Linux-Advocacy Digest #757, Volume #34 Thu, 24 May 01 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: The nature of competition ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Time to bitc__ again (daniel)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Time to bitc__ again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux (Terry Porter)
Re: The nature of competition (Mike Marion)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Osugi
Sakae")
Re: Time to bitc__ again (.)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Anonymous)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:13:39 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 17:58:07 -0700, "Paolo Ciambotti"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[snip]
>> The worst thing I have found about *nix sysadmins is that they haven't a
>> clue about anything that has to do with hardware. Totally clueless.
>
>Maybe you should have said "some" or even "most". I was a field service
>engineer for ten years before I landed my first UNIX sysadmin job. I've
>forgotten more about hardware than you'll ever hope to know.
And I was one for 20 years, mainframes, AS/400's and RISC systems.
Ever change a TCM on a 308x/309x/9021?
I've done hundreds......
I spent 3 months up in Endicott / Kingston learning where every wire
went in an IBM / 168
Your point?
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:20:12 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> > > You had complete separate software
> > > for the //e, and it could sort of kind of
> > > emulate the Mac look-and-field with
> > > a special font. It was a pretty cheezy
> > > approach, really.
> > >
> > > What the IIgs had, on the other hand,
> > > was the real deal.
> >
> > Yopu again show your 0 credibility. The GS original desktop was not 16
> > bit, but 8 bit. It ran under ProDos 8.
>
> You are mistaken. Like the Mac, the IIgs had its
> GUI software partly in ROM. The //e mousetext
> software would run on it, sure, but what's the
> point?
>
Now, tell me why, when you launch the desktop on the original system
disks, it runs after booting into ProDOS 8?
> > Mousetext was used for the
> > graphics of the desktop and you could use it on a IIe. You had to pull
> > some files from the GS system disks, but it could be done. I know. I did
> > it. And it was documented in some of the Appl II magazines. Thats were I
> > learned about it.
>
> The mousetext thing did work on //es, but the gs had
> a real GUI. It didn't need it.
--
Rick
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From: daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:20:40 GMT
Its time to do this again. Im not receiving enough spam, havent
alienated enough people who know me, and, well, need to get this off
my chest.
Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
major distributions of Linux.
Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 are laughable in terms of how buggy they
are. Under both of them Gnome and KDE work like crap. Mandrake 8 had
a serious install problem with mice which was know several
pre-releases before the final release but wasnt fixed (their
developers never saw the gazillion threads about this?)
The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
unstable libraries.
Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
but then Gnome didnt launch.
I went and tried to install task-ximian-<whateveritwas> instead of
task-gnome-desktop and things only got even more mucked up. Plus the
instructions on Ximians site for installing to gnome included a
package which didnt exist.
Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
cutting-edge broken ones?
Okay, I just checked and Mandrake seems to still be release updates
for the 7.1 tree. This is excellent, since I intend to go back to it.
I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
public if these sorts of patterns continue?
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:50:21 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> > > You had complete separate software
> > > for the //e, and it could sort of kind of
> > > emulate the Mac look-and-field with
> > > a special font. It was a pretty cheezy
> > > approach, really.
> > >
> > > What the IIgs had, on the other hand,
> > > was the real deal.
> >
> > Yopu again show your 0 credibility. The GS original desktop was not 16
> > bit, but 8 bit. It ran under ProDos 8.
>
> You are mistaken. Like the Mac, the IIgs had its
> GUI software partly in ROM. The //e mousetext
> software would run on it, sure, but what's the
> point?
>
> > Mousetext was used for the
> > graphics of the desktop and you could use it on a IIe. You had to pull
> > some files from the GS system disks, but it could be done. I know. I did
> > it. And it was documented in some of the Appl II magazines. Thats were I
> > learned about it.
>
> The mousetext thing did work on //es, but the gs had
> a real GUI. It didn't need it.
You might want to take a look at this...
http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/a2desk.html
it came on an Apple II gs system disk. It is the Apple II desktop. II,
not e, not gs, II. At the time the e, c and gs were the only Apple IIs
shipping.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:49:24 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 01:20:40 GMT, daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
>major distributions of Linux.
Mandrake 7.2 was a disaster as far as I am concerned.
>Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 are laughable in terms of how buggy they
>are. Under both of them Gnome and KDE work like crap. Mandrake 8 had
>a serious install problem with mice which was know several
>pre-releases before the final release but wasnt fixed (their
>developers never saw the gazillion threads about this?)
Selecting Logitech wheelmouse even if you had one was one way to never
use the mouse again. Solution was to select Intellimouse.
