Linux-Advocacy Digest #8, Volume #32 Tue, 6 Feb 01 10:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NTFS Limitations ("Chad Myers")
Quick Book Question ("Patrick McAllister")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Paul Thurrott reports: "Microsoft Executives Trash Linux" ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (I R A Darth Aggie)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Old Flame(war)s [ was Bill Gates and Michael Dell ]
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 13:59:48 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:vePf6.562$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:5gZe6.6833$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:s1gh59.s8b.ln@gd2zzx...
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, with that, I ask you guys:
> > > > 1. Why is Linux the most vulnerable web server platform?
> > >
> > > In 2000 Microsoft hit the ton with security bugs. A record. The worst
> single
> > > application was IIS. You were saying...
> >
> > "hit the ton"?
> >
> > View attrition.org. Linux frequently beats NT+2K (combined) in number of
> > defacements per month.
>
> It also beats them combined in over-all utilization, too.
I'm not exactly what you mean, do you mean in web server market share (as
per the Netcraft numbers)? If so, then you are sorely mistaken, Linux doesn't
make up but a small percentage of those Apache numbers. It's mainly all
Solaris and BSD.
-Chad
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From: "Patrick McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quick Book Question
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:14:06 -0500
Does anyone have any comments or opinions on the CoriolisOpen Press book
"Linux Install and Configuration Little Black Book"? Saw it online the other
day and was wondering if it would be a good addition to the library or not.
I'm about 1, maybe 1.5 steps removed from being a total Linux novice....in
the "know more" direction that is!
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:03:23 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:lORf6.3917$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:4yRf6.575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > (HINT: The subscription based services are only a tiny part of it, and
> > > something that very few .NET programs will take advantage of. If this
> is
> > > the only argument you can come up with, you're going to be quite
> > surprised).
> >
> > The very fact that feature is being proposed is enough to conjure up past
> > memories of subscription based software from the early eighties. It is a
> > blatant rip-off and causes your TCO to skyrocket. Actually, i'm surprised
> > its' taken this long, with the Internet being what it is now, for someone
> > to seriously pursue such a course again. The consumer sector said no,
> > resoundingly, to DIVX and i'm hoping that the commercial sector takes the
> > same tact with this profit mongering.
>
> The subscription based thing is there, much like Windows Terminal Services
> is there. You can use it, it works, but it's really only for a very small
> subset of the population.
>
> The subscription services are for companies that regularly upgrade. The TCO
> is reduced because everyone is automatically updated at the same time,
> without the need (or very little need) of maintenance and license
> management.
>
> This is really only for large companies. Small companies will continue to
> buy discrete versions of the products (non-subscription). MS simply can't
> get away with removing the non-subscription option. People simply won't
> upgrade if they're not interested in doing so.
>
> > I've heard some of the jucier technical details of .NET and, as a
> > developer, I see the potential. I also see the scenario I just ranted on.
> > We've made the decision not to develop for it and we won't. If it takes
> > off, and I don't see it doing so... One of the alternative OS's will just
> > have to be modified to counter it. Be it Linux or BSD.
(posting through Erik)
That's a really moronic way of approaching things.
You'll be unhappy to note that Corel signed a deal with Microsoft to
develop a .NET CLR for Linux. Most, if not all the .NET code will run
on Linux when they're done.
> Well, since C# and the CLR are now ECMA standards, this is a possibilty.
> The real benefit of .NET will be the Java-like cross platform capability
> (think CE, 32 bit windows, 64 bit windows, MacOS X all from the same EXE,
> each optimized for their own platforms by the .NET runtime compiler (which
> is much more like SmallTalk than Java))
>
> And, if people write .NET for Linux, as they'll be able to do from the
> standards, you can run on Linux as well.
A CLR is being developed for Linux, see above.
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:18:47 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/6/01 12:45 AM:
>
> > In which case, its what we call in the military "Operator Headspace error"
> >
> > His implication was that the CD-ROM couldn't be detected because
> > of some fault of hte OS.
> >
> > Oh, he later claimed that [/dev/cdrom] could be found by the CLI, but
> > not by the GUI.
