Linux-Advocacy Digest #738, Volume #32 Sat, 10 Mar 01 05:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: I am looking for a newsreader (Witold Wilk)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Marten Kemp)
Microsoft & GM ("Terence Kam")
Re: The Double Fucking ala MS... ("GreyCloud")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (coding isn't programming) (Steve
Mading)
Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (Steve Mading)
Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("GreyCloud")
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("GreyCloud")
Re: What does IQ measure? (Steve Mading)
Re: Microsoft & GM ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: Witold Wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am looking for a newsreader
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:37:58 +0100
Niejaki(a) Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w artykule
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w grupie
comp.os.linux.advocacy twierdzi, ze...
> > Knode is ok but I want something like Xnews, that I can run on
> > my linux partition (SuSE 7.0, KDE 2.1). I have tried krn and did
> > not like it either.
>
> Agent under Wine.
Gravity under Wine :) Or Pan, SLRN... there are many :)
> You can run it if you are in Windows or Linux which can
> be useful if you have to run Windows for some reason.
Well... I'm still lookin' for some HTML editor (not wysiwyg) that has no
problems with iso-8859-2, without any luck :/ And I have to stick to CS
Pajaczek under Winblows :/
--
|_____Witold "ManiacK" Wilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>_______+48607397423__|
|______________WWW: http://www.cedeki.w.prv.pl/ _____________#tychy_|
| TPSA: Zliberalizujemy rynek telekomunikacyjny??? Ludzie! To bedzie|
|_______totalitaryzm!____<Roman 'Faraon' Stopa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>|
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From: Marten Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:21:05 GMT
Scott Gardner wrote:
>
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:59:46 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Define BEST.
> >
> >
> >You see, if the problem is "develop an algorithm to sort data",
> >then all solution are equal. Quick Sort vs Bubble Sort vs Merge
> >Sort vs Heap Sort, etc.
>
> I disagree. Even with no external conditions or qualifications, one
> solution can be obviously better than another. Let's discuss another
> sorting algorithm, one that was described to me as "Bogo-sort". It
> doesn't run as O(N), or even O(N^2), it runs as O(N!). If you wanted
> to sort a deck of cards using Bogosort, you would do the following:
>
> 1) Throw the deck of cards in the air, and then gather them up.
> 2) Run through the deck to see if they're sorted
> 3) If not, repeat steps 1) and 2).
>
> Will this eventually sort the cards? Yes, but even given its
> simplicity, it's a lousy sort. But, it is "an algorithm to sort
> data", so by your definition, it would be equal to bubble-sort, merge
> sort, or any as-yet undeveloped sorting algorithm. I, on the other
> hand, see it for what it is--the crudest, most brute-force solution
> imaginable, and I wouldn't view the person that employed it as being
> as intelligent as someone that developed some other method--ANY other
> method.
>
> Scott
>Even with no external conditions or qualifications, one solution can be obviously
>>better than another. [extracted]
Your Bogo-sort really *is* the crudest brute-force solution. I once
employed a somewhat better but still crude brute-force solution as part
of a C++ class project that involved a sort. I used the best algorithms
I knew for the majority or the project, and as a consequence was invited
to explain them to the class [multiple links through a list of objects
with different sort fields for each link]. I tried to make the point to
my fellow students that I used a crude sort because the dataset was so
small that almost no conceivable increase in sort efficiency would
recover the 'cost' of even one recompile. Therefore the "better"
solution is the one which does the job at the least cost of
implementation. There are *large* companies who make a living writing
sorts. The absolutely best sort algorithm is to call an external sort
package written and maintained by someone else, unless you specialize in
sorts. I've been in the data processing field altogether too long to be
enamored of nifty algorithms where a simpler and more easily maintained
one will do. Note: data processing, *not* computer science.
>
> >
> >However, if the problem is "develop an algorith to sort data
> >EFFICIENTLY" then, and ONLY THEN is one sort better than another sort.
> >
> >It all depends upon what qualifications you put in the problem.
This is correct. See above.
>
> >> Scott Gardner
> >
> >You need to spend less time soaking in the propaganda of various
> >socialists and other closet-dictator egalitarians and more time
> >investigating the discoveries made by the people who actually DO
> >intelligence research.
Whatever does this mean? I rather doubt that the CIA, NSA, et. al.
publish their more interesting discoveries.