>The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
>with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
With Gnome I had Time bombs all over the place.
Kde wouldn't shut down for me and would freeze up all the time. I
ended up using Enlightenment because although it had bugs, it was
really cool and different.
>I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
>these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
>because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
>unstable libraries.
Heresy!!!!
Not able to compile a kernel!!!!
What good is Linux without being able to compile a kernel :)
You DID read the kernel How-To :)
>Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
>every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
>run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
>and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
>but then Gnome didnt launch.
I call this the big Window manager switcherooo. Everything is running
ok and then you select another WM from the menus and like magic the
entire system get hosed and you can never get your original WM back
again.
>I went and tried to install task-ximian-<whateveritwas> instead of
>task-gnome-desktop and things only got even more mucked up. Plus the
>instructions on Ximians site for installing to gnome included a
>package which didnt exist.
Haven't tried that one myself.
>Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
>talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
>beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
>near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
>insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
>highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
>if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
>cutting-edge broken ones?
They are trying to catch up to where Windows was 2 years ago.
>Okay, I just checked and Mandrake seems to still be release updates
>for the 7.1 tree. This is excellent, since I intend to go back to it.
Whatever you do DON'T install the 7.2 update (if you get around to
running 7.2 that is) it says "Update 1" on the CD, because it will
trash your semi working 7.2 install.
>I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
>basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
>How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
>public if these sorts of patterns continue?
Things have been broken in Linux for years but yet we have all kinds
of new half assed code fragment programs appearing on FreshMeat
everyday.
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Intermediate user who left Windows for Linux
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 May 2001 01:50:46 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:01:04 GMT,
Ed Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <4n%O6.27642$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Techno Barbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Terry Porter wrote:
>>> MS have always been a bit ritcheous, starting with Bill Gates comments
>>> re 'piracy' with his first product, many years ago.
>>
>>Yeah, I read that recently in a book called Hardrive. I believe it had to
>>do with piracy on the Asian market???
No pls see below.
>>
> I think what he is referring to is the full page ad Gates took out
> in Byte and maybe other magazines.
Yes!
>
> A copy is here:
>
> http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html
..................an exerpt.........................................
AN OPEN LETTER TO HOBBYISTS
By William Henry Gates III
February 3, 1976
An Open Letter to Hobbyists
To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack
of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good
software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer
is wasted. Will quality software be written for the hobby
market?
Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to
expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the
initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most
of the last year documenting, improving and adding features to
BASIC. Now we have 4K, 8K, EXTENDED, ROM and DISK BASIC. The value of
the computer time we have used exceeds $40,000.
The feedback we have gotten from the hundreds of people who say they are
using BASIC has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent,
however, 1) Most of these "users" never bought BASIC (less than 10% of
all Altair owners have bought BASIC), and 2) The amount of royalties
we have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent on Altair
BASIC worth less than $2 an hour.
Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal
your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something to
share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?
........................................................................
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:16:45 GMT
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
> Maybe you should have said "some" or even "most". I was a field service
> engineer for ten years before I landed my first UNIX sysadmin job. I've
> forgotten more about hardware than you'll ever hope to know.
What's scary is that we've had field engineers come in before to fix systems,
and we ended up teaching them about new systems. But that's pretty rare. The
point is, some admins are great at hardware just like some hardware
specialists might not be great at all the hardware out there.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
[It's Halloween Kitty gives out raisins]
Kids: "Ewwwww..."
Kitty: "No, raisins are good for you. Raisins are nature's candy."
[As soon as she closes the sliding glass door eggs hit it]
Red: "..and eggs are nature's hand grenade. Kitty, don't give them raisins..
it just pisses them off."
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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:27:06 +0900
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:54:33 +0200, "Mart van de Wege"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>You just don't get it, do you (and neither does Chad)? It's not a
>>*sacrifice*. In the Linux world, software gets written because there is
>>a *demand* for a functionality.
>
> That's a cop out because in many cases those very same features are
> being put to good use by folks in the Win and Mac world so obviously
> there is a demand.
Umm, no. People using what they are given and people demanding something
are different things. Just because some customers use a feature that some
company included doesn't mean that those customers are demanding that
feature.
By your reasoning, in a year or so when many windows users have switched
to XP, you would have to claim that there was a demand for an os which
required activation, and that windows users had asked for a substandard
mp3 encoder. Millions of people are (will be) using / have it on their
computer, so obviously there was some demand for it.
Surely you see the silliness here?
>> If some functionality is not there it means
>>that either not enough people are interested, or that it is not
>>implemented yet (and then it is generally mentioned in the TODO file).
