Linux-Advocacy Digest #540, Volume #32 Tue, 27 Feb 01 20:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: State of linux distros (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7) (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: How much does it take to make sound work in linux?? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/ (Peter Hayes)
Re: Linux--First Impressions from a semi-newbie (Brent R)
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: Java Platform Monopoly (Was: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments.... (Charlie Ebert)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:21:02 -0500
Gerry wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > People who are too lazy to hit the "next article" key upon seeing the top
> > of a .sig are tooo fucking lazy to click on a URL
>
> It's not about lazyness...
> I guess when you saw that someone disagreed with you, you stopped
> reading.
>
> Do you really think that someone who is too lazy to hit the "next
> article" key and someone who is too lazy to click on a URL WON'T be lazy
> enough to NOT read your uninteresting ramblings?
>
> Did you ever think about the thousands of other people on newsgroups who
> aren't one bit interested in what your signature says, but have it
> thrown into their faces every time they happen to read a message by you?
Clue for the clueless...
When you see the lines:
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
STOP READING!
>
> > For one or two people, that might be a coincidence.
> >
> > For 5 or more....no...that's definitely cause and effect.
>
> Did you ever think about WHY these people acted this way towards you?
>
> No one's ever behaved in such a "malicious" way towards me, or most
> other people I know.
>
> > I refuse to buy into the arguments of idiots. f that's a failing, then sue
> > Ime.
>
> That's the problem though.
> You automatically assume that someone who disagrees with you is an
> idiot.
>
> Idiot.
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/gbeggs/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.GerryICQ.com/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:22:15 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> > Every source that claims that MS tried multiple conversions of Hotmail to NT
> > all reference the same *SINGLE* story published on less than credible news
> > site with "unnamed" sources.
>
> Cnet - Sun->NT
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-344896.html
>
> ZDNet - BSD->NT
> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2000/30/ns-17071.html
>
> True to form with the Microsoft web site, searching for something doesn't
> turn it up. Do you have a link to microsoft.com with their most recent
> official statement?
>
> > Meanwhile, MS themselves stated specifically that no conversion was ever
> > attempted. Further, the claim was that MS tried to convert to NT within
> > weeks of purchasing Hotmail. It would have taken them months just to
> > familiarize themselves with the system enough to even begin such a task, let
> > alone complete and fail within weeks.
>
> That's based on a false premise... MS would be quite capable of fucking
> up the conversion in just a couple of weeks. A sane programmer wouldn't
> attempt it without reading and understanding the source code, but sanity
> is a bit short in some areas.
Most notably on the Mafia$oft campus.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:34:36 -0500
Mark McIntyre wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:15:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lawrence
> Kirby) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Aaron Kulkis" writes:
> >
> >...
> >
> >>Complete bozos are not given security clearances nor allowed to even
> >>seeh, let alone use military code books.
>
> ROFL. Is Aaron asserting that field officers can't see codebooks,
> unless they're also smart? Sheesh !
Do you know what it takes to become an officer these days?
>
> >Given the number of high-ranking miliary officers that have over the
> >years proven to be "complete bozos" this statement is, to say the least,
> >naive.
>
> Starting with Olly North...
He completed his mission successfully, which is more than you can say.
>
> --
> CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:35:28 -0500
Reefer wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Translation: Linux has accomplished more crossed more computational
> > hurdles in 7 years than Mafia$oft has in 25.
>
> Sorry Hulk...u got it wrong again...try one more time...
>
> Microsoft stands for; Innovation and technical progress, *nix stands for;
> backwards mentality, used only by those
> who are re-living the 70:s....got it?
That must be why all the CUTTING EDGE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY is
developed on Unix first.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:36:30 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> > > (BTW, Office 95 was significantly better than Office 2000)
> > >
> > Care to elaborate Giuliano? Interesting point. Or anyone else have
> > any opinions on this?
