Linux-Misc Digest #969, Volume #18 Tue, 9 Feb 99 23:13:14 EST
Contents:
Adaptec 2940UW w/RH5.2 (Daniel Elswit)
Re: Linux InstallFest -- DC -- 20 Feb 99 (klaatu)
OOB problem (Nikos Kolomvos)
Audio and graphic card driver? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= T Johansen)
Re: Linux maximum O/S limits???? (Patrick Lanphier)
Re: K6-400 "kernel paging request" errors (Dave Platt)
Re: partition to partition copy? (David Steuber)
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... (David Steuber)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (David Martin)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jack Troughton)
Re: Only one browser for linux? (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: Linux InstallFest -- DC -- 20 Feb 99 (Ben Russo)
Rio utilities (MP3)? (Scott Mars)
Re: KDE is a Memory Hog. (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: 3Com ImpactIQ ISDN External Modem (Gus Hartmann)
Re: Novell Administrator for Linux? (Bob Hauck)
Re: kernel too big? (Mark Matties)
Re: DVD Video???? (Kyler Laird)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (AdmFrodos)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Elswit)
Subject: Adaptec 2940UW w/RH5.2
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:00:22 GMT
Hi everyone. What's the story with running Redhat5.2 with a 2940UW adapter?
The system worked perfectly under 5.1, but upon completely reinstalling the
OS, I get errors like this at random times:
Feb 8 13:13:37 wwwscas kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid
1636, scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Write (10) 00 00 53 b0 42 00 00 02 00
Feb 8 13:13:39 wwwscas kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 1636) timed out -
resetting
Feb 8 13:13:39 wwwscas kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
Feb 8 13:13:40 wwwscas kernel: (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec,
offset 8.
I suspect this might be a particularly horrible situation if my system resided
on the scsi chain, but it doesn't - it's on an IDE. Anyway, I've heard rumors
that acquiring and building version 2.2.1 of the kernel will solve this
problem. Is that truly the case? Any experiences with this problem?
Thanks very much,
--Dan
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From: klaatu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: dc.general
Subject: Re: Linux InstallFest -- DC -- 20 Feb 99
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:33:20 -0500
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Ben Russo wrote:
> klaatu wrote:
> >
> > David Lesher wrote:
> > > <---Excerpt...>
> > >
> > > Come to the DC-LUG/NOVALUG InstallFest and prove that *your*
> > > OS does not need Internet Explorer to work!
> > >
> > > <---Excerpt...>
> > >
> > > <http://www.tux.org/fest> has all the details. No subpoena
> > > needed.....
> >
>
> > Tres cute! But aren't you hitting the law of diminishing returns yet? Seems to
> > me that everyone with the intelligence to see the need for a free open-source
> > operating system, complete with source code and compiler, has already got a
> > Linux box, while everyone who doesn't see the need is working for or selling
> > to the DC government and could not be pursuaded to give up their Windows3.1 or
> > NT machines if you stuck a gun to their head and buried them in gold pieces.
> > <---Excerpt...>
>
> Not so. I work in a large company, and there are lots of DBA's and
> Programmers and application administrators that work with software
> on commercial UN*X's. These individuals may know boatloads about
> programming, but just enough of the OS specific things like file i/o
> and network i/o to get by.
I absolutely believe it.
>
> When I hear/see them getting frustrated with their flaky, instable,
> unpredictable MS WinXX PC, (many of them have had Sun or IRIX
> workstations in the past). I suggest that they try LINUX.
>
> Almost all of them know what Linux is, namely a free UNIX for PC's.
> But they don't know squat about partitions and MBR's and
> /etc/printcap<s> and /etc/resolv.conf<s> and some of them don't
> know a thing about DNS servers or IP networks or netmasks.
Hrm, I have to hit the 'man pages' now and then for some of the more
abstruse elements of that stuff myself.
>
> However I offer to set them up with an old 400MB second IDE hard-drive
> that has RH5.2 and KDE set up to init-default level 5 and I set up
> the networking and configure Netscape and Xterm Icons for them.
