Linux-Advocacy Digest #736, Volume #32 Sat, 10 Mar 01 01:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: I am looking for a newsreader (Brent R)
Re: Windows 2000 uptime increased dramatically! ("fur")
Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows?? (Brent R)
"frankly, his customers wanted it": New Digital TV+Internet ("Adam Warner")
Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...) (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Scott Gardner)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (J Sloan)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (J Sloan)
Re: Linus Torsvald's machine specification (J Sloan)
Re: What does IQ measure? (J Sloan)
Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your computer")
(Bloody Viking)
Re: Linux Joke (J Sloan)
Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...) (Bloody Viking)
Re: SSH again [ was Linux Joke ] (Shane Phelps)
Re: Linus Torsvald's machine specification (Ray Chason)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux Joke (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Norman D. Megill)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time ("Arthur H. Gold")
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am looking for a newsreader
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:57:46 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brad Sims"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Knode is ok but I want something like Xnews, that I can run on my linux
> > partition (SuSE 7.0, KDE 2.1). I have tried krn and did not like it
> > either.
>
>
> Tyr pan (like me :-)
>
> It's still beat, but as long as you're careful, it's OK.
>
> If you have a large number of threads in a group, let it finish loaing
> and threading before you tell it to do something else.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | Edward Rosten
> | u98ejr@
> This argument is a beta version. | ecs.ox
> | .ac.uk
Will pan still be supported now that it's company (I forget the name)
was bought by Napster?
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "fur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 uptime increased dramatically!
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:03:49 GMT
i havent rebooted my linux servers (web, ftp, nfs, and an order entry
system) for a couple months...... if i had to reboot every couple of days i
would be fired from my job....
"Masha Ku'Inanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:987p3b$d92$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hey! The uptime from my Win2k box jumped from the last posted total of
three
> hours, to approximately a day and a half!
>
> And just think, I was not trying to do too many things at once with a
> K6-2/500, 256MB RAM machine, and Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
> Operating System, this time. No Outlook Express/ICQ/IE5.0/Musicmatch
> Jukebox/Winamp clogging the scarce amount of RAM on the ol' machine, this
> time.
>
> Certainly, perhaps last time I was asking far too much of a pre-emptive
> multitasking operating system with advanced memory protection, and
complete
> process control worth several hundred dollars, you think? Perhaps I needed
> 512MB of RAM to perform that kind of heavy workload.
>
> This time around, having learned my harsh lesson, I did not ask so much of
> the computer. All I was doing was copying some of my music CD's with Nero
> 5.0, and lo and behold, at some point, by the third CD, the system
reported
> that Nero was not responding. So I click the pretty little button to "End
> Task". But, no, I could not, because the next dialog box mentioned that
"If
> the process is being debugged.." or something similar to "please wait..."
>
> CTRL-ALT-DELETE back to the taskbar. Find the nero.exe process to kill it.
> Click the shiny "Kill Process" button.
>
> The response was typical. "Schmuck! Now you KNOW you cannot do THAT, now
do
> you?.."
>
> So, I decide to eject the offending CD. It had to be something on the CD,
I
> figured. Dust. Dirt. Microscopic pits in the surface. Something MUST be
> keeping the ol' system from willingly killing "nero.exe" right?
>
> There is a shiny "eject button" on the CD-ROM drive. So, I press the
button.
>
> No cd.
>
> I press again.
>
> No cd.
>
> Grr...
>
> I looked for any process that could possibly be tying up the CDROM drive.
>
> 0% CPU time across the board, except for about 85% CPU time, all of a
> sudden, for "nero.exe" -- which is quite an improvement from 95% CPU time
> from a week or so ago.
>
> Still, nothing could be done to release "nero.exe" nor free the captive
> CDROM.
>
> Reboot. At least I could do that.
>
> POST options roll by, and the K6-2 is reported at 527mhz, and locks.
>
> 527????
>
> Reset button again.
>
> Boots fine.
>
> Back to the ol' desktop.
>
>
> -----------After-Action-Review------------
> So, I figure that since I did a lot less than what I attempted to
accomplish
> last time, my uptime improved, possibly demonstrated by a proportional
> decrease in an offending application's process-hogging.
>
> So -- I multitask LESS, and my uptime improves.
