Linux-Advocacy Digest #675, Volume #32 Tue, 6 Mar 01 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Dave)
Re: KDE or GNOME? (Bob Hauck)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: KDE or GNOME? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: KDE or GNOME? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: New Source for Open Source Applications - Easy Install (.)
Re: Linux on it's way back to (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (David Masterson)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: KDE or GNOME? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows... (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux Joke ("Martigan")
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Rich Blacker")
Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux? (Rob S. Wolfram)
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:38:08 -0700
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 01:23:24 -0500, "JS PL" <js@plcom> wrote:
>
>"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > That's also another reason no one likes [Linux]. It's
>> > touted as being free, but it's generally not.
>>
>> Interesting assertion.
>>
>> What do you mean?
>
>Typical "not" free situation:
>I don't know anyone with the exception of myself who would download a cd
>distribution 600-1200mb of Linux. Therefore they simply pick it up off the
>shelf at a retail outlet. Pay the cashier $30-$50. Take it home and install
>it. Find out that the cheap winmodem that came with their shitty OEM system
>doesn't even exist to Linux. At this point I'd guess 95% uninstall Linux and
>go back to Microsoft Windows, 50 bucks smarter. The other 5% go back to the
>store and get a hardware driven modem. Run Linux for a day, find out it
>offers nothing more than Windows, and 4.7 of that 5% uninstall it after a
>week. Everyone I've personally known who's used Linux has been down the
>described path.
Then they spend the next three days trying to get Windows and their 50
or so applications installed without hanging the system and trashing
the hard drive. In the process they have go online to download some
updates and a kiddie hacker gets in through Windows' flimsy excuse for
security and gets all their account numbers and empties out their bank
account and charges all their credit-cards to the limit. They can't
make payments on time and can't borrow money so they lose their car
and home, and that makes it very hard to keep their job. Pretty soon
their spouse leaves them, and they end up just another drunken bum in
an alley but it really doesn't matter because a giant meteor hits the
earth breaking it into fragments and the fragment our hapless Windows
user is on goes flying off into space where he's rescued by an
intergalactic rebels fleeing the evil empire. Their computer systems
are damaged and they need an OS. But look! Our hero still has his
Windows CD in his coat pocket! At the last moment, with enemy fighters
closing in fast, the rebels desperately load Windows into their
computers. "What's this blue screen mean"? asks the rebel commander as
the rebel shields fail, all their weapons stop working, and then their
star-engines die.
The rebels are captured alive and tortured while the Evil Tyrant gains
full and final control of the Universe. Too bad our hapless user
didn't have a *real* OS in his pocket instead of Windows!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: KDE or GNOME?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:58:50 GMT
On 06 Mar 2001 11:32:29 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) writes:
>> You don't even need continuations for that. Python is smart enough to
>> figure it out. This works fine:
>>
>> # snippage
>> #
>> elif (dt.calltype == INCOMING):
>> #
>> # Try to match the digits we have so far.
>> #
>> res = xlate.match (call_handle_2_port (handle),
>> dt.ts,
>> dt.destination_addr)
>
>Thanks for the information, that's neat. Does it also handle
>multi-line strings and such as well?
Python will concatenate strings that are immediately adjacent. You do
have to be careful, as sometimes the context can lead it to treat a
newline as a statement terminator. The interpreter knows about context
and normally does the right thing (i.e. what you'd expect).
[hauck@lab hauck]$ python
>>> print ("this is one string "
... "and this is another")
this is one string and this is another
However, leaving off the parenthesis causes this to be interpreted
differently because the end-of-line terminates the print. This is the
situation where you'd like to see a block terminator:
>>> print "this is one string "
this is one string
>>> "and this is another"
'and this is another'
With continuations this works as before:
>>> print "this is one string " \
... "and this is another"
this is one string and this is another
You can of course embed newlines into strings with '\n'.
> (without using the """ operator, IIRC)
What's wrong with triple-quoted strings? They work sort of like
here-docs in shell. IOW, if you want to lay out your strings with
newlines and all right within your source, triple-quoting is the way to
do it.
>>> print """
... This is some long and involved
... multi-line string.
... """
This is some long and involved
multi-line string.
>>>
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:11:30 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:55:18 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:38:24 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>They have not. The GPL even stipulates that it's not concerned
>>>>with the price, only with the continued availability of the
>>>>source code, and all the derivative works of the source code,
>>>>if these are distributed.
>>>
>>> Meaningless. Since there's nothing preventing someone from buying a copy and
>>> turning around and giving it away for free, the market is effectively
>>> destroyed.
>>
>>Cheapbytes hasn't "destroyed" the expensive Linux distributions.