>
> Or that people who are used to making do with what they have just
> continue to do so like the crap fonts in Netscape.
Please, do your really think that linux users are the sort who just
accept the situation and live with it? People like that are found using
windows and mac. linux has gotten where it is today and will continue
advancing because the users work to make it better.
btw, what will you do for a general use put down when linux distros
switch to mozilla and there is no netscape to pick on? A few years ago it
was sound, then it was true-type fonts, then it was antialiased fonts.
Now you are reduced to kicking the dead body (ok, it is braindead but on
life-support) of netscape.
>>That's all there is to it. There is no marketing department that tries
>>to sell us features.
>
> Good thing cause they would be out of business in short order.
Isn't marketting just a way of convincing people to by what you have to
sell? (or is that advertising? Whats the diff?) So who cares? You think
windows is good because they spend a lot marketing it to you?
>> You will get some cognitive dissonance when you buy
>>products that are targeted at Windows users. These are generally heavily
>>marketed and full of promises regarding features. That these features
>>are generally just fluff and chrome and often not even do what is
>>promised is immaterial, you didn't ask for them, they are being marketed
>>to you.
>
> I'll agree with you as far as software (ie: Office suites of which 90
> percent of the features are not used by the typical person) but with
> hardware I disagree.
> I want my mouse to do what it says on the box. I want full use of all
> the features of my sound/video card.
>
> and so forth.
>
> Linux is consistently behind the times in that area.
I still do not understand why winvocates judge an os based on hardware
support. You must know that it is up to the hardware companies to support
their hardware on the os. The companies are in business to make money,
not support one os or another - they decide whether or not to write
drivers based on the economics. So if enough linux users start asking for
drivers (and buying the hardware), then the company will write the
driver. None of this is at all related to the quality of any os.
For almost every other os, if the company
doesn't write the driver no one does. AFAIK, only linux and maybe the
*BSDs have users writing drivers with / in addition to / in place of the
hardware companies. I think this scares MS, because it makes it a little
harder for them to use the hardware companies to kill linux.
>>It's just two different worlds flatty, don't sweat it too much, but *do*
>>try and see things from our perspective.
>
> I see your point, but I'm not one for waiting until a piece of hardware
> has been replaced 3 times by an upgraded version before a Linux driver
> is written that barely works with the first version.
Explain why-about a year and a half ago- my unsupported matrox g400
worked better in linux than in windows where is had supported
(ms-approved) drivers? 3d didn't work under linux (i think- never tried
that hard to get it working) but the everyday stuff was fine. Under
windows, everything was horribly unstable. 3d "worked" but only for a few
minutes (crash!) and even the desktop crashed regularly. Within a few
months, i was getting gpf's on boot up and nothing could fix it. All this
with the ms-approved drivers. So i take winvocates supported hardware
claims with a huge grain of salt.
Also, i seem to recall hearing somewhere recently that nvidia's new
drivers are getting some people better frame rates in linux than in
windows. what does that say about the quality of the os?
--
Osugi Sakae
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: 25 May 2001 02:39:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its time to do this again. Im not receiving enough spam, havent
> alienated enough people who know me, and, well, need to get this off
> my chest.
> Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
> major distributions of Linux.
Why on earth cant you actually spell the word "bitch"? Your "h"
key seems to work...is it linux?
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:43:21 -0400
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
With regards to RedHat 7.1,
I don't understand what the problem
could possibly be.
I installed RedHat 7.1 and it's been
running fine for me for the past few
weeks.
I'm using a Dell Dimension L600cx,
but also installed it on the other
3 Dell Dimension L700cx's I have
plus a Dell Dimension v400c.
All these installations worked fine
with no problems. And they're all running
fine too.
I updated all my RedHat 7.1 installations with
Ximian GNOME, www.ximian.com and use Red Carpet
to subscribe to all the channels to update
everything.
Everything has been working great!
I couldn't be happier!
daniel wrote:
>
> Its time to do this again. Im not receiving enough spam, havent
> alienated enough people who know me, and, well, need to get this off
> my chest.
>
> Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
> major distributions of Linux.
>
> Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 are laughable in terms of how buggy they
> are. Under both of them Gnome and KDE work like crap. Mandrake 8 had
> a serious install problem with mice which was know several
> pre-releases before the final release but wasnt fixed (their
> developers never saw the gazillion threads about this?)
> The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
> with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
>
> I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
> these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
> because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
> unstable libraries.
>
> Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
> every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
> run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
> and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
> but then Gnome didnt launch.
