Linux-Advocacy Digest #711, Volume #32 Thu, 8 Mar 01 20:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: What does IQ measure? ("Uncle Davey")
Re: Linux Joke ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux Joke (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux Joke (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...) (SoneoneElse)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Giuliano Colla)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: The merits of the BSD license. ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax) (Giuliano Colla)
Re: GPL Like patents. (Rob S. Wolfram)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: Mircosoft Tax ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: C# ("Joseph T. Adams")
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From: "Uncle Davey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:33:57 -0000
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Interconnect wrote:
> >
> > > No I believe what Kulkis said. Why else would it take him so LONG to
> > > figure out that his .sig is unwanted, and that everyone has him on
> > > killfile as a result. It's his minuscule IQ.
> > >
> > > Now I just have to wait for Kulkis to respond with a lie on how large
> > > his IQ is (note to Aaron: it only tests effectively up to 130 or so,
so
> > > don't make it a impossible #, like 25 billion).
> >
> > Well I believe Aron does have a high IQ and IMO ego.
> >
> > However I would like to make a point that IQ is only one small measure
of an
> > individuals worth. If IQ was the sole determinate of individual
> > effectiveness for ALL tasks and situations then we would choose our
> > partners, hair dressers, mechanics, politicians etc.. based exclusively
on
> > IQ. There would be no job interview, you would just sit an IQ test and
that
> > would be the end of the selection process. We would only read books by
> > Authors with the highest IQ. We would only consume entertainment
produced
> > by Artists with the highest IQ etc..
> >
> > Also individual brillance is insignificant compared to collective
effort.
> > Consider the SETI project. (NB: not the merit of it's objectives) but
HOW
> > it is going about achieving it's objectives. The collective utilization
of
> > powerful and less powerful computers is contributing to a result that
would
> > not be possible even with the most powerful *individual* super computer.
> > The KEY to this effort is the ability to communicate, and a common
desire /
> > goal by participants contributing to the project.
> >
> > The corallaroy being that individual brillance is at best mediocore, if
that
> > person can't interact with their peers to leverage their combined
knowledge
> > and produce by a factor of exponent significantly more than acting
alone.
>
> Which is precisely why I work in systems engineering.
>
> My efforts leverage up the work of hundreds or even thousands of people
> within a company....including the management at the top.
>
> Thus, I get paid utterly ridiculous amounts of money for basically
> hanging around and playing (yes, PLAYING) with their equipment....
> oh, that, and drafting wish-lists of MORE toys for them to buy
> for me to play with.
>
>
>
> >
> > Aron Kulkis "YOU are the weakest link good-bye"
>
> See above.
Do they show the weakest link in America? Is it with Anne Robinson or do you
have your own version of it?
Uncle Davey
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:21:03 GMT
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:50:03 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>
> >I don't think I've ever complained about root-exploits with SSH.
> >What are you talking about?
>
> Well you've spent most of the thred claiming that it's insecure. So if
> there are no root exploits, what are the real-world problems faced by
> someone running ssh ? (I'd argue that there aren't any, not any caused
> by ssh anyway)
I was complaining that people out there are blindly trusting SSH
for secure information transfer and there are several ways in which
that information security could be compromised and the SSH folks
don't seem to care let alone attempt to warn the community of
the problems in the "fundamentally flawed" SSH1 protocol.
The vulnerabilities in SSH would only indirectly cause a root
exploit (transmittal of a telnet-able user and pass, and then
the transmittal of the su and pass strings), as far as I can
tell.
-C
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:36:54 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
> com...
> > Why does the average windows user replace all his software everytime
> > microsoft releases a new major version of their operating systems?
> >
> > Because the old software will run like shit.
>
> Kinda like why everyone is clamoring for Linux 2.4 because 2.2
> runs like shit.
>
> It's all the same. You're not any better than anyone else, really,
> so stop being an arrogant and ignorant prick.
>
> -Chad
From
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/15453.html
quoting an IDC report on server market (last quarter 2000):
The figures also show Linux servers are becoming increasingly popular.
Revenues for this emerging operating environment increased a whopping
178 per cent from the same period last year.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:39:51 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:56:35 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > >>I've always maintained that Linux must have an EZ-HACK feature, judging
> > >by the ease in which "hackers" compromised entire university computer
> > >labs for their DDoS assault on Ebay, Amazon, Microsoft and several
> > >others last summer. It was reported that a large majority of the
> > >machines used in the attack were compromised Linux boxes.
> >
> > Put up or shut up. The box is smith203-1.rutgers.edu.
>
> I never said that I was a hacker or possessed the skills. However,
> it doesn't seem like it's that difficult seeing as how there were
> fields of Linux boxes compromised within a short period of time
> for these attacks.