> >
>
> Office 95 - a couple of Y2K patches, occasionally crashes for no apparent
> reason, no office assistant, unobtrusive and optional office sidebar (I
> hated it, but I loved that fact that it would fucking STAY GONE, not like
> the bloody paperclip)
>
> Office 97 - two NON-cumulative service packs, still unreliable, office
> assiSATANt, slower, often can't even INSTALL without introducing a couple
> of screwups into the registry (regclean sometimes picks these up)
>
> Office 2000 - I don't even want to start on this, IMO it is pure evil,
> but let's just say 'compulsory registration' and leave it at that.
That's more or less my experience, with minor differences, because
localized versions suffer from MS inability to tell apart code from text
messages. After Office 95 (not good but bearable) we got Office 97 for
free, bundled in a few PC we bought, and found it slow, dramatically
more unstable than Office 95 we had. After some time all the Office 97
versions have been uninstalled, and reverted (with some pain and
StarOffice help) to Office 95 for which we had a site license.
Compulsory registration of Office 2000 rules it out for our use: we
frequently wipe clean computers and reinstall everything, and usually
those registration gimmicks fail painfully. However I haven't seen any
useful feature added since Office 95, I've seen the product becoming
bloated, unsecure and more and more unstable. When a text editor decides
to correct the name of your customer because it thinks you misspelled
it, and replaces it with a word you'd better not use in a polite letter,
you understand that the added "features" are really idiotic. If you're
writing in a hurry, you may not notice it. If the customer gets the
letter, this significantly increases the Total Cost of Ownership, if you
understand what I mean. For that reason the only place where you may
find Office 97 at our company is in a number CD's neatly piled up in a
corner. Sometimes they are used to get clip art cartoons.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7)
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:48:05 GMT
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:01:47 -0500, Masha Ku'Inanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|> I'm going to begin familiarizing myself w/Unix to ultimately become a Unix
|> system administrator. I've got copies of FreeBSD 4.4 (&Lite) and Linux
|> RedHat 7. I'd like to get some advice on a strategy to take to get into
|the
|> Unix Administration field.
|>
|
|Focus on the BSDs if you wish to learn UNIX, only because they are a direct
|evolution from UNIX(tm). Some call BSD UNIX, and this is subject to debate
|by others. All the UNIX variants out there are descended from AT&T's
|original implimentation, and/or Berkley's variant. Some mix features of
|both. Linux is a clone of UNIX, a work-alike, and never contained UNIX code
|and was never directly descended from UNIX.
True, from a lawyers perspective. Linux has (almost) all of the POSIX API's
and is closer to most mainstream Unix varient (such as Solaris) than BSD is,
from a SysAdmin perspective.
This is mainly to do with the startup sequences, and how starting additional
software at boot time is handled.
|Besides, the BSDs run Linux binaries.
|
|You'll also get to see two different "open-source" licenses. Linux requires
|your source code be made publically available, if it is GPL'ed, whereas the
|BSD one does not. In that sense, the BSD is considered by some to be the
|truly "free" license, because it does not tell you what you should or should
|not do with your work.
If it is your work, you can do what you like with it. The licenses tell you
what you can do with *somebody* *elses* work. If you want to make improvements
to another piece of software, then you need to look at the license. Just using
the software should be no problem.
|Linux is stable. FreeBSD is considered more stable by order of magnitude.
|NetBSD is considered to be the most cross-platform version. OpenBSD is
|considered the most secure OS in the world.
|
|> Does anyone have any opinion/documentation on whether focusing on FreeBSD
|> would be better than studying Linux (RH or other form)? I'm interested in
|> focusing on Unix-oriented info that's applicable to the largest number of
|> Unix-like OSes, since there are so many of them out there.
Check out Solaris as well. You can get a non-commercial use copy from Sun
(both SPARC and x86 versions) for minimal cost.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much does it take to make sound work in linux??