> >
> >Start with "The Bell Curve" by Murray and Hernstein.
> >
> >
> Well, I think *that* was kind of out of left field... I have read
> "The Bell Curve", and based on my engineering education and
> experience, I have some serious problems with some of their methods.
> There are plenty of people more experienced and more intelligent than
> I that feel the same way, so I don't think I'm standing alone on this
> one. I hold quite a few beliefs that would be viewed as controversial
> by a lot of mainstream thinkers, so I'm not discounting any part of
> Murray and Hernstein's work just because I'm afraid of the
> implications of "thinking against the grain", either.
I read "The Bell Curve" too. The view that there is such a thing as pure
intellectual horsepower and that it can be measured is one that I have
long held. From observation of my fellow Mensa members intelligence is
*not* an automatic guarantor of real-world success. My psych degree was
too long ago for me to judge the methodology, especially that of
combining the results of several studies for analysis. I came away with
the feeling that there *might* be something there *if* the numbers and
methodology stood up under review. The book of responses (I've lost the
title, sorry) was more illuminating. About half the responses said 'This
racist and therefore can't be correct' without any defense of these
conclusions. About 35% of the responses were that the conclusions were
racist and therefore the data were suspect. The remaining 15% were on
the order of 'The conclusions may be correct if the data and methodology
aren't flawed. There are questions about both; more study is indicated.'
A more scholarly collection of vituperation I haven't yet encountered.
-- Marten Kemp
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From: "Terence Kam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.conspiracy.microsoft,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Microsoft & GM
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:29:41 +1100
At a recent computer expo. in Las Vegas (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly
compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM had
kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be
driving $2500 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to
Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had
developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the
following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a
new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would
have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the car windows,
restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some
reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn would cause your
car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to
reinstall the engine.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT,"
but then you would have to buy more seats.
6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would only run on five
percent of the roads.
7. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be
replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light.
8. New seats would force everyone to have the same sized butt.
9. The airbag system would ask "are you SURE?" before deploying.
10. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and
refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned
the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand
McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor
want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the
car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a
target for investigation by the Justice Dept.
12. Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to
drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same
manner as the old car.
13. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Double Fucking ala MS...
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:26:24 -0800
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> But you can take good code, and introduce crap into it, for
> the purpose of removing it later as an "improvement".
>
> IBM used to do this shit with their hardware on a routine basis.
>
> They would install circuits to pull the DMA line periodically
> (like, say, every couple thousandths of a second). When you
> wanted your IBM upgraded to a faster model, the technician
> would come and REMOVE the bus-bandwidth-hog circuit card.
Reminds me of what GE had done to get more money out of the wallets of US
taxpayers
on an old Polaris submarine. They put a black box in one of the computer
bays and
on the box was stamped "No User Serviceable Parts" "Do Not Open". It was
called a
Nil generator. One day it broke and opened up the black box as I needed to
order a new
one anyway. Inside was a jumper wire! The solder joint failed! I soldered
it back into to
place and it worked just fine! The cost?? $800 for the module! I yelled
bloody murder
to my congressman and it was finally investigated and GE had to pay back.
It happens alot.
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:36:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : Brock Hannibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> :>chrisv wrote:
:> :>> Well, no reasonable person can deny that their are different talents
:> :>> related to your brain that are not measured by IQ tests. In my own
:> :>> case, I do plenty well on IQ tests, but, if asked to draw something
:> :>> artistically, I do very poorly. Am I "smarter" than a person with
:> :>> more artistic talent but less mathematical talent than me?
:> :>
:> :>Well, if you redefine intelligence to include artistic talent you
:> :>have a point. Fortunately , artistic talent is called artistic
:> :>talent, not intelligence. Musical talent is not intelligence.
:> :>Athletic prowess is not intelligence. Emotional empathy is not
:> :>intelligence. Why do people try to equate things that are not the
:> :>same?
:>
:> : Well, I think that's the heart of this issue. You may in fact be
:> : right, in that this narrow definition of "intelligence" is
:> : scientifically correct. However, it's common for popular usages of
:> : terms to become broader than what is strictly correct.
:>
:> Other way 'round, actually. The broader usage typically exists
:> FIRST, and then they scientific definition is nailed down later.
