Linux-Advocacy Digest #697, Volume #33 Thu, 19 Apr 01 02:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux = CHOICE! (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Peter da Silva)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Peter da Silva)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant (Peter da Silva)
Re: Am I f******? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000 (Johnnie Kendricks)
Re: Microsoft: Closed source is more secure (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft (Douglas Siebert)
Re: To Eric FunkenBush (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: To Eric FunkenBush (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is for the lazy ("User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys")
Re: Linux is for the lazy ("User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys")
Re: What's the point (Terry Porter)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Terry Porter)
Re: hmm getting tired of this! (Chad Everett)
Re: What's the point (Chad Everett)
Re: Linux = CHOICE! ("Flacco")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Linux = CHOICE!
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:40:03 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:45:50 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
|Ed Allen wrote:
|
|> We are looking forward to changing away from monopoly crapware.
|
|The only crapware I'm seeing is on Linux.
|
|> It is only the Win32 development parasites who are afraid of the
|> change.
|
|That's why I'm using Linux right now.
|
|> The only difference is where the code and libraries get placed.
|>
|> You write a post install script putting links to where the real
|> code was placed.
|
|You still have to do extra work for each distro.
|
|> Vendors getting money for crap is what I call easy times and it
|> has to stop.
|
|Why? Why shouldn't I be paid for the fruit of my labours? How am I supposed
|to eat if I do not receive money for what I've created? Become a
|free-loader and sponge of the rest of society?
You feel you have a right to be paid for crap products?
I have no objection to you being paid for the fruits of your labours,
and I don't think the original author does either, as long as those
fruits are of good quality.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: 19 Apr 2001 03:35:25 GMT
In article <GpVC6.4138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9bgnkk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <u4PC6.4121$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Each process can't address more than 4GB at a time. With VLM extensions
> a
> > > process can address up to 64GB.
> > Just like an 8086 addressing >1MB.
> An 8086 cannot, under any circumstances in an IBM compatible PC address more
> than 1MB. Ever.
If it could, it would be like VLM.
If they'd done it like an 80286 addressing >1MB that would have actually have
made sense.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 19 Apr 2001 03:32:56 GMT
In article <9bikaq$6a8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then move the whole company over to open protocols and interfaces! :)
That turns out to be harder than it looks, unless one doesn't mind losing
jobs because one can't deal with oddball Windows-only stuff that customers
send you. And Star Office is just the beginning.
> A wonderful free tool called VNC can help the migration process
> tremendously by allowing Linux boxes to run Windows apps running on
> other boxes and vice versa.
Not to mention Citrix, and Windows based X servers, and VMware.
But eventually you have to go cold turkey.
> Windows. Then, as groups of users become less and less dependent on
> M$-only software, you can move some of them over to Linux boxes
FreeBSD, actually.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: 19 Apr 2001 03:36:03 GMT
In article <3adc77cd$0$18887$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rick C. Hodgin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They did not. They could access much more memory than 1MB because of
> features present on adapter cards that could swap out portions of <=
> 1MB memory with memory that was logically mapped beyond 1MB. But it
> was still addressed within the 1MB region.
Well there you go. Just like VLM.
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`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: 19 Apr 2001 03:38:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And, I'll wager even more than that as soon as we need it. The IA32
> market is nothing, if not ingenious. You can deride it or stick your
> nose up at it, but it still continues to out-perform the general-use
> competition.
For values of "outperform" that include "occasionally rate higher on some
benchmark".
At least when the competition is spelled Alpha.
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`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johnnie Kendricks)
Crossposted-To: rec.photo.digital,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Am I f******? HP Photosmart C500 and Win 2000
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:09:34 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:08:31 -0400, John Carter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Since this is an informational group, how many people would consider
>it a safe place for a 10 year old to look for information about a new
>digital camera?
>
>Would you want your child using the word in everyday conversation?
If the little bastard is ten years old, I'm sure he probably is.