> I went and tried to install task-ximian-<whateveritwas> instead of
> task-gnome-desktop and things only got even more mucked up. Plus the
> instructions on Ximians site for installing to gnome included a
> package which didnt exist.
>
> Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
> talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
> beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
> near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
> insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
> highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
> if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
> cutting-edge broken ones?
>
> Okay, I just checked and Mandrake seems to still be release updates
> for the 7.1 tree. This is excellent, since I intend to go back to it.
>
> I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
> basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
> How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
> public if these sorts of patterns continue?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:50:39 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 11:27:06 +0900, "Osugi Sakae"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>By your reasoning, in a year or so when many windows users have switched
>to XP, you would have to claim that there was a demand for an os which
>required activation, and that windows users had asked for a substandard
>mp3 encoder. Millions of people are (will be) using / have it on their
>computer, so obviously there was some demand for it.
>
>Surely you see the silliness here?
In your example, yes I do, but my example is different.
Using inferior features, like the mp3 encoder and the activation stuff
is silly and stupid and I don't support it anymore than you do.
But.....
I buy a product and on the box it says it has "x" features. I like "x"
features so I buy it. I install it under Linux and I get "x/4"
features. I am not happy.
>
>Please, do your really think that linux users are the sort who just
>accept the situation and live with it? People like that are found using
>windows and mac. linux has gotten where it is today and will continue
>advancing because the users work to make it better.
Yes I do.
One example is the help systems which semi-exist in Linux
distributions. How many times do you click on help only to get a
message saying "Help has not been written yet and I will get to it ass
soon as I can".
This simply does not happen in the Windows world.
>btw, what will you do for a general use put down when linux distros
>switch to mozilla and there is no netscape to pick on? A few years ago it
>was sound, then it was true-type fonts, then it was antialiased fonts.
>Now you are reduced to kicking the dead body (ok, it is braindead but on
>life-support) of netscape.
Mozilla is a behemoth of a disaster and is going nowhere fast.
IE is THE STANDARD by which ALL browsers are and will continue to be
judged.
Mozilla is going to be a disaster just like everything else Netscape
has done recently....
BTW sound is still an issue and so is font's because Linux users are
forced to steal them from their WIndows directories.
>Isn't marketting just a way of convincing people to by what you have to
>sell? (or is that advertising? Whats the diff?) So who cares? You think
>windows is good because they spend a lot marketing it to you?
No. I think Windows is good because it has useful applications and
Linux doesn't, unless you are a programmer or want to spend your
entire lifetime trying to make them work.
>I still do not understand why winvocates judge an os based on hardware
>support. You must know that it is up to the hardware companies to support
>their hardware on the os. The companies are in business to make money,
>not support one os or another - they decide whether or not to write
>drivers based on the economics. So if enough linux users start asking for
>drivers (and buying the hardware), then the company will write the
>driver. None of this is at all related to the quality of any os.
This is a prime example of the classic LinoNut 2-step, blame everyone
else.
Fact is that Windows users and even less Mac users don't give 2 craps
about an OS. We use applications and have the hardware support to be
able to utilize them.
Linonuts seem to be the only ones that like to talk OS.
Quality?
If I want to use a command line 200 characters long, like Terry Porter
posted, to burn a CD maybe.
What a fsking joke!
I can burn one track, take the CD out and burn another track tomorrow
and so forth using SoundForge and I don't have to remember a single
command.
>For almost every other os, if the company
>doesn't write the driver no one does. AFAIK, only linux and maybe the
>*BSDs have users writing drivers with / in addition to / in place of the
>hardware companies. I think this scares MS, because it makes it a little
>harder for them to use the hardware companies to kill linux.
Linux will ALWAYS be behind in drivers because the manufacturers write
for the OS that makes money for them first and then, and that is still
a maybe, they MIGHT get around to writing a Linux version.
>Explain why-about a year and a half ago- my unsupported matrox g400
>worked better in linux than in windows where is had supported
>(ms-approved) drivers? 3d didn't work under linux (i think- never tried
>that hard to get it working) but the everyday stuff was fine. Under
>windows, everything was horribly unstable. 3d "worked" but only for a few
>minutes (crash!) and even the desktop crashed regularly. Within a few
>months, i was getting gpf's on boot up and nothing could fix it. All this
>with the ms-approved drivers. So i take winvocates supported hardware
>claims with a huge grain of salt.
Bullshit!!!
Linux didn't get Twinhead support till recently. Windows had it all
along!!
You are FOS....
>Also, i seem to recall hearing somewhere recently that nvidia's new
>drivers are getting some people better frame rates in linux than in
>windows. what does that say about the quality of the os?
More BS...
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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