> I set up a Gimp Icon. I install plugger-3.0 and xanim and mtv and
> such. I enable dir-color and create an Icon on their desk for
> "helptool". I configure their printers and set up SMBA shares for
> them.
>
> There are now 8-9 people in my office who eschew their NT/95 PC
> except for when they are sent some bloated document in a proprietary
> MS-Office format. These newbie users *LOVE* their stable reliable
> predictable documented open OS!!!
>
> Linux can be on the desktop. WinXX is actually harder to install and
> configure, it's just that most people get their WinXX machine with
> the OS preinstalled.
I absolutely agree. However, this has been my experience.
For the last three years I have been offering to install fully configured
Linux systems for the District government, for free; I have provided them
reams of hardcopy documentation, stressing the completely open and free
nature of Linux; I have even offered to simply _give_ them a harddrive
with Linux pre-installed and set up ready to go for any 486-or-better
machine with an SVGA card [1]. The system was a clone of a Slackware-based
system that I've had running without software fault for nearly four years,
mostly rebooting for hardware upgrades. It's loaded with security,
firewalls, masquerades, and in fact could have done Virtual Private
Networking.
The only time I have ever gotten a call returned was once. I have never
received any paper responses, other than a rejection of a bid as a
vendor, which was rejected solely because I'm not a commercial vendor
with a Dunn & Bradstreet listing. The only returned phone call I got, I
told the guy that I was ready to give a freeware operating system and
applications, harddrive included, and all he could ask was "what do you
intend to get out of this?" and when I told him "civic pride and taxpayer
savings" he hung up on me and I haven't heard a word from anyone since.
What I'm saying is this, and in fact I would make it a challenge to the
entire Linux community. The rank-and-file government of the District of
Columbia has decided that they would not run Linux, not even if you give
them not only the software but the hardware as well and 100 hours of free
personal training per employee to boot. In my personal and not-humble
opinion, they think they've got wads of money to waste on expensive NT and
expensive NT apps. I furthermore will come right out and say that either
local vendors and vendor wannabees are spending cash and personal hours
profligately spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt and paying people off in
a very big way, or the Linux community, myself included, is doing
something incredibly wrong in attempting to "sell" Linux.
So maybe we should all get together and figure out a way to not violate
any laws, and still pitch in ten bucks each to deliver to the office of
the appropriate people with much media fanfare, a perfectly done
ready to go loaded-to-the-gills Linux system - absolutely free and with no
encumbrance or oblication implied or intended, complete with starter ISP
account and ethernet connector. And whoever we can rustle up to be the
best salesman for the product, let's get him on up there too.
Now I want to stress that I am speaking not as a Linux enthusiast nor as
someone who intends to make a jillion dollars hosing the District
government as a consultant (there are enough leeches in Washington
already). I am speaking as a taxpayer who would very much like to see the
city move forward into the information age, from their very-backwards
present position - without spending huge amounts of money for a crippled
set of software that doesn't work well.
Given the amount of information on Linux, the robustness, the free open
source code, the astounding amount of UNIX software on the 'Net available
for the taking, I can only assume that whoever has made the decision to
steer clear of Linux at all costs must be greedy/bribed, stupid, or evil.
[1] 850 meg harddrive, Slackware 3.1, custom kernel, XFree86, 'xdm'
OpenLook 'olvwm' virtual-windows manager, 'PostgreSQL', 'Harvest-1.5'
multisite search-engine and webcrawler, Apache webserver, xforms, OffiX,
and 'tycoon' application-launch buttonbar, 'tcp_wrappers', ACE, Python,
the full Developer's Kit with the stable and proven 'gcc-2.7.2', 'JAVA
developers kit, etc etc etc... of course fun things like the 'nedit' text
editor, yadda yadda... all still available free for installation into the
486-or-better SVGA-equipped computer of the DC government's choice.
>
> -Ben.
