Linux-Advocacy Digest #757, Volume #33 Sat, 21 Apr 01 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (mlw)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (mlw)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Monte Milanuk")
Re: What's the point ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 ("Zorostorer")
Re: What's the point ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Mark Hillary)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Mark Hillary)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Mark Hillary)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Chad Everett)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (Donn Miller)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (Donn Miller)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Mathew)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Mark Hillary)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Donn Miller)
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows (Mark Hillary)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (M Alex Colvin)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (The Ghost In The Machine)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:18:02 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have yet to see a convincing case for Microsoft SQl. If you need big and
> bad,
> > you go oracle. If you want simple and small, you go mysql, if you want
> > midrange, go Postgres.
>
> What do you call *OWNING* almost all of the top TPC benchmark scores?
TPC is practically meaningless for evaluating one component in a system. The
TPC benchmarking system is very largely dependent on hardware and
configuration, on top of that it is not a benchmark applied by a neutral
entity. The systems are tweaked and hacked until they can do no better. To
submit benchmark, one must be a member, and pay $1,500 per year. Since not just
anyone can submit a benchmark, it is not a representative sample of all the
reasonable alternatives.
The TPC is not a "fair and equal" benchmark applied to similar systems, it is a
hard core who can produce the biggest baddest system. It does not mean the
system is designed for stability, maintainability, scalabity. It simply says,
this whole system did this for this limited period of time. System vendors
submit their benchmarks for bragging rights.
However, if you look at the TPC-C benchmarks, and select "non-clustered"
results, MS-SQL isn't even on the page, and if you look at the MS SQL clusters
that do have top-10 performance they are huge clusters.
Maintaining a huge cluster of computers over one large computer is much more
labor intensive and expensive. In all reality, the price/performance does not
include maintenance.
If you look at the TPC-H benchmarks, MS-SQL shows how bad it is at scaling up
to the big time.
More over, the TPC does not factor reliability. A Sun UNIX system is vastly
more reliable than a Windows 2K system.
If you need to scale, REALLY scale, you will avoid MS-SQL and go with Oracle,
or even DB2. MS-SQL can't hold a candle to these systems. If you need a
moderate size database, you can go with Postgres for a tpc price/performance
that is practically infinite. If you need simple small, mysql.
>
> > What value, over the above listing, does MS SQL bring to the table that
> the
> > above does not?
>
> Vastly superior cost of ownership.
MS-SQL can't scale up, and there are low/no cost alternatives in the MS market.
What "superior cost of ownership?"
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
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http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:16:18 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > Detesting homosexuality is NOT the same as fear.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Why do you detest it?
>
>
> What's NOT to detest about it?
Well, let's see.
Gays use sex much the same way hets do; as a method of recreation,
excercise, sharing, comforting, bonding, play, relaxation, stress relief,
expression of love, to increase closeness and intimacy, and so on. So one
would conclude that if homosexuality is detestable, so is all sex.
On the other hand, lesbians - who fit the category "homosexual", note - have
the lowest incidence of AIDS; therefore at least one branch of homosexuality
is, apparently, to be preferred over straight sex. You could, of course,
always have a sex change, if you're not currently equipped for a lesbian
relationship.
Or maybe it's the practices you dislike? Let's see. Oral sex. Anal sex.
Nope, straights do those, too. Or some of the media-hyped things the gays
do, such as S&M and bondage? Nope, straights do those, too.
So, what it comes down to, then, is that you're suggesting one thing -
homosexuality - is detestable, despite involving the same sort of activities
as another thing - straight sex - so we must, therefore, conclude that you
find straight sex equally detestable.
This could, of course, explain some of the apparent frustration expressed in
many of your posts. In the words of Robin Williams, "In more dire need of a
blow job than any white man in history."
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:19:00 GMT
[snips]
"Tracy Hochheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> You pretend to be such a passionate advocate of freedom, but now you
are
> > >> showing your true colors by coming clean with the fact that think
that
> > >> only men are entitled to any freedom at all (and even the men have
fairly
> > >> limited freedom, apart from freedom to rape and beat their wives and
> > >> servants)
> > >
> > > Nah.