>
> I could set up a Windows box that you wouldn't be able to hack
> either, but it wouldn't prove anything.
>
> The fact of the matter is, unless you actively pursue updates
> and patches and keep up on your security, your OS is a sitting
> duck.
>
> Linux isn't magically secure just because it's Linux, as you
> would have us to believe.
>
> You make it seem like Windows is inherently unsecure and Linux
> is inherently secure, which is a pile of dog shit.
>
> -C
But it's nonetheless true.
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From: SomeoneElse (SoneoneElse)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:44:22 GMT
Reply-To: Truthteller
On 8 Mar 2001 22:51:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) wrote:
>
>Donal K. Fellows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: I'm not too sure about using water. Though it has an excellent thermal
>: coefficient, it's conductivity (especially when you add the inevitable
>: contaminants) is pretty shocking in the case of a leak. However, not all
>: architectures are as stricken by heat problems as the Intels...
>
>That's why you would want to be careful about building a water jacket for a
>chip. Admittedly, I think the idea is plain nuts as it adds whole new modes of
>unreliability to a computer. It's best left to the overclockers already nuts
>enough to do it.
Actually i think those overclockers actuyal use smething like liquid
nitrogen.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:44:31 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Did you ever look into those API's? Well, I did. I was used to special
> > purpose real-time OS's, but customers wanted nice GUI's, so I considered
> > trying to use Windows environment, and I started looking into Windows
> > not by a casual user point of view, but by a developer's point of view.
> > After that I had no other idea than to find an alternative solution.
> > I've never seen such a mess of inconsistent idiotic things, with no
> > plan, no design philosophy, no logic behind. Lots of different API's to
> > do the same thing, just because the first one takes some parameters from
> > global data (forgetting the multitasking environment), the second one
> > just provides a flag to tell apart two different cases out of 50
> > possibilities, then 48 more to cope with the other possibilities, and so
> > on.
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about here.
I had no doubt about that. But it's your problem, not mine.
[snipped the rest because writer has no idea of what he's answering
about]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:22:43 +0200
"Scott Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >*sigh* In my second response to Mr Mading, I point out that Stallman
> >can and will change the terms of the LGPL and people won't have a lot
> >of choice about the matter because they've released the code with the
> >phrase "LGPL version 1 or later..." because they assume that the FSF
> >will keep the spirit in mind.
> >
> >If it doesn't, then people will probably abandon the FSF, but the
> >possibility is there, and it will affect the licensing of the existing
> >code significantly.
> >
> >-f
> >--
> >austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
> >Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
> >-----------------* I speak for myself alone
> >
>
> This is twice in this thread so far that I've seen this erroneous
> assumption, so I'll quote from the GPL version 2, paragraph nine:
>
> "Each version is given a distinguishing version number. If the
> Program specifies a version number of this License which applies to it
> and "any later version", you have the option of following the terms
> and conditions either of that version or of any later version
> published by the Free Software Foundation. If the Program does not
> specify a version number of this license, you may choose any version
> ever published by the Free Software Foundation"
>
> So you see, just because a later version might not follow the same
> intent as the version referred to in a program's documentation, that
> doesn't mean that you are bound to the whims of whatever the new
> version of the GPL specifies. You can always at least fall back to
> the version that the original program specifies, or pick the version
> of your choice to adhere to if the original program did not specify a
> version number.
> I know that I quoted from the GPL, not the LGPL, but I don't
> have a copy of the LGPL right in front of me. I suspect it's the
> same, though. Anyone care to post the appropriate portion of the LGPL
> so we can put this fallacy to rest for *both* the GPL and the LGPL?
http://www.opensource.org/licenses
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:45:25 GMT
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:05:46 -0800, Brock Hannibal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >It may be an advantage in many situations but if I can get further in a
>> >problem than someone who thinks more quickly, who is the most intelligent?
>>
>> Or, if the more one thinks about something, the clearer it becomes, rather
>> than muddying up pretty accurate instantaneous responses.
>
>Huh? (tm)
>
>--
>Brock
I know what he's talking about--in the Navy, we call it "Nuking
Something Out", named for those in the Naval Nuclear Power field that
are prone to such behavior, or simply "Trick-Fucking Yourself". It
happens when you throw away a perfectly good first impression, hunch,
or educated guess in favor of deep introspection, consideration of
multiple possiblities, and leading to an invariable f**king-up of the
answer. An example would be a person who, when asked how far a fired
projectile will travel, decides to be slick and try to account for the
curvature of the earth and the air resistance in his answer. Well, an
hour or so down the road, he's used a sine function where he meant to
use cosine, or dropped a unit in the air density, and his answer is
off by several orders of magnitude. Was he intelligent in realizing
that the curvature of the earth and air density would play a factor in
his answer? Absolutely. But he got himself in over his head with the
calculations and ended up with an answer that was poorer than if he
had just used the one-line algebraic solution in the first place.
