Linux-Advocacy Digest #8, Volume #34 Sat, 28 Apr 01 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism (Gunner ©)
Re: Communism (Gunner ©)
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
(Gunner ©)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Ed Allen)
Re: MS and ISP's (William Shakespeare)
Re: Unwelcome changes in Linux advocacy. ("Alexander Nosenko")
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Communism (silverback)
Re: Unwelcome changes in Linux advocacy. (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (GreyCloud)
Re: Sony: Linux Inside (GreyCloud)
Re: Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world: (B'ichela)
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:17:56 -0700
On 27 Apr 2001 14:14:12 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad
Everett) wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:30:41 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>> "Gunner ©" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own life.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >Hope that helps.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
>>> > >> yourself.
>>> > >
>>> > >Gonna come say that to my face?
>>> >
>>> > WEEEEE! I get dibs on the video rights! And we can split the fee when
>>> > we send numbnuts body to a medical school.
>>> >
>>> > Aaron... try to draw it out as long as possible, so we can see lots of
>>> > his blood and hear the sounds of breaking bones.. Ive already got a
>>> > buyer for the master tape.
>>
>>This is illegal,I hope you know.
>>
>
>In our town, there are High School students who have been arrested and
>suspended from school for making such statements online.
Hummm lets see.. I graduated from High School in 70'..so its gonna be a
bitch getting me kicked out of class.
Gunner
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:19:48 -0700
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:54:52 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > his blood and hear the sounds of breaking bones.. Ive already got a
>> >> > buyer for the master tape.
>> >
>> >This is illegal,I hope you know.
>> >
>>
>> In our town, there are High School students who have been arrested and
>> suspended from school for making such statements online.
>
>Like I'm gonna go on a cross-country hunt to find some some leftist
>welfare mooch in a trailer park who is such a coward that he prefers
>to refer to himself as a non-human primate rather than reveal his
>true name.
>
>By the way, the whole thread was a MOCK vote to demonstrate to Sliverdick
>the dangers of the democracy which he's always prattling on about.
>
But..Aaron.. the Libs/wanker/pogie bait crowd really have a hard time
differentiating between reality and fiction. Hence their posting styles
and contents.
Gunner
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.military.folklore
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars.
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:35:52 -0700
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:31:30 GMT, "billh"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The C130 does not perform strategic airlift as it is not designed
>to. You can not name an instance where it has performed strategic airlift.
>Continue your waffle, wannabe. We like to see you dance. You are pathetic.
An Loc
Mactan
A Loui
Khe Sahn
Katum
Gulf War
right off the top of my head
Interesting site:
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/facts.htm
Gunner
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
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Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:00:49 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>AHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!
>
Microsoft Technical Support and the Psychic Friends Network. As a result
of this research, we have come to the following conclusions:
1.that Microsoft Technical Support and the Psychic Friends Network
are about equal in their ability to provide technical assistance
for Microsoft products over the phone;
2.that the Psychic Friends Network has a distinct edge over Microsoft
in the areas of courtesy, response time, and cost of support; but
3.that Microsoft has a generally better refund policy if they fail
to solve your problem.
http://www.bmug.org/news/articles/MSvsPF.html
--
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
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From: William Shakespeare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:03:46 -0700
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> William Shakespeare wrote:
> >
Also, the only way I can access Internet video is with
> > Windows.
Linux will not play a lot of the formats out there, if I am not
mistaken.
The only way I can use voice chat
Never heard of voice chat for Linux via an app.
or IP telephony is with
> > Windows.
Never heard of this on Linux either, except for one app, which will
not dial a phone. :(
Also, my subwoofers on my speakers will only work with
> > Windows. If I want to use a webcam, I can only use Windows.
There has been an awful lot of bitching in the Linux crowd about the
lack of this support on Linux. Search the net and you will find it.
>
> You'd better check again. Linux support pretty much everything you've
> mentioned.
>
> Oh, now I get it, that remark about subwoofers... you're joking!
> Ha ha!
I fuckin kid you not, bro! No shit! My damned subwoofers have
*drivers*! LOL. Yep, and Windows-only too, of course.
--
Bill
"The second thing we do, let's kill all the editors." Edited out of
Henry IV, Part I.
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From: "Alexander Nosenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unwelcome changes in Linux advocacy.