> >
> > Yeah.
> >
> > You obviously think freedom is not very important, because you hold
> > in high regard a religious state that offers no freedom.
> >
> > > I'm just saying that women in Saudi Arabia have a much better life
> > > than American woman...thanks to American feminists.
> >
> > How do they have a better life ? Your claims that they are "safer" do
> > not hold water, and even if they did, would you trade all your freedom
> > for these perceived benefits ? Is freedom really that unimportant
> > to you ?
> >
> > --
> > Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> > elflord at panix dot com
>
> What does this have to do with Linux advocacy? Is Linux, an
> Is Lamic womans choice of OS?
No, of course not; they're not allowed to make such choices. Linux for
women's rights! :)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:28:06 -0400
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> Says good-bye to expensive, hard to manage unix crap too...
>
> http://www.vnunet.com/News/1120413
>
> Zenon Chomyszyn, technology manager at the Halifax, told Computing that the
> company's Unix systems are too expensive to maintain, and that he hopes to
> reduce these costs by installing W2DC, despite a high initial outlay.
> "The benefits will be the management of the systems and boxes rather than a
> saving in purchase price," he said.
>
> Chomyszyn added that the operating system will increase the availability,
> reliability and scalability of the bank's databases, and will reduce
> operational costs by managing a single server rather than thousands.
It is a pretty funny article. I will print a copy and wait a year and have a
good chuckle.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Monte Milanuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:26:12 GMT
Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A good project for Linux open source would be a ladder logic
> development/run-time enviornment. It should have provisions for
> constructing and printing ladder diagrams. It should have a runtime
> enviornment that intreprets the diagram routing signals to/from the
> external hardware. For emergency situations, it should have provisions
> for over-riding the state of objects (password required).
>
I know... it's one of the things that is driving me to try to learn to
program... i.e. I'm very used to ladder logic, after dealing w/ large
programs on Reliance Automax DCS and AB PLC5 racks, and since in my new job
I will probably be not allowed near the techie type stuff (I'm an operator,
now ;p ) I will have to settle for doing some home automation stuff. And to
me, it seems like a decent ladder logic implementation would be just the
ticket for stuff like irrigation systems, lighting schemes, burglar alarms,
and what not. Hopefully someone more skilled than I will start it, because
if it has to wait for me to learn enough to start it, it'll be a long time
coming ;)
Monte
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:31:50 GMT
"Ian Davey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9bk2m7$3p1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "cat < nonsense > cola"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >People in this group have been spreading BS for years about the ease of
> >linux as an inducement to potential new users. They mention this
'learning
> >curve' from time to time, as if it was nothing for the average computer
> >using individual to give up hours a day just to setup and use email and
the
> >web, pull their hair out when adding hardware, or even trying to get the
X
>
> What BS are you sprouting here? It's incredibly easy in Mandrake 7.2
(under
> KDE for instance) to set up email and web access.
It is, eh? Within limits.
Mandrake 7.2. KDE. Voila, I now have an e-mail reader and a web browser.
So far so good. I want to check my bank statements online, so I head over
there. Whoops, nope, sorry; my browser and the bank don't seem to be
compatible. Spit. Okay, head off and snarf the latest version of
nustscrape. Install it. 6.0, isn't it? So why, when I click the
"Netscape" icon, do I get 4.76 instead? Spit. Okay, remove NS 4.76. Still
nothing linking to NS6. Remove, reinstall. Still nothing. Create an icon
and a shortcut. Whoops, where did it install again? Hunt it down. Aha,
now head off to the bank and it all works.
Now I head over to check a couple of sites I like to browse, that use
various things for delivering streaming media. Oops, I need a plugin.
Oops, NS doesn't recognize the plugin type for this platform. Head off to
the site prodicing the plugins and... nope, no Linux version. So several
sites I frequent have become effectively unusable, at least with either
Konqueror or NS. Yes, easy to set up web access. Just not easy to set up
so it's actually useful. Oh, and the number of sites I run across which
render absolutely nothing, if browsing with Konqueror, is quite amazing.
