Linux-Misc Digest #192, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Feb 99 16:13:15 EST
Contents:
Re: domain name reg and IP setup (Rick Onanian)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (DrBoom)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Hard disk duplication?? (Bruce Kline)
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (brian
moore)
Alzza 5.2 Korean Linux: Hangul Input (Steve Anderson)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Michael Davis)
Re: The .pl- extension? (Richard Rognlie)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Seth Van Oort)
Re: enlightenment themes? (Ross Vandegrift)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Daniel Hetherington)
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From: Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: domain name reg and IP setup
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:30:53 -0500
Matt Zagni wrote:
>
> But surely this is a domain hosting service - correct me if I am wrong ?
Internic doesn't host anyone's web page. They do register your domain
name. They control all .com .edu .org .net (and maybe one other, I
forget) domain names. There are various other domain name registrars,
for other top level domains, but if you want one of the previouslylisted
> The info that I require is to know howto set up my own IP www homepage
> and control it from my own box, I know I need to contact the respecive
> authorities
> Who are they ?
> What hardware do I need - leased line or normal daily used telephone
> line ?
>
> I have set up PPP and DNS this works fine for my IPS but what if I would
>
> like to host my own server.
>
> Reasons my current home page is used to much and the IPS is withdrawing
> its
> use.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Matt
>
> okdj wrote:
>
> > http://www.internic.net
> >
> > everything you need to know is in the FAQs at this site
> >
> > Matt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > What HOWTODO can help me setup a domain name for my own internet
> > > connection and what are the requirements, I know there are sites
> > > that you can register under but how can I set up my own.
> > >
> > > Also are there any sites that can help too.
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > >
> > > Matt
> >
> > --
> > ----------Visit me at http://www.moltenwax.com----------
> >
> > I think I just downloaded in my pantz.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:11:13 GMT
In article <7b6egf$h4s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Robert Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
> <7b6bad$73l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Ryan Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Matthias Warkus wrote:
> ><some deletia>
> >
> >> > > 3. More Hardware support
> >> >
> >> > Yes, but oh so crappy drivers...
> >>
> >> I rather have a Winmodem with crappy drivers than a useless card in Linux
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> <other stuff deleted>
>
> >And if you get stuck with problems while swapping modems, just try to get
> >some help from MacroShaft. There's plenty of relevant information in the
> >Windows Help files (NOT) and also lots of useful advice on the M$ website
> >(double knot). It's almost as if it never occurred to them that someone
> might
> >want to change their hardware after the initial install.
>
> Ok- my .02 worth: MS doesn't write their stuff for the users who want
> to change things (hardware or software)
> around. That's not their customer base. Their users are (mostly) the "turn
> it on and run the apps" group. And that's fine. Somebody has to look after
> that market. I personally don't believe that MS can (or should) be an OS for
> the people who want to get their hands dirty. Bottom line though, is you can
> do Linux type activities in MS, and vice-versa, but its better to use each
> for what its best at. I wouldn't write a thesis in vi, e.g.
Operating systems should support hardware changes. Period. Swapping out a
modem is not at all "Linux type". I have upgraded hardware on old machines
and have had to swap out hardware on newer machines for reasons of
compatibility. It's very common for people to want to upgrade their machine
in some way, or switch to another piece of hardware. This is probably done
more on Windows machines than on Linux machines simply because there are more
of them.
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From: DrBoom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Stop this bogosity, damnit! Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:18:36 GMT
Alexander Viro wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
>
> >> wish newsreaders had a feature that reminded where one is posting. It
> >> would make people (like me) more aware.
>From the Knews homepage: (J. Dyson's newsreader)
"Knews is a threaded newsreader with an X Window interface. It may be
distributed under the terms of the GNU Public License."
Must be that darn amateurish and evilly licensed code coming back to
bite you.
Even a *nix newbie like me running a dain-bramaged newsreader like
Netscape knows to which ng's he is posting. The bright blue underlined
newsgroup names are a subtle hint for the clue-impaired. Give it a try
-- it's not GPL'd. ;-)
Expertise in one area (VM systems, etc.) does not imply expertise in
others (licensing, philosophy, etc.). Nor does it imply general
cluefullness -- often it implies the opposite.
Apologies to all for adding to this thread.
-j
Nice, factual flame follows...
> <flame>
> So get a non-sucking newsreader. rn had this property. trn, slrn -
> you name it. Damint, strace the sucker you are using, watch connect to port
> 119 and see whether it send()/sendmsg()/write() "POST\r\n". Grep the source
> for corresponding call and insert the obvious output/confirmation request
> before it. Look what it's going to send to the same socket after POST and
> watch the line starting from "Newsgroups:". All fix takes horrible 15 minutes.
> People like you? AFAIK you are *not* a child of Endless September.
> If you had spent a frigging two weeks posting this BS into technical groups
> and didn't bother to check *where* are you posting to - excuse me when I
> question your mental abilities. Sorry, I don't believe it. You *should* know
> better. If you *really* didn't - maybe you'ld better stick with AOL or WebTV.
> Obcomp.os.linux.advocacy: WTF are you doing in that gutter?
> </flame>
>
> --
> "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
> "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:21:09 +0000
An engineer from the company c't in Germany has found ways to manipulate
it via software.
See the news at x86.org.
Seth
John Meissen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Boycott Swintel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pentium III chip with the individual serial number that can
> >track your web surfing and buying habits can now have the ID number
> >turned on and off by software.
>
> This is untrue. The fact is, the feature can be disabled with software,
> but it can ONLY be turned back on by a full hardware reset.