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:52:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>In comp.os.linux.misc Kevin <Raknaman(NoSpam)@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> > No, you are not f*****, but you are a jackass for posting a subject line
>>>> > like that. And the people who are defending you are bigger jackasses.
>>>>
>>>> Why? It's a perfectly common (ab)use of the word in contemporary
>>>> English. Why is he a jackass for writing English?
>>
>>
>>> Figures an even bigger jackass would think using a subject line like that is
>>> okay!
>>
>>Figures that an even bigger jackass would think that there something wrong
>>with using the work fuck.
>>
>>Adam
>
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft: Closed source is more secure
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:30:36 +1200
<snype>
> > On the other hand, we have Unix, where people try to do something as
> > routine and unambitious and trivial as write an FTP server, and it takes
> > them *YEARS* to get rid of the buffer overflows...something any
> > competent programmer would not have put into the code in the first
> > place.
>
> so are you telling me that FTP servers on windows don't have any
> buffer overflows?
>
They don't have buffer overflows. Instead they have BSOD's, GPFS and
frozen OS (when nothing responds, yet no message indicates that
something is wrong). To be serious, has he (Tim Leblanc) used IPlanet
products? my guess, he (Tim Leblanc) hasn't. The last time he (Tim
Leblanc) even saw something that resembled a UNIX workstation was on
beyond 2000, 10 years ago. Tim, things have changed since them.
Please, get up to date before making broad sweeping statements.
Matthew Gardiner
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Siebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: The X-Box and monopoly was: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:34:28 +0000 (UTC)
Rob Barris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > It has USB and/or Firewire does it not?
>>
>> No, it doesn't.
>You're both right.
>http://www.msxbox.com/faq.php3
>The ports are USB protocol but not standard USB connectors.
So someone will sell a $5 adaptor that will let you plug in a standard
USB keyboard, though it won't be of much use without software. And since
MS can control what software is allowed to run on Xbox, you probably
won't see third party software requiring a keyboard. But if MS wants to
use the Xbox for this, I'm sure they'll provide an MS keyboard using
their proprietary connector along with the Web Terminal "game". It has
SVGA and HDTV outputs, so you won't have to surf the web on a crappy TV
like WebTV.
MS probably doesn't want to do this, because they'd really anger Dell
and the other OEMs, who might get more friendly towards alternatives
like Linux (or theoretically Apple, since OS X could be made to run
on x86 hardware, but Apple seems resigned to maintaining their small
market share) If Sony starts the fight, MS will feel they have to
defend their monopoly.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: To Eric FunkenBush
Date: 19 Apr 2001 04:53:37 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:29:07 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> Go buy this book: ISBN 1-57169-131-6.... it discusses STL
> This so called ignorance you are talking about...??? Tell that to
> Stephan Prata.
I've got a bunch of great books, by (for example) Koenig, Coplien,
Stroustrup, Meyers, Fowler, etc.
HOWEVER, the problem is that not everyone is fortunate enough to start
with a good book, and you can NOT pick up a random C++ text with the
assumption that the author is competent.
BTW, I'll have a look for this book -- I don't think I've seen it before.
> I refute your trickle down theory....
Well, you're going to have to refute harder. I can cite numerous examples of
incompetent faculty, teaching from incorrect textbooks, and setting incorrect
text exams (often also taken from incorrect question lists)
> where did you get your knowledge from???
comp.lang.c++, and books recommended by people there. I'm a snob when it
comes to books, most of the books I buy are written by leading experts, or
they're books that I picked up *after* learning enough from the experts to
feel comfortable appraising books.
> You have to get it somewhere.
> Don't the Universities use books??
Yes, and our textbook is a sorry piece of crap. The author does not have
a bibliography (what the ???), the list of keywords is wrong (and very
incomplete), there's not even a coverage of string.
But I've seen worse -- there are people who teach from books that do things
like confusing windows specific functions with the standard library (@##@$!!)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: To Eric FunkenBush
Date: 19 Apr 2001 04:59:31 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:39:30 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > Of course it is. I made no statements about the quality or usefulness
> Actually, I believe that it's because the STL is entirely new style of
> programming. It took years for OOP to really catch on after it was
> available. The STL is based on generic programming, rather than OOP per se.