>
> Good lord! I can increase my uptime even further, if I boot to the
desktop,
> and leave it alone for a week. I can be at least reasonably assured, by my
> system's past performance, that if I do not touch my computer for a week,
I
> can have an uptime increase to about 5 days, considering a screen-saver
will
> be running.
>
> Were I to avoid it all together, and turn off everything, including the
> anti-virus protection AND screen saver, I can increase my uptime to about
a
> month, reliably, assuming, of course I do not sneeze in the same room as
my
> system..
>
> Hell, this is all a vast improvement over Win98's average of 4-6 reboots
per
> day, just trying to dial-out and connect to Mindspring!...
>
> I cannot wait for Windows XP.
>
> Oh man. oh man. oh man. I simply cannot wait......
>
> The part that I find grotesquely hilarious about this last incident was
that
> the music CD I was copying was Metallica's "Ride The Lightning" album...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Adrian Feliciano
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ***
> Do What thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
> Love is the law, love under will
> -Aleister Crowley
>
> Harm None
> -Wiccan Law
>
> As above, so below
> -Hermetic Philosophy
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows??
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:06:51 GMT
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
<snip>
> Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
They say eXPerience, I say eXtremely Painful.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: "frankly, his customers wanted it": New Digital TV+Internet
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:07:41 +1300
So says Rey Roque, Vice President in charge of development for the Ch.1
Internet appliance.
Sure it's important that Linux has a per-unit cost that is less than some
other operating systems, it has strong support for Internet access
functions, and multimedia plug-ins are readily available.
But I really liked the part where Rey Roque said that frankly his
customers wanted Linux.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2694183,00.html
Regards,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:09:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Hayes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:59:49 +0000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:05:35 +0000, "Donal K. Fellows"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Bloody Viking wrote:
>> > It's going to be awful hard to keep a chip cool at a heat flux
>> > of 100W/sq.in. We will never reach the 10KW chip, not by a long
>> > shot. It's already getting hard to aircool chips now, and the next
>> > logical step is liquid cooling with the water jacket integrated
>> > with the chip package, a water pump, the antifreeze, and a heat
>> > exchanger like a hotrod's oil cooler with fans.
>>
>> I'm not too sure about using water. Though it has an excellent thermal
>> coefficient, it's conductivity (especially when you add the inevitable
>> contaminants) is pretty shocking in the case of a leak. However, not all
>> architectures are as stricken by heat problems as the Intels...
>
>High power RF transmitters using vacuum tubes employed distilled ionised
>water as coolant. The water was in electrical as well as thermal contact
>with the anodes which could be at 20,000 to 50,000 volts for some megawatt
>short wave transmitters. No problems with conductivity. Frequently the
>water was pumped round the transmitter buildings as central heating in
>winter.
Dumb question maybe, but ... how do they prevent the water from
picking up ions, like, say, from rusting pipes? (I suspect they
don't use iron piping, though -- but copper could do the same thing, and
maybe PVCs would put CO2 (actually carbonic acid) ions in there as well.)
Do they filter it on the trip back?
>
>Peter
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 33d:18h:40m actually running Linux.
No electrons were harmed during this message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:09:24 GMT
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:25:33 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Read his post. He was implying just the opposite. That even
>> though he took *longer* to figure out what to do, his was a
>
>No, he did NOT take longer to figure it out.
>At this point, I can only say that you have TOTALLY
>misunderstood the story of Gauss.
Jeez, I thought I told the Gauss story pretty well. If you go back to
my original post, I acknowledged that Gauss' solution probably didn't
take as long as his classmates' solution, but I also said that even if
it HAD taken him longer, his would have still been the more
intelligent, elegant solution, thus trying to refute statements from
earlier posts that "solved is solved", or that the first solution is
necessarily the best.
Scott Gardner
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:28:33 GMT
Scott Gardner wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:22:41 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Just a thought - it would have been very easy to buy 100%
> >linux compatible hardware, so you have to take some of the
> >blame if Linux isn't liking some of your hardware.
> >
>
> I've said several times that I can't blame LInux for my hardware
> choices, (especially for my Winmodem), but since I wasn't considering
> Linux when I built my computer, I now have a barrier to running Linux
> exclusively. Is it Linux's fault? No, but a lot of people are going
> to be in my same situation if the try to install Linux on a machine
> that they originally bought to run Windows. If people can't make a
> switch from Windows to Linux without losing a large part of the
> functionality of their hardware (as I did), then they are going to be
> justifiable frustrated in their efforts, and come away with the
> impression that Linux isn't quite "ready for prime time"
They might if they are not savvy, but then again, these same
people will regularly upgrade all their hardware to be able to
run the latest from microsoft, so it can't be that big a hurdle.
