Linux-Misc Digest #591, Volume #18 Wed, 13 Jan 99 01:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Edfel Rivera)
Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike? (Glen Turner)
Re: how to use libc5 to compile peograms in redhat 5.2 (Robert Lynch)
ethernet install problems (Robert Canright)
Re: Red Hat 5.2 is great, But............ (Scallica)
Re: Linux should not support non-free modules (MalkContent)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (David Steuber)
Re: setuid for pppd ("Rick Glunt")
Re: setuid for ppd ("Rick Glunt")
Re: Partitions (citizen)
Re: Linux-box dying on me... (Bob Hauck)
Re: * and dot files (Rob Mahurin)
Re: Linksys EtherFast 10/100 Card (Neil Zanella)
Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX? ("Mike Strong")
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Craig Kelley)
Re: Stable Word Processor (Andreas Jung)
Linux LVM (was "things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...") (Andreas Dilger)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edfel Rivera)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:15:57 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:07:51, "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The curtain is coming down on a feeble case presented by the government, a
> federal government agency and state attorney-generals, certain of them, who
> have decided to do the bidding of competitors of Microsoft, competitors who
> have been largely unsuccessful in competing on the merits of their
> technology in the marketplace. In its rush to judgment, the government has
> failed to stop and learn about the benefits to customers, consumers of the
> innovation and the low prices that Microsoft has championed and made reality
> in the PC software marketplace today.
>
> You heard just this morning the government's summary witness, their leading
> expert acknowledge under oath that he has not detected any harm to consumers
> because of any of Microsoft's activities of which he is aware. The evidence
> of the government's own case, even before we have begun to present our
> evidence, shows clearly that there is considerable benefit to consumers from
> the innovation and low prices that is a hallmark of Microsoft's business
> model.
>
> What Mr. Fisher has been saying for the last several days is that he
> believes, as a paid expert for the government, that there may come a day
> when Microsoft may be in a position to perhaps consider doing something
> which might, in some circumstances, create some measure of harm to some
> consumers in this country of ours. That, ladies and gentlemen, is raw
> speculation. This is supposed to be fact-based litigation. And the
> government hasn't begun to meet the burden of coming forward and making a
> case that there is anything that Microsoft has done which constitutes a
> violation of the anti-trust laws of this country in a way which has harmed
> consumers. On the contrary, the evidentiary record shows that Microsoft's
> activities have helped consumers. That's the business we're in.
>
> The tying case is dead on arrival, probably wouldn't have even been pled by
> the government if they were aware of what the court of appeals said in June
> when they decided to rush to file the complaint in May.
>
> The allegation that Microsoft's deals with OEMs and ISPs and ICPs are
> somehow exclusionary never got out of the starting blocks, because in order
> to prove that they are exclusionary within the meaning of the anti-trust
> law, the government has to prove that there has been some significant
> foreclosure of the opportunity of competitors to get their technology to the
> marketplace. The government is about to rest without producing any evidence
> of any significant foreclosure, no attempt to measure it because they
> cannot. The fact is there are lots and lots of channels by means of which
> rivals can get their technology to the marketplace. Netscape's problem has
> never been distribution. Netscape's problem has always been, as is the
> challenge to anyone in this business, creating technology that's useful,
> easy to use, that people want, and making that technology available at an
> affordable price. All of the talk about Microsoft's meeting with other folks
> in the industry will be fully explained by eyewitness accounts during
> Microsoft's case. The government's overreliance on e-mail snippets will be
> disproven by people who will be able to put that e-mail in the proper
> context.
>
> All of you understand facts and truth. What you've been subjected to in the
> government's case in terms of those e-mails is just isolated examples of
> language which they think helps them. That's not the basis on which the
> United States government can hope to prevail in an anti-trust case.
>
> Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
> witnesses on the stand. You've seen the first example of the kind of
> testimony you're going to get from Microsoft's witnesses. This case is going
> to change. We're going to go from speculation and snippets and rhetoric to
> facts and fair analysis and sound conclusions. And we look forward to
> sharing with you evidence that's reliable and that supports the conclusion
> that Microsoft is doing what consumers want it to do. We're making it
> possible for people to be better informed, more productive, and more
> efficient in their workplace, in their homes and in areas of education. We
> look forward to that and hope you'll be here to watch and hear all of it.
>
> Thank you.
What's this? You could post pro microsoft stuff in Windows-related
newsgroups. It seems we have varios pro-microsoft spies here. Like
various years back when they 'trashed' OS/2 in BBS discussions. Get
out of here <BG>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:36:16 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike?
