Linux-Advocacy Digest #675, Volume #33           Tue, 17 Apr 01 20:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Postgres 7.1 Released (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: Postgres 7.1 Released (mlw)
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (TenKMan)
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (TenKMan)
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Donn Miller)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Aaron Brice)
  Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (GreyCloud)
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Tom Martin")
  Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 ("Tom Martin")
  Re: Linux is for the lazy ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux is for the lazy ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux = CHOICE! (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal (Roy Culley)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Postgres 7.1 Released
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:32:45 GMT

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:25:15 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Postgres 7.1 has been released.
>
>For those of you who do not know, Postgres is an object
>relational SQL database, it performs very will under
>high load and multiple users. It has real transactions
>and many advanced features like sub-selects, function based
>indexing, and more.
>
>How is this "Linux Advocacy?" It isn't strictly, but Postgres
>is an example of an Open Source project that has commercial
>and professional applications, and is free, and oh, yes, it
>runs very well on Linux.
>
>Anyone that thinks Linux isn't ready for the real professional
>market, should set up a Postgres database on a Linux box. Feel
>free to use the ODBC driver so that Windows boxes can use it too.

I was not aware that ODBC is a network proptocol?  Nevertheless, this
is good news for those who use Access, or have written programs
on NT boxes and can't get off them for whatever reason.

And this is probably good news for Postgres as well.  I wonder how
well it would perform on, say, a 64-head 20-gigabyte RAM SPARC box? :-)
It doesn't perform all that hot on a PP200 with 64 MB -- but then,
this isn't exactly the World's Fastest PC anyway, not anymore.
(But it runs Linux very nicely. :-) )

Anybody tried to benchmark Postgres on such a beast against, say,
Oracle or DB/2?

>
>
>www.postgresql.org

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                    All hail the Invisible Pink Unicorn (pbuh)!

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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Postgres 7.1 Released
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:58:35 -0400

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> 
> [Text below has been reformatted so that subsequent inclusions
> don't get totally mucked up.]
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  wrote
> on Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:25:15 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >Postgres 7.1 has been released.
> >
> >For those of you who do not know, Postgres is an object
> >relational SQL database, it performs very will under
> >high load and multiple users. It has real transactions
> >and many advanced features like sub-selects, function based
> >indexing, and more.
> >
> >How is this "Linux Advocacy?" It isn't strictly, but Postgres
> >is an example of an Open Source project that has commercial
> >and professional applications, and is free, and oh, yes, it
> >runs very well on Linux.
> >
> >Anyone that thinks Linux isn't ready for the real professional
> >market, should set up a Postgres database on a Linux box. Feel
> >free to use the ODBC driver so that Windows boxes can use it too.
> 
> I was not aware that ODBC is a network proptocol?  Nevertheless, this
> is good news for those who use Access, or have written programs
> on NT boxes and can't get off them for whatever reason.

ODBC is more or less a generic front end for SQL-esque databases. Most SQL
databases have networked protocols through which the communicate with
applications. It is the ODBC layer which hides the lower level communication.
Postgres has had a network-aware ODBC driver for several years.

> 
> And this is probably good news for Postgres as well.  I wonder how
> well it would perform on, say, a 64-head 20-gigabyte RAM SPARC box? :-)
> It doesn't perform all that hot on a PP200 with 64 MB -- but then,
> this isn't exactly the World's Fastest PC anyway, not anymore.
> (But it runs Linux very nicely. :-) )

I have been using postgres for some time, and the only problem I have with it
is that it's default configuration is very conservative. Your PP200 with 64M
RAM would probably have performed much better if the settings were tuned.

Great Bridge (http://www.greatbridge.com) has a pretty good white paper on
tuning Postgres for your environment.  

> 
> Anybody tried to benchmark Postgres on such a beast against, say,
> Oracle or DB/2?

I have seen some benchmarks that show Postgres competes pretty well when
compared with Oracle and MS-SQL, but due to the stupid licensing of these
systems, one can only guess from the version info.

-- 
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com

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From: TenKMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:56:24 GMT



Dreamspinner3 wrote:

> Been there, done that.  I hear people out in public in all the places you've
> mentioned using language much worse than the f-word.  No one arrests them,
> no one beats them up, people may glare at them and some people may even say
> something, but that is it.

I was at an Indians baseball game and some guys got kicked out for having potty
mouths.  Not a totally public place, but kind of a public place.


