microsoft down may be a false hope.
>
> > Not *all* justice comes from government agencies.
>
> True. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel. However, the
> walls of the tunnel are lined with people making the excuse mentioned
> above.
>
> >> > AT&T was PROHIBITED from competing in the computing industry
> >> > at that time.
>
> >> AT&T was released from this with the 1984 breakup. I know I was
> >> using the (in)famous UNIX PC in 1986 and the AT&T 3B UNIX servers
> >> were available even earlier. UNIX (with a GUI) was just too
> >> powerful to run on the CPUs of that day and age *unless* AT&T had
> >> committed to developing leaner and meaner versions of UNIX. But it
> >> never did...
>
> > true. On the other hand, AT&T had absolutely ZERO experience
> > in the computer industry as a vendor...and given their previous
> > several decades of telecom experience, was not even properly
> > staffed (i.e management) to play the game.
>
> True. A lot of vendors had the problem of poor management and
> marketing. Commodore had a powerful machine in the Amiga, but didn't
> believe in it until it was too late. Atari couldn't shake the game
> machine image. Apple couldn't shake the desktop publishing image.
> Sun couldn't make headway into the Intel world (Sun PC). HP embraced
> both worlds rather than compete. DEC thought first UNIX and then PCs
> were "snake oil". AT&T had a ready made user base for UNIX coming out
> of college, but chose to market hardware instead. And we all know who
> IBM sided with in the 80s.
>
> Unfortunately, this left Microsoft with open territory that it
> capitalized on.
>
> >> Monopoly or not, there was no competing with Microsoft on its
> >> playing field (ie. DOS/Windows) once Microsoft went into the
> >> applications
>
> > You've never heard of Digital Research, and DR-DOS, which had a 100%
> > compatible, TRUE multi-tasking version of DOS on the market in 1985.
>
> Almost forgot about them. They did do better than most. Microsoft,
> though, had been "annointed" by IBM in the early 80s. This gave them
> the backing and momentum that other companies could only dream of.
>
> > Oh...and by the way...M$ settled that suit OUT OF COURT in return
> > for an agreement that Caldera (who bought out DR) *NEVER* say
> > another word about it again.
>
> > Innocent parties don't do things like that.
>
> I never said that they were innocent. Just that believing that their
> illegal tactics was the sole reason for their success is a bit naive.
>
> >> Well, there is still the excuse mentioned above.
>
> > It's invalid. In the 1960's the only computer manufacturer
> > most people had ever heard of was IBM....right up to the time
> > of the PC.
>
> There were others (including Honeywell and DEC).
>
> > On the other hand, It was pretty hard to get through the 1980's
> > without being aware of the TRS-80, Apple, Atari, Commodore, and
> > other vendors.
>
> The TRS-80 was DOS based and, so, not competition. The others had
> their own problems that let Microsoft slip in and lock them out.
No. The TRS-80 was CP/M based.
>
> > In fact, the "Don't blame me, I bought IBM" excuse was solidly
> > KILLED by the vast market of PC-clone manufacturers.
>
> Until it became "don't blame me, I bought Microsoft". I still see
> that in software sales to corporations.
>
regardless, it's still an empty excuse for incompetance.
> > Anybody who generates and manipulates business-essential data with
> > applications that use proprietary formats is a fool who will
> > eventually pay for that foolishness by being driven from the
> > marketplace for excessive operating costs.
>
> One can but hope...
>
> --
> David Masterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Rational Software (but I don't speak for them)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:31:39 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Shades wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Unix has half a dozen GUI's that are so good that Mafia$oft
> > > > > > copied (in their own, usual, less-than-elegant way) as much of
> > > > > > this functionality as they could.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now....if Unix is supposedly soooooooooo difficult to use, then
> > > > > > please explain why Mafia$oft is copying Unix ON THE BASIS OF
> > > > > > EASE OF USE.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not understand this statement. Where is MS copying Unix on
> ease of
> > > > > use? All the newest GUI's I have seen on Linux look a lot like
> > > something
> > > > > I have seen before.
> > > >
> > > > Ah..more like what you've seen before were copies of Unix GUI's
> already
> > > > in existance. For example, the Windows2000 GUI is a (faulty)
> > > implementation
> > > > of the unix/linux-land Enlightenment GUI.
> > > >
> > > I remember the Mac users were saying MS copied Mac with Windows 95, but
> > > after I talked with alot of my friends who have used alot of different
> OSs,
> > > included Unix. The general feeling is MS copies EVERYONE but only tried
> to
> > > take the best parts. BTW you can run Enlightenment (clone) on NT4 as an
> > > explorer replacement, might ever be available for 2K.