> It will take time for the concept to really sink in. People that are
> already familiar with C++ seem to take the longest to learn it.
Sounds plausible. A lot of them barely even understand OOP (-;
I'm fortunate enough to have come to C++ without too much old-C++ or C.
Most of what I'd done before was in perl. The hardest thing to get my
head around was understanding polymorphism in a statically typed setting.
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elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:09:49 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >All it takes is some competition.
> >The GPL encourages the continued monopoly by making it impossible
> >to use GPL'd code in combination with other components by a
> >competitive startup.
>
> Yea, right; that's going to fly as a logical premise. Looks a lot like
> "GPL is evil" as stated by MS, only they don't say it continues any
> monopoly. They are prepared to deny the monopoly as much as you are
> prepared to deny the contribution that non-GPL "free" software has made
> to that monopoly.
Count the examples of products that offered competition to the
developing monopoly that contained free-but-not-GPL'd code
(Sun's products for example). Now count the ones that contained
GPL'd code and compare them.
> And then you're going to pretend that it is the GPL's
> fault? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. I honestly used to think you had a real
> argument, Les.
Let me know if you actually come up with an example where you
think GPL'd code was used in something that could have prevented
the monopoly from developing. I can't think of a single one.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 Apr 2001 05:08:33 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:55:57 -0400, "cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:10:51 GMT, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> >After six years of Windows and one GPF too many, I bought Redhat7 and
>> >installed it. I expected a learning curve, but nothing like I ended up
>> >with.
<snip>
>
> If you have an income, want to enjoy technology as it becomes available, (or
> within a reasonable time thereafter) and just want to 'do stuff' then no,
> there is no point in running linux. None at all.
Repetition doesnt help your plantiff Wintroll whine at all Ubertroll. Not at
all.
> Better than 90% of computer users in the world run some form of windows,
> like it or not.
> If you have more than passing interest in computer science because you more
> than just 'enjoy it', then indeed, run linux.
>
<snip>
> Use whatever works for you, and don't let these malcontented individuals
> with no concept of reality, no psychic center, and no clue outside of their
Windows 'start' button.
> logon prompt tell you different.
Ubercat, you're a long term whiner, still upset that you couldn't install
linux, and afraid to learn new concepts that take you out of your comfort
zone.
To any lurkers here, Ubercat is really talking about himself. If you're not
afraid to learn, like to save money, and want a reliable OS, try Linux.
Get of the perpetual Windows '$$upgrade$$' bandwaggon, and breathe the fresh
air of freedom.
>
>
>
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Kind Regards
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:14:45 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:40:37
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> The one that makes it part of the laws of the United States of
America,
> >> >> where epistemological arguments are not allowed to make an
individuals
> >> >> rights disappear in a puff of smoke.
> >> >
> >> >Then I guess you won't have any trouble quoting that section before
> >> >going on with any more nonsense.
> >>
> >> Who said it was a section?
> >
> >I didn't think you could.
>
> No, you thought I couldn't; I knew I couldn't, and we both knew that I
> wouldn't. Stop playing troll-games, you little prick.
I can play just as long as you can. And I'm not little.
Les Mikesell
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From: "User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:49:39 GMT
Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After some deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Linux
> (and Unices in general) are built by the lazy, for the lazy.
> As proof of this, let's look through the whole gamut of
> UI tools.
> First of all, notice that the most commonly-used shell commands
> are two letters long (cd, ls, mv, cp, and so forth). Why not
> "list", or "move", or "copy"? Because that's too many letters
> to type, and so laziness prevails.
You don't know your UNIX history. The reason for short, terse type
commands was called TTY37 or ASR33 (plus a few other assorted related
terminal machines, still vaguely recalled in the terminal entries).
When was the last time you logged in, or did an ed on a TTY37?
> Then there's the standard directory structure. These are
> typically three letters (/usr, /tmp, /bin, /etc.). Why?