> >
> > UTTER FUCKING HORSESHIT.
>
> So far you've yet to substatiate a single claim for why linux is a consumer
> os, or why these problems occur. On the exact same machine win2k installed
> in like 45 minutes and I think asked me for all of my name, and to check the
> current date the whole time, that was upgrading the thing from 98, with the
> keep my apps option, and the switch drive to ntfs option.
>
> The only utter fucking horseshit is your potty mouth, and the fact that
> linux can't do shit without you writing a 14 page essay on exactly how it
> should do it and stashing it away in some obscure little directory.
Good god, he's so delusional, he's believing his own lies now.
>
> >
> >>
> >>> How exactly did you get the install-CD going if the CD-ROM wasn't
> >>> recognized?
> >>
> >> Uhm. The BIOS finds the CD, boots from the El Torito floppy image, and then
> >> that image loads a kernel which doesn't probe the CD? This can't happen
> >> to various users of various OS's more than a few thousand times a week.
> >
> > Not if the CD-ROM is installed correctly.
>
> Win2k no problems, Redhat AND Caldera (though Caldera was a fucking dream to
> install by comparison) nothing BUT problems.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Linux may not be as bad as that guy thought it was, but you sure aren't
> >> impressing anyone by "debunking" a story which is fairly common and
> >> well-understood.
> >
> > I've done quite a few installs, with very NON-standard hardware
> > configurations with respect to number of disk drives and CD-ROMS.
> >
> > I've never had a problem even once.
> >
> > RedHat...SuSE...Mandrake.
> >
> > Not a single failure to find the CD-ROM....EVER!
>
> That's splendid I'm happy for you, I think even windows is incredible when
> it works its the times it doesn't that count.
>
> Still you can't do anything more than run about in denial saying "no its not
> possible linux really does blow bill gates nuts", and using insults in lieu
> of logic. Not a healthy substitute, congrads your the first person I've
> ever had to filter on a NEWSGROUP. Now I'll just right click your widdle
> name in the box at the top of the window select "add to blocked users" and
> my custom script will ensure I never see anymore of your drival before you
> can even say "but pine !(P*^#$. "
>
> Sayanora, drivel boy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Paul Thurrott reports: "Microsoft Executives Trash Linux"
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:20:00 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:38:38 GMT, Tom Wilson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"InBiz" <sl@theplanetdotorg> wrote in message
> > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > >> What else would anyone expect Steve Balmer to say in public. In
> private
> > > >> he's probably laughing his ass off at the 'Linux threat".
> > > >
> > > >That would be a dire mistake. Out there in serverland, what the big
> boy
> > > >commercial Unices aren't running on, is quickly being swollowed up by
> the
> > > >twin "fads" Linux and BSD. If either one comes through with a cohesive
> > > >desktop that people can agree on...Microsoft's toast.
> > >
> > > Even better...if either one comes through with a cohesive desktop, they
> > > both do.
> >
> > They're already out there. It's just that the MBA's haven't seen them
> yet.
>
> This goes back to the discussion turned sometimes heated debate a last
> month. It'll happen soon....
>
> >
> > Here's the thing to do..
> >
> > If you have ANY Linux systems set up at work....start grabbing the senior
> > managers and ask them, "Hey, do you want to see the wave of the future?"
>
> Actually, the only MS systems at work are the development PC's. The
> internal network and the soon to be Web side of things (when I get around
> to it) are totally Linux (DNS, DHCP, MAIL, DB, PROJECT, PRINT SERVICES).
> The development systems will remain MS until this project is over and done
> with. The development systems will then be booted to the Linux partitions
> and the real fun begins!
>
> >
> > Let them play with it a bit...mention that it has nearly the same
> stability
> > as the $500,000 E10000 Sun server...ask them how they like it...
> > After you get a positive response...THEN tell them "It's LINUX"
>
> Not neccesary here. The anti-MS tone of the place and the coming projects
> are the only reasons I bothered to take the job.
Are they hiring ????
:-)
>
> >
> > The BEST way to combat the FUD being aimed at management is to give
> > management HANDS-ON experience with LINUX.