Sean Yamamoto wrote:
> Legally speaking, Linux is not UNIX because the source code
> tree isn't derived from their tree.
Actually The Open Group is willing to provide a license
to the trademark to anyone that meets the UNIX specification:
the history of the source code doesn't count.
Linux deliberately doesn't meet this specification. For
example, the UNIX(TM) spec has two networking APIs: sockets
and TLI. Linus decided that adding TLI to Linux would
lead to a poorer OS, given that almost all networking apps
uses the sockets API.
Although Linux strives for POSIX and UNIX compatibility,
it also tries to avoid some the design mistakes of UNIX(TM),
and thus can't claim to be a UNIX(TM) or UNIX(TM)-compatible
system.
Thus Linux is descibed as a UNIX-like operating system.
In practice, it will run most source code written to
the UNIX(TM) spec and almost all source code written to the
POSIX spec.
Some people, myself included, one day expect that the
UNIX(TM) vendors will advertise their software as
"Linux-compatible" :-)
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
--
STOP PRESS: Glen's mobile phone number is now 0416 295 857.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:59:07 -0800
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: how to use libc5 to compile peograms in redhat 5.2
Chetan Ahuja wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The subject says it all... I am reading the glibc2 how-to and
> as far as I can make out, this how-to is saying that I need
> to tell gcc to change the include files path to change the libc
> that I am using ( in addition to changing various options to the
> linker) Redhat 5.3 distribution has thoughtfully placed the old
> libc.so files in a separate folder but seem to have forgotten to
> also place the old header files somewhere obvious... can I get
> download just the header files from somewhere.... I really
> don't want to have to download the entire source distro just
> to get the header files.....
>
> Or is it all wrong and I can just let gcc use the regular header
> files...
>
> Thanks
> Chetan
FWIW, there is a faq that seems to address your exact question (I
think):
ftp://ecg.mit.edu/pub/linux/gcc5-README
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Canright)
Subject: ethernet install problems
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:49:17 GMT
background: I have a copy of Redhat Linux and am having trouble
installing an ethernet card.
The distributtion uses Metro-X windows, which has a nice command bar.
One of the tools does network configuration. The configuration window
that pops up has 4 buttons on the top, each leading to a different
window. I'm having trouble with the "Interfaces" button-- window.
I click on "interfaces". I do an "add" to add interface eth0, but the
last item on the right inactive/active, I cannot get it to stay
active. I highlight the eth0 line, click on the "activate" button,
the display toggles to say it's now active, I save the settings and
reboot the machine, bring the window for network configuration back up
and I see that the device interface is inactive again.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Rob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scallica)
Subject: Re: Red Hat 5.2 is great, But............
Date: 13 Jan 1999 05:15:47 GMT
Yup...
It's very important to read all the documentation before you start the
installation. I had to re-install redhat like 5 times when I first got into it.
One time I accidentally erased the enitre root partition.
Not good.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MalkContent)
Subject: Re: Linux should not support non-free modules
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:28:17 GMT
:
: It's the power of a hardware giant like Intel behind UDI that provides
: the chance that MS will run into problems when trying to ignore it.
:
Friends, in all forty of these quite educational posts I have seen
almost seven utterly divergent points of view.
Not one of these is from someone who sounds like a remotely recent
Convert to "the great glory of linux"
I HATE WRITING CODE.
I can't stress that enough. I never will like it.
Sadly, I am therefore amongst the ranks of the M$ zombies out there.
Without the know-how of a programmer, and only just learning Linux, I could
easily become a person who resents it.
The linux interface is greatly less user-friendly, and so divergent
from
windoze (I don't necessarily *like* them...) that the average end user *will*
resent it.
Note: the average end user also is heavily influenced by television.
So, we're trapped in a mad conrundrum - do we risk the wilds of
standarf
dization, and possibly commercialization (and thusly public visibility); or
does linux stay a happy communistic community complaining about how unfair the
situation between linux and M$'s monster is?
As a hard working warehouse monkey, I really don't enjoy coming home
to
find out that my music player for my sound card crashed while I'm at work,
and
locked the system because I may or may not have configured a kernel right.
As we all look at our respective situations, we must also remember
that
linux is *NOT* built for the typical end user - its for those who do want
to
learn more about it, and maybe help it grow.
Its made each of us who can use it more marketable in the computer
workplace (some more than others), but taken away the
"So, Sven, didja buy that new game?"
"Yeah, I love it! Have you..."
from all of us, and given us the reply
"No, X doesn't support my machine, and the drivers for A, B, and C..."
all by our own choice.
