Linux-Advocacy Digest #758, Volume #34 Fri, 25 May 01 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: errunt r kookla threatens lawsuit - oh my ribs! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry
Porter)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Steve Campbell)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Steve Campbell)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Terry Porter)
Re: I have a soft spot now and then :) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP (Terry Porter)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Terry Porter)
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Dave Martel)
Re: Time to bitc__ again ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Anders Lund)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: errunt r kookla threatens lawsuit - oh my ribs!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:50:44 -0400
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> jet wrote:
>
> > Aaron. Please, please, please, have lots of unprotected sex with women with
> > AIDS.
>
> It's kind of hard for Aaron to find the type of woman of his caliber and
> intellect in the area where he lives. After all, there are no trailer
> parks, ghettos, or projects in his area.
So, in other words...I'm quite successful.
Thank you for that admission.
>
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:54:40 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, daniel wrote:
>
>Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
>talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
>beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
>near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
>insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
>highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
>if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
>cutting-edge broken ones?
You'd think so, but commercially motivated software doesn't seem to
work this way :( . It's always about making something pretty, giving it a
nice impressive version number and slamming it out. Like Win95 and Mac OS X,
both rushed out and rather deficient. Now, I'm not really one for distro
advocacy, but just this once I'll say you should use Debian. A non-profit
organisation, their distro might be slightly behind the times, but they do
that to make sure everything's stable. Though IMHO their package manager is
terrible; learned this after manually installing XFree86 4.03 and dselect
went and hosed it down, next X program I installed. Or you could just stick
with Mandrake 7.1 by your own advocacy.
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:58:01 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>fmc wrote:
>>
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > I found this info at:
>> >
>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainfr
>> ame--for_free_1.html
>> >
>> > Anyone knows how to get this access?
>>
>> Yes, read this:
>>
>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainfr
>> ame--for_free_1.html
>
>
>
>When posting long URL's please adjust your line length so that they don't
>get fucked up
>
>
>
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainframe--for_free_1.html
I don't claim to be an expert on 'net standards by any stretch of
the imagination, but aren't all news postings supposed to be wrapped to 76
characters regardless? I know there's some reason for this, but it escapes
me at this time. Any ideas?
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 May 2001 02:56:14 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 13:18:06 +0200, Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> Anyway, any comparision between Access & MySQL is useless. For nearly all
> database work, I would take MySQL (unless I just did the design on Access,
> and later scaled to MS-SQL), for reports, MySQL is not very useful.
<snip>
I'd tend to agree with Ayende here, tho its something im still working on.
For a period of about 4 years, I produced the 'starement of accounts' and
ledger for a newsagent, using Access 2.0. Each month I printed about
a thousand statements that were rolled around each newspaper before delivery.
The statement itself was 1/4 of a A4 page, printed on a Epson Stylus printer
that I modified to be able to print on this thin slip of paper.
Each statement had a wealth of info, including current amount owed, arrears
, each product (clients also had magazines delivered), name and address,etc.
The newsagent had 1000 clients and 74 products overall.
Using Access, the database was easy to design, and the printer setup was
initially hard, but I was able to get it to do what I wanted.
When I went to Linux full time in 1997, I began investigating Postgresql
and Mysql, and found their data entry facility and printing quite barbaric
compared to the ease that Access offered.
But whilst Access has moved on to new versions that cost even more $$
(the original Access that I purchased was not cheap), Postgresql and Mysql
have steadily released newer versions at the original free price :)
Also in the last year or so, a lot of GUI frontends for both Postgresql and
Mysql have apeared with these frontends offering a lot of flexibility. One is
written in TCL, works flawlessly, and as a side note, the TCL Developer that
was used to write this database app, is also free:)
For Postgress:-
http://flex.ro/pgaccess/
Interestingly Access didnt help me learn a lot about SQL, but since I have
been using the free databases above, I have learnt a great deal about the
SQl language and relational databasesin general, and I feel more confident
in the methodology and results.
So far I have been able to print basic invoices and reports using Mysql,
but if I had generate those statements for the newsagent, there is no
way I could do so at this time.
