Linux-Advocacy Digest #529, Volume #34 Tue, 15 May 01 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office
97/2000? (Bob Tennent)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Robert W Lawrence)
Re: Win 9x is horrid (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Karel Jansens)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Win 9x is horrid ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Oh Chad -- Look at these TCP scores (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office
97/2000? (Logan Shaw)
Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: LILO no boot .. says "LIL-" then just hangs there ("rider web")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS
Office 97/2000?
Date: 15 May 2001 17:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 15 May 2001 18:56:24 +0100, Edward Rosten wrote:
>> I've seen a lot of argument both for and against the Computer Modern
>> font family; the whole farrago smacks to me of Holy War. Might as well
>> argue about whether Vi or Emacs is a better text editor...
>
>Well, they're certainly not _bad_, and I doubt anyone would dispute that.
>Since that is the case, three is a good argument for putting them in the
>PDF spec, that argument being that they're very widely used.
What PDF spec are you speaking of? AFAIK, *any* type 1 font can be
embedded in a pdf file. I've certainly done with this with fonts
that are anything but standard, including CM.
Bob T.
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From: Robert W Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:40:41 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<> Then you admit that it's a choice.
<>
<>Do you think ceberal paulsy a choice? Hint: it isn't genetic.
HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a disease????????
Robert W Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1Peter 5:7
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:17:47 +0200
Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Ok, from c't, issue #9 (23/4-6/5/2001), german edition:
>
> "Our attempt to use a man-in-the-middle attack to listen in on the HTTPS
> connection between Windows-XP and Clearing House...failed: not only does
> XP encrypt the data, but it receives new certificates used for further
> communication...
> Extremely questionable is why Microsoft would go to such lengths to
> simply exchange a few numbers, especially since the numbers are already
> tied to the PC hardware.
> ...The amount of data exchanged during activation leaves all possible
> options open in the light of the complexity of the process: It is
> possible that aside from the necessary data...other information is
> exchanged, it is also possible that the bloat in the data traffic is
> caused by the certificates alone. C't advises not to use the online
> activation until Microsoft makes the process more transparent. In the
> meantime you're better off using the telephone."
>
> Translation and some paraphrasing by me. I'm sure Peter Kohlmann (sorry
> Peter, no umlauts on this keyboard) can confirm that this translation is
> as exact as I can make it.
> One thing is for certain, Microsoft Germany is not going to be happy with
> this article. C't is fairly widely read, and this will mean that their
> callcenter will have some busy times ahead.
>
Yes, Mart, I can confirm that your translation is quite good and did not
distort in any way the original article from c´t.
Peter
--
Get the new Windows XP. Now with eXtra Problems included
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:43:04 +0000
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > On 9 May 2001 00:43:02 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Your car has unique ID numbers etched into 100 locations, all
>> > recorded in
>> >> > a
>> >> > > >corporate database and shared with the police and other dealers -
>> >> > > >you
>> >> > don't
>> >> > > >have a choice. That doesn't bother you? Seen any black
>> >> > > >helicopters
>> >> > lately?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But I own my vehicle outright. It's all mine and it won't refuse
> to
>> > run
>> >> > if
>> >> > > I make improvements to it.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > So don't buy licensed software who's terms you don't agree with.
>> >> > Simple.
>> >>
>> >> I don't.
>> >
>> > Good for you! There, not much of a monopoly MS has got there now is it?
>> >
>>
>> A friend of mine recently wanted to buy a new computer in a store. She
>> did not need the Windows 98 operating system or the applications that
>> came
> with
>> it, so she asked if she could buy a computer without operating system or
>> any applications installed (after all, she already had a decent operating
>> system linux - and all the software she was ever going to need - SuSE).
>>
>> The sales droid told her that this was impossible, as all computers came
>> with Windows software preinstalled.
>>
>> So she asked if she could get a refund if she did not buy the software;
>> after all, all the programs that were installed on the computer were also
>> for sale as separate items in the store.
>>
>> This, the shopinator told her, was also impossible, but when asked why,
> the
>> drone went into maintenance mode.
>>
>> Indeed, this MS monopoly is nothing but a giant fata morgana. It does not
>> exist. People make it up as they go.
>>
>
> I can walk into a computer store and buy all the parts needed to build a
> computer. It will have whatever OS I choose to put on it.