>>And yes, you won't make money on _every_ copy. That's something
>>Microsoft experiences as well.
>
> Linux distributions are not single pieces of software, so at best you are
> using an analogy, and not a counter-example.
>
Are you the one who figured out how many angles can
dance on a pinhead?
--
Stefaan
--
How's it supposed to get the respect of management if you've got just
one guy working on the project? It's much more impressive to have a
battery of programmers slaving away. -- Jeffrey Hobbs (comp.lang.tcl)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: KDE or GNOME?
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:02:04 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:52:53 -0500...
...and Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm interesting in hearing objectively which is better between the two.
> Objectively, we know that GNONE was forked off of the KDE project,
GNOME was never forked off the KDE project. There was no common code
base from where both projects would have originated.
> As far as underlying architecture goes, I would have to say that Qt has
> a much better API than Gtk. However, GNOME has put an additional
> abstraction layer on top of Gtk,
No. For basic GUI work, you use direct GTK+ calls. The additional
GNOME widgets are what you mean. They're plain GTK+ widgets, but they
make programming nice GUIs much easier. But they're not in any way an
API abstraction layer.
mawa
--
Warkus' Law of Unix Software Evolution:
1. Common sense will eventually win out.
2. We didn't say it would happen soon.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: KDE or GNOME?
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:02:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 6 Mar 2001 08:06:06 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:52:53 -0500, Donn Miller wrote:
> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>
> I just sold someone on KDE, because of the "killer app" -- Konsole.
>
> The virtual desktops in an xterm is a very kool idea. Kudos to the
> K-folks.
Not a KDE invention. Ever checked out gsh? And I suppose the idea
existed even before gsh.
mawa
--
Warkus' Law of Unix Software Evolution:
1. Common sense will eventually win out.
2. We didn't say it would happen soon.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: New Source for Open Source Applications - Easy Install
Date: 6 Mar 2001 20:11:04 GMT
Open Country <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, new Linux desktop application installer is available. Check it
> out and let us know what you think. http://www.opencountry.net
Neat!
> Our company helps the less technical to use and enjoy Linux by
> repackaging open-source software in an easy install, QwikClick(tm),
> format. The base application remains unchanged. It's like putting
> the application on a CD for distribution, except that it will be
> downloaded and installed over the internet. A user will be able to
> subscribe to the store, and as a subscriber obtain and install a
> variety of common applications or games with only one click. A
> nominal fee is charged for the install convenience and a part of the
> revenue obtained is sent back to the open-source developer or his
> designated charity.
Ah, it was too good to be true. I knew you were selling something.
I went to your website, and its a piece of shit. All the images
are broken, the links lead to nowhere, and for somereason you found
it nessesary to (incorrectly) use PHP.
Also, your diminutive software lists are useless and lame. Everything
you list on your site is included on EVERY linux distribution disk
there is. You offer nothing.
> Consider this an open-source effort, check out our web site,
> http://www.opencountry.net, and tell us your reactions. If you have
> authored an open-source product that you'd like us to consider for
> non-exclusive redistribution, send us e-mail at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why dont you do something impressive and attempt to redistribute
video driver packages? I know a few tens of thousands of linux users
who would pay to get their NVDIA drivers working.
=====.
--
"It's natural to expect there might be people doing stupid things
with computers"
---Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's national infrastructure
protection center commenting on Y2K concerns about hacker attacks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux on it's way back to
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:18:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bloody Viking
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 6 Mar 2001 11:15:51 GMT
<982gt7$q4e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Donovan Rebbechi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: How will it "lose" ground on the desktop ? I mean from its current base
>: that isn't likely to happen. From what I've seen, it appears to be
>: growing.
>
>With the MS-Monopoly(tm) on the desktop, Linux can only gain, even if it was
>one desktop at a time. As of now, there are only a handful of deaktop Linux
>users, though server users are plentiful.
Depends.
If Microsoft develops the next "killer app" (parse that any way you
like :-) ), Linux may run into major problems. Even now, things like
DeCSS have been thrown into a gray legal area, which means Linux may
have problems playing DVDs -- a prime component for entertainment
computing in homes and possibly home offices. The Napster situation
casts a pall over the entire Internet (the Internet being a *marvelous*
method for downloading copyrighted Webpages, among other things).
I suspect this will be dealt with in some fashion. Mind you, Microsoft's
track record has been less than stellar. Consider "BOB". I suspect
Microsoft would just as soon forget about "BOB". WinMe is warmed-over
Win98, which itself is warmed-over Win95+IE, which is a jazzed-up
Win3.11 with a new (and visually pretty, but functionally ugly) GUI
slapped on -- I'd just as soon shoot the horizontal scrollbar in the
COMMDLG FileOpen dialog, for example; that's just stupid.