:> Consider "force". The word already existed before Issac Newton
:> decided it should represent mass times accelleration. It's an
:> arbitrary made-up defintion because scientists need to talk to
:> each other in precise terms. It's truly unfortunate that scientists
:> often pick terms that already *have* definitions and then redefine
:> them for their use. Making up new lingo for a field of study is
: However, in the sense that Newton used "force", it was already
: in use. Newton merely found a way to describe it mathematically.
No he didn't. He found a way to define a SUBSET of what the
word "force" meant. His definition fails in the following
examples:
"Economics is a strong political force."
"I was forced at gunpoint to do it."
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time (coding isn't programming)
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:30:55 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Every time people bring up things like 'modifying TCP/IP' or changing 'Kerberos', it
:is the
: SPECIFICATION that is vulnerable.
There's no difference, conceptually. The specs are source code for
programming the programmers.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: definition of "free" for N-millionth time
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:32:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:news:98bff5$f5a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : On 10 Mar 2001 01:25:03 +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> :>religiously? i'm not surprised. anyway, could you explain to me why
:> :>i see this recurring phrase "congreff shall make no law..." and hey,
:> :>what about that bill of rights? they're phrased _negatively_, as
:> :>restrictions on uhh, Freedom. it's looking to me that in order to
:> :>establish good old-fashioned american-as-apple-pie freedom we have to
:> :>have limits (gasp) unfreedom (swoons), at the very least, a limit on
:> :>destroying the architecture of freedom. otherwise, as you say, it's a
:> :>hollow shell.
:>
:> : Go back and read the Bill of Rights again, this time for comprehension. It
:> : is entirely a set of limits placed on governments (originally, just the US
:> : Congress, but later extended by the Fourteenth Amendment and related court
:> : cases) to prohibit them from infringing on the rights and freedoms assumed
:> : to be inherent in the status of being a free citizen.
:>
:> So will you admit then that sometimes the total amount of freedom
:> can be increased BY placing certain limits on people? In this case,
:> the freedom of the populace is increased by limiting the freedom of
:> the government.
:>
: The freedom argument is a straw argument. Suffice it to understand (if those who
: are blind will wake-up), that the usage of the term 'free' when describing the GPL
: is eccentric AT BEST, and a lie in more typical applications. Those who understand
: the GPL, and use the term 'free' in an unqualified manner, are simply perpetuating a
:lie,
: and their honesty isn't in question... Their lack of honesty is clear, and shows
:weak
: ethics.
I'm talking to a fucking brick wall. Forget it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:43:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Windoze Domination/Damnation
>> And how much does it cost, with a system?
>>
>> £100?
>> £50?
>> £30...
>>
>> It's around £30 or less. That's a big expense is it?
Last I checked (admittedly, August 1999), an OEM copy of 98SE available at the
local component megashop (with purchase of requisite components to make your
own system) was one hundred US dollars. About 65 quid-- enough to buy a nice
little toy like a decent-make TV tuner card, or another speed grade or two more
CPU, or 128-- or even 256M more memory.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:40:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> score better than someone with the same intelligence who just hasn't
:> read as much. The degenerate example of this would be some isolated
:> kid who's parents never put him in school and never taught him how
:> to read. He might be highly intelligent but still lacking the chance
:> to pick up language skills.
: This is similar to arguing that one's genetic potential for
: musculature doesn't exist, because you can always find some
: child of well-muscled parents who is weak and scrawny after
: years of being malnurished while locked in a closet without
: exercise.
The difference is that you recognize that genetics does not
*guarantee* musculature, yet you pretend IQ tests are a
guaranteed measure of intelligence. There is a high corellation,
but to assume that everyone who scores low on IQ is not intelligent
is incorrect.
: Exceptions do not make the rule, and in most cases, the reasons
: that the exceptions *are* exceptions are readily apparent to
: even the most casual of observers.
Will you admit that exceptions exist and therefore the IQ tests
are NOT a good measure of inteligence? Do that and I stop
arguing about this. You can argue correlations all you want.
Showing correlations is insufficient to prove your point.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:48:29 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Scott Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Exactly the opposite. I said that his was the more intelligent and
: elegant solution, even if it *had* taken him longer to figure out than
: the brute-force method employed by the rest of the students. I don't
: know where you could have gotten any other impression from my post.
