Linux-Advocacy Digest #992, Volume #34 Tue, 5 Jun 01 20:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows advocate of the year. (drsquare)
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. (drsquare)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (drsquare)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (drsquare)
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) (drsquare)
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) (drsquare)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (drsquare)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (drsquare)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (drsquare)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (drsquare)
Re: SourceForge hacked! (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: UI Importance (drsquare)
Re: Best Distribution? (drsquare)
Re: The nature of competition (drsquare)
Re: Completely off-topic. (mlw)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Stephen Edwards)
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows advocate of the year.
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:05 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:59:26 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <HE9T6.8048$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:871yozutch.fsf@acs-24-154-37-
>>> I would say Erik F., but at times he makes excuses for Microsoft intead
>>> of just admitting "well, OK, MS really shouldn't do things this way".
>>
>> I don't "make excuses". You are simply judgemental, and unwilling to
>> accept that any viewpoint other than your own can be right. I don't see
>> things in black and white, but rather shades of grey.
>
>The rest of us see in colour ;-)
Yeah, but Windows wouldn't recognise his colour video card!
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:05 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:27:37 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)) wrote:
>"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>news:9fhc81$qne$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>> <snip>
>>> > Yeah, but come on, all those scabs living in 3rd world places are
>>> > hardly going to be able to afford to get on the internet are they?
>>>
>>> Why worry about internet demand in the 3rd world? Just the US could
>>> easily swamp the existing address space - when every computer, phone,
>>> tv, radio, fridge, freezer, toaster, coke machine, stove, alarm
>>> system, cctv system and table lamp has its own IP address! And that's
>>> only for starters...
>>
>> No way in hell.
>> We are talking *128 bits* number.
>
>Eh? for *existing* address space? Nope.... I think you must have misread my
>post or replied to the wrong one! :-) We arn't on IPv6 yet (well, most of
>us anyway!).
Why not? When is ip6 'coming out'?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:06 +0100
On 5 Jun 2001 18:31:52 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)) wrote:
>drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 05 Jun 2001 02:04:00 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>>>>>Norti!
>>>>
>>>> What the HELL are you talking about?
>>>
>>>Its called *humour* (sometimes) so lighten up please.
>>>
>>>Dr Square, I meant that as Agent is NOT free, someone had to pay for it,
>>>are you saying that is was a gift ?
>
>> No, I cracked it.
>
>Interesting. Adam at Forte thinks so to. Heres to headers.
Indeed.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:07 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:20:36 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> What the HELL are you talking about?
>>>
>>>Its called *humour* (sometimes) so lighten up please.
>>>
>>>Dr Square, I meant that as Agent is NOT free, someone had to pay for it,
>>>are you saying that is was a gift ?
>>
>> No, I cracked it.
>
>40w v3ry l33t 0f u.
t|-|/-\1\1><
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:08 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:06:39 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:43:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
>>Of course he's right. Perish the thought that a user or sysadmin
>>might actually use ls, cat, or less to look around for a series of
>>text instructions such as AAAREADME, README, README.1st, INSTALL,
>>or anything like that!
>
>I have nothing against cli i use it all the time.
>
>Why should anyone have to look around to find instructions?
Um, normally they're in the directory the programs in.
>flatfish+++
>"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
Because he's a homosexual. Just like Kulkis.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:09 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:45:34 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:43:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> 1. The instructions that are supposed to tell me how to do this are in
>> a format I can't read using Windows. There are 6 different versions of
>> this file. Install, install1, installmefirst, installdos etc.
>>
>> While I can sort of view and decipher this in notepad the text is not
>> formatted and strung out all over the place and some letters do not
>> translate properly so it is a mess.
>
>Wordpad is your friend for reading Unix formatted text. It's to do with the
>way line breaks are handled on *nix and WIndows. *nix uses a CR (I
>believe), while Windows using a CR LF.
The only reason it (flatfish) is having problems is because it's using
notepad, the shitest editor ever invented.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:10 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 18:43:39 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:54:13 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>>
>>>If I object to, and repelled by, someone who dumps poison in the food of
>>>other people sitting at the table, is that supposed to indicate that I
>>>have some "inner conflict" or is it my RATIONAL recognition that this
>>>person is a clear and present danger to EVERYBODY he comes into contact with.
>>
>>Admit it Aaron, you're just coming up with all this shit to try and
>>justify your homophobia. You're not fooling anyone.