> Because typing in long directory names is tedious.
> Laziness wins again.
Nope, same reason as above. Granted, it was tedious, but,
at 110 or 300 baud on a TTY, saving chars was most beneficial.
> Notice that all the modern command shells support tab-completion?
> Yep, another point for laziness. Nobody wants to type in the
> whole name "foobar" when nothing else has the same name
> beyond "foo".
So, what's inherently wrong with that?
> Moving on a bit more, we come to X11. Here's a tool absolutely
> dedicated to servicing the lazy. Don't want to get up and
> walk down the hall to the server? Easy, just pop open a
> half dozen X clients from it and pretend you're sitting right
> in front of it.
Again, nothing inherently wrong with that.... as long as it begets not
that other pointy-clicky thingie.
> I'm sure many of you can think of more, but I think the point
> is clear: if you want to add a really successful feature
> to the Unix UI, make it a feature that facilitates laziness -
> because I'm really enjoying not having to do so much work... :)
Now the punch line.....(:+}}.... neat! Also, what a pain to have
to click 100 times through 50 windows just to ``ed foo''. Yeah,
I agree, the laziness of UNIX is a welcome feature! We need more
such features....
Bob
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From: "User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is for the lazy
Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:53:28 GMT
Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : You forget to consider all the effort that went into developing those
> : tools. The better formulation--which is already well known--is that
> : Unix was built by people who would rather spend 8 hours building a
> : interesting tool than 2 hours doing a boring task without the tool.
> Or, perhaps more precisely, 8 hours building an interesting tool to
> do a task in 10 seconds rather than actually performing the 1 hour
> task by hand. After said task is performed enough times, the
> benefits for laziness are immense :)
Or piping 10 such tools together to do a 100 hour job in 10 minutes
all while you head out for a cup o' mud, without giving you the infamous
carpel-tunnel-pointy-clicky-mouse syndrome.
Bob
(are we having fun, yet?.....(:+}}...)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: What's the point
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 Apr 2001 05:19:20 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:56:18 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric wrote:
>>
>> After six years of Windows and one GPF too many, I bought Redhat7 and
>> installed it. I expected a learning curve, but nothing like I ended up
>> with.
>>
>> I got my cable modem, printer, cdrom drives, and daily programs going, and
>> it took me endless hours - most of them spent trying to fix my display
>> resolution, only to find out the config file was XF86config-4 and not
>> XF86config. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
>
> Mandrake came with a nifty little program that did it instantly and
> painlessly for me. It part of DrakConfig I think, I later used XConfig.
> A lot of times there's no need to edit those files directly and
> sometimes it may not be desirable to, as a ']' in the wrong place could
> end up giving you hours of frustration (it did for me).
>
> For all it's faults... I will say that I was pleasantly surprised with
> how Linux responded to my hardware.
>
>> Then I started tackling my digital camera. I followed all the howtos I
>> could find - no joy. And I still dealt with crappy looking fonts on my web
>> browsers. And that's when I decided to throw in the towel.
>
> You hit the nail on the head. The people who ported NS to Linux should
> be shot... what a POS! Bugs, bugs, bugs.
I'm running Mozilla 0.8.1 atm and its proving to be quite reliable, has
excellent fonts, ans if far prefferable to me over Netscape.
>
> I phased out using Linux after being disappointed in the web-browsing
> options.
I've used Lynx for years, and have only started being happy with a GUI
browser (mozilla) in recent months.
>
>> After wasting 2 solid weeks of vacation time accomplishing half of what I
>> could do in a few hours under windows (even with the crashes and GPFs) I
>> wiped my hard drive slick and threw on Windows ME.
Then how come you're using Win98 and Mozilla ?
From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U)
>>
>> So my question is, for the home user, what's the point? Has anyone learned
>> Linux from the ground up just to use it at home?
Yep I did.
>> What's the advantage?
Stability, cost, freedom, and TONS of really useful software, all free.