Are any of us willing to give up our personal tinkered systems for what may
one
day become another windoze?
Just a thought.
Malkcontent.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: 11 Jan 1999 23:10:51 -0500
This troll is in need of guidence. This post is in vain.
"Omni=B2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> I fuckin LOVED reading that post !!!!!
-> esp since I've been using MS products since 1986
The post was amusing in the same way as B&B. We laugh at the poster,
not the post. Your history with MSFT is irrelevent to a POSIX
environment. =
-> ans have only just instaled redhat 5.2
"just"? Like five minutes before sending this? You are entering a
foreign land with different customs and you expect to just pick it
right up? tsk tsk.
-> and cant even get connected to the net
You seem to have mastered dual boot or have two machines available to
you. Or are we just hallucinating this post?
-> I dont even know how to create a file
-> like the copy con command in dos
Sorry, you're breaking up hear. Check out /usr/doc/ and see the
wonderful stuff you can do with a Linux system. There are many ways
to create files. To copy a file, use the cp command. man cp. If you =
are using a GUI, you can copy files just like you do in Windows.
-> FUCK LINsux !!!
Enhance your calm, John Spartan.
-> why the hell did I bother?
Perhaps you wanted to try out greener pastures, explore new
territorys, try something better?
-> I must want to punish myself???
Learning something new may take some effort, but it is hardly
punishment. Think of your resume.
-> this is like learning chinese
-> nothing makes sense
Linux is completely different from DOS. Once you understand the Unix
Philosophy, if you give it a chance, you will find that it is DOS that =
doesn't make sense. Linux is better at many things. Sure, there are
short commings as well. But these are being addressed. One year's
worth of MSFT revenue would be more than enough funding to make Linux
the undesputed OS of choice for just about everyone.
-> I'm a pretty good dos/win user
-> now I'm a major linsux dweeb
You most certainly are not a Linux dweeb. You simply aren't
qualified. =
-> fuck that !
Why give up so easily? Do you have any idea what a qualified Unix
Administrator can make? Think of your resume.
=
-> ok linux is free
-> so fuckin what
Linux isn't just free. Linux is one of the jewels in the Free
Software movement's crown.
-> I've never paid for a MS product either
-> so whats the dif???
So you are a warez addict, or someone is giving you your toys.
-> I'll stick to NT and win98
-> I can do just as much with a c complier and winsock
-> than gnu and linsux
Based on your post, I find it hard to imagine that you
could program Windows in C. If you learned the necessary details of
the Win32 API to do that, then installing and setting up Linux would
not have been such a major challenge. You would simply have read the
book and followed the instructions in the setup program.
A lot of people do have trouble setting up XFree86 or ppp. All you
have to do is a DejaNews search through comp.os.linux.setup to see
what answers have already been given. Help is available for people
who demonstrate that they have tried it by the book.
Remember that all this support is free. Although, if you bought your
Red Had (seems unlikely to me) then Red Hat would be willing to help
you out for 30 days to get set up.
If you want support from Microsoft, get your credit card out.
Somehow, I don't think you have one.
-- =
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: "Rick Glunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setuid for pppd
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:39:06 -0500
I've setup a dialout group, added my user to that group, used chown :dialout
for pppd and both scripts, used chmod 754 on pppd and both scripts.....I get
the same error. Any more suggestions? Thanks.
Detlef Fenske wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Rick Glunt wrote:
>
>> I have my Linux box setup with a ppp-on and ppp-off script to
>> connect/disconnect to my ISP. Scripts were created under root but when I
>> try to run them using another user (for security purposes) I get and
error
>> 'must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root'. What
do
>> I need to do to give access to another user?
>
> Hi Rick,
>
>try to make an new group i.e. ´dialout´.
>
>Set pppd and your scripts to this group.
>
>Set the execute rights to group (chmod 754).
>
>Give the user who should dialout access to the new group.
>
>Viola.
>
>Reguards Detlef
>
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From: "Rick Glunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: setuid for ppd
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:38:06 -0500
I've setup a dialout group, added my user to that group, used chown :dialout
for pppd and both scripts, used chmod 754 on pppd and both scripts.....I get
the same error. Any more suggestions? Thanks.
Detlef Fenske wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Rick Glunt wrote:
>
>> I have my Linux box setup with a ppp-on and ppp-off script to
>> connect/disconnect to my ISP. Scripts were created under root but when I
>> try to run them using another user (for security purposes) I get and
error
>> 'must be root to run /usr/sbin/pppd, since it is not setuid-root'. What
do
>> I need to do to give access to another user?