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From: TenKMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:02:34 GMT



Dreamspinner3 wrote:

> No, it doesn't.  Not in my book.  It should revolve around making the world
> a better place, not pumping out more people!  And if I had children, I
> wouldn't expect the world or other people to suddenly revolve around them.

You are wrong there bigtime.  My old man used to say the same thing when I was
little and now the government (i.e., current taxpayers, i.e., the little people
back then) is paying his way.  In many ways, the children of today will support
the old people of tomorrow.  You are right about the part of making the world a
better place and not pumping out kids just for the sake of kids.  You are wrong
though about the kids of today being important.  That is why I take a lot of
digital pictures of mine and I am teaching each of them to use use a digital
camera (among other things not relevant to this group).

Someday we will be old and today's kids will be left to help/hinder us.


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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:14:59 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000



Todd Morrison wrote:
> 
> It's a good thing you have chosen not to reproduce.
> 
> Your lack of compassion and responsibility would probably result in your
> offspring building pipe bombs to get your attention.

Usenet is an ADULT forum.  Kids have no business being on usenet.  Don't
tell me you're all for outlawing bachelor parties and poker games
because some idiot parent's kid might wander in there and hear something
he/she shouldn't?

If any parent had a brain, they'd keep their kids out of usenet, or
monitor what they are doing.  It's not OUR responsibility to babysit
your kid, it's YOURS.


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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:24:37 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Said Scott R. Godin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 9 Apr 2001 13:36:29
: GMT; 
:>In article <9aqr1b$r6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
:>wrote:
:>
:> | BTW: many conservatives openly call for class warfare as well.  I'm
:> | not defending them.  To a libertarian, both ideologies have some
:> | serious issues.
:>
:>heh :j noticed that, have you?

: Now if only this didn't sound like simple naive arrogance; to either,
: libertarians have serious ideological issues.


Libertarian philosophy has a few minor issues, such as first ownership
of land and natural resources, "tragedy of the commons" problems, and
otherwise lawful activities that unavoidably produce pollution or
other negative externalities. 

These issues, however, are fairly minor, compared to the issues with
authoritarian and statist philosophies.  And they are not problems
unique to libertarianism; all advanced societies must address these
problems, and usually do so through some sort of initiation of force
and/or fraud.  Since we libertarians by definition don't believe in
initiation of force and/or fraud, we have a greater challenge before
us than do authoritarians and statists: we have to figure out how to
address these problems, and thereby protect a certain set of rights,
*without* violating anyone else's rights in the process.  It is a
harder job because we hold ourselves to a higher standard. 


Joe

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From: Aaron Brice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:37:24 GMT

I couldn't agree with you more.  What's more, I'm very offended by the word
"ignoramus."  I find it childish and rude.  Could you please refrain from using
it to protect me and my children's rights?

Jim Knowles wrote:

> Who said anything about kids? It's me - I don't want to read that stuff. As
> for kill-filing as a "solution" to gratuitous rudeness and stupidity, it's a
> failure: you can't "kill-file" people like ignoramus until the damage is
> already done.
>
> What's wrong with expecting people to use polite language? Does polite
> language just take too much self-control?
>
> I guess we need rec.photo.digital.foulmouthed.children. I invite ignoramus
> and his philosophical kindred to join. Get your revenge, deprive the rest of
> us of your wit and wisdom. We'll suffer, but we promise not to whine about
> it.
>
> "Dreamspinner3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9biah1$97il6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I think what we're whining about is the fact that it is up to the parents
> of
> > any children who may read this group to censor them and make sure the
> > material their viewing is appropriate....and that others should have to
> tow
> > the line and censor themselves because said parents won't/don't/can't
> > whatever.
> >
> > "Jim Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:P_1D6.598717$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Oh how I love CAPS.
> > >
> > > There used to be a guy (Mike someone? - I don't remember exactly) in
> this
> > > group who regularly offered  abuse, insults etc. to reasonable
> questions.
> > > When his victims had the temerity to "whine" about it, his stock
> response
> > > was something along the lines of "you can't give insults, you can only
> > > receive them. I can't help it if you (victim x) CHOOSE to be offended by
> > my
> > > answer. I have a right to say what I want.".
> > >
> > > I take it you would agree with him.
> > >
> > > Personally, I hope Mike gets a great big kick in the nuts. Then he can
> > > decide whether he's RECEIVED one or not. But that will be his choice:
> you
> > > can't give them, only receive them. Then again, the nut-kicking habit is
> > > just someone else's problem. Mike shouldn't give it any thought at all.
> > >
> > > So let's all agree that when people like ignoramus3489 post their
> > pointless,
> > > juvenile, offensive language, it's THEIR problem. And, by the same
> > > reasoning, you presumably feel that when people like Big Bob offend you
> by
> > > "whining" about Mr. ignoramus, then it's THEIR problem, not yours. SO
> what
> > > are YOU complaining about?
> > >
> > > tsk tsk, you silly-billy.
> > >
> > >
> > > "z0ck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:OpZC6.1313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > [posted and mailed]
> > > >
> > > > Next time, just kill-file the guy and don't complain about it.  I
> don't
> > > want
> > > > to hear it.  Raising your kids is your problem.
> > > >
> > > > I swear WAY too much.  Its a personality flaw that I try very hard to
> > > > correct.  You will notice that I don't post profanity.  However,
> > whenever
> > > > someone else does, don't you think that's THEIR problem?
> > > >
> > > > I don't have kids because I don't want to deal with that stuff.  I
> > > certainly
> > > > don't want to hear you whine about how hard it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Big Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Am I tacky would be have been a better question (Hint: answer begins
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > 'Y').  That's 2 fresh new entries to the blocked senders list,
> > possibly
> > > > more
> > > > > to come.  Nothing like telling your kids they should use polite
> > > language,
> > > > > then clicking on a newsgroup....digital photography no less...and
> > > finding
> > > > > people with so little regard for others that they can't even ask a
> > three
> > > > > word question without displaying their tackiness in the subject
> line.
> > > And
> > > > > then of course the 'guilt by association' of replying with subject
> > line
> > > > > intact.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kindly restrict your cross posting to newsgroups that appreciate
> your
> > > > > tackiness...photographers in general tend to have a bit more class
> > than
> > > > > that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Big  Bob
> > > > > "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > On 17 Apr 2001 12:31:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > (Igor3489) wrote:
> > > > > > If it has TWAIN drivers it should scan the image straight into a
> > > > > > program like Compupic or Photoshop...
> > > > > > Try a demo version and see if they solve the prob
> > > > > > >I bought an HP Photosmart C500 digital camera. I have Linux and
> > > > Win2000.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Guess what, the stupid camera does not work with Win2000 because
> HP
> > > did
> > > > > > >not write a driver for it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >


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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:38:24 -0700

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "Jean-David Beyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > I thought that a few years ago, the U.S.Navy tried a computer
> > controlled battleship, and the computers ran Windows NT (probably 3.51
> > in those days), and it crashed so bad the ship had to be towed into
> > port. (I may not have the facts exactly correct, but it was pretty
> > much like this.) Maybe the computers were not exactly your
> > bargain-basement PCs, but the software must have been. If the U.S.Navy
> > is dumb enough to use Microsoftware in a battle-critical system, why
> > would not some private industry be just as dumb?
> 
> Why let the facts get in the way of a good dis, right?  Your lack of
> knowledge on the issue doesn't seem to prevent you from jumping to
> conclusions.
> 
> The facts in the matter are a) that it wasn't a battleship, and b) that they
> were running a beta version of the control software which did not validate
> entry fields.  As such, when an operator entered a 0 into a field, it was
> stored in the database, causing all subsystems that depended on that
> information to fail with a divide by zero exception.
> 
> The application could not be restarted because every time they restarted it,
> it would re-read the data values and crash again, thus the ship was dead in
> the water.  Further, the ship wasn't towed in, the ship had alternate
> propulsion mechanisms onboard because it was an experimental project running
> beta software.
> 
> The Navy and the canadian company that wrote the software stated that the
> problem was not related to NT in any way.  In fact, the canadian contractor
> laid the blame on the Navy for not installing their validated version before
> the incident, which would have prevented the problem from ever occuring.
> 
> The navy, however, believed that they should shake out the vessel and see
> where the potential failures might be so that in real emergency situations,
> they would know how to respond.

For all concerned here on this topic: If you know don't talk... If you
are a contractor for the Navy or U.S. Gov. you have some form of
clearance...  don't talk.
You could lose your clearance status and hence your job(s).  Heads up
fellows.

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From: "Tom Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:40:25 -0500

I think you might have done the world a favor . . .



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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:41:14 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <9b58mv$du2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Today Linux or FreeBSD make a far better desktop environment than
:> NT/2000, now that the critical applications every business needs
:> (including office suites and Java/JavaScript capable browsers for
:> corporate Intranet applications).