I consider my time spent on Mysql and Postgresql to be more rewarding to
me, if less productive from a 'ease of use' point of view, compared
to Ms Access.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Steve Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:58:56 +0100
I dont normally use this kind of tone but
would you PLEASE fuck off back to windows and give our heads peace. (
flatfish mrore than daniel)
i have not experienced any of these problems to any great extent
i find it hard to belive that you just went along with what mandrake
offered and ended up hosed.
if you object to "half arse code fragments".....
A. errrrrr windows
B. if you think free software is shite, no one is forcing you to use it, go
and pay 1000'sof you local currency unit for some fat code that never
changes and assumes that all machines that run it are identical.
there are some issues with mandrake ( i havent seen debian yet and dislike
redhat as it is a bit serious for my liking) they will be fixed, your
wonderous friend windows is still carryng around bugs that it had 10 years
ago. BTW i think you will find that windows is still trying to catch up to
where unix was circa1975.
linux takes responsibility for hardware that windows doesnt touch.
"my xxxxxcard doesnt work, linux is bollox, it works in windows " is a
common howl
actually it DOESNT most times
after a fresh install of mandrake i have
voodoo support
full sound support
modem running
and network card ready to use
after a full install of windows i have
fuck all
an ulcer
nuff said?
you do raise some very valid points but your negative tone will get you
flamed everytime. ( mind you, you did offer yourself for such like a true
man so kudos to you)
Dont think i havent been frustrrated by some of linuxes quirks, it is just
that i never feel like linux is doing things to me out of spite or groos
ignorance the way windows does.
windows costs me money on a weekly basis, ( clients dislike seeing a bsod
after 3 hours work when you ask the multitasking os to do 2 things at once.)
it isnt fair to judge an os made by satan hiself with a bottomless pit of
money and lawyers to help him steal other peoples work, and a team of
thousands of highly paid ( if utterly dispensible ) minions. To linux, made
by guys in bedrooms and packaged by guys who are talented enough to earn a
lot more monry working for a big company who stay around for teh love of
what they are creating. If linx got the same amount of usefulness per
dollar spent that windows does, it wouldnt even boot. If linux had the
worlds rickest man an imunity from plagarism trials, well i think it might
just be a tiny wee bit better than windows.
If you dont like it fuck off[1]
no one is forcing you unlike other os's i can think of
[1]billy conolly 1983
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2001 01:20:40 GMT, daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
>>major distributions of Linux.
>
> Mandrake 7.2 was a disaster as far as I am concerned.
>
>
>>Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 are laughable in terms of how buggy they
>>are. Under both of them Gnome and KDE work like crap. Mandrake 8 had
>>a serious install problem with mice which was know several
>>pre-releases before the final release but wasnt fixed (their
>>developers never saw the gazillion threads about this?)
>
> Selecting Logitech wheelmouse even if you had one was one way to never
> use the mouse again. Solution was to select Intellimouse.
>
>>The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
>>with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
>
> With Gnome I had Time bombs all over the place.
> Kde wouldn't shut down for me and would freeze up all the time. I
> ended up using Enlightenment because although it had bugs, it was
> really cool and different.
>
>
>>I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
>>these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
>>because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
>>unstable libraries.
>
> Heresy!!!!
> Not able to compile a kernel!!!!
> What good is Linux without being able to compile a kernel :)
> You DID read the kernel How-To :)
>
>>Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
>>every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
>>run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
>>and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
>>but then Gnome didnt launch.
>
> I call this the big Window manager switcherooo. Everything is running
> ok and then you select another WM from the menus and like magic the
> entire system get hosed and you can never get your original WM back
> again.
>
>>I went and tried to install task-ximian-<whateveritwas> instead of
>>task-gnome-desktop and things only got even more mucked up. Plus the
>>instructions on Ximians site for installing to gnome included a
>>package which didnt exist.
>
> Haven't tried that one myself.
>
>>Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
>>talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
>>beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
>>near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
>>insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
>>highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
>>if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
>>cutting-edge broken ones?
>
> They are trying to catch up to where Windows was 2 years ago.
>
>
>>Okay, I just checked and Mandrake seems to still be release updates
>>for the 7.1 tree. This is excellent, since I intend to go back to it.
>
> Whatever you do DON'T install the 7.2 update (if you get around to
> running 7.2 that is) it says "Update 1" on the CD, because it will
> trash your semi working 7.2 install.
>
>
>>I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
>>basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
>>How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
>>public if these sorts of patterns continue?