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:48:23 GMT
Hi #KUNDAN KUMAR#,
> I have become frustrated and you are my last hope.Even though i am a
> newbie, i managed to install debian and upgrade my kernel to 2.4.1. But
> after lots of tweaking, I am unable to get the sound working with good
> quality. I had LM 7.2 installed on my computer earlier and the card was
> working fine.
> What I could get from the KDE control center was something like this:
> Yamaha DSXG PCI(YMF724F) o:YMFPCI at oxd5020000, irq 10 (DUPLEX) alias
> sound-slot-0 snd-card-ymfpci post-install snd-card-ymfpci modprobe
> snd-pcm-oss
I have found the YMF724 works great with a 2.4.2 kernel. I didn't do
anything sound-specific except upgrade my kernel in my Redhat 7.0 install.
2.4.1 had a lot of important bugs and it is highly recommended you upgrade
(a data corruption bug was discovered).
These are the sound options I have compiled in as "Y"es. Everything else
is "N":
Sound Card Support Y
OSS Sound Modules Y
Yamaha YMF7xx PCI audio (native mode) Y
Yamaha PCI legacy ports support Y
Hope that helps,
Adam
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how much computer power we have/
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:50:49 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:16:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Edward Rosten
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:48:43 +0000
> <978l5k$p4q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >In article <978e26$v59$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>>What's next? More transistors. More power. More speed. At this year's
> >>>ISSCC, Patrick Gelsinger predicted that the processor of 2010 will
> >>>contain 1B transistors, run at 20-30GHz, and perform over 1T operations
> >>>per second (it will also consume in excess of 10kW of power).
> >>
> >> That last part makes me doubt his predictions. I simply cannot see much
> >> of a market for processors that require industrial power to be connected
> >> to the back of the machine.... At least not a mass-market.
> >
> >
> >I can. Starting from the home computers of the early 80's, the amount of
> >power required has steadily increased. Bear in mind, thet the faster you
> >want to switch a silicon junctio, the more power you need to switch it.
>
> Not necessarily, if the junction gets smaller as well as faster.
> But you're right; I still have an old PC-XT (AT?) 65W power supply
> lying around.
>
> It makes a great doorstop. :-)
>
> Nowadays, anything less than 300W is suspect.
Let's see.
300/65 = 4.6 times increase in psu output.
The PC-XT ran at 4.77MHz a 300w psu powers 1.4GHz.
1400/4.77 = 300 times faster, near enough.
So, in crude terms a 300 fold increase in speed requires a 4.6 increase in
power.
Extrapolate to 30GHz, 30000/1400 = 21 times the 4.6 increase = 97 times 65W
= approx 6.3Kw
So, allowing for the reduced current consumption of today's hard disks over
those 15 or so years ago and other efficiences, 10Kw seems likely.
Peter
--
The past is almost as mysterious as the future.
------------------------------
From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux--First Impressions from a semi-newbie
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:55:09 GMT
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner) wrote:
>
> >Hardware support is not as good as with Windows. My AGP video card
> >was supported under X using the generic SVGA driver, but none of the
> >acceleration options were available.
>
> What kind of video card do you have?
>
> >Likewise, neither of my two
> >high-end sound card chipset were supported. I've bought a used Sound
> >Blaster PCI 64 to solve that.
>
> Yeah, this is one of the major areas where hardware support is lacking.
>
> >My modem isn't supported, but I didn't
> >know at the time I bought it that it was a "winmodem", so I can't
> >blame linux for this.
>
> A few winmodems are supported (see http://www.linmodems.org/ ), but
> yes, you're best off with a controller-based modem.
>
> Your safest bet is an external modem with a serial interface; serial
> interfaces can't handle the bandwidth needed for a winmodem, and such
> modems perforce must be controller-based. Most (all?) USB modems will
> work if you have a 2.4 kernel. Many ISA modems will work; Creative
> makes one of these that is specifically marketed as controller-based,
> right there on the box, and sells for about $70. Most PCI modems
> won't work.
>
> See http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html for the best known
> compatibility list for modems.
