Hi, This RBL, even if is a bit extremist, is something used by a few of our customers's commercial spam filtering product.
So this affects not just me, but others, but I am getting the feeling here that the messenger is getting shot, and we are giving a lean hand to the ISPs, as it is too difficult to "protected themselves". But if you are happy with the level of service Israeli ISPs are giving, enjoy, I think for one, customers should demand better. This debate brings me back to the day when Code Red was bringing down servers, and people complained that ISPs wouldn't block offending computers, and the ISPs retaliated with freedom of speak and moving response - silly. Same here, the ISP should prevent SPAM I don't care how, but they should, I am working with T-Mobile both in Europe and in United States, and you (as an end customer) send out mail directly unless it goes through their SMTP servers - if you have a VPN do whatever you want. BTW The company takes money in order to discourge people from nagging them to get removed. On Thursday 24 July 2008 15:45:03 Imri Zvik wrote: > Noam, > Again, and I will try to type it slowly so you can understand - You are > talking about *ONE* RBL, which is notorious for blocking whole AS, and > refusing to work with it's abuse departments. You are clinging to this > RBL listing as if being listed at this particular RBL means that we (as > in Israel or the ISP) are now completely cut-off from the world, or that > if you are listed in this RBL it means your ISP is doing nothing to > fight abuse. > > It's either you misunderstand how extreme this RBL is, and how fast and > for how little they block a whole AS, or you are just trying to flame. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noam Rathaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:09 PM > To: Imri Zvik > Cc: Omer Zak; linux-il > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > Hi, > > You are right, it is easy to get RBLed, and semi-easy to get out of an > RBL, > but it doesn't help to email abuse@ or anything else, if your ISP is > marked > as bad. > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 14:31:48 Imri Zvik wrote: > > *Sigh* Don't you have anything better to do? I can report that Israeli > > ISPs get decent cooperation (well most of the times, and from most > > RBLs). No one is going to block Israel completely. > > > > If you have a specific email that was blocked, or a specific RBL (with > > reasonable demands) you want to be removed from, please email abuse@ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omer Zak > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:38 PM > > To: linux-il > > Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting > > > > I have E-mailed my ISP about this. > > > > You may want to add to your E-mail to your ISP also your concerns that > > since ALL Israeli ISPs are blacklisted, the entire country is in > > danger > > > of being backlisted as a country. > > > > While the real reason for such an action would be political, the spam > > handling situation is too convenient excuse to pass up. > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:57 +0300, Noam Rathaus wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has anyone here tried to get the Bezeq Internation, Barak or > > Netvision > > > to get > > > > > them off the blacklisting found here: > > > http://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php > > > > > > Apparently all the Israeli ISP are blacklisted here (any host you > > put > > > there in > > > > > their hosting range) - and all because they don't have a policy of > > > > cleaning > > > > > up their network from spammers. > > > > > > This means we are all losing emails we send because our ISPs are > > doing > > > a bad > > > > > job. -- Noam Rathaus CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.beyondsecurity.com "Know that you are safe." Beyond Security Finalist for the "Red Herring 100 Global" Awards 2007 ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