>
> Things have been broken in Linux for years but yet we have all kinds
> of new half assed code fragment programs appearing on FreshMeat
> everyday.
>
>
> flatfish++++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
>
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From: Steve Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:01:11 +0100
.
No, MS acquired the letter h claiming they invented it
our friend has neglected to pay his £5000 license
wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Its time to do this again. Im not receiving enough spam, havent
>> alienated enough people who know me, and, well, need to get this off
>> my chest.
>
>> Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
>> major distributions of Linux.
>
> Why on earth cant you actually spell the word "bitch"? Your "h"
> key seems to work...is it linux?
>
>
>
>
> -----.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 May 2001 03:12:03 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 12:24:15 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ei5rg$hm7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > 14 to 16 MB's of memory? You have one of the most F'd up Office
>> > configurations imaginable, or your normal.dot is 10MB's strong. No, I
>> doubt
>> > that as I don't think you can code with VBA.
>> > Winword, the executable name for Word, is running on right now on this
> pc.
>> > MS Outlook Express, which you love to hate but love to use, as you did
> to
>> > make this post,
>>
>> Get a life "~¿~" , or better know as, Mr "I'm too chicken to use my real
>> name".
>
> I love how you clipped out the relevant part of my post -- the part about
> your assertions of gross memory usage of the MS product vs. the other word
> processors. Typical ad hominem low brow retort.
> My posts here average one a day. Your average is ???? Who is in need of this
> 'life' you speak of?
> Trying to divert attention away from the fact that you have once again
> squarely driven your foot in your mouth by making claims you can't back up
> with facts is only surpassed by the way you turn to juvenile attacks when
> caught doing so. Besides, your the type of guy that I have zero fear of.
What a Ubermoron, hes not scared of a Kiwi, hahahahahahaahh!
They'll hold ya up in the air by the skull (using only one hand), while they
bite ya feet off, you twit.
In one classic battle with the English, the Maori warriors, went and re-loaded
the guns of the dying soldiers, cause the battle wasn't lasting long enough!
>
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: I have a soft spot now and then :)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:26:48 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Edward Rosten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 22 May 2001 14:25:32 +0100
<9edlri$gbn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>Yeah! You've got your old sig back :-)
>>>
>>>-Ed
>>
>> I like your Psycho Rat one better :)
>
>Have you tried printing it yet?
>
>Put
>
>%!PS-Adobe-2.0
>
>as the first line, then print it on your nearest PS printer, or using
>Ghostscript.
Rangecheck in roll, here.
(A pity. I like cool hacks. Yes, I cut and paste it accurately,
after widening my xterm to >80 characters.)
[.sigsnip]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random check here
EAC code #191 24d:20h:45m actually running Linux.
You're going to do *what* *where* *when*?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 May 2001 03:28:52 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 15:03:42 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 17:16:36 +1200, "Matthew Gardiner"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>lol
>>
>>btw, I am still testing SP2. Fucked up once and had to re-install Windows
>>2000 from scatch. So much for a great OS by Flatfish's account.
>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>
>
> No.... So much for your ability to follow directions when you
> installed it.
>
> It's on 3 systems now and works perfectly.
Naturally you *do* have three licences ??
Quick quiz Wintroll, who said :-
"As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you steal your software.
Hardware must be paid for, but software is something
to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?
??
--
Kind Regards
Terry
--
**** ****
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 May 2001 03:25:54 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 01:49:24 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2001 01:20:40 GMT, daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
>>basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
>>How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
>>public if these sorts of patterns continue?
The same way that Windows advocates do, when they know full well that
it suffers from instability, tens of thousands of virii, and constant
expensive 'upgrades'.
>
> Things have been broken in Linux for years
Notice the lack of facts?
> but yet we have all kinds
> of new half assed code fragment programs appearing on FreshMeat
Hahahahah "Code fragement programs" LOL!
Flattie, you really do Linux a favor, by showing the COLA readers
how stupid a Wintroll (you) can be.
> everyday.
Read... "Flattie is really pissed off that he can't use the many
(up to 90 a day) new apps that are listed on Freshmeat, as he
has no idea how to install them."
Actually installing Linux source code is (in most cases) a *simple*
thing, but Flatties never been up it.