>From what I've seen of Windows XP, I'm not impressed. More eyecandy,
but the same crap. I'm not sure MacOSX is better, but I'm not as
familiar with it as with Windows -- and it's not nearly as dominant,
which means there's a chance that it's not only better-looking, but
more powerful under the hood.
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 29d:10h:38m actually running Linux.
The US gov't spends about $54,000/second. I wish I could.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:24:15 -0500
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
From: David Masterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> "Stefaan" == Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I'm not going to get into this fight, but...
> Are you the one who figured out how many angles can dance on a
> pinhead?
Angles don't dance on pinheads, but _angels_ might...
--
David Masterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Rational Software (but I don't speak for them)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: 6 Mar 2001 20:32:06 GMT
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:11:30 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:55:18 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:38:24 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>They have not. The GPL even stipulates that it's not concerned
>>>>>with the price, only with the continued availability of the
>>>>>source code, and all the derivative works of the source code,
>>>>>if these are distributed.
>>>>
>>>> Meaningless. Since there's nothing preventing someone from buying a copy and
>>>> turning around and giving it away for free, the market is effectively
>>>> destroyed.
>>>
>>>Cheapbytes hasn't "destroyed" the expensive Linux distributions.
>>>And yes, you won't make money on _every_ copy. That's something
>>>Microsoft experiences as well.
>>
>> Linux distributions are not single pieces of software, so at best you are
>> using an analogy, and not a counter-example.
>>
>Are you the one who figured out how many angles can
>dance on a pinhead?
I take it you meant "angels". But I still don't understand the comment.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: KDE or GNOME?
Date: 6 Mar 2001 20:33:57 GMT
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:02:32 +0000, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>It was the 6 Mar 2001 08:06:06 GMT...
>Not a KDE invention. Ever checked out gsh? And I suppose the idea
>existed even before gsh.
Haven't seen gsh. Does it ship with the main GNOME dist ?
Yes, the idea existed before either, after all, its' just an application
of the "virtual console" concept. But it's an extremely useful one. Now
I can run 5 or so X-terms at once (which I do quite often) without
cluttering my desktop.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Sometimes, when I run Windows...
Date: 6 Mar 2001 20:38:11 GMT
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:38:52 -0000, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>
>> >Because other people have complained of the same problems!
>>
>> Done several Linux installs, on about 25 different hardware configurations,
>> including laptops, custom builds, Dell machines, and dreaded laptops.
>> Never had hardware problems with supported hardware.
>
>So what? I do many installations on Windows without any problems - yet
>others do the same and have horrendous problems. What you find (and I
>find) may not match other people's experience.
My experience matches that of others who install on hardware that works
well with Linux. Your experience probably matches that of others who
install on hardware that works with Windows.
>Pretty much any (PC) hardware works well with Windows as everyone is
>trying to support it. The same cannot be said for Linux.
True for 9x. Not quite true for NT. I had a machine where the video card
just refused to work with NT. Changed to a more respectable video card
(Matrox Millenium II) and now it's rock solid (and the install went
beautifully) There's something to be said for "good faith", and using
one's brain to solve problems instead of whining about them.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:44:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 06 Mar 2001 04:03:29 GMT
<lkZo6.24005$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:57:26 GMT
>> <GDAo6.15430$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >
>> >"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:02:08 GMT, "Chad Myers"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Nowhere in the cites you provided does it say that one can distribute
>> >> >the copies one has made of the media.
>> >> >
>> >> ** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this
>> >> material is distributed, without profit, for research and educational
>> >> purposes only. ***
>> >
>> >Ok, for research and educational purposes, but not recreational
>> >or entertainment purposes.
>> >
>> >Like I said, you still can't burn a copy of a CD for a friend legally.
>> >The police aren't going to bust your door down, but technically
>> >it's still illegal.
>>
>> Technically, nothing; it's illegal, period. It's clear that what
>> Napster users are doing is NOT for research and educational purposes
>> (except for news reporters checking on the service, perhaps, as they're
>> presumably researching a story; as of 3/5, Napster is still breaking
>> the law).
>>
>> Whether one gets caught, of course, is an issue. The same issue
>> exists for Windows products duplicated in the USA (those duplicated
>> overseas may have their own issues; China in particular is a problem
>> as they don't really have copyright law AFAIK).
>
>I agree. I'm sorry if I gave you a different impression.
>
>I was merely being semantical.
>
>If I burned you a copy of a music CD, in the grand scheme of the
>cosmos, it wouldn't be a big deal.