> >
> > M$ gives new meaning to the phrase "not invented here"...as there
> > is not a single feature of an M$ platform which was invented by
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > The only "inventions" M$ can be credited with is new ways to
> > run a software corporation as a criminal organization.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here's a Hint....
> > > > Neither Microsoft nor Apple invented the GUI. In fact, even the total
> > > > of their work COMBINED is only a small fraction of the work done on
> > > > GUI development.
> > > >
> > > Debatable, but they have the 2 biggest selling GUIs out there.... Most
> > > Unix boxes, I have seen are CLI.....
> >
> > The fact that Palo Alto Research Center invented the GUI is *NOT*
> > a matter of debate--it is a HISTORICAL FACT.
> >
> I guess it comes down to what make a GUI, what it is.... If you call a GUI
> "2-dimensional display editing", then Doug created the GUI in 1968, or if
> you want all other junk most 'modern' GUI have then PARC created it. BTW
> most computer people I know would consider Doug the creator. Since without
> him, the people at PARC wouldn't have had the idea to begin with... If you
> want I can provide more then enough URLs as references.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > There have been GUI's for Unix going all the way back to early Sun
> > > > Microsystems products in 1984.
> > > >
> > > Beat my GUI (GEOS) on my C64 by about year.
> >
> > Whoops...forgot that one from my list.
> >
> Just another mistake in a long list of them you create....
>
> > >
> > > > The first GUI was one that was developed in the late-1970's by the
> Palo
> > > Alto
> > > > Research Corporation (PARC), which, at the time, was owned by Xerox.
> > > > In the early 1980, morale at PARC was low, and Jobs was starting a new
> > > > project at Apple...and wanted a GUI...most of the people at PARC left
> > > > and hired in on the Macintosh project.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wrong answer..... GUIs started in the 60s by Doug Englebart who also
> > > invented the Mouse. Xerox was the first to try to make it into a
> product
> > > but at 10K each, they didn't sell.
> > >
> > > > So..here's the timeline:
> > > >
> > > > PARC's gui circa 1978
> > > > Macintosh 1983
> > > > SunWindows 1984
> > > > Atari GEM 1985
> >
> > Commodore GEOS 1985
> >
> > > > Commodore Amiga 1986
> > > > XWindows protocol 1986
> > > >
> > > I'm not going to debate your timeline since I don't remember which was
> > > first, but I though the Amiga was out in 1985, a very short time after
> > > Atari. There are quite a few other GUIs out there you didn't mention.
> > >
> >
> > They are far toooo numerous to make a complete list.
> >
> > I was merely giving a list of influential GUI's that were widely
> > used...most all of which appeared LONG before Billy Trust-fund baby
> > Gates III discovered them.
> >
> You do realize Billy got his start on the GUIs when he saw the Lisa at
> Apple... So I would call the Lisa, more important the Mac, atleast for MS.
>
> >
> > > > > not have any empirical proof that you can base it on. For the case
> of
> > > > > Microsoft you have people from all over the world who have to focus
> on
> > > > > getting their job done(not knowing the intricacies of the OS) and
> they
> > > do it
> > > > > mostly on Microsoft Windows. Why it seems odd that if everything
> works
> > > so
> > > >
> > > > You have the EXACT same pointy-clicky functionality on Linux and
> Unix...in
> > > fact,
> > > > it has been available on Unix for FAR LONGER...
> > > >
> > > True but at a much great cost, until recently. Most users don't like
> to
> > > dump all their software and start new again...
> >
> >
> > If they wouldn't invest so much of their money purchasing software
> > which stores data in proprietary formats, they wouldn't have that
> > fucking problem, would they?
> >
> So far most systems I have seen have alot of proprietary formats, the Amiga
> had the most standardized formats. Every format is proprietary until
> someone copies it and use it in there programs. Star Office had no problem
Nope. It's a propreitary file format if the company which created it
refuses to publish it's specifications and internal structure.
LOTS of companies import/export Word document files...but it's STILL
a proprietary format.
> loading the word files, I had, currently I am not using Star Office.
>
> > Users who complain about the high cost of switching away from Microsoft
> > have nobody but their own POOR judgement to blame.
> >
> True, but when I asked a friend what he wanted as an OS on his new
> computer, a crashy Win98SE or a stable Linux. He asked me how many games
> could run on Linux other than Id software, he then picked Win98SE. I know
> people who pick Windows over other OSs, simple because they can get the
> software they want off the shelf. Linux has a real or imagery shortage of
> quaility Games and Education titles, atleast thats what I hear from friends
> who have thought about switching.
>
Poor judgement is it's own reward.
> > And then they foolishly trust that SAME poor judgement which tells
> > them to continue suffering the thrice-yearly bloodletting from
> > Microsoft rather than bite the bullet and free themselves from
> > Redmond's biggest drug pusher once and for all.