>
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From: Nikos Kolomvos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OOB problem
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:51:45 GMT
Hello
I have two applications communicating with one another, one running on Linux
(Slakware, kernel v. 2.0.34) and one on Solaris. I have used OOB messages to
implement a signalling protocol that regulates data flow between the two.
A SIGURG signal handler triggers the appropriate actions in each application,
upon reception of an OOB byte.
When the two communicate over a local network, everything works fine.
When I try to get them to talk over PPP and a telephone line (either leased
or dialup), which is what they are meant to do, a strange thing happens:
Right after receiving an OOB on the Linux side, the SIGURG handler is invoked
again (for no apparent reason) and since there is no other OOB byte waiting
to be received, recv() fails with an EAGAIN. If another OOB arrives after
this has happened, it is simply ignored, the signal handler not being invoked
at all. It takes yet another OOB to be sent to the Linux side (normal
in-band data sometimes does the trick too) to get things working again. Note
that the two OOB bytes may be sent with a considerable amount of time in
between, so this is not the case of two OOBs arriving in the same TCP frame,
causing the first one to go unnoticed by the receiver!
A probable explanation of why this happens may have to do with the fact that
the sending TCP will send more than one frame with the urg flag set, in order
to make sure that the receiver is notified of the existence of urgent data.
The receiving side, in this case Linux, is supposed to check the OOB byte
pointer in the frame, so that only a frame that references a new OOB byte
causes the interested parties to be informed of its arrival. It seems that
the buffers involved in the communication over PPP get in the way and the
urg flag / OOB pointer get mixed up in some way, so that the receiving process
is notified twice for some arriving OOB and not at all for the following one.
Using tcpdump, I found that when the double invocation of the SIGURG handler
occurs, two successive packets are delivered with the 'urg' flag. The first
one (obviously the correct one) contains 1 byte -the OOB, no other data is
sent- and has the PUSH flag set (what on earth is the PUSH flag for anyway?).
The second does not have the P flag set and does not contain any data!
Furthermore, tcpdump reports urg 1 for the first packet and urg 0
for the second - I am not sure if 0 and 1 refer to the length of the OOB, its
position, or something else.
Could this be a bug in the Linux TCP stack? (nothing of the kind was ever
observed on my Solaris client)
Does anyone know a solution to my problem?
If anyone does, please post an answer to this message, or mail me directly
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!
Nikos Kolomvos
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= T Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Audio and graphic card driver?
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:09:50 +0100
Hi.
Does anyone know if there exist a driver for SoundBlaster Live! under
Linux?
How about a driver for Matrox Marvel G200 under XFree 86? Or do I have
to use something else, like MetroX?
Regards,
BTJ
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From: Patrick Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux maximum O/S limits????
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:35:58 +0000
I don't believe there is a straight forward answer like there is for NT
because many people hack something into the kernel to do what they want,
but take a look at this site and you'll at least get some insight as to
the possibilities.
http://linas.org/linux/large.html
David Sisk wrote:
>
> Quick question:
>
> Where would I find info on Linux maximum limits, such as:
>
> 1) Max memory accessible to the O/S (for example, on NT, it's essentially 4
> Gb).
> 2) Max memory accessible to an O/S process (on NT, it's 2Gb, on NT-Ent it's
> 3Gb).
> 3) Max number of O/S processes possible (??? not sure on NT, depends on
> memory I think).
> 4) Max number of CPU's useable (on NT, it supports up to 16, but you gain
> very little after 4 and almost nothing after 8).
> 5) Maximum file size
> 6) Etc.....
>
> Is this info published anywhere readily available? (Ie. the Web?)
>
> Thanks and kindest regards,
>
> --
> David C. Sisk
> The Unofficial ORACLE on NT site
> http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Platt)
Crossposted-To:
linux.dev.kernel,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: K6-400 "kernel paging request" errors
Date: 10 Feb 1999 02:27:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff McWilliams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Might be a bad CPU, I'm running 100MHz FSB on a K6-2 300 using an Asus P5-A
>and have compiled the 2.2.0-pre5, 6, 7 kernels a couple times without
>trouble.