They can then make their future hardware purchases with an
eye towards Linux compatibility.
But ideally, it will take increased Linux market presence in order
to motivate manufacturers not to peddle windows specific wares.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:31:22 GMT
Austin Ziegler wrote:
> Sorry, but Netscape gets that honour first -- and the stuff that I've
> been reading says that IE is still more compatible than Netscape -- but
> not necessarily Mozilla.
More compatible with what?
In any case, what good is ie to someone who doesn't
use ms windows?
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linus Torsvald's machine specification
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:32:27 GMT
> "Woof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I read an interesting article recently where Linus was quoted as saying
> > he develops Linux on a 386 running Windows 3.1
> > "I like the slow speed, it gives me chance to think" he says
Cute, except
1. Linus doesn't use windows.
2. Last I heard he had some pretty sweet hardware.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:45:26 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
> now you know why i usually don't read your messages
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> p.s. windows is a pretty cool operating system
Gee thanks for sharing - but you forget that most people
reading this posting have already seen and used windows...
Whoops...
Didn't think of that, eh?
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Customising Wrap-Up Screen. (WAS: "It is now safe to shut off your computer")
Date: 10 Mar 2001 04:49:08 GMT
I just got done customising the Windows 95 wrap-up screen, the "it's now safe
to turn off your computer" screen. It now says:
It's now safe to type "mode co80 and light off UNIX, the OS Bill Gates hates!
GNU's Not UNIX!!!
Thanks! That was after a few hours of quality coding time working on a pet
snail billpay proggie in C on Linux. For what it's worth, Linux IS UNIX in my
book, it's a GNU freeware UNIX.
Ah, the pleasure of having the OS of Big Iron on a PC. UNIX is the OS of Big
Iron computing, and while we may enjoy it on our boxes, it will always be THE
OS of Big Iron. How could anyone pass up the chance to play with an OS like
Linux, a PC freeware UNIX? Maybe some of us are hackers (in the good sense of
the word) after all. (:
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:58:38 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:42:28 GMT, J Sloan wrote:
>
> >Well that was silly - you should have checked out the facts
> >about gcc-2.96 before swallowing the anti-redhat propoganda!
>
> Can't reach the server. (maybe their httpd was compiled with that alpha
> compiler !!!) And I still stand by my comment.
Well, again you are being quite silly.
But I just checked the page and it's just fine.
Perhaps there are issues with your ISP?
> It seems that the purpose of Redhat's major releases is to sabotage
> compatibility with the previous release.
Well, that's an interesting point of view.
> gcc 2.96 is not only incompatible with 2.95.2 (int terms of the name
> mangling scheme), it's also incompatible with 3.0.
So what's new?
gcc 2.7.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.8.x.
gcc 2.8.x C++ is not binary compatible with egcs 1.0.x.
egcs 1.0.x C++ is not binary compatible with egcs 1.1.x.
egcs 1.1.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.95.
gcc 2.95 C++ will not be binary compatible with gcc 3.0.
...
However, 2.96 is almost fully ISO C99 and ISO C++ 98
compliant, unlike any previous version of gcc.
> The ABI is in a
> transitional state. Redhat appear to be going out of their way to
> be incompatible with the rest of the world, and this time they have
> blown up my silly-ometer. Linus himself described RH 7.0 as "unusable"
> as a development platform, and both him and the gcc developers have
> been shaking their heads at the sheer stupidity of the move.
Yes, some have indeed blown the whole thing all out of
proportion. I don't use any Red Hat 7 boxes as C++
development platforms, I mainly use them as servers
and technical workstations (and gaming boxes) so I have
not seen the "problem".
Once everybody gets on gcc 3.0, it all comes together.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computing Power to Peak SOON! (WAS: Moore's Law, continued...)
Date: 10 Mar 2001 05:06:56 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Dumb question maybe, but ... how do they prevent the water from
: picking up ions, like, say, from rusting pipes? (I suspect they
: don't use iron piping, though -- but copper could do the same thing, and
: maybe PVCs would put CO2 (actually carbonic acid) ions in there as well.)
: Do they filter it on the trip back?