See, they have scripts that determine the brower's capabilities, but are
aimed straight at the two "big boys" - IE and NS. Konqueror gets blank
pages. Bad design on the part of the webmaster? Sure - but runing Windows
with its built-in browser offers no such problems.
So, show me a Linux browser that, when queried, claims to be either NS or
IE, and supports the full set of plugins available for Windows, and I'll be
a happy camper. Until then, no matter how easy it may be to set up web
access, it remains in large part unusable for me.
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From: "Zorostorer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:34:42 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Zorostorer wrote:
> > Last I remember, Linus and the rest of the crew are the ones behind the
> > Engineering. Hmm.......
> You really don't know what a distro is, do you?
And you don't seem to understand what Engineering is, do you?
Matt
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:41:27 GMT
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9bkujc$9tp2g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Todd wrote:
>
> >
> > Welcome to Linux.
> >
> > It takes endless hours to do simple things that under Windows is done
> > automatically.
> >
> > And they say it is a conspiracy.
> >
>
> OK - Name one thing that Windows does automatiaclly that Linux takes hours
> to do.
Supports my SB Live Drive IR. Windows did it. Still waiting for Linux.
Getting my ATA-100 drives working under MDK 7.2. Windows did it. We spent
hours trying to get MDK to manage it - and never did.
Getting 3D acceleration, dualhead and 2D acceleration support for my G400
Max. Windows does it, but under Linux, according to all the installs I've
done so far, I can choose _either_ the older X with the 3D support, or the
newer X with 2D and dualhead support, but not both.
Finding versions of applications which are smart enough to create shotcuts
in my KDE menus. The majority of Windows applications automatically create
shortcuts; so far experience says that for Linux, this is not the case. Not
necessarily so surprising, since so many Linux apps are command-line apps,
but annoying nonetheless.
Allowing me to install more than two packages without locking the machine
hard. So far, I've installed dozens of apps under Windows, no problem, but
doing so under Linux averages one power-cycle per three apps.
At the _very_ least, these require first diagnosing the problem, second,
determining the appropriate solution, and third, in some cases at least,
twiddling one's thumbs until appropriate drivers come into existence - which
can take considerably longer than hours.
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:55:44 +0100
This is just a load of bollocks. Linux r00lz and that is that. I had use
windows from 3.0 and I am now 18. It tokk me hardly anytime to learn how to
use linux and I have now dumped windows all together. Safe behind my
stateful filewall that is built into the kernel. Knowing that the most any
virus can do to my machine is damage my users area. But also knowing that I
will not lost data because this is backed up using a cron job in the middle
of the night. Knowing that if I need to know about a command I can type
info <command> . And if I can't find out what i need to know from the info
on my box then I can ask on the web becasue of the linux comminty. Know ing
that my data is safe from back doors in software that is closed source.
Knowing that I can watch Dvd's that come from anywhere in the world.
Knowing that I will allways be able to encode mp3's and oggs on my box and
not have to deal with copy protection software.
Lets just say Linux is better.
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:59:38 +0100
Conch wrote:
>
>
> Martigan wrote:
>>
>> O.k. now that I have your attention,.
>>
>
> [///]
>
>>
>> P.s.s. If windows is so "great" why can it be brought down with a
>> "dumb-ass.txt.vbs"??????
>
>
> It's like this. Sure, Linux is robust and it stays up and running
> compared to Windows 98 (or whatever version). But having a computer
> and its OS stay up is quite boring if there are no applications to
> run on the damn thing! I mean, sitting there all day long listening
> to the computer fan while Linux runs and I have no apps to play with
> doesn't exactly give me a woody!
>
> If you are into sitting around listening to a computer fan all day,
> then Linux is for you. If you like hot rodding around with the latest
> and coolest commercial, shareware, and freeware apps, then Windows is
> the only choice!
>
> I didn't make the rules, this is just the way it is for right now.