Same combination here - and it works very reliably for me. I've been
running this configuration since late October and it's been
essentially trouble-free.
I did decide to spring for PC-100 SDRAM DIMMs from a "first tier"
vendor (Micron). I'd heard that some of the second- and third-tier
memory out there in the marketplace can be of marginal reliability,
and I've had enough difficulties with slightly-flaky memory in the
past that I decided to spend the extra few dollars on a name-brand type.
Whether for this reason, or because I'm just lucky otherwise, the
system has been solid. The only trouble I had during initial startup
was some system lockups while installing... this turned out to be due
to the Mylex FlashPoint BT SCSI controller I was using (either
defective, or incompatible with the ASUS motherboard or its chipset).
Mylex was kind enough to swap this controller for one of their
"MultiMaster" models at no charge, and the new controller fixed the
problem.
--
Dave Platt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: partition to partition copy?
Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:07:31 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) writes:
-> What's the best tool to use to copy a partition?
man dd and see if that is what you want.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:26:18 -0500
Paul Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Tux kicks ass! The Windows logo looks like a beer mat. :)
Is that before or after it has been urinated on?
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Martin)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 9 Feb 1999 15:25:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
TB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ....so, any easy resolution to setting up a modem to dial an ISP? After
> scanning countless books, I still can not get a dial tone. PPP is installed.
> It does raise an interesting opportunity for a wizbang programmer to whip up a
> foolproof modem diag program for the willing masses trying to exit MS
Just a simple thought... is your modem on the right port, ie are you trying
to open a PPP conection through a port other than the one your modem is on.
(been there, done that..)
..d
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Troughton)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:33:56 GMT
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:51:02, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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ˆ>>>>> "Jack" == Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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ˆ On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:44:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
ˆ wrote: ˆOn Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:17:23 GMT,
ˆ
ˆ Dearest Jack, if you don't like it, you may also shove it up
ˆ your ass !!
ˆ
ˆ Jack> Your imagination knows no bounds.
ˆ
ˆHmm, only if `zero' is unbounded. I believe this is not
ˆmathematically correct.
ˆ
ˆmp
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I was under the impression that null as a value is unbounded,
though...
I could be wrong, it's been a hell of a long time since I actually
looked at that stuff.
Jack Troughton ICQ:7494149
http://207.96.209.68:8000/
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jaft at adan.kingston.net
Montréal PQ Canada
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Only one browser for linux?
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:36:24 -0700
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Lyle Taylor wrote:
> "Steve D. Perkins" wrote:
> >
> > > Try the HotJava browser (version 1.1.5) from Linux-friendly Sun
> > > Microsystems. More than a ``proof of concept'', it works quite nicely
> > Does the Linux port suck and crash as often as the Windows one?
> I haven't used it a lot, but I don't recall it ever crashing on me under
> Linux.
I have used HotJava under OS/2...in earlier iterations. It worked, never
crashed, but was relatively slow in comparison to Netscape. I would
assume that the latest versions are better but...does it work ONLY with
the SUN JVM or will it run under kaffe and other java compiler clones?
patrick
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: dc.general
Subject: Re: Linux InstallFest -- DC -- 20 Feb 99
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:13:21 -0500
> I absolutely agree. However, this has been my experience.
>
> For the last three years I have been offering to install fully configured
> Linux systems for the District government, for free; I have provided them
> reams of hardcopy documentation, stressing the completely open and free
> nature of Linux; I have even offered to simply _give_ them a harddrive
> with Linux pre-installed and set up ready to go for any 486-or-better
> machine with an SVGA card [1]. The system was a clone of a Slackware-based
> system that I've had running without software fault for nearly four years,
> mostly rebooting for hardware upgrades. It's loaded with security,
> firewalls, masquerades, and in fact could have done Virtual Private
> Networking.