Actually, that's a good question. It will get in a case of a high-priority
system like a broadcast transmitter, like a powerplant. A powerplant will take
the condensate water and send it into a deminerialiser to further clean it up
after the boilers.
For a good high power watercool system like a large broadcast transmitter on
the anode, you will want distilled demineralised water in the system. For an
overclock PC, you will want quality water but can't get it, much like how you
can't for a car cooling system but rely on coolant chemistry.
If I was to attempt overclocking on a watercool CPU, I would likely go to
alcohol cool and ensure it was demineralised. Alcohol cool has the advantage
of cold temps. But cold temps have the problem of defrosting the computer
after a batch run. No good. Alcohol would have the advantage of a cleaner
footprint come a leak/spill. The spill problem is mostly why I would use
Everclear booze in a liquid cool system. My computer wouldn't be "aquatic".
Instead it would be "alcoholic"! I'm about as aquatic as a chimpanzee, so why
should I own a computer more "aquatic"?
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SSH again [ was Linux Joke ]
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:23:44 +1100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 00:21:03 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > >I was complaining that people out there are blindly trusting SSH
> > >for secure information transfer and there are several ways in which
> > >that information security could be compromised
> >
> > We've already been through this. It's very unlikely to happen. People
> > who care enough about security that they're unwilling to take any risks
> > at all do not "blindly trust" anything.
>
> The fact remains that there are thousands of installed Linux and
> BSD systems which have an older version of SSH installed on them.
and Macintosh and Windows 9x and NT and W2K.
... and there hasn't been a single docmented breaking due to a problem
with any implementation of SSH1. The "fundamental flaw" is that it
doen't use a CA, so there is a small risk of a MitM attack on the
initial key exchange (which the client warns about in no uncertain terms)
For the truly paranoid, the keys can be exchanged by another method
(eg floppy in the snail-mail)
> There hasn't been a concerted effort to educate them to the faults
> of the "flawed" SSH1 protocol they're still using. The worst I've
...that's because every ssh1 implementation I've seen (most of them!)
warns loudly enough of the possibility of MitM attacks when the first
key exchange is done. The warning you get when a host changes keys
is even more explicit and scary!!!
> seen so far is a posting to the SSH developer's group complaining
> about the same thing I've been saying. No one seems to care.
>
> >
> > > and the SSH folks
> > >don't seem to care
> >
> > Yes they do. They take bugs very seriously. The OpenBSD developers are one
> > of the few groups who proactively stomp out potential security holes (AKA
> > bugs)
>
> They fix the bugs, yes, I never said they didn't, but they're not
> letting people know that there are serious issues with the SSH1 protocol
> and that people should upgrade their older SSH software to the newer
> versions ASAP.
>
Like Microsoft notifies registered users of security problems in NT?
http://www.sans.org/newlook/alerts/NTE-bank.htm
I am a registered user of both NT 4 and W2K and I have *NEVER* received
a security advisory from MS!!!!!!
(BTW, I consider it to be *my* responsibility to keep up-to-date; it
would seem there are a number of sysadmins who need to be spoon-fed)
> >
> > > let alone attempt to warn the community of
> > >the problems in the "fundamentally flawed" SSH1 protocol.
> >
> > It is considerably less "fundamentally flawed" than the vast
> > majority of services. Perhaps if there were large amounts of users
> > running nothing besides ssh, it would be an issue. However, on a
> > "typical UNIX machine" that is running NFS, NIS, telnet, ftp, httpd,
> > sendmail, and lpd, ssh is the least of your concerns (even if it's the
> > "fundamentally flawed" version)
> >
> > BTW, OpenSSH supports ssh2.
>
> But it also _STILL_ supports SSH1, even though it's known to have
> serious and compromising flaws.
The "serious and compromising flaws" consist of a couple of bugs which may,
under laboratory conditions, allow a session to be compromised on a high-speed
LAN and the aforementioned "fundamental flaw" of using public/private key
exchange instead of relying on a CA. The "fundamental flaw" only affects
the client, not the server.
Please note that most of these instances of sshd will have been compiled
--with-libwrap and only allow access from known hosts. The paranoid will
also be sitting behind a firewall.
Of the "thousands of installed Linux and BSD systems which have an older
version of SSH installed on them", how many are likely to provide open
SSH access across the internet? And how many of those also provide open
telnet/ftp/SMB access?