: I wish that were true. Unfortunately unless you move the whole company over to
: open protocols and interfaces everyone needs to run Windows anyway. At work
: my Windows desktop is mostly an X terminal that happens to run Lotus Notes
: and our timecard software locally, for example.

Then move the whole company over to open protocols and interfaces!  :)

There is usually no need to do so all at once.

A wonderful free tool called VNC can help the migration process
tremendously by allowing Linux boxes to run Windows apps running on
other boxes and vice versa.  You can get this at:

      http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

The migration does of course have to be planned carefully, and will
usually take some time.  The first steps - switching from M$-specific
to cross-platform software such as Star Office, Netscape, and
Intranet-based applications (instead of proprietary VB apps) - can
occur slowly and gradually while the desktops are still running
Windows.  Then, as groups of users become less and less dependent on
M$-only software, you can move some of them over to Linux boxes
running a mixture of local and server-side applications, keeping some
Windows boxes available to be shared, through VNC, by those who still
have an occasional need for the M$-only apps.


Joe

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From: "Tom Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I ****? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:43:29 -0500

I'm not a bit surprised by what is heard in the places someone with no class
would choose to frequent . . .



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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:43:47 -0400

Brian Langenberger wrote:
> 
> After some deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Linux
> (and Unices in general) are built by the lazy, for the lazy.
> As proof of this, let's look through the whole gamut of
> UI tools.
> 
> First of all, notice that the most commonly-used shell commands
> are two letters long (cd, ls, mv, cp, and so forth).  Why not
> "list", or "move", or "copy"?  Because that's too many letters
> to type, and so laziness prevails.
> 
> Then there's the standard directory structure.  These are
> typically three letters (/usr, /tmp, /bin, /etc.).  Why?
> Because typing in long directory names is tedious.
> Laziness wins again.
> 
> Notice that all the modern command shells support tab-completion?
> Yep, another point for laziness.  Nobody wants to type in the
> whole name "foobar" when nothing else has the same name
> beyond "foo".
> 
> Moving on a bit more, we come to X11.  Here's a tool absolutely
> dedicated to servicing the lazy.  Don't want to get up and
> walk down the hall to the server?  Easy, just pop open a
> half dozen X clients from it and pretend you're sitting right
> in front of it.
> 
> I'm sure many of you can think of more, but I think the point
> is clear:  if you want to add a really successful feature
> to the Unix UI, make it a feature that facilitates laziness -
> because I'm really enjoying not having to do so much work... :)

Why do you think I refuse to work on ANYTHING that isn't Unix.


Also, you have just, obliquely, pointed to why the BEST systems
administrators are lazy people at heart.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:44:32 -0400

Brian Langenberger wrote:
> 
> Paul Hughett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> <snip!>
> 
> : You forget to consider all the effort that went into developing those
> : tools.  The better formulation--which is already well known--is that
> : Unix was built by people who would rather spend 8 hours building a
> : interesting tool than 2 hours doing a boring task without the tool.
> 
> Or, perhaps more precisely, 8 hours building an interesting tool to
> do a task in 10 seconds rather than actually performing the 1 hour
> task by hand.  After said task is performed enough times, the
> benefits for laziness are immense :)

Which is why the best administrators are thoroughly lazy people like me.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux = CHOICE!
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:49:11 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, George Davenport
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:53:26 -0700
<uGqC6.75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote 
>>
>> George Davenport  wrote
>> >Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
>> >> True, and isn't it great when a distro makes a really fucking
>> >> awful distro you have the opportunity to goto another vendor,
>> >> and you can keep changing until you find one that suites your 
>> >> needs.
>> >
>> >linux slut
>> 
>> http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> (Not for anyone under 18 or lacking a sense of humor.)
>
>Ha!  
>
>I have a linux-using academic friend who's going to get a 
>surprise pic (the woman in the linux underwear) in his
>e-mailbox.  

Actually, I think *all* the women have linux logos on their
underwear, swimsuits, or even their skin.  (Don't ask me if
they're real or not; you'd have to ask the webpage author. :-) )

>
>
>George
>
>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:51:19 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:33:26 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> "The only reason I have seen so far is because I am standing on the shoulder
> of giants."
>  -- Albert Einstein.

If you are going to quote someone at least get the person right. It
was Newton who said: "If I have seen farther than other men, it is
because I have stood upon the shoulders of giants."

This sounds like a great complement to those that paved the way for
Newton's great work. However, many believe it was a direct snub at
Robert Hooke who was, in my Scottish vernacular, a wee short arse. :-)


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