Linux-Advocacy Digest #171, Volume #33 Thu, 29 Mar 01 00:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) (Julian Bordas)
Re: Too expensive, too invasive (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Now I know ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Here is the response from Microsoft regarding Linux and Piracy: (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("Andy S. \(AJS\)")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:04:30 -0500
Barry Manilow wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Barry Manilow wrote:
> > >
> > > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > > > world.
> > > >
> > > > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > > >
> > > > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> > >
> > > China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> > >
> >
> > China uses slave labor to produce its exports. That isn't capitalism,
> > its exploitation.
>
> A lot of the Chinese economy is now being run as a capitalist economy.
And this validates communism how, exactly?
>
> > But then again, in your case seeing that you may live in Cuba and may
> > have been raised there since birth, you probably really don't know what
> > a good lifestyle is.
>
> No. Born and raised in the US.
No wonder you're such a fucking yutz.
>
> Its relative to your experiences. Eventually,
> > capitalism will slowly topple the communist system.
> >
> > In the ex-soviet state back in the mid 60's, the soviets used to design
> > and build their own computers. However, they made a change and decided
> > it was easier to just steal the superior american computer systems by
> > buying them thru third party channels. The soviet state looks the same
> > today as it did in 1946. Total stagnation.
>
> This is not really true. They have advanced a lot since then. In the
> 50's the rate of economic growth for China and the Soviet Union
> exceeded the US. In the last 2 years, the rate of Cuban economic
> growth has exceeded the US. The problem with state socialism is you
> get great economic growth for a while but then it all bogs down into
> beaurocracy. Perhaps a remedy would be having state enterprises
> compete internationally.
>
> The Cuban biotech industry is the best in Latin America and is
> world-renowned.
Yes..they have thousands and thousands of human microbe incubators.
More than even the Japanese during the height of their bio-warfare
experiments in the 1940's.
> Wealthy, right-wing Latin Americans from all over the
> Hemisphere fly to Cuba to have special procedures performed that their
> own capitalist medical system is incapable of. A huge body of
"Right Wing" being defined as anything that isn't hard-core Communist.
> evidence proves that government medical care is superior to capitalist
> medicine. Cuba has the best-educated population in Latin America and
> one of the healthiest workforces to boot. The rest of the Hemisphere,
> including the US, does not believe that medical care is an inherent
> right of all humans. Instead, the believe, immorally, that it is a
> privelege. Now who has the immoral, evil system here?
>
> Cuba is the only country in the Hemisphere that is dedicated to
> providing housing for all citizens. There is basically no
> homelessness in Cuba. In the wealthy US, 15% of the population has
> been homeless at one time, and many decent, hard-working (full-time)
> parents and families have no homes. Now who has the immoral, evil
> system here?
You are so badly brainwashed the the ONLY cure for you is 130 grains
of copper-jacketed lead to your head.
I hope you get cured quickly.
> --
> Bob
> Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> today!
> Why do you think you are being flamed?
> [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
> [ ] You started an off-topic thread
> [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
> [ ] People don't like your tone of voice
> [ ] Other (describe)
> [ ] None of the above
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:06:46 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > > > world.
> > > >
> > > > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > > >
> > > > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> > >
> > > China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> > >
> > > I would venture to say that the Cuban system kills few. Certainly, in
> > > the rest of Latin America, capitalism is a killing machine. At least
> > > Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > > will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > > medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > Have you ever spoken with a Cuban? I speak fluent spanish and I have
> > spoken with *many* and they all pretty much:
> >
> > 1) Love Cuba
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2) Despise the government
> >
> > Why do you think they kill themselves to come *here*?
> >
> > > Will the US even commit to this? No. Actually, lack of proper
> > > medical care murders 250,000 Americans every year, in one of the
> > > world's richest countries! Most of these are good, hard-working
> > > folks. Why did they have to die? So a relative few could make some
> > > extra bucks. How could anyone defend such a system?
> >
> > Huh? I've lived in cities from the size of millions to a small town
> > the size of 4000 and have never seen these people. I supported myself
> > by working at McDonald's and managed to pay for school at the same
> > time. I didn't manage to pay for the nicest place to live, but I had
> > enough money to buy a PlayStation and way too many games.
> >
> > Death never entered the equation.
> >
> > > I suppose the idea would be to come up with an economic system that
> > > did not systematically kill so many human beings. Capitalism can be
> > > reformed to the point where hardly kills at all (well-regulated
> > > capitalism, probably the best system so far) but capitalists never
> > > seem to want to do this because by saving lives, they would end up
> > > making less money. Any system with that kind of ideology seems pretty
> > > immoral to me.
> >
> > You are crazy.
> >
> > Go to Miami and visit with a few refugees before you spout off again.
> >
> > --
> > It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> > Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
> Sorry, Craig. This person is an insurgent. Ignore his kind. He is
It's even better to line his closet-dictator hide up against the wall
and let loose with a full magazine of ball ammunition.