>
>
> flatfish++++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:17:37 -0600
On Fri, 25 May 2001 03:58:56 +0100, Steve Campbell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I dont normally use this kind of tone but
>would you PLEASE fuck off back to windows and give our heads peace. (
>flatfish mrore than daniel)
>i have not experienced any of these problems to any great extent
>i find it hard to belive that you just went along with what mandrake
>offered and ended up hosed.
Haven't you noticed? Making up problems they've supposedly suffered
firsthand is the latest wintroll fad. But then lies and FUD about the
opposition always has been a Microsoft trademark.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:39:38 GMT
On Fri, 25 May 2001 03:58:56 +0100, Steve Campbell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I dont normally use this kind of tone but
>would you PLEASE fuck off back to windows and give our heads peace. (
>flatfish mrore than daniel)
Huhh?
What a convoluted mess of a reply....
Have you been drinking?
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
------------------------------
From: Anders Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,linux.redhat
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 05:54:38 +0200
daniel wrote:
> Its time to do this again. Im not receiving enough spam, havent
> alienated enough people who know me, and, well, need to get this off
> my chest.
>
> Im really disappointed with the current sorry state of three of the
> major distributions of Linux.
>
> Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 are laughable in terms of how buggy they
> are. Under both of them Gnome and KDE work like crap. Mandrake 8 had
> a serious install problem with mice which was know several
> pre-releases before the final release but wasnt fixed (their
> developers never saw the gazillion threads about this?)
> The latest Gnome and KDE both are funky. Gnome has a serious problem
> with window focus. KDE likes to freeze and is basically unusable.
Well for most of us both work like a charm. I prefer KDE to gnome because
of it's better GUI and integration, but whenever I log into GNOME it works
fine.
> I also havent been able to sucessfully compile a kernel on either of
> these. Everytime I read the threads I see that there are broken libcs
> because they are rushing to get 2.4 releases out the door and using
> unstable libraries.
Again, many of us don't see those problems. The glibc have funny habits,
but nothing that can't be easily solved if you can read.
> Lets see Ive installed Debian 3 or 4 times in the past week and on
> every single installation it was like extracting teeth to get X to
> run. Once I did get X to run and Gnome was running on top of blackbox
> and twm. Okay. I finally managed to get sawmill or sawfish to run
> but then Gnome didnt launch.
> I went and tried to install task-ximian-<whateveritwas> instead of
> task-gnome-desktop and things only got even more mucked up. Plus the
> instructions on Ximians site for installing to gnome included a
> package which didnt exist.
Never tried the ximian things besides a short look at nautilus and
evolution, they seem to live in their own world with no intend to deal with
the rest of the world, so I didn't get tempted to go further that way.
> Basically this is so upsetting because late last year people were
> talking about Linux on the desktop and at that point things were
> beginning to work great. Mandrake 7.1 in my opinion was a work of
> near-perfection and worked almost flawlessly. Why do these distros
> insist on pushing forward and putting out cutting-edge recent, yet
> highly buggy releases? Why not just keep improving and existing one
> if it works? Wouldnt they make more money off working products than
> cutting-edge broken ones?
If you want proven stability, stick with an older distro. If people don't
get to use and try the new things they /never/ moves forward. It is part of
the way open source software is developed, people use cutting edge
software, finds bugs and possible improvements and make them happen. If you
don't like it buy some paper and a pen.
If you read over what professionals and journalists think of theese dists,
you'll see that they like them! They find things improved and working well.
Not that there are no problems, but things improves all the time, and the
fact that a company like mandrake hires a bunch of developers to work on
the Linux kernel, KDE, GNOME and other free software with the money they
earn from their distributions is a big help. Lots - most - of the code
making up your system is written by volunteers in their free time, and if
you don't wan't distributors to make money to support the development you
should find yourself another OS.
> Okay, I just checked and Mandrake seems to still be release updates
> for the 7.1 tree. This is excellent, since I intend to go back to it.
Wouldn't go back there for money:)
> I am surprised that none of these distros seem to be doing enough even
> basic level QA to realize that things are broken. Whats up with this?
> How can anyone advocate Linux on the desktop to a potentially critical
> public if these sorts of patterns continue?
>
Even with the problems there are, I have a more stable, better looking and
more flexible desktop that windows ever gave me. I feel confident that the
small problems with hardware and safe installation will be solved. If the
distributors keeps on putting out new versions that is...
-anders
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