>
> They should bitch to that particular OEM about the deal it signed with MS
> and why it chose to. I think I know the answer but the fault doesn't lay
> with MS. MS offers OEMs a choice. Sign a deal that says you'll only use
> our software preloaded and we'll sell you copies of our software cheaper.
> You don't have to sign but you'll pay regular pricing for the software. We
> won't stop you selling computers but obviously you'll be at a price
> disadvantage.
>
> Try walking into a car dealership and order a car without a motor. You
> intend to drop custom motor of your own design into it. What? They won't?
> Why not? You don't need it, don't want it.... they are forcing you to do
> it!! bastards! Try to buy a new 42" TV without a remote. You've got a
> universal remote, you don't need a remote. It's free? No, you say, the
> price is included so it's not. Hmmm... ok, those bastard monopolizers are
> at it
> again. Can't buy a CD with the jewel case? The list of examples goes on
> and on.
>
> No one forces the OEMs to buy MS - there are obvious advantages and
> disadvantages to the choice which the market place caused to occur but
> these are not the "fault" of MS. Do you blame someone for being
> successful? Now, as we've said, you can buy a computer without Windows
> installed - what you meant to say was that your friend went to a store
> where only computers with Windows preinstalled were sold. That's like
> complaining that you went to a ford dealership and were pissed because
> they refused to sell you a brand new chevy!
>
My friend did not want to build a computer, she wanted to buy one that was
already made. Since all the software that came bundled with the computer
was also available separately on the shelves of the shop, I do not see (and
neither did she) why it was impossible to deliver the PC without the
software at a discount. To me (and to her) this is a sure sign of unethical
bundling practices going on.
Since it was obvious that she would have bought the machine without the
bundled software, it would have been in the store's interest to offer her
the deal. The mere fact that they did not, or could not, indicates that
there is something else going on.
As to finding stores that sell computers without MS software preinstalled
(and which she would be forced to buy, regardless whether she wanted it or
not), uch stores, to her and my knowledge, do not exist in Belgium. She
finally came across a German mail order comany that was more than happy to
sell her a non MS-infested computer, with linux compatible parts. And guess
what, it was a lot cheaper than the MS-preloads in Belgium.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
"You're the weakest link. Goodb - No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!"
===============================================================
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:16:51 -0400
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> I am confused. Do you think homosexuality is genetic or choice?
> > I have heard many gays say that they did not choose to be gay, they say
> > they had NO choice. Its genetic, they say. sky
>
> (I was asking what he thought to illustrate his absurd point of view and
> based on the opinions of gays, I believe there is little or no choice)
>
> That aside, no choice != genetic.
So, you admit that it's a defect.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:23:49 +0100
>> When did BSD cease to become UNIX.
>
> Technically it never was.
Sure it was.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:27:32 +0100
>>sorry.
>
> Accepted.
Thanks. I thought you had e killfiled for a bit, there.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:28:36 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9dqpng$fvt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > Don't weasel out of it. What is your proof?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.netcraft.co.uk/survey/
>> >
>> > Again, Netcraft only counts host names, not servers. The same server
>> > can server 10's, 100's, even thousands of hosts.
>>
>> And why shuold there be more names hosted by UNIX than WinNT?
>>
>> Mabey because it is a lot better at it?
>
> And why should there be more people choosing MS desktop OS's?
> hmmmmmmm.......Maby because it is a lot better at it?
Easy: they don't choose. Go in to your local PC World to buy a prefab
computer. Do you have a chice in OS?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:45:20 GMT
You know, I've been a Windows user since 95 first came out. But more
and more, the product, and the actions of Microsoft (MS) anger me more
and more.
Now with all I'm reading about XP, I've had enough and I'm checking
out all my hardware and I'm putting linux on my machine. The more I
learn about linux, the more I'm impressed.
I feel though we should all encourage others to do the same. It would
be negligence on our part to let MS's treatment of consumers to go
unchallenged. To remain silent and not take action would be an
endorsement of MS's actions.
I think we should begin a simple campaign, encouraging people to be
"Microsoft Free by October 1st" (the release date of WinXP).
With this, people knowledgable in Linux should simply keep making
themselves available to newbies like myself (everyone in the
newsgroups, and in other user groups have been very helpful to me,
thank you guys) who might have questions and need help along the way.
Take action against monopolies and unfair treatment of consumers.