>
> Hi Rick,
>
>try to make an new group i.e. ´dialout´.
>
>Set pppd and your scripts to this group.
>
>Set the execute rights to group (chmod 754).
>
>Give the user who should dialout access to the new group.
>
>Viola.
>
>Reguards Detlef
>
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From: citizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partitions
Date: 12 Jan 1999 21:48:27 +0800
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> [posted and mailed]
> >>>>> "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Tom> I've got a 512Meg HD. Can anyone suggest what partions I'll
> Tom> need and of what size in order to install Linux? I was
> Tom> planning on 40Megs for my Root, 300Megs for Usr and the rest
> Tom> for X windows. Also when I install Linux, how does the
> Tom> installation program choose the partion to install to? Are
> Tom> the names I give them relevant?
> Here's my setup: obviously, more than 500Mb but you can see the
> proportions.
> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hdc1 101075 42627 53229 44% /
> /dev/hdc2 101093 64807 31065 68% /home
> /dev/hdc3 1041638 700604 287217 71% /usr
> /dev/hdb3 495746 182304 287839 39% /usr/local
> /dev/hdb6 201011 92251 98380 48% /usr/src
> Most of your space is going to be used up in /usr and /usr/local, so
> that's where you want the bulk of your space. I probably made root
> bigger than it needed to be, 50M is probably sufficient -- but if you
> make it that small, you probably should add a /tmp partition, also.
That's nice. What do you think about:
I am proposing something like this. This is for my personal workstation,
but who knows what I might do with it. I usually compile a lot of software.
/proc boot stuff 50MB
/ - static 0.5GB
/usr - software - grows 3GB
/var - log files - grows 2GB
/home - user files - grows 1GB
/tmp - tmp files - grows 1GB
/swap - swap 0.5GB
I want all variable directories to have their own mount points because say,
I run a bad script that fills up /tmp and that has no consequence on the
rest of the system. Same for /home.
What do you think about this? Any suggestions?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux-box dying on me...
Date: 12 Jan 1999 18:47:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron van Middendorp) writes:
> Q1: Is there a possibility to do a remote shutdown, so that I can
> reboot and hope for the best?
Telnet in as whoever. Then "su -" and supply the root password.
--
11:45:00 up 41 days, 19:43, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:54:28 +0000
Reply-To: robmATmad.scientist.com
Michael P. Reilly wrote:
> the directory's inode. As for removing a directory that is busy, you
> are on the right track with subdirectories of the root directory and of
> mount points - you cannot delete a mount point (EBUSY = The directory
> to be removed is the mount point for a mounted file system).
>
> When no version of UNIX was specified, then always answer based on the
> common denominator and least danger.
>
> -Arcege
so what about the command "rm -rf / " that debian uses to scare newbies
out of their root accounts? would that clear the files but leave all
the mount points and the directories the mount points are in intact, or
what?
Just curious.
Rob
--
For good, return good.
For evil, return justice.
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linksys EtherFast 10/100 Card
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:03:53 -0330
I have this card.
My card would not work under 2.0.35 .
You might need the latest stable kernel, so upgrade to 2.0.36 .
What I did was get the tulip.c driver from the Linksys site.
They have a Linux page.
So when you compile the kernel for 2.0.36 or recompile 2.0.35 with
a replaced tultip driver include support for tulip.c .
Good Luck,
I don't think you'll have any problems after upgrading the kernel.
My card works beayutifully under Linux.
Neil
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Linksys EtherFast 10/100 card. How do I get Linux to
> recognize the card? I am very new to Linux, so please be kind.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> ---
> Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
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From: "Mike Strong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:29:01 -0600
Thanks for the replies. Turns out someone internally had written a function
to do this.
One of you misunderstood my post, though. A GUID is something that should
be globally unique regardless of host,
"even if you generated one second for several centuries" according to MSDN.
I think it has something like 128 or 256 alphanumeric characters. I cannot
give you any more details than that, except to say they are used in (and
generated by) their MIDL stuff, and are embedded in every COM/DCOM/Active-X
object. They get used in lots of contexts in the MS Windows venue.
Thanks for your ideas!
MJS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Kelley)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 12 Jan 1999 13:36:15 -0700
In article <fWKm2.78914$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Russ Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Never underestimate the importance of CONTENT. The fat, even
> unstable windows environment provides a rich and relatively
> straightforward development environment for intermediate programmers.