> -Chad
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linus Torsvald's machine specification
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:27:13 -0000
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>2. Last I heard he [Linus] had some pretty sweet hardware.
Only his wife knows for sure.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 10 Mar 2001 05:28:24 GMT
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:44:07 GMT, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>Said Donovan Rebbechi in alt.destroy.microsoft on 6 Mar 2001 10:49:23
>>On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:17:39 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>>
>And you wonder why people accuse you of being a Microsoft hack with
>barely a pretense of sheepskin to hide your trolling. Here's why. I
>noticed it in the previous five posts of yours I read as well, Donovan,
>but a managed to talk myself out of responding.
My contributions to Linux speak for themselves. (You should be able to
find them in any up to date distribution). How ironic that my accusers
don't contribute anything but insults and poor manners. For all their
whining, their words and deeds are of little consequence and will do
nothing to challenge the "evil Microsoft monopoly" that they whine about.
I on the other hand make an effort to try and make Linux into a usable
platform. The difference between me and my accusers is that my contributions
to Linux have substance, while they on the other hand contribute nothing
but hot air.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Linux Joke
Date: 10 Mar 2001 05:32:38 GMT
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:05:22 -0800, Salvador Peralta wrote:
>Chad Myers quoth:
>
>> But it also _STILL_ supports SSH1, even though it's known to have
>> serious and compromising flaws.
>
>...making linux the only OS in the history of the planet to have
>administrators who don't pay attention to security warnings.
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17456.html
>
>Care to post a link which gives evidence of someone who has been
>financially hurt or had their personal data stolen because they were
>using openssh1?
Don't know what planet he's coming from but the issue you raise above is the
crux of the matter -- the real-world security risks of running an ssh1
server are ridiculously low compared to services that the typical UNIX
(or NT!!!) machine runs (eg file sharing, pop3, telnet, rsh)
Moreover, openssh has work arounds for most of the problems that ssh1 had.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:34:45 GMT
In article <98c190$hc2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said nuxx in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:03:44 +0800;
> > >"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:97miug$8dr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
> > >> As an aside, I don't know why NIC card manufacturers haven't put a
> > >> machanism on the crads to detect an unplugged cable. It shouldn't be
> too
> > >> hard since when plugged in, the cable is plugged in to a matched load,
> so
> > >> no reflections occur. When it is unplugged, the signals should get
> > >> reflected, which should not be too hard to detect.
> > >
> > >Win2k has this built in - disconnect the cable and see what happens.
> Works
> > >well.
> >
> > Let me guess; it pops up one of those "is it modal or isn't it?" dialog
> > boxes, requiring clicking the OK button before you can do anything else
> > (except shift windows around) every one minute when it detects a link
> > loss.
> >
> > Or maybe it just pops it up once, but thereafter there is no way at all
> > to tell the difference between the cable not being connected, the
> > hardware not working, or the driver failing.
> >
> > Or else it says "someone may have unplugged the cable" for any link
> > loss.
> >
> > I would be very surprised if it "works well", quite frankly.
>
> It pop up a floating message saying "cable is unplugged" (which also happens
> if the computer/hub on the other side was disconnected or turned off).
> There is no way you can mistake that for hardware or driver failure.
If the message doesn't tell you *which* side was unplugged, then it is
not making use of reflections from unmatched loads but just telling you
that the signal is dead - the message is probably just based on the same
status bit that lights the little LED (that some cards have) when you
plug in the cable.
I think older coax Ethernet chips had a built-in TDR (Time Domain
Reflectometry) function that could locate a cable discontinuity. I
don't think the more popular RJ45 (10Base-T) chips have this function,
so it may not be possible even in principle for them to tell you if
there are reflections from an unmatched load. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong.
(Speaking of modal dialog boxes, I truly hate it when I'm typing along
and accidentally "answer" a box that pops up unpredictably so that it
instantly vanishes before I can read it. Yesterday, Windows 95
bluescreened on me, and because I was typing when it happened the "Press
Any Key to Continue" was answered.)
--Norm
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:49:21 -0600
From: "Arthur H. Gold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
David Masterson wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The main complaint of the anti-GPL crowd seems to be that they
> > want free software to be a one-way street - they want to be
> > parasites of free software rather than participants in it.
>
> Or maybe they've got bills to pay...
>
Sorry, non-sequitar.
--ag
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