Scott Gardner
LT US Navy
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 9 Mar 2001 00:40:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Interconnect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: We would only read books by
: Authors with the highest IQ. We would only consume entertainment produced
: by Artists with the highest IQ etc..
Not necessarily. Stupidity in and of itself can be highly
entertaining to watch. Ever seen Plan 9 From Outer Space?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:50:28 GMT
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:18:10 +1300, . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > It may be an advantage in many situations but if I can get further in a
>> > problem than someone who thinks more quickly, who is the most intelligent?
>> >
>>
>> The person who solves the problem first.
>
>I'd claim the person who solved it best.
Very true. Given a pile of bricks and a ball stuck in a ceiling
rafter, one person might instantly come to the conclusion that he can
stack the bricks into a ladder and reach the ball, while the other
person might think on it for a minute, and simply dislodge the ball
with a thrown brick.
After all, if the first or most intuitive solution were the best, we'd
still be using bubble-sort in our programs!
Scott Gardner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The merits of the BSD license.
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:50:00 +1300
Mind you, If you look on the Solaris CDROM it has, "Portions may be derived
from Berkley BSD Systems., licensed from U. of CA", it is quite suprising
how SUN acknowledges the use of BSD code in its OS, however, Microsoft
doesn't, it clearly says something about Microsoft and its ethics.
Matthew Gardiner
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BLQp6.18$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > There has been some discussion about the GPL lately, I'd like to bring
> > > up a little discussion about the BSDL.
> > >
> > > The BSD license is a permissive license that basically allows you to
do
> > > whatever you want with the software. This is the guts of it:
> >
> > [snip good post]
> >
> > Actually, you don't need to give credit to anyone in the new BSD
> > license.
>
> You don't have to give credit in advertising or binaries, you still have
to
> give credit in source code.
>
>
>
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows API (Was Re: Mircosoft Tax)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:59:22 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> least DOS used to come with QBasic (not the world's best development
> >> tool, but good enough for making start-up menus and the like). With
> >> Win95 it
> > was
> >> an option hidden away on the CD, and with newer Windows it is missing
> >> entirely.
> >
> > Hmmm....
> >
> > e:\>ver Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] e:\>which qbasic
> > C:\WINNT\system32\qbasic.exe e:\>
> >
> > It's still buried on the CD.
>
> It's not winh > Win95.
>
> > But, still, I'm not sure I'd ever have considered QBasic to be a
> > development system.
>
> No, but you can do a lot more with it than without it.
>
>
> > On your other points, since Perl, Python, Tcl, Tk, and various other
> > scripting languages are all readily available for Windows, it seems to
> > me that by judging the system only by what is included with a
> > distribution disk, you're just trying to exclude Windows. Sure, this is
> > an advocacy group, but you'd serve the purpose better by making the case
> > that Linux is superior because of something other than the distribution
> > disk.
>
> It depends what your judging. Out of the box, windows comes with much
> less functionality, although it can be added. One common thing on this
> group is the winvocates claiming Windows works much better out of the
> box.
>
> But there are many criteria to judge something by.
According my criterium Windows works much better when left within the
box. It's when you take it out of the box that the problems start :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Subject: Re: GPL Like patents.
Date: 9 Mar 2001 00:59:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
>> Bottomline is, he who writes the code gets to choose the license, and if
>> the author chooses the GPL, he wants his code to be used accordingly. He
>> who does not agree is free not to use it just like you are unable to use
>> the code of proprietary software.
>
>You miss an important thing: the GPL advocates don't want people to know
>the true meanings of the GPL upfront. If they did, they would include
>clarifications (for instance, that static and dynamic linking are tainting)
>as addendums to the lengthy section 0.
>
>They don't.
>
>You only learn those things when you dig in mailing lists, and position
>papers, and such.
>
I consider myself a GPL advocate, and I digress. An author should know
the true legal implications of *whichever* license he chooses, including
both the GPL and the BSDL.
As a pedant point, someone could take a piece of BSD licensed software,
package it as his own with or without first enhancing it and giving
everyone free use of "his" package but denies any usage to the original
developer(s). Yes, it it highly unlikely and highly immoral, but not
impossible. That too, should be known up front by any developer who
chooses the BSD license for her code.