>> I'm
>> convinced Linux is great if you want to run a server or whatever, but is
>> there a point in home users running Linux?
Yes there is, easily set up networking, plus the above reasons.
>
> Only if you're interested in learning something new, then it can be
> rewarding. It was for me all in all... but I now use Windows as well.
> Linux is great software that is fatally flawed by a lack of good apps...
I guess that depends on your definition of 'good' apps. For me Linux has far
more 'good' apps that Windows has had, or will likely ever have.
> maybe when that changes I'll switch back.
I'll never switch back to Windows as Linux ease of use has spoilt me forever.
'Windows ... it's just not good enough any more'
>
> --
> - Brent
>
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 19 Apr 2001 05:29:27 GMT
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:21:11 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>> Well, stop using ISA and switch to PCI as it works?
>>
>> Yep, that's right. Now you have shelled out £££ for windows, go and shell
>> out more £££ to replace perfectly servicable hardware that windows does
>> not deem fit to run.
>
> Oh I'm sorry, you can't aford £30?
He 'chooses' not to spend $30 to replace something that works perfectly
already.
>
>> I feel great to be off the upgrade bandwagon. I still use a P133, but
>> since I am not forced to upgrade the bits that work fine (like CPU, RAM)
>> I can spend money on things that needed upgrading (Moniter, CD-RW). And
>> it has been more than worth it.
>
> I'm not on the upgrade bandwagon. I've never been on it.
Yes you are, you just seem unable to comprehend it.
>
>> You lumping all of linux with KDE belies your inexperience.
>
> I'm expressing the opinion of the majority.
Goodwin, I wasnt aware that your mind reading powers had returned ?
>
>> So? If you don't like KDE, don't use it.
>
> So what happened to choice? I choose to use KDE!
So use it, fix it, love it!
>
>> Yep. You've got it. Linux+(GNOME | KDE) is all there is. Period. FVWM2
>> does not exist. It was made up by evil M$-Haters. As was Afterstep and
>> Windowmaker and GWM and TWM and...
>
> None of which come even close to KDE or for that matter GNOME...
Hahah not in terms of bugs.
Windowmaker is very cool actually, I dont use it because I dont like
icons.
What does KDE or Gnome give you, that Windowmaker doesnt ?
>
> --
> Pete
> Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> Kylix: the way to go!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: hmm getting tired of this!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Apr 2001 11:18:52 -0500
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:48:08 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><snype>
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>Even if all this "Global Warming" was a crock of shit, I would like to
>live in a world where the streams are not contaminated with arsenic
>because George dwbeya bush wants to piss in large corporate pockets. I
>would also love to live in an area with out the problem of acid rain and
>thick poisonous smog hanging around the area.
>
>Matthew gardiner
>
Are you suggesting that there is more arsenic in the water than there has
been in the past? There isn't. Clinton signed a bill tightening arsenic
amounts on his last day in office. Why didn't he do it eight years earlier?
Maybe it's because he "wanted to piss in large corporation pockets" (and
come all over the Oval Office carpet). George W. isn't ADDING arsenic to
the water, now is he?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: What's the point
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Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:16:52 -0500
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:10:51 GMT, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> [-- snip --]
>
>After wasting 2 solid weeks of vacation time accomplishing half of what I
>could do in a few hours under windows (even with the crashes and GPFs) I
>wiped my hard drive slick and threw on Windows ME.
>
I have a Yamaha SCSI CD-RW drive on my Windows 2000 Pro system. I've
tried using Easy CD Creator and Nero to burn CDs on and none of
them will allow anyone except the administrator to write to the drive.
What good is the darn thing if normal users can't create CDs?!
I've found some great help: "only the administrator can write CDs"
Oh great, thanks for nothing.
I have the same drive on my Linux system, adjust a few permissions,
and voula!...users can write and copy CDs.
What has taken me days on Windows 2K Pro and still doesn't work
took me minutes on my Linux system.
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux = CHOICE!
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:22:53 -0400
> >> http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html
This is the first time I've *ever* been in favor of using sex to sell
something!
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