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:49:37 +0400
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> That anything useful
> is said in messages here is merely a happy coincidence. ;^)
And after doing something genuinely stupid one can always look at the
c.o.l.a. and say "well, after all i'm not the biggest fool on the planet".
This ng is veeryy uuseful...
Alexander Nosenko
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:15:27 GMT
Terry Porter wrote:
>> I have a SAMBA server at work and Windows PC's that connect to it. It
>> wasn't hard to make Windows see the Samba server - once you modify
>> LMHOSTS and point the names at the SAMBA box.
> Eeks no thanks, no registry editing on her pc for me.
LMHOSTS is a file - nothing to do with the registers. It's the Lan Manager
HOSTS file.
>> There's a command line ftp in Windows that works just fine.
> I know its there, but transferring hundreds of files this way is just too
> hard.
mput *.*
>>> Windows98 GUI - 22 to choose from, probably IceWm
>>
>> Hmmm... not of them, not even KDE or GNOME are as functional as Windows
>> GUI.
> Your description of functional, is different to mine. Windows lacks remote
> GUI, to me this makes it totally unusable, not to mention disfunctional.
Terminal services? (Yeah, I know, you need Windows 2000 for that!)
>> If konqueror is an example of file manager's it's nothing to write home
>> about.
> Um.. I dont use KDE Pete, you know that. Where did I mention konqueror ??
I did say example.
>> Word is way ahead compared to Lyx or AbiWord (which was alpha-test last
>> time I looked). However it depends what you want to do, doesn't it? Word
>> seems to start creaking when you get beyond the simple stuff.
> For her writing, all she needs is LYX, she actually detests Ms Word.
If she's happy with Lyx, then fine.
>> There's nothing Microsoft Comic Chat is there?
> Yeah there are all manner of irc clients for Linux, 3D, whatever you want.
> Wether theyre compatiblewith comic chat, I dont know.
Comic Char is IRC.
>>> ICQ - Licq
>>
>> ICQ on Windows is far, far better than LICQ.
> How?
More functionality - I usec both the Windows version and LICQ and there
more things in the user profile than LICQ.
>> Winamp, MusicMatch and whole army of players on Windows.
> Yep as I stated above. Mind you, are they shareware etc ?
Winamp is free. MusicMatch is shareware.
>> 8). How about 'ftp' or did you miss that on Windows?
> No, I even tried it, but its too lacking to be usefull, as far as I can
> tell. How do I easily upload nested directories and files with it ?
mput *.*
(dunno about directories). You could ZIP everything up first and do it that
way.
>> Paint Shop Pro.
> How much does that cost?
£90 last time I looked.
>> What's a writer using a compiler for?
> The compiler is for me to use, when I remotely add apps to her pc, as she
> decides she wants them.
So, you're holding her hand for her.
> Now I find what she wants in source form, and d/l it. Once d/l I compile
> it using her Gcc and add it to her user menu, allwhile she continues to
> work on her pc, no reboots neccessary :)
If she found it in binary form, she wouldn't need to build it. She could
install it herself.
>> One advantage.
> And used in my explanation to you above.
It's still one advantage. Your explanation showed me a limitation of Linux
- you need to build apps from sources. What's wrong with a binary?
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:22:05 GMT
Terry Porter wrote:
> And you Pete Goodwin,specialise in spreading FUD.
And you are not posting a trace of evidence.
> Very little you try with Linux works, while the *same* things work for us.
> Your continual posts stating what doesnt work, together with your history
> of ignoring advice (you have even said you *don't* want advice) makes you
> a FUDmeister.
I said I don't post on COLA looking for advice because that wasn't the
intent of this group.
As for what I find doesn't work and what allegedly works for the rest of
you - care to remember one post where I found a whole bunch of people who
agreed with what I found? You conveniently ignore such examples.
The only FUD I see posted here is from Linux Advocates. I'm posting fact.
>> How about some _evidence_?
> This is COLA, evidence is not required. No one has asked you to *prove*
> that the things you claim don't work, are factual.
Evidence _is_ required. You say I post FUD. Fine, where have I done that?
The fact that you are unwilling to post examples, and are hiding behind a
ridiculous statement ("evidence is not required") means you have none.
>> Like what Terry? Got any examples?
> No Pete, I don't keep a database of your posts, so I rely on my memory.
> You'll just have to trust me :)
In other words you have none. It's what you've convinced yourself is the
case.