>
>If he finds their behavior distasteful, that's certainly his right.
>But, the claim that they harm the population at large by spreading
>hepatitis, is a bit wacko.
But it's understandable when you consider how he was probably brought
up.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:10 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:54:07 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >now....kindly REFRAIN from all acts which make you a walking public
>> >health threat, and DISCOURAGE everyone else from same.
>> >
>>
>> Methinks he doth protest too much!
>
>There is no such thing as too much protest against people who
>stupidly contract several deadly diseases.
Well, you seem to have contracted about 17 mental illnesses...
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:12 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:10:42 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Spot the disease-ridden homosexuality promoter.
Is he related to your gay lover?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:12 +0100
On 05 Jun 2001 22:14:00 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen)) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (drsquare) wrote on 03.06.01 in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 00:12:30 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>> >Are you trying to end up in everyone's kill file along with Kookis?
>>
>> Yep.
>
>Glad to be of service. *plonk*
Don't mention it.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:13 +0100
On 05 Jun 2001 22:15:00 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen)) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote on 03.06.01 in <9fbobk$d7d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> >>> >>What's a dalsehood?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >typo(-d +f), presumably.
>> >>>
>> >>> How can you do that? They're on opposite sides of the keyboard.
>> >>
>> >>d & f ? They are right next to each other in QWERTY keyboard.
>> >
>> > Who said I had a qwerty keyboard?
>>
>> No one. They said that dalsehood was typed by someone with a querty
>> keyboard (fairly likely).
>
>What do you have against qwertz keyboards? And I suspect (but dont know)
>that azerty keyboards are also similar.
qwertz keyboards are crap, that's what I have against them.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:14 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:51:19 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> The first couple of letters and a tab usually works for me. How do you
>> pick them on a GUI anyway? What are the keys to move a file to the
>> floppy?
>
>SHIFT+F10 (or right windows key, if you have one)
>T
>Right Arrow
>Enter
>
>(or copy *.* A:)
I think the second option is easiest.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:15 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:44:43 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >Just like we do in the GUI.
>>
>> In a GUI there is no discipline, you just put thing where you want.
>
>There is no built-in discipline for where to put files in either style
>of interface.
>
>Proof: Windows can run GUI as well as CLI, and both have facilities that
>allow you to thoroughly hose your filesystem.
Yes, but Windows' CLI is a piece of crippled shite.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:15 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:46:37 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Depends. For example:
>> >
>> > mkdir \progra~1\irfanview
>> > cd \progra~1\irfanview
>> > pkunzip \download\iview336.zip
>> > dir
>> > iview
>>
>> And if you were using tab complete you could quarter that time.
>
>And if you were using a GUI, you'd merely doubleclick on the installer
>icon. }:-b
And that would automatically install everything, with no more input
from the user?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:16 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:48:24 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >People will learn only just as much as they absolutely have to. In DOS'
>> >days, they had to learn all of that in order to use a computer.
>> >Today, they don't.
>>
>> They didn't HAVE to then, but doing so severely increased their
>> efficiency, and decreased their dependency on PC World every time
>> something went wrong.
>
>The class of people who bought Apple II, CP/M, and later DOS computers
>is a subset of people who buy computers today. Macintosh, and later
>Windows, brought computing to people who otherwise would not use
>computers.
Yeah, complete idiots.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:17 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:51:18 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Then text, no naming scheme that has pattern. You can pick the files
>> >in the GUI, you'll have to type them, on by one, on the CLI.
>>
>> The first couple of letters and a tab usually works for me. How do
>> you pick them on a GUI anyway? What are the keys to move a file to
>> the floppy?
>
>I think you are missing the entire point!
>
>With a GUI, you click-drag an icon representing a file to another icon
>representing either a directory, a mountable volume, or a list of files
>to be deleted.
Which is fine as long as the target directory is in view, and not
buried under about 6 recursions, all in massive directories, meaning
you have to scroll all over the place.
>Demanding to use the keyboard in a GUI is like having a
>CLI but demanding to use the switches-and-lights interface to input your
>own file-delete program.
It's nothing of the sort. Since when does a UI being graphical mean
using the mouse?
>What? Your computer doesn't have a switches-and-lights interface? And
>you call yourself a real programmer! }: )
No, I just use a special laser to etch onto the disk!