IANAL, but upon reading section 0 I get the clear impression that both
static and dynamic linking do taint. Upon describing a "derivative work"
there is no timeframe specified when the "derivative work" should
contain (a portion of) the Program, so you should consider the worst
possible case, i.e. in any moment, even only during runtime.
I don't need addendums or mailing lists to come to that conclusion. This
distinction is not as clear IMHO when you consider a program that runs
on distributed systems and interfaces via some protocol (e.g. CORBA
objects). I would tend to consider such parts as distinct code, not part
of each other. Some clarification about this part is very due IMHO.
>The author gets to choose the license? Sure. He should also know what he is
>choosing. I know I regret licensing a lot of things under the GPL because I
>believed the propaganda.
Mabbe I have no right of talking because I never released any piece of
code. You, OTOH, have released quite some, and I for one am very
grateful for the wonderful work you've done, even though I don't use KDE
(nor Gnome for that matter). I personally still believe the propaganda,
but only the propaganda that I read in the actual words of the GPL. So
far, I have not seen that propaganda proven wrong.
/me thinks that your reluctance against the GPL partly stems from the
whole KDE-Qt-GPL debacle not too long ago. I think Debian did the right
thing by not including KDE and its applications, but I am very happy
that everything has been resolved by TT. But this whole debacle is a
clear example of why one has to know the full legal proportions of the
license one chooses.
Cheers,
Rob
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
Any sufficiently advanced Operating System is indistinguishable
from Linux.
-- Jim Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 01:02:24 GMT
On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:49:34 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>Part of the definition of intelligence is arriving at the correct
>answer quickly.
>
>If you gave a 13-year old child the following math problem:
>
> X = 20 / 4
>
> What is X?
>
>
What about the (possibly apocryphal) story of the classroom that is
given the assignment to add up all the integers from 1 to 100? All of
the students but one immediately see the method to the solution, and
start adding 1+2+3+4+5..., while one lone student just stares at his
paper in silence. The teacher notices this, and goes over to help the
student along. When she approaches him, he looks up and says "The
answer is 5,050." He figured out that the 100 numbers in question
could be grouped into 50 pairs of numbers (1,100), (2,99), (2,98),
etcetera, and that furthermore, each of those pairs of numbers summed
to 101. The product of 50 times 101 is a pretty easy calculation, and
results in the correct answer of 5,050. Additionally, he could do the
same thing with an arbitrarily long string of sequential integers, so
even if his exercise had taken longer than the other students, (which
it probably didn't), it could be argued that his was the more
"intelligent" approach, even if he didn't figure out this method as
quickly as the other students figured out the "brute force" method.
Scott Gardner
LT US NAvy
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:48:08 +0200
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:57:26 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > And just what has WMP got to do with an OS? Since when has an
*operating
> > > system* needed a media player/generator?
> >
> > > Since when was Direct* part of an operating system?
> >
> > Both are installed with windows, and are part of the size of the
> > installation files.
>
> Doesn't make them part of the OS, they're optional extras and shouldn't
> count towards the installation file size. Should you include all the apps
> on a SuSE distro? You have to draw the line somewhere.
They are on the cabs files that are located in the setup folder.
If you want to make this kind of argument, then you'll have to start
comparing kernel sizes.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:56:54 +0200
"JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LsVp6.265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "David Masterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > The BSD code is certainly still free :-). Microsoft cant take that
> > > away. Alas, the GPL crowd is also against free code (yet uses the
> > > term incorrectly.)
> >
> > I was with you up until the last sentence. How are you using the term
> > "free" here (in the sense of cost or freedom)? And if they are using
> > the term incorrectly, in which sense do you perceive them as using it?
> >
> By advocating the non-fact that 'GPL' is a free license, it competes
against
> much more free licenses. There are numerous cases of the GPL 'souring'
> corporate legal divisions against free code, by the 'GPL-being-free'
groups
> exploitation by misuse of the term.
>
> Non-facts as espoused by GPL-being-free crowd:
> Untruth1) Free software causes chaos.
Did MS bought FSF when I didn't look?
> Untruth2) GPL software is free software.
1+2, GPL causes chaos.
> In the sense of free software,
> the library GPL is a freer and superior license to the GPL.
Agreed, we should keep the GPL license to file formats & protocols, not to
code itself. (Yes, I know that GPL is only for code, so change it.)
If you had to reveal your file formats & protocols, a lot of problems would
go away.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C#
Date: 9 Mar 2001 01:09:17 GMT
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I've looked into ms's C#... looks like the spitting image of java to me!
: Looks like trouble on the horizon. I wonder if Sun will sue them again??
For C# to have any impact on Java it would have to (a) exist, (b)
work, (c) offer some advantage, (d) run on multiple platforms, and (e)
be available from more than one vendor.
Joe
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