(I know I sound silly, but I've just been pissed off at the latest
articles I've been reading out MS and XP.)
Comments? Flames? Hurrahs?
________________________________________________________
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.geocities.com/sugapablo
(To email me, remove "Sugapablo-" from my email address)
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:45:56 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Köhlmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> Ok, from c't, issue #9 (23/4-6/5/2001), german edition:
>>
>> "Our attempt to use a man-in-the-middle attack to listen in on the
>> HTTPS connection between Windows-XP and Clearing House...failed: not
>> only does XP encrypt the data, but it receives new certificates used
>> for further communication...
>> Extremely questionable is why Microsoft would go to such lengths to
>> simply exchange a few numbers, especially since the numbers are already
>> tied to the PC hardware.
>> ...The amount of data exchanged during activation leaves all possible
>> options open in the light of the complexity of the process: It is
>> possible that aside from the necessary data...other information is
>> exchanged, it is also possible that the bloat in the data traffic is
>> caused by the certificates alone. C't advises not to use the online
>> activation until Microsoft makes the process more transparent. In the
>> meantime you're better off using the telephone."
>>
>> Translation and some paraphrasing by me. I'm sure Peter Kohlmann (sorry
>> Peter, no umlauts on this keyboard) can confirm that this translation
>> is as exact as I can make it.
>> One thing is for certain, Microsoft Germany is not going to be happy
>> with this article. C't is fairly widely read, and this will mean that
>> their callcenter will have some busy times ahead.
>>
>>
> Yes, Mart, I can confirm that your translation is quite good and did not
> distort in any way the original article from c´t.
>
> Peter
>
Thank you Peter,
I thought I did it right, but I had to cross-translate (is that a
word?) from German->Dutch->English, so I wasn't sure, and I remembered
you mentioning that you read c't yourself, hence me asking for the
confirmation.
Danke Sehr, Herr Koehlmann,
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oh Chad -- Look at these TCP scores
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:52:22 GMT
On Tue 15 May 2001 02:33, Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc
>
> Not that TCP scores mean anything (sorry, I still think it's a
> worthless meter); but since you put so much credence into it you may
> wish to consider moving your servers over to Linux ASAP.
>
Looks like somebody at SGI reads c.o.l.a :-)
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Logan Shaw)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS
Office 97/2000?
Date: 15 May 2001 14:53:57 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Tennent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2001 18:56:24 +0100, Edward Rosten wrote:
> >> I've seen a lot of argument both for and against the Computer Modern
> >
> >Since that is the case, three is a good argument for putting them in the
> >PDF spec,
>
>What PDF spec are you speaking of? AFAIK, *any* type 1 font can be
>embedded in a pdf file.
Presumably some spec that says a PDF reader must already have those
fonts installed.
- Logan
--
my your his her our their _its_
I'm you're he's she's we're they're _it's_
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:55:43 GMT
Terry Porter wrote:
>> In the server market, maybe.
>>
>> In the desktop market, Linux is hardly to be seen.
>
> Firstly the desktop market is at the mercy of a certain
> criminal company, who, using preditory trade practices
> have forced manufacturers to sell pc's with *their*
> lame desktop. Search for 'Sherman Antitrust Law' if you
> don't know what that means.
Yet they haven't been punished for it yet, and may not be.
> Secondly, I have had a Linux only desktop since 1997.
Three, four years? Is that all?
> Thirdly, Windows lovers see the world covered in Windows
> desktops, they suffer from a certain personal bias, and
> their observations are therefore suspect.
Just like _your_ opinions suffer from a certain personal bias, and are
therefore just as suspect.
--
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:59:55 GMT
T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>What's this? The worm wiggling on the hook?
>
> Apparently that's what you're doing, yes. Child.
Wiggle on baby!
--
Pete
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From: "rider web" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,dc.org.linux-users
Subject: Re: LILO no boot .. says "LIL-" then just hangs there
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:07:39 -0400
this might help
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/faqs/rhl_general_faq/FAQ-5.html
"Counts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dc3ut$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I installed everything successfully (Slackware 4.1), recompiled a kernel,
> rebooted, everything worked as expected. Then, not long afterwards on
> another reboot, LILO just hangs. I have to boot using a floppy now. Any
> suggestions on how to fix this?
>
> Should I uninstall LILO and then re-install?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Bob
>
>
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