>
> They had "penguined" the network nearly a year before I showed up there. It
> all started with a print server that went down, as I understand it. They
> slapped togther an old 486 with Linux as a replacement/lark and it blew the
> doors off of the Pentium class NT print server it replaced. It wasn't long
> before Linux found its way onto all of the servers. No rebooting and no
> hassles. Everybody takes the network for granted now. The only time one of
> them had to be brought down was when a SCSI drive started screaming in
> agony.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: 6 Feb 2001 14:13:45 GMT
Reply-To: no-courtesy-copies-please
On 6 Feb 2001 06:30:49 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<95o5mp$gp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ > Anyway, why are you guys polluting this serious newsgroup?
+ > Be nice. Go to a sucks site or some advocacy site, to
+ > talk this crap, por favor.
+
+ I been here WAY longer than you.
So what? That and a US$1.07 will get you a cup o' coffee.
+ YOU go away.
Act like a professional, not a 15 y.o. skript kiddie...
Followups for the lamers who want to pursue lame-calling...
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: 6 Feb 2001 08:15:14 -0600
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:15:48 GMT, G3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>in article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] at
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/5/01 3:46 PM:
>
>>>
>>> IBM keyboards are the best IMHO...at least the 80s ones anyway.
>>>
>>
>> The keyboard on the original PC is about the worst in the history of
>> computing. The vic-20 had a superior keyboard.
>
>I was quite saddened when my PS/2 port died recently on my PC and I couldn't
>use my sturdy old IBM keyboard anymore. Still as a testament to the
>manufacturing, the keyboard which is older than my comp anyway outlived the
>port to which it was attached.
A ps/2 <> PC keyboard adapter can be had for just a few bucks. Signals
are the same; it just has a different connector.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: 6 Feb 2001 08:16:15 -0600
On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:25:09 -0500, Ben Reiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Ah, the IBM M-series ;) the massive clicky monstrosity that strikes
>fear into the hearts of LAN gamers everywhere... Between that and the
>Apple USB Extended II, The Just Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore.
I wouldn't wish that clicky POS on my worst enemy. WTF were they thinking
when they made the shift and return keys the same width as the alpha keys?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:22:45 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], J Sloan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
> 2/5/01 11:56 PM:
>
> >> When I installed LINUX I spent like 1.5 hours just trying to find a mouse
> >> and keyboard it would recognize, then more time trying to get it to see a
> >> simple thing like a CD ROM, (it never did get the printer),
> >
> > So you're really slow - that doesn't make you a bad
> > person, it just means you ought to stay away from
> > computers.
>
> I love how you UNIX guys assume that just because you experts an UX never
> have problems no one else will, that alone is proof UX (aside from OS X)
> will never be a consumer OS.
Deliberats sabotage by administrators does NOT count as system failure.
Hope that helps, droll one.
>
> >> I remember I had
> >
> >> to restart like 4 times to get the monitor to install,
> >
> > Here's where you really went out into left field -
> > there is no restart in the Linux install procedure.
>
> I was dicking around with video setting trying to get my (it was some SVIRGE
> video card) to display the PROPER res. I tried moving the card around,
> which last time I checked requires restart.
Translation:It was a CARD SEATING problem, not an OS configuration problem.
>
> >> the partition program
> >> kept fucking up, then the damn thing didn't want to connect to the LAN
> >
> > OK, this is definitely starting to sound like a scripted troll.
> >
> > As one who has been using Linux for a few years,
> > I can say that an install of say Red Hat on a recent
> > machine takes all of 45 minutes from booting the
> > install disk to a functional X desktop and full-on
> > network connectivity.
>
> Wow thatıs the same amount of time it took me to get win 2k to upgrade my 98
> drive, convert my programs (and weed out ones suspected to not work) and to
> reformat the drive to NTFS. No problems since either.
>
> -g3
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: 6 Feb 2001 14:23:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Don't believe me?
>>
>> I suggest you try Linux for yourself and make your own mind up.
> While I only partially agree with some of what you've written, I think this
> is something everyone (including Linux advocates) can agree on.
> Sadly, my own experience is that 2 out of every 3 people I have talked to
> that tried Linux, gave up on it without getting it to work successfully.