One would be liable for the cost of the license, enforcement costs,
and punitive costs, depending on various factors (after all,
the trial judge and/or jury don't have to convict if the evidence
is not "beyond a reasonable doubt", for example).
>
>If I set up a major web site or internet application to allow you
>and 4 million other friends of mine to download that CD, THAT
>would be a problem. =)
And if one set up a major web site that served as a broker between
the MP3 provider (the one who ripped the CD into an MP3)
and the downloader, that's a real problem -- being more or less solved,
or at least fought in court, even as we speak.
Since I haven't used Napster, I'm not 100% sure, but my understanding
is that one logs into Napster and starts uploading ripped [*] file
titles, adding them to Napster's database; the client also allows one
to search for various files, which represent songs or tracks.
If a match is found, and the provider's computer is online, Napster
somehow acts as a data proxy between the user requesting, and the user
supplying. This means that all three are breaking copyright in some
fashion, with Napster squarely in the middle being "enabling technology".
I can't say I know the legal details -- it's not fair use, but beyond that,
I'm not sure -- but I'm also not sure how it can be stopped short of
shutting down Napster or having the RIAA or the recording artist signing
each and every MP3 file ever produced (and burned onto an audio CD) and
then rooting out bootleg copies (go to concert with digital tape recorder,
tape, copy data to MP3 on computer, make it available) somehow.
Good luck on that!
Of course, one can play all sorts of games with the song titles.
Without including some sort of encrypted data chunk which uniquely
identifies the song (and requiring the MP3 -- MP4? -- player to
check that chunk with the RIAA's or artist's public key), it's hard
to see how Napster, given only the file names and/or song titles,
can root out all copyrighted songs. Somebody out there will get clever;
one particularly idiotic workaround would be to generate a totally random
name for a file, then post a message to Usenet stating that such and
such a file is available with this random name, representing one
of Metallica's songs, for example. Or one could maintain a separate
webpage.
It's also not clear why the player would want to play "check the chunk";
RIAA would have to root out unauthorized players which don't, too.
They might require the player log into RIAA and verify its certificate,
though (the player would be digitally signed by that certificate; it
would be impossible for a bootleg player to have access to that certificate).
But even that won't stop bootleggers; the playing of audio does not
intrinsically require a digital certificate. (I used to be able to
play a simple sine wave through /dev/dsp, for example. Or one can
simply do cat stupid > /dev/dsp -- although one might want to turn
down the volume first. :-) )
So yes, it's illegal according to current copyright law. Is
it enforceable? Far from clear.
>
>-c
>
>
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 29d:11h:54m actually running Linux.
I'm here, you're there, and that's pretty much it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:45:17 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:02:20 +1300
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> If I burned you a copy of a music CD, in the grand scheme of the
>> cosmos, it wouldn't be a big deal.
>>
>> If I set up a major web site or internet application to allow you
>> and 4 million other friends of mine to download that CD, THAT
>> would be a problem. =)
>
>... but still not in the grand scheme of the cosmos ;)
True, although for some reason I'm reminded of the
Total Perspective Vortex.... :-)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random Douglas Adams book here
EAC code #191 29d:12h:17m actually running Linux.
Yes, uptime & wall clock aren't in synch; I don't know why.
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From: "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 21:04:35 GMT
Oh I'm sorry a Linux server can be taken down by ByteMeNow.txt.vbs!
Hahaha Hack that winfreak!
"Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3aa3d833$0$34330$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:97sekk$8ms$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Keldon Warlord 2000
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Q. Why does the Linux user constantly obtain
> > >> upgrades of the kernel and other OS facilities?
> > >>
> > >> A. Because he can.
> >
> > > wrong answer.
> >
> > > the real answer is: because he has to.
> >
> > Really now? Why exactly does he HAVE to?
> >
> > I am in control of two webservers and a mail server which are all
running
> > redhat linux, and havent had any kind of upgrade in 290 days.
> >
> > Never hacked, never down, never fail.
>
> You left off, respectively:
> Not worth hacking, never worked hard, no one would notice.
>
>
>
>
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From: "Rich Blacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 21:09:09 GMT
i think that's just it: microsoft fans like bill thinking for them, whereas
linux fans like to do their own thinking and solve problems themselves.
why let microsoft make your decisions for you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Subject: Re: Whats the difference between BSD and Linux?
Date: 2 Mar 2001 06:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That won't help. You know the best of the text editors supplied with
>Win9X and up---edit.com? That uses the old convention of ctrl+ins and
>shift+ins (which I prefer since I was much more used to them being an ex
>Qbasic hacker :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that possible?
;-)
Cheers,
Rob
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
Dopeler effect:
The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come
at you rapidly.
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