>
<Excerpt>
The LINUX install fest isn't about any of that anyway. The DC-LUG
install fest is to help individuals who are "newbies" and need a
helping hand getting over the hurdle of installing an OS on a PC
and getting the drivers and options configured so they can start
using it. The important thing is that *IF* they want the help it
is there.
I think we should relax, be friendly, let Linux sell itself.
Dell, HP, SGI, are all selling Servers with LINUX pre-installed.
It won't be long before they are selling PC's with it.
Then the commercial application development will come.
If people want Linux they can use it, if they want windows let them
have it, the whole great thing about GPL software is that it offers
a choice. Don't try to force anything on anybody.
Start a petition to local government requesting a law that PC hardware
be offered for a price that is not bundled in *ANY* way with Software
or OS. Software and OS's may be installed for customers, but the
install price must be based on an hourly or category rate unrelated
to the brand name of the Software/OS being installed.
This way hardware vendors could even offer free
install and config. But they would have to offer it free for all
OS's..
-Ben.
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From: Scott Mars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rio utilities (MP3)?
Date: 9 Feb 1999 15:36:53 GMT
Are there utilities available to transfer mp3 files from a linux
box to a portable MP3 player like the Diamond Multimedia Rio? I
understand the parallel port is used.
Best regards,
Scott Mars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE is a Memory Hog.
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:41:32 -0700
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, RAZOR wrote:
> Hey guys!
> I have 486 puter with fvwm on it (Redhat 5.0) . It works kinda slow
> Is WindowsMaker even faster than fvwm (w95 look)? If it is, i'll switch to
> it in a heartbeat :-)
I would think that you wouldn't see much difference...but Windowmaker is
MUCH easier to configure. You don't have to wade thru a bunch of .xxrc
files for this or that - and it just plain looks nice. You can also add
to it with GNOME or even drop it in as a kwm replacement windowmanager in
KDE if that is your desire.
patrick
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From: Gus Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3Com ImpactIQ ISDN External Modem
Date: 10 Feb 1999 03:08:51 GMT
Gus Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is being unable to start a PPP connection to either
> my personal ISP ISDN pool or my employer's ISDN pool. The connection
> comes up, but it looks like the PAP negotiation doesn't happen. This is
> identical to a problem I had with the Bitsurfr when it was configured to
> not use PAP. However, Motorola had an AT command to enable PAP, while
> 3Com provides a fairly minimal set of AT commands.
To follow up my own post; 3Com was quite helpful, despite their
official position of not supporting Linux. The required trick under
Linux is to put S71=1 in the dial string. Just setting the register is
not enough; the command ATS71=1Dnnnnnnnn is what's needed.
--
Gus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.netware.misc
Subject: Re: Novell Administrator for Linux?
Date: 10 Feb 1999 03:27:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was wondering if anyone has come out with a "port" or some version
> of NWADMIN or NETADMIN for Novell NetWare, for Linux clients on the
> NetWare network.
Caldera has this for NW 3.x and 4.x in their OpenLinux
distribution. <http://www.calderasystems.com>
--
Bob Hauck, Software Engineer - Will program for food.
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From: Mark Matties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: kernel too big?
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:37:38 +0000
hi folks,
i'm running 2.0.36 under redhat 5.2 on a 200Mhz ppro machine with
48Mb of ram and 35 Mb of free disk (in the partition holidng /usr/src)
and (typically) 100+Mb of free swap.
i've got this same problem with both 2.1.132 and 2.2.1 kernels,
**even if i use the default config options (i.e., don't add anything).**
however, i don't have any trouble compiling 2.0.36 from scratch.
i make sure that i -
make mrproper; make xconfig (use default config - just save & exit);
make dep; make clean; make; make zImage
here is the last bit of the output from make zImage -
tools/build bootsect setup compressed/vmlinux.out CURRENT > zImage
Root device is (3, 1)
Boot sector 512 bytes.
Setup is 1292 bytes.