Or, for really pretty abstract art, mix in a box of purple-tip (explosive).
> full of propaganda and the same kind I've heard back in the 60's. It's
> all lies from their kind and they look for the unsuspecting to subvert.
>
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Julian Bordas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:15:22 +1000
John Hong wrote:
> They have a publically downloadable version of SuSE 7.1 *right
> now*. The thing is, you can not actually install it on your machine. It
> will only run from a bootable CDROM and no more. To actually get SuSE 7.1
> you have to purchase either the Personal or Professional edition.
Hmm... I downloaded it and installed it and it runs!!
--
Julian Bordas
Williamstown, Victoria, Australia.
To send email remove the full stop and the
country in which I live, from my email address.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Too expensive, too invasive (was: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:10:56 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 28 Mar 2001
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 26 Mar 2001
> >> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim Dandie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> : It appears RH is trying to old B. Gates routine...mapping the config
> >> >> : and using it to their advantage...What else are they grabbing from
> >> >> : your box?
> >> >>
> >> >> This does sound suspicious. It seems like a law of economics that a company
> >> >> will always use lock-in with software. Microshit is the obvious classic of
> >> >> course, but every app maker fucks with file formats, Netscape singlehandedly
> >> >> fucked up the web, and now Red Hat is trying it.
> >> >
> >> >Netscape singlehandedly made the Web a household term.
> >>
> >> Puh-leeze. The Web made Netscape a household term.
> >
> >Barely anybody except for physicists at CERN would have ever heard of the
> >the Web if it wasn't for Andreesen.
>
> And not even those scientists would have herd of Andreesen if not for
> the web (http).
>
> >Some friends and I first discovered it in 1993 while using some archie-like
> >utility.
> >
> >"World Wide Web"... my first thought was "wow, SOMEBODY has an ego"
>
> Apparently, you hadn't been following technology for very long. That
> 'archie-like' utility was probably gopher, and the concept of
No...it was either archie or veronica or jughead (I don't remember
which)... it was definitely post-gopher.
> hyperlinked distributed documents dates from the sixties, at the latest.
>
> It damn sure was impressive, though, wasn't it, to actually see it all
> get put together? Its one thing to use gopher, or even lynx; but to see
> a whole presented page from the other side of the globe just pop up in
> an X window - that's something.
This was still on a tty terminal
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Now I know
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:14:01 -0500
David Jordan wrote:
>
> At last I've understood why GNU/Linux was so stable,
> it was just 'cause it could do nothing apart from simple
> fork() and listening to a TCP port.
for your information, the Unix community has had GUI's since 1984.
What was Microsoft selling in 1984? Oh yes...DOS 1.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:17:52 -0500
Barry Manilow wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Said Craig Kelley in alt.destroy.microsoft on 28 Mar 2001 08:22:12
> > > >Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > [...]
> > > >Have you ever spoken with a Cuban? I speak fluent spanish and I have
> > > >spoken with *many* and they all pretty much:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Love Cuba
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > 2) Despise the government
>
> Ah but they love Castro.
Yeah...that's why they risk drowning to get off his island.
> That is the part of the equation that u missed.
Can you get me some of whatever you're smoking...I could make
a mint off it.
> >
> > > >Why do you think they kill themselves to come *here*?
>
> They want to get rich. They are impatient. The quota for that year
> has filled up. They do not want to go anywhere else in the world.
> Every free adult in Cuba is free to leave the country but u must wait
> 6 months. A lot of Cubans want to go to the US but the quota fills up
> real quick. Those who do not make the cut hop on rafts.
> > >
> > > Nor does it in Cuba, only they don't have PlayStations. N
> >
> > You're the one that said they didn't have PlayStations. That counts
> > as a harm in my book.
>
> You would be stunned how many people down there have things like that.
> --
> Bob
> Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
> today!
> Why do you think you are being flamed?
> [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
> [ ] You started an off-topic thread
> [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
> [ ] People don't like your tone of voice
> [ ] Other (describe)
> [ ] None of the above
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Here is the response from Microsoft regarding Linux and Piracy:
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:48:07 +1200
>From Microsoft Anti-Piracy Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:31 pm
To Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject Re: Piracy???? (KMM187946C0KM)
Hello,
We suggest that you contact Linux.
Microsoft Corporation
Worldwide Sales & Support Group
Received Date: 3/27/01
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I bought one copy of Linux and installed it on more than one machine.
Is that bad?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Andy S. \(AJS\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:44:51 -0800
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> If only they'd be content with 'every way legally possible', not that
> purposeful gaining of market share isn't the epitome of
> "monopolization", outlawed by the Sherman Act more than a hundred years
> ago.
>
Actually an organization being a Monopoly is not illegal. Only when the
organization uses it's Monopolistic powers to force out competition is when
the Sherman Act comes into play.
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