Welcome to the brick wall that is Aaron.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:47:32 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:> *better* solution in the long run. He was trying to counter
:> your notion that intelligent == fast. The problem with his
:> approach is that Karl's solution was *also* faster, since he
:> had his answer first.
: At this point, I can only say that you have TOTALLY
: misunderstood the story of Gauss.
That's funny since my understanding of it matches what you
just posted. Read the last sentence in my above quoted
paragraph again. Note that I SAID Karl had his answer first.
My point was that you didn't understand how Scott was trying
to use the story in his argument. I'm not disagreeing with
you on what the story is, nor am I agreeing with what Scott
said.
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From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:52:14 -0800
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Steve Mading wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Scott Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : This is a farcical example, I know, but a lot of potential
> > : linux converts already have computers, and those computers were likely
> > : built with Windows in mind, not Linux. Until novice users can go to
> > : the hardware manufacturer's web site and download self-installing
> > : drivers to make their hardware work under Linux, this will always be a
> > : barrier to Linux's widespread acceptance into the desktop arena.
> >
> > This is all very true, but what can be done to fix it? The
> > problem is that it's a technical problem that is being
> > caused by cultural marketplace forces. A technical solution
> > can't fix it. Nothing can be done TO Linux to change the
> > 'political' situation: A large number of hardware manufacturers
> > are perfectly willing to forego smaller markets if that
> > means not having to put forth as much effort. (It's expensive
> > to pay a highly competent guy to program a driver, so unless
> > you know you are going to be selling a *lot* of units, you
> > have a hard time recouping that cost.) As it stands now,
> > what typically happens is that the hobbyists have to write the
> > drivers themselves, but they can't begin until the model is
> > already out on the shelves at the computer store. By then the
> > Windows driver has already been written in-house by the
> > manufacturer. It's a case of Linux being hampered by a completely
> > non-technical, non-programmer type of problem. Since most of
> > the people pushing Linux are of the programmer/technical bent,
> > they aren't really in a position to tackle this type of problem.
> >
> > I have no idea what the solution is. How do you program around
> > the "hardware companies are short-sighted" bug?
>
> It's simple.
>
> I write letters to manufacturers on company letterhead that says
> that we no longer purchase printers unless they come with Linux drivers.
>
> If manufacturers got a couple THOUSAND of those per year what do
> you think would happen...
>
I did just that to Lexmark. Kept pestering them and asked if they liked
money.
I now noticed their web site has been updated to include Linux drivers for
the Z series
printers.
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:54:36 -0800
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Concerning Hotmail's configuration, although I'm not knowledgeable
> > enough to dig out any more information than this - is there any
> > relevance to the fact that dynamic pages in Hotmail are served via
> > 'cgi-bin', and those on microsoft.com are 'asp'?
>
> Who cares about the aleged Hotmail conversion anyway.
>
> Just play around at netcraft for a while and you can see several
> series that go like this:
>
> Date 1 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 2 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 3 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 4 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 5 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 6 Windows 2000 / IIS5
> Date 7 NT4 / IIS4
> Date 8 NT4 / IIS4
>
> Heck, there's even reports from *Microsoft* that NT4 performs better
> than Windows 2000. So regardless the veracity of the Hotmail
> conversions, Windows 2000 is having problems otherwise.
>
> What's the moral of all this? Any new product will have bugs; I'm
> sure that Windows 2000 will be much better by 2002.
>
Last I heard there were over 64,000 bugs in Win2k.
Thats too many.
> --
> It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a PCI slot on your ATX
videoboard
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: 10 Mar 2001 09:51:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : Correlation does not imply causation.
:>
:> : However, Correlation which coresponds with reverse correlation
:> : usually does imply causation one way or the other.
:>
:> Not necessarily. It also leaves open the possiblity of an un-examined
: I notice how you explicitly SNIPPED the counter-example to my
: own argument which *I* provided.
: Why did you do that, Steve?
Why the hell did you present an argument you already had
counterexamples to?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.conspiracy.microsoft,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Microsoft & GM
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:41:04 +0200
This is *old* news.
Funny, nonetheless.
"Terence Kam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:98cs5f$bnr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> At a recent computer expo. in Las Vegas (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly
> compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM
had
> kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all
be
> driving $2500 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to
> Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had
> developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the
> following characteristics:
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