> The fact is that operating systems thrive on content -- AKA third
> party, industry specific software. A content specialist with very
> little programming experience can build a Windows based, GUI
> application with internet support etc. etc.
I also agree with you, but I do get the sense that this is changing.
I know a *lot* of Win32 programmers who are now interested in
programming for Linux/BSD systems. Granted, this is not a scientific
study, but going from hearing "What is Linux" to debates about which
is better "gtk or Qt" is a bit revealing. After Metrowerks comes out
with CodeWarrior for Linux, which (according to propoganda) will be
able to cross-compile Mac, Windows, Linux and BeOS code all from the
same machine it becomes even more interesting.
Using OpenGL and a vanilla widget toolkit, one can even make their
graphical source mostly cross-compileable. If there were some sort of
open gaming analog to DirectX, it would be even better (of course, one
could develop to Winelib -- but nobody knows the speed penalties for
doing this yet...).
We do live in interesting times. (regards to Terry Pratchet)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stable Word Processor
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:45:40 +0100
Hi Ruben,
go with WP8
Regards
a.
Ruben Decrop schrieb:
>
> Jesse Pavel wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I'm planning to change a cluster of Pentium 100MHz/32MB RAM
> > machines in
> > my workplace from Windows95 to Linux, but need a stable GUI Word
> > Processor for the users who will be migrated. The choices of which
> > I'm
> > aware at the moment are Applixware 4.4.1, StarOffice 5.0, and
> > WordPerfect 8. The most important thing to me is stability and
> > reliability of the word processing component when dealing with
> > documents
> > of around 100K-200K of text, and very few pictures, if any. A good
> > import/export of ASCII text would be nice, also. The program needs
> > to
> > run at a decent speed on the hardware mentioned above, but need not
> > be
> > phenomenally efficient. Sorry if this is a common question; and if
> > there
> > is a FAQ our there on this topic, I'd appreciate being directed to
> > it.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > - Jesse Pavel
>
> I have downloaded Staroffice 5 and Wordperfect 8 on a similar
> machine (Pentium 166/32 MB ram). Staroffice is definitely too slow
> (you need more RAM). Wordperfect runs well and stable (up to now no
> crashes)
>
> Ruben Decrop
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Dilger)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Linux LVM (was "things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...")
Date: 12 Jan 1999 17:51:24 GMT
In article <77efbr$rvq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>anyway I really *do* wish you could mirror an entire VG at once; I
>tried once for quite awhile to coax AIX into doing this.
In AIX 4.2 and up, there is a command "mirrorvg" which does exactly
this. It includes a SMIT entry as well ;-)
>> Striped or mirrored, not both, at least up to 4.2.1 kernel.
>
>You are of course correct. Seems like a silly design limitation.
I believe that Linux LVM will be able to do this once mirroring is
available.
>Right on. I was amazed when we got an SGI O2 in here and it had IRIX
>6.3 preinstalled on a single partition of the 4G disk. I was used to
>AIX which by default creates separate fs's for /, /tmp, /var, /home and
>/usr
I agree that for single user systems it can be a hassle for multiple
partitions. However, on AIX with LVM and jfs, it is so easy to resize
filesystems there is little disincentive not to have multiple filesystems
in the first place. It WOULD be nice if you could shrink filesystems
on AIX (even if it meant unmounting it...)
>ID strings
>on each disk can cut both ways, but I think a vgck utility to repair or
>compensate for incomplete or corrupted vg's would help a lot and not be
>that hard to do.
I think that LVM with disk IDs (like PVIDs under AIX, but probably using
the same UUID code that ext2 uses) is the best way to go, so we don't
have to deal with the nightmare of disks being renamed on IDE or SCSI
when you re-configure your system. Having disk IDs would mean we don't
have to change the way Linux does disk major/minor device numbers in
order to rid ourselves of the evil of /dev/sdc becoming /dev/sdd when
you connect an external SCSI drive (for example).
>Anyway, Heinz's LVM is reportedly modeled after the HP-UX one which I
>understand is somewhat similar to AIX. I eagerly await version 0.5
>which has been almost here for about six months now. I have been
>reluctant to hack 0.4 (to support glibc and newer kernels) just in case
>0.5 already has this stuff....
I'm hoping that someone will develop AIX compatibility commands for
Linux LVM, so I don't have to use the HP versions, which I find more
confusing...
Cheers, Andreas
--
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Micronet Research Group \ a pound of antipasto, would they
Dept of Electrical & Computer Engineering \ cancel out, leaving him still
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ hungry?" -- Dogbert
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