Two out of three people you have talked with are morons.
Yep, thats about right.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:23:58 -0500
gswork wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > It would be fascinating would it not? Some of it is probably pretty
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > You misspelled "laughable"
> >
> > [Ever see Microsoft source code??? Most of it, even college sophomores
> > would be ashamed to sign their name to. No wonder Gates doesn't want
> > anybody to see it.]
>
> I haven't really. If it's that bad I'd like to see it!
They can't manage 20 lines without writing "goto" somewhere.
>
> Any [verified] snippets hanging around on the net?
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Old Flame(war)s [ was Bill Gates and Michael Dell ]
Date: 6 Feb 2001 08:19:20 -0600
On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:30:24 +1100, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We can all get out our home-made RS-232 adapters and acoustic couplers
>and flame away at 120 bps (who could afford 300 bps?)
>
>How can 20 years have gone so fast? Hell, this makes me feel old
>well, middle-aged anyway :-(
>
>and the funny thing about all this is that Unix systems were something
>most of us could only *dream* of using back then unless we were University
>students. Now they're running the world and we get *paid* for using them.
In high school, I considered saving up to buy an ASR33 and modem to dial
into the high school computer, a PDP8E w/ 8K core divided up between
three users. Ended up with an 1802 based micro w/ 20K ram, overclocked
to 3mhz.
In college, I wanted an osborne I, but couldn't afford it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Date: 6 Feb 2001 14:25:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 03:35:27 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:00:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> For a good book on the subject, I recommend Rich Sharp's "Special
>>>> Edition: Using Samba". Published by MacMillan, available online thru
>>>> B&N or Amazon. This one's quite current, and a good companion to the
>>>> other publications in MacMillan-Que's "Special Edition" series.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh dear me, and I was told setting up Samba via SWAT was so easy.
>>> Can't be that an entire library of books has to be written to use it.
>>>
>>> Sya it's not so?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>you must not have a bookstore in your part of the Solar System that
>>carries a score of Windows books even though Windows is 'supposed' to be
>>the easiest OS this side of Andromeda.
> Difference is you don't need them under Windows, but you sure as hell
> do under Linsux.
Well, YOU do. Try not to speak for others, claire; some of us are not
retarded.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 09:26:49 -0500
G3 wrote:
>
> in article 3a7f89df$0$26819$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Seebach at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/6/01 12:21 AM:
>
> > Then you're forgetting one of the most common PC Unix problems; most
> > Unix-like systems politely ignore incorrectly jumpered drives - say, a
> > slave device on a channel with no master device.
>
> Actually now that you point that out I am very unhappy I hadn't thought of
> that. 0_0 I think, as I did switch the drives around in frustration, that I
> may have ended up accomplishing fixing that but I am positive thatıs how the
> cdrom was setup because I had just recently removed the second hard drive
> that was originally a slave to the one I was then installing linux on, I'd
> never moved the cdrom over.
>
> >> How exactly did you get the install-CD going if the CD-ROM wasn't recognized?
> >
> > Uhm. The BIOS finds the CD, boots from the El Torito floppy image, and then
> > that image loads a kernel which doesn't probe the CD? This can't happen
> > to various users of various OS's more than a few thousand times a week.
>
> > Linux may not be as bad as that guy thought it was, but you sure aren't
> > impressing anyone by "debunking" a story which is fairly common and
> > well-understood.
>
> The install was treacherous, and for little benefit. Work already has
> serveral linux servers I can telnet to, I have yet to find a good reason to
> waste on e of my own machines on it. I do mostly graphic intensive stuff,
> 90% mac based with Windows mostly around for compatibility testing.
>
> Still these linux idiots presume that just because all they do is write perl
> scripts all day to processes text files that no one else does anything
> requiring REAL graphics capabilities, like multiple monitors, color
> correction, video editing, image editing. Etc.
That must be why EVERY automotibile manufacturer and supplier uses
UNIX to do all of their VERY graphically-intensive 3D-CAD work...as
well as illustration, etc...EVERYTHING to do with image production
as well.
>
> -G3
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...despite (C) above.
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adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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