> >
> I find interesting most of my friends don't have nearly 1/2 as many problems
> as the Linux users had with Windows and that includes some people who can
> barely use a computer. BTW if any of them have the smallest problem, they
> call me.
Being too stupid to notice that your computer is malfunctioning is
NOT a virtue.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:33:06 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Shades wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines with
> > > > > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than windows.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the
> desktop
> > > > > anyday? Hmm?
> > > >
> > > > In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
> > > > steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
> > > >
> > > The reason is gasoline engines are alot better than a steam power auto.
> >
> > And likewise, Linux is a FAR better desktop OS than anything sold
> > by Microsoft AND ALSO a far better server OS than anything sold
> > by Microsoft.
> >
> Most businesses around here still want people who know Microsoft or Netware,
> very few want Unix/Linux. Also the local college is offering alot more
> classes based on Microsoft (I'm not talking about Application short classes,
> like Word or Excel) then they are Unix/Linux, but they are thinking of
> adding a couple Linux classes, soon.
That must be why Unix/Linux admins ***EASILY*** get 3x-5x the salary
as Windows admins....while having less hassles and problems to deal
with.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:33:49 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > aaron wrote:
> > > > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Shades wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines
> with
> > > > > > > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than
> windows.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the
> desktop
> > > > > > > anyday? Hmm?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
> > > > > > steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > The reason is gasoline engines are alot better than a steam power
> auto.
> > > >
> > > > And likewise, Linux is a FAR better desktop OS than anything sold
> > > > by Microsoft
> > >
> > > yet as far as the vast majority of desktop users are concerned they
> can't
> > > give it away.
> >
> > Because Microsoft had shills writing for YEARS about the supposed
> > "problem" of the Unix command line being more difficult than the
> > DOS command line. [In reality, the Unix command line is easier because
> > it is more consistant....example: all wildcard characters are handled
> > the same way....not only that, but you can do specificiations like
> > *sept* to specify all files with the string "sept" anywhere within
> > the name. DOS's pattern matching never did get sophisticated enough
> > to handle even this still relatively SIMPLE method of wildcard matching.
> >
> Amazing I just tried your list test, not *sept* but with 'dir *in*' in the
> Window directory, and had a long list of files. Which if I read your
> complant correctly, Windows should NOT have done correctly. Sorry can't
> test it with Dos6.22, since I don't have access to it.
>
> > Since few people at that time had any experience with Unix, the
> > LIES stuck.
> >
> Unix people seem to the same about Windows, see example above....
Name even ONE Unix user who has never used Windows.
>
> > And then there are people like you, who go on with your silly comparisons
> > between the learning curve between late 1990's windows vs mid 1980's Unix.
>
> Learning curve all depends on the person's experence.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:36:09 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:24:39
> >mistersomeone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >This was true while MS was still shaking hands with
> >> >IBM and Intel. For the last 10 years or so there has
> >> >been a choice and the general public chose MS
> >> >over most other OSes including IBM's OS.
> >>
> >> OS/2 warp (IBM's OS) was a REALLY solid OS. incredibly stable and
> >> yes, user-friendly... problem was... lack of software development....
> >> and lack of popular support. Think back to the days of BETA and
> >> VHS... BETA was a superior technology but it lost out due to lesser
> >> marketing and lack of popular support... go figure...
> >
> >it wasn't just marketing. (the perennial excuse of business fuckups is
> >'it wasn't properly marketed')
> >beta was put out by sony which, at least at first, was the sole
> >manufacturer. vhs was the result of an alliance between several large
> >firms. the simple fact that beta was made by one company while vhs was
> >made by many was a clear signal to the market which format was likely to
> >prevail. once that became clear no amount of technical superiority could
> >save beta. especially once you couldn't easily rent beta videos...
>
> Having appointed myself the official executioner for this urban legend,
> allow me to point out that it is indicative of both posters that they
> haven't a clue what happened with Beta vs VHS, but are supposedly basing
> their economic theories on the fabrications they've heard.
>
> There was at least a three year period, possibly longer, where you could
> easily rent beta videos or VHS videos from the same store. Both formats
> interoperated perfectly and there was no rejection of one nor embracing
> of the other of the level you kids suppose. The fact is, VHS tapes were
> longer, and so, over time, this advantage enabled it to become "more
> popular", and the "de facto standard" for home recording. I've been
> told the Beta format is still in use within certain industries, and
> there's no reason at all to doubt it.
The TV broadcast industry uses beta EXCLUSIVELY.
VHS is only used for selling cheap copies to those who want them.
[I.e. What you see being broadcast on the History channel are Betamax
tapes. What they *sell* are VHS].
>
> But the home VCR market apparently values recording length slightly more
> than quality.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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