--
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:33:37 GMT
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:54:52 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:30:41 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Gunner ©" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own life.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Hope that helps.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
>> >> > >> yourself.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Gonna come say that to my face?
>> >> >
>> >> > WEEEEE! I get dibs on the video rights! And we can split the fee when
>> >> > we send numbnuts body to a medical school.
>> >> >
>> >> > Aaron... try to draw it out as long as possible, so we can see lots of
>> >> > his blood and hear the sounds of breaking bones.. Ive already got a
>> >> > buyer for the master tape.
>> >
>> >This is illegal,I hope you know.
>> >
>>
>> In our town, there are High School students who have been arrested and
>> suspended from school for making such statements online.
>
>Like I'm gonna go on a cross-country hunt to find some some leftist
>welfare mooch in a trailer park who is such a coward that he prefers
>to refer to himself as a non-human primate rather than reveal his
>true name.
>
>By the way, the whole thread was a MOCK vote to demonstrate to Sliverdick
>the dangers of the democracy which he's always prattling on about.
then why are you laying face down in the manure pile?
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Unwelcome changes in Linux advocacy.
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:38:35 GMT
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:37:39 GMT, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|Hullo wrote:
|>frankly I'm
|>disappointed with the speed with which you as a group resort to foul
|>language, personal insult, invented (or copied) technical
|>reports/information, but ...
|>I'm hiring an MS head rather than a Linux guru as at least they show less
|>capacity for being personally obnoxious. May I suggest that you consider
|>evaluating how you "advocate" your hobby ( and it is clearly a hobby rather
|>than an occupation for most of you
|>I wish Linux could be rolled back
|>to when it ran on a 386 DX 16 and Linux users were nice friendly people
|>(best illustrated by Linus himself).
|
|I actually agree with what he said above (apart from the insults,
|that said I did miss the original thread so it's possible there
|was provocation).
|
|I've read quite a few posts on this newsgroup which have lead me
|to believe that the majority of (current) Linux users really
|don't want to be civil. I'm not talking about being excessively
|polite, just civil - it's easier to keep quiet than be unhelpful,
|after all.
Sorry, reading this group does not give you enough information to
reach that conclusion. At most, you could say that the majority
of Linux posters to c.o.l.a. don't want to be civil.
There are millions of Linux users. There are not millions of posters
to this newsgroup. Therefore the majority of Linux users don't post
here, and you cannot make any conclusions about them from reading
this group. In all likelyhood they are much nicer that the ones that
do post here, and the general tone of the group drove them away
in disgust (but I don't have any grounds for that assertion either).
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:59:14 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > Problem #1 no network neighbourhood icon. Although I set up Samba easily
> on my
> > Linux box, her pc lacked the above NN facility. Could I restore it ...
> nope.
> > Tweakui fails to work, Windows help is non existant. I have no interest in
> > buying 'secrets of the windows registry' so I can manipulate a terse,
> binary
> > database, that will render her machine unusable should I screw up the
> editing.
>
> Did you have the "Client for Microsoft Networks" Installed? And did you
> have "I want to share my files" checkbox checked?
>
> I've never heard of this problem if these were installed.
This brings up an important question... : Documentation for the end
user to read.
I don't find this documentation provided with the current PCs with WinMe
installed.
If I can't find it, do you expect the public to know?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sony: Linux Inside
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:06:19 -0700
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Glitch wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/565026.asp
> > >
> > > Linux on the PS2
> >
> > Yes. I received e-mail on it as well. Kplug.org says its official.
>
> Too bad I still can't order a Vaio without Windows or Word on it.
>
> --
> It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
I suspect that Sonys' Vaio has some convoluted contract that they have
to abide by.
The PS2 is a different bananna.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: Another example of Microsoft not living in the real world:
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:32:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:05:18 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Ever hear of the phrase "it's the principal of the matter"?
>
>If it were the principle (not principal) of the matter, then Linux wouldn't
>even exist, since it would need to have been written completely in assembly
>language to make it the most efficient piece of software on the planet.
That brings up an interesting question... in reguards to all
of the distributions of Linux. Is there any version where someone got
into the MEAT of the compiled object code, the actual binary, optimized it
for space and speed. If so which distribution has this been done with?
Some people got small cores here. Some find old boxen laying
around that only has 8mb of ram with 200MB or so Hds.
--
B'ichela
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