System is 542 kB
System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules.
make[1]: *** [zImage] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.1.132/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [zImage] Error 2
any ideas??
thanks,
mark
Dr. Mark Alan Matties Senior Network Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] NASA / Goddard Space Flight Center
(301) 614-5295 ESDIS Network Prototyping Lab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, i just got my hands on 2.2.1 and tried compiling it, it compiled ok but
> it was huge! I really didn't think i had selected that much but anyway i
> tried using zlilo and lilo apparently agrrees with me in that it is really
> big, but lilo doesn't seem to use it... i try using it anyway and my box
> boots up ok but it boots up with all the things that were in the old kernel!
> and nothing from what was in the new kernel! the kicker is that i moved my
> old kernel and it seems to still be using it... i am quite confused. i have
> tried compiling it with *everything* i could as mods but it is still > 1megs!
> i have used bzImage but that doest seem to be of much help. any help would
> be greatly appricated here!
>
> -Gaiko
>
> Gaikokujin Kyofusho
> Student Extraordinare & UN*X Guru Wannbe
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: DVD Video????
Date: 9 Feb 1999 15:38:28 GMT
>You can get specifications on the patented portions of the DVD
>system. All you have to do is purchase copies of the appropriate
>patents. If you have access to a patent repository (library or
>university) then the cost is the same as printing out copies of a few
>microfiches
O.k., this shouldn't be too tough.
>The hard part is the trade secret information. This covers the file
>format and a host of other details that you can only get through one
>of two ways. The legal way is to buy the DVD spec from Toshiba ($5000
>USD) and other documents (considerably more) and sign an NDA.
Hmmm...this would be very limiting - unless we find
someone willing to break an NDA.
The money should not be a problem unless it's a whole
lot more than $10K.
>The
>alternative way that is illegal in the United States (AFAIK) is to use
>a copy of the software that came with your player and reverse enginere
>it.
I like this. I'm not suggesting that it be done
illegally (in the US), of course.
>You might get lucky. It may not be pentium optimized code. You
>can look at any dlls and drivers that shiped with the software to get
>the names of the exported symbols and what portions of the code they
>map to. You have to disasemble the software and do a flow analysis on
>it to work out the algorithm so that you can create a clean room
>specification from which you can re code a program in C.
There's no reason to take the clean room approach if
this is done in a country where reverse engineering
is legal, right? As long as the code is distributed
from that country, there should not (well...) be any
legal problems?
>I have not undertaken this task because of the amount of work involved
>and the fact that as a U.S. citizen, my ass could get sued into the
>stone age.
I'm in the same position. I'd like to encourage the
work, though. To do that, I've put up some money.
One person has already increased the offer. I hope
others will join us and someone will take on the
project.
http://visar.csustan.edu/bazaar/bazaar_list.html#kernel
>I estimate that the amount of work involved would be at
>least a few man years, if not months. By then, there will probably be
>a high definition format that uses strong encryption with some
>protocol that makes playback pretty much impossible without a
>legitimate player.
You're suggesting that current players have the
ability to handle this? Bummer.
I was hoping that current players are limited enough
that we could emulate them. My hope was that there
are enough already out that there would be great
resistance to making them obsolete.
BTW, I think DVD might be a great place to use an
Internet crypto challenge to do *real* work.
--kyler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AdmFrodos)
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 9 Feb 1999 15:19:48 GMT
>For my money, the worst programmers on the planet write games. Every
>day I have reason to be glad that computer games have no interest for
>me. I just think of all the hours I have saved by not having to
>reconfigure my system over and over and over and over ...
Actually, many people are of the opinion that some of the finest programmers
are game programmers. Where else do you find people constantly trying to write
stable code for cutting edge systems? The guys that wrote Doom ushered in an
era, and they could only do it by being the some of the best, most efficent C
programmers around. Now, I think that there are plently of HORRIBLE game
programmers, but the bulk of them are quite innovative and clever. I would even
venture to say that many people (including me) are jealous. I would much rather
program games then crank out word processing applications.
Swords Bright,
rt
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