>
Again what a load of bloody bollocks. On my Mandrake CD's came 2.5Gb of
programs. 3 Office apps and about 30 games, loads of other programs. Linux
runs UT q3 Tribes 2 Decent 3 Railroad tyconn 2 and loads more. Get you
bloody facts straight.
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:03:12 +0100
pookoopookoo wrote:
Also, I'm
> not sure why they call win98 bloatware, when my Mandrake 7.2 install took
> up almost a gig and a half.
>
I don't know what you did but my Mandrake install took 376Mb. Yes manadrake
comes with 2Gb of programs. But you don't need to install it all. How many
people need 6 Newsreads, 5 Email program, 3 office apps, 6 desktop
enivoments. Just install what you need and what you like.
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Apr 2001 15:50:50 -0500
On 21 Apr 2001 17:58:20 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ace Agincourt wrote:
>>Hi Roberto,
>>
>>On 20 Apr 2001 18:40:28 GMT,
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
>>put fingers to keyboard and tapped away writing:
>>
>>? billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>? >
>>? >"Roberto Alsina"
>>? >
>>? >> You apparently don't know what absurd means.
>>? >> You say it's not murder because it's not unlawful, right?
>>? >
>>? >No. I said killing in war is not murder, is not unlawful, is not immoral,
>>? >and is not unethical.
>>? >
>>? >You chose to believe that means I said, "it's not murder because it's not
>>? >unlawful." Something I've never said
>>?
>>? Murder is by definition unlawful. Therefore, if you say killing at war
>>? is not unlawful, the alleged lawfulness of the killing is sufficient
>>? cause for the killing not to be murder.
>>
>>
>>Serbia was at war with the Kosovas. Are you claiming that the mass
>>murders did not occur. Also, Hitler went to war against the Jews.
>>Are you a holocaust denier?
>
>I see you joined late, so my position, by reading only the above,
>could be misunderstood.
>
>I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
>killing at war, should be considered murder. I was only taking
>Billīs position to one of its many unpleasant logical outcomes.
>
Why do you distinguish self-defense as a special excemption?
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:10:40 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Hullo wrote:
>
> It's great.
If by great you mean Pavarotti "great", Momma Cass "great", Nell Carter
"great", Chris Farley "great", I guess you are correct. :-)
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:13:42 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Come to think of it, maybe that previous post is offensive to certain
groups of people. Sorry about that - didn't think of it when I made the
post. I'm certainly "greater" than I was at age 17.
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From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:17:21 +1000
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Michael Ejercito wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:08:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (silverback) wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:50:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael
> >Ejercito) wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:27:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>(silverback) wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:25:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael
> >>>Ejercito) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:26:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>(silverback) wrote:
> >>>>>sure 100K killed on the job yearly
> >>>> Proof? And ebign killed on the job is usually not murder.
> >>>i
> >>>
> >>>it sure the fuck is if there were violations of safety standards. And
> >>>then we can add millions more each year for the ones dying of
> >>>occupational diseases or cancer from exposure to cancer causing agents
> >>>at work.
> >> So are you implying the US government committed murder on a mass
> >>scale for the past fifty years?
> >
> >yup fucking raygun did it in Central America. Tricky Dick in Chile.
> Proof?
The U.S. admits that to killing Allende of Chile.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:13:47 +0100
Matt,
Switch you windows computer on. Let it load half way up then switch it off.
Repeat 5 times and see what sort of state windows is in after. Now try this
on a linux box run reiserfs. My boxx only takes 1 second longer to boot up
and doesn't complian once.
Ah well FAT32 just isn't up to it.
BTW I am just a normal user. 18 years old, can't program, doing my
a-levels. After I dumped windows I have never needed a single bit of
windows software. I have found programs from linux that work just fine. And
you may say they have less features. Well I say good. I do not need the
feature creep of windows.
Will you be upgrading to windows XP. Because if you are you had better have
a good machine to run it on. The OS it's self needs 128Mb memory. So that
is a min of 256Mb to run anything on. Plus the recomended disk usage for
the OS is 2GB. That is an Os with no programs that you can do anything with.