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:18 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:52:48 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Compare that to a GUI, where you don't even get any options, you just
>> >> get what you're given, unless of course you want to go editing
>> >> shorcuts to put some arguments in, or using some shoddy built in
>> >> configuration tool. Personally, I like complete control over what I'm
>> >> doing with my command.
>> >
>> >What options do you get on the CLI that aren't given you?
>>
>> Arguments. Pipes. Redirection. Command history
>
>Granted, those are wonderful cool ways to combine little programs to do
>cool things which no GUI I know of has found a way to do, but they are
>not parameters to individual programs or functions.
I didn't realise we were talking about parameters.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:18 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:01:39 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Sure it does. If I want to get a project done, should I pick an
>> >application that's suited to what I'm doing, or pick a different one and
>> >spend all this time customizing it?
>>
>> You'd rather use a program that forces you into a certain ui, than be
>> able to change it to your own specifications?
>
>Yes. I'd rather have a program made to a good usable UI that follows
>common standards that make sense than have a program that I have to
>"customize" merely so it follows what everybody else is doing.
Even if you don't agree with what everyone else is doing? Sorry, but I
don't do things just because everyone else does, I like to do things
the way I want to do them. Unlike you, I am not a sheep.
>Finally, skins are not customization and are not a substitute for good
>UI design.
Who mentioned skins?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:20 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:21:06 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <9fieej$snh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
><don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What is the the output of this program?
>
>I think there's an error in your example. As written, I expect that to
>cause a compilation error. 'i' is not an array, yet you access it as
>one. Did you mean
It compiled for me no problems.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:19 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:07:58 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >The advantage of a GUI is that it can even be programmed to make
>> >impossible combinations impossible, or warn you that you're about to
>> >destroy the universe.
>>
>> You can have warnings in a CLI as a matter of fact.
>
>Fine. I never denied that. What I said was in response to the false
>statement that in "a GUI, where you don't even get any options, you just
>get what you're given."
You do. The only way you can change it is by using a somewhat sizeous
in-program configurator, which is nothing but an inconvenience.
>> >I think that the anti-GUI attitude illustrated by that snippet only
>> >damages the user community. It encourages programmers to disrespect
>> >their lay users.
>>
>> The lay users deserve nothing but disrespect.
>
>Asshole.
>
>Oh! Was that disrespectful? I can't tell you how sorry I am.
Where did that come from?
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:21 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:05:47 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >A CL program can be written to do exactly one thing one way, or it can
>> >have ten man pages worth of options. Similarly, a command in a GUI
>> >application can do one hting with no options, or it can open a dialog
>> >box sporting half a dozen checkboxes, radio buttons, and text fields on
>> >each of several tabbed panes.
>>
>> Yes, and that's nice and quick to use. Never mind typing "-t -y -e 45
>> -p 78", which takes a second, you can type "ctrl+tab, alt+t, space,
>> ctrl+tab, ctrl+tab, alt+y, space, ctrl+tab, alt+e, 45, ctrl+tab,
>> alt+p, 78"
>
>And on the CLI you'll have to memorize all of this options, the GUI allow
>you to just see them.
Oh no, memorising a few little flags ONCE... With the GUI equivalent,
it's good for the first few times, but after that, you just don't need
it. Programs should be designed for long term use, not just the first
few times.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:22 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:06:59 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >What options do you get on the CLI that aren't given you?
>>
>> Arguments.
>
>Exist in GUI as well.
Really? I'm perplexed. How does one send an argument to a program when
the only way of accessing it is
>> Pipes. Redirection.
>
>Are those the same thing? If not please explain the difference.
A pipe sends the stdout of the previous command into the stdin of the
next command. Redirection allows you to direct the stdin, stdout or
stderror to a file or a device.
So if I did this:
$ ls | more
I would send a directory listing to the program "more"[1], which would
show it a page at a time. Whereas if I did this:
$ ls > more
I would send a directory listing to a file called "more" in the cwd.
>> Command history.
>
>Not needed because it's not in the GUI nature.
So how do I automatically repeat what I've just done?
[1] Obviously in a real life situation I'd be using the more
featureful "less"
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:23 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:14:37 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >I use key strokes to control the GUI.
>> >GUI doesn't mean "no keyboard".
>>
>> It does with a lot of programs.
>
>It doesn't with *good* programs.
Well then, most programs aren't "good".
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:24 +0100
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:17:30 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>> You can get some dll from winfiles.com that makes the icons of
>> pictures an actual thumbnail of the picture itself. It's good if
>> you've got a fast computer and a small resolution.