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
Smartlink sells a "Linux modem" for 30$. It's a nice cheap alternative
to an expensive external.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:59:50 GMT
Mathew Hendry wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:35:36 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>>When was the last time you crawled under machine-gun fire, seeing the
> >>>tracers flying literally within arm's reach of your head?
> >>
> >> I didn't know they were still using agent orange over there.
> >
> >Agent orange is still in widespread use as a weedkiller (a plant
> >biologist informed me of this). I can't remember its name though.
> >
> >Just out of intrest, what do tracer bullits have to do with weed killer?
> >
> >I really can't figure that out.
>
> IIRC agent orange has some unpleasant side-effects on fetal development,
> including limbs appearing in the wrong place (or not at all).
No, I'm think that Agent Orange is a MAJOR carcinogen. All I know is
that vets were feeling the effects relatively shortly after being
exposed to it.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Java Platform Monopoly (Was: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:09:23 GMT
In article <97hba2$jci$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If we consider an OS as a framework and an execution engine, then the Java
>Platform IS that new monopoly, and Sun's fondest dream.
>
>Except this OS is a web middleware OS.
>
>Consider: it is widely said that Microsoft's old desktop monopoly is
>"history," to be replaced by high powered servers running devices so you can
>take your desktop with you.
>
>Ever hear this? Multitudes of posters suddenly have amnesia. :)
>
>How can an OS that is "history" be a monopoly, when part of the definition
>of a monopoly is that it can prevent competition?
>
>What is the competition that it cannot prevent? Hooking up to the web via
>various middleware. An OS with no web connection has no market. An OS with
>web connections, ie middleware, is transformed into a Network OS (NOS).
>
>The new Network OS has as its underlying "platform" a web-centric framework
>and execution engine. Ever hear of the Java Platform? How about the .NET
>Platform?
>
>For technical analysis, the posters have suddenly become the famous, "hear
>no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" trio.
>
>Gentlemen, start you engines: let the toadying begin.
>
>2 + 2
>
>
The Bell Companies became Companies when they cornered the market.
There was no other phone company to use.
Microsoft has done so much the same thing.
Your paying for Windows on that New PC even if you didn't intend to
use it. Your paying for Windows on that new hard drive for your PC,
even if you didn't want it.
The advent of the WIN products such as Win printers, Win Modems, Win
eithernet interfaces, WIN scanners! Unless you run Windows you
can't buy the product and use it!
Microsoft is attempting to corner the internet with .NET!
If you don't run .NET your not going to use the internet!
That's another @WW highjack of your freedoms and your rights to
competitive marketplace!
What were OTHER vendors of word processors told when Microsoft
came up with their OWN proprietary format for storing Word and
Excel documents! They were told they couldn't have the secret
to reading the file! Again! If you've invested heavily in
one product such as Office for you company's infrastructure your
STUCK THERE. They find it too expensive to move off.
And what of you the consumer when your vendor sends you the
information written in WORD as an e-mail attachment! Again,
you have to use Windows to do business with them or you go
elsewhere!
Microsoft if using every corporation in America to help enforce
THEIR philosophy on a non-competitive marketplace @WW.
And there was no reason for this either!
Anyone who attempts to compete with Microsoft, Netscape, Corel,
Borland,,, they all just get crushed as they are not given the
same API's to write their software with as Microsoft has.
They are not given the information to share with Microsoft to
be competitive! Not even in file formats!
If Microsoft manages to save itself from this court ordered breakup
then I have to ask the question, why are we bothering to go after
organized crime in this country at all.
Why don't we just let the Mafia run everything and resign all our
rights as US citizens, just at the REPUBLICANS EXPECT YOU TO DO!
They may be against gun control but they appearently don't see
anything wrong with infringing on the right to free speech, AKA
write your own software in a free manner, and also they see
nothing wrong with allowing monopolies to thrive at the expense
of the U.S. Citizens.
What a dramatic change in our nation!
Standard Oil.
Charlie
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