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:25:19 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Chad Everett wrote:
> Please tell my how I can give non-administrators permissions to create
> CDs on my Windows 2000 Pro system. Every apps I've tried won't
> let anyone except administrator write to the CD/RW drive. OS's
> fault, not the apps.
Actually, you can do this on Linux if you put people in the "operator"
group, and make the devices "rw" for "group". You could also make the
devices, such as CD/RW world r/w (0666). But then again, that's why
it's the sign of the beast. 8-) A good administrator would be expected
to excercise good judgement in handing out permissions. The default
installation doesn't allow ordinary users write access to I/O devices,
but it can be changed.
Also, on FreeBSD, if I wanted to, I could give ordinary users permission
to mount devices by setting a sysctl variable, although it's disabled by
default, and strongly deprecated. There are better ways to do this,
such as using mtools, or an auto-mounter daemon. Don't know if Linux
supports allowing ordinary users mounting I/O devices.
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From: Mark Hillary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:26:25 +0100
Roy Culley wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I'm damn sick of seeing those stupid "Windows" keys on
>> every frikkin' keyboard I own, including on my
>> laptop.
>>
>> Where can I get tiny penguin stickers to place
>> over that eye-sore?
>
> PC keyboards are crap full stop. Here I am typing on my Sun type-5
> keyboard on a PC running linux. A mate built the adapter and it
> works like a dream. Sun keyboards are second to none IMHO simply
> because they have that wonderful keypad on the left.
>
All sun hardware rocks.
--
Mark Hillary
Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Alex Colvin)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:32:07 GMT
>> > really. Name one piece of microsoft code that didn't originate
>> > on Unix or Macintosh.
Clippy
--
mac the naïf
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:35:01 GMT
[Crossposting trimmed a bit]
On Sat 21 Apr 2001 03:06, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
[Snip Aaron-babble]
> As for writing...? I have no idea how homosexuals write.
*Waves sheepishly*
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:54:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hullo
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on Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:01:48 +0100
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>It's great.
That's not horribly specific. What, precisely, is it that
you like about Win2k that wasn't available in NT4, Win98SE, or WinME?
How about competitive products such as RedHat, Mandrake, Debian,
SuSE, and Slackware, all of which are Linux-based?
Will Windows XP "rock" even more, even though, in the opinion of this
poster, it looks like something more suitable for Fischer-Price than
Microsoft? Do we really need giant-sized idiot-proof icons?
(At one point, NT was touted as "the most reliable operating system"
or some such -- and then Win2k came out as "the even more reliable
operating system". Bizarre.)
Will Win2k allow for arbitrarily large scaling? Linux can work on a
dinky little 386 with 4 megs of memory (granted, it can't do much) all
the way to gigantic iron: an IBM S/390 system. It can also work on a
lot in between -- I have a version installed on an older model SPARC,
for example; it also supports PPCs, Amigas, Ataris, and Macs.
HP is reputed to be working on, or at least lending support to, a
version for their PA RISC line. I suspect Sun might be at
least studying it, with an eye towards improving Solaris.
It's even possible Solaris code might make its way into Linux.
And with such things as KDE and Gnome, Linux et al has a number
of choices of pretty GUIs -- and the Linux ones tend to be
more useful, if one has half a clue. Or one can roll one's own,
albeit that takes a bit of work. (I'll admit I'm weird; Athena
looked extremely ugly but was reasonably easy to work with.
Modern variants have improved on its appearance, though.)
Oodles of software exist for Linux, much of it in source form.
Not sure how many more oodles exist for Linux, and whether there's
more for Linux or for Windows -- one difference I do note is that
Linux software always has source if it's free, whereas Windows
software usually gets just an .EXE or a .DLL. At least, that's
my impression.
Some of it is even useful -- in fact, a lot of Linux freeware
is useful. One example: PostgreSQL, a full-featured relational
database. Another is Gnumeric, a Gnome spreadsheet.
Still another is Lyx (a front-end to TeX or LaTeX, which are both
extremely competent typesetting packages).
So...again...what was it about Windows 2K you liked so much?
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