>
>Actually, it's better on NTFS, because explorer has this ability built in,
>and if the image is on NTFS, it stores a thumbnail of this photo in a
>stream, so it doesn't have to re-calcuate it every time your view the
>directory.
Mind you, once the novelty wears off, it gets quite irritating.
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Distribution?
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:24 +0100
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 21:05:24 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> drsquare wrote:
>>> >If you have your whole email address at some point, some automated
>>> >software will pick it up and start spamming you. That's why there's
>>> >lots of wired variations, such as mine,below.
>>>
>>> >(u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>>>
>>> So this translates to u98ej r@**************ecs.ox.ac.uk ?
>>
>> Well that's one to the spammers then. I am sure Edward will thank you
>> for that!
>GAK!
>
>I wouldn't have noticed if you didn't point it out :-)
Never mind, I bet the spam bots will never pick up any addresses like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], or even
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:16:25 +0100
On 5 Jun 2001 20:28:16 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred K Ollinger)) wrote:
>: In my experience, I find W2k just as fast in visually perceptive tasks...
>: and faster in GUI operations. I rely on benchmarks from *3rd* parties to
>
>Which gui? I use black box. I would probably use windows if more if blackbox
>was a default install.
Blackbox is atrocious. Icewm is the only one to use, esp. with the
wooden looking theme.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Completely off-topic.
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:19:29 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > "Reported in Audubon Society Magazine:
> >
> > A Mexican newspaper reports that bored Royal Air Force pilots stationed on
> > the Falkland Islands have devised what they consider a marvelous new game.
> >
> > Noting that the local penguins are fascinated by airplanes, the pilots
> > search out a beach where the birds are gathered and fly slowly along it at
> > the water's edge. Perhaps ten thousand penguins turn their heads in unison
> > watching the planes go by, and when the pilots turn around and fly back, the
> > birds turn their heads in the opposite direction, like spectators at a
> > slow-motion tennis match. Then, the paper reports, "The pilots fly out to
> > sea and turn directly to the penguin colony and over-fly it.
> >
> > Heads go up, up, up, and ten thousand penguins fall over gently onto their
> > backs."
>
> This is quite an old story. The RAF funded research to see if their low
> flying over penguin colonies did affect the penguins. The result was
> that yes penguins do follow the aircraft but they don't fall over.
The question is, and we will never know, is.. Did the penguins learn not to
fall over?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:11:37 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Spot the disease-ridden homosexuality promoter.
LOL! Naw, Kulkis isn't a homophobe in denial!
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Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Edwards)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:24:32 GMT
Seven rabid koala bears with eucalyptus spittle dribbling from their
mouths told me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GreyCloud) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Stephen Edwards wrote:
>>
>> Seven rabid koala bears with eucalyptus spittle dribbling from their
>> mouths told me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GreyCloud) wrote in
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> >Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> et. ..
>> >> > "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> >> > > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
>> >> > > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
>> >> > > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard
>> >> > because they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux
>> >> > to run on their mainframes. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying
>> >> it to run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
>> >>
>> >> So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being
>> >> greater than the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps
>> >> confirm that Windows>Linux - is that what you meant?
>> >
>> >Not at all. IBM is more efficient than microsoft and I know quite a
>> >few of their employees... gawd I sure wouldn't want to get under an
>> >MRI made by Microsoft!
>>
>> Begging your pardon, but where did you ever get
>> the idea that a coporate organization with IBM's
>> overhead is "more efficient" than Microsoft.
>Easy, first they are taking a product (linux) and then refining for the
>mainframes instead of taking it from the ground up... I consider that
>very efficient.
No, that's not efficiency. Assuming that the scenario
which you are describing is true, it's awfully similar
to why they used an open architecture for their original
IBM PC. They know that it would take years if they were
to do it right, so they've decided to do it quickly
instead.
In other words, they are taking jagged shortcuts to
avoid their own overhead. That is NOT efficiency.
>> Microsoft is significantly smaller (infrastructure-
>> wise) than IBM, and I cannot see how this is possible
>> in any way.
>
>Note that many writers for various publications take note in the premise
>that microsoft products "Weren't invented here". No real inside
>innovations. Also the fact that IBM makes more than just computers
>which in turn makes it a larger company.
Irrelevant, and not necessarily completely factual.
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