>
> Of potential concern is that after a hard reset the feature =is=
> reenabled, but if you consider the logic of not being able to
> enable via software, this is the only way to provide for re-enabling
> the feature.
>
> Given that the feature exists, and the way it works, obviously
> the best solution is for BIOS manufacturers to provide for
> disabling at power-on. Otherwise it seems to me a trivial matter
> to provide capability under Linux or any other OS to disable it
> at boot time.
>
> A boycot based on this is ridiculous. Whether you use the chip
> or not should depend on the capabilities of the CPU and if you
> feel they meet your needs.
>
> john-
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From: Bruce Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hard disk duplication??
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Date: 26 Feb 1999 20:25:37 GMT
Hi,
I think the use of dd should work here as an image
copier to a partition that is the exact same size.
I have never done it.
As long as people are looking here I want to ask the
additional question of is there a way to duplicate a
DOS/WIN partition with dd, and have it be able to boot?
I am very curious as to whether this is do-able!?
-Bruce
In alt.os.linux Dion Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is there a way to duplicate a hardisk image after the linux installation.
: I need to set up multiple linux boxes (assume identical hardware). This will
: save me hours of installation and configuration time.
: Cheers
: Dion
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:44:23 GMT
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:36:11 -0500, GBP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Yeah point well taken. But is it true that overclocking can result in
>system instability? When netscape crashes how am i going to know it was
>a bug and not my CPU doing and instruction wrong or something? When
>people say instability what exactly do they mean? do these machines
>freeze?
>
>gbp
system freeze or kernel panic. my experience is page faults...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 26 Feb 1999 20:32:30 GMT
On 26 Feb 1999 19:28:17 GMT,
Robert Sexton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm still unsure as to why the Linux camp has made /proc into the
> lazy programmers kernel interface. I guess its easier to open a file
> than to look up a system call. Load averages are a case in point.
The goal as I understand it is to make for things like a ps that doesn't
need to be able to read /dev/kmem and such without being suid-root or
sgid-kmem or any such thing. Items that are not "confidential"
shouldn't be protected, so that less programs will need privileges to
use them.
The /proc filesystem on Solaris, say, is only slightly useful. You
can't strip suid from ps and have it work. Solaris netstat is sgid-sys
to read the tables it needs, etc.
Even plain old 'uptime' on Solaris is suid-root, just so that it can
read the load average and system uptime. Does it =really= get the extra
scrutiny that a suid-root program needs or is it
yet-another-potential-exploit?
Why not just make the tables it needs public instead of adding
yet-another-suid program to the mix of potential security holes?
I love the Linux /proc filesystem for that simple reason: it suffices as
a simple and secure method of getting "unclassified" kernel tables.
I haven't been paying attention to how the BSD's have been handling the
problem of reading kernel memory to get around this problem, but the
Linux solution seems elegant and consistent with Unix concepts to me.
> Anyway, back to the point. Linux has harnessed a lot of brains, and
> to some good result. However, the goal here is to make a bigger pie.
> Linux-specific software doesn't make the pie any bigger, it just
> increases the size of YOUR share. In that case somebody else loses.
There is, though, very little of that. The only major exceptions are
things that are written that only run on the console (and won't even run
in an xterm on Linux) for no good reason.
> In some ways, I'm glad to see Linux bring UNIX back into the
> mainstream, and away from the speciality it's been in recent years.
> The part that makes me sad is that so many people don't know their
> history, that Linux is part of something bigger. They see it as some
> sort of crashless windows, and they write their software accordingly.
I'll agree to that.
> I fear that I will wake up one day, and Linux will be writ large on
> the computer industry, and it won't be UNIX anymore.
Well, Linux isn't Unix(tm). (Of course, neither is FreeBSD.) It is
close enough to the real thing to pass for it, though, and I don't see
that changing.
Maybe a prettier set of programs than the commercial crowd did (Motif
and CDE are ugly), and end user applications that'll convince the
PHB's that perhaps Unix isn't bad at all (but won't have the ability
to handle mail as well as a plain-old-Unix combination of procmail and
mutt, for example). But that doesn't mean anything will go away, just
that the Unix core concepts are a much better basis for building a
system (even on the desktop) than supergluing stuff onto DOS.
The ability to ssh to a desktop machine to fix their broken software
will be cool. The use may not know that they're using Unix, but their
admin sure will and will be glad. :)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Steve Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Alzza 5.2 Korean Linux: Hangul Input
Date: 26 Feb 1999 19:25:22 GMT
I've set up Alzza 5.2 for my wife to type Hangul email. I have directions
to set LANG = ko in bashrc, startx, start HanIM, start Netscape. All of the
programs display Hangul, however I can't type Hangul in Netscape. Since I
can't read Hangul, I am unable to read the FAQ. Do I need a Hangul keyboard
to type Hangul in Netscape? May seem like a strange question, but I don't
really understand what the HanIM program does. Whether I require a Korean
keyboard or not, where can I purchase a Korean Keyboard (short of going to
Korea).
Thanks,
Steve
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From: Michael Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: 26 Feb 1999 15:31:10 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was wondering if someone would tell me how much HD space Staroffice
>occupies. My /usr subdirectory is extremely full (only 22 Meg remaining).
>My understanding is that Staroffice provides a spreadsheet facility which
>is similar to Excel and is compatible with Excel documents. Correct me if
>this is wrong.
Sorry, you don't even have enough space to download it! It's 60-80 MB
for the download, depending on where you get it. I'm not sure how
much space it takes after it's installed, I'm not at home right now,
but, like MS office, it depends on install options.
Yes the spreadsheet is similar to Excel and can read/write Excel97 docs.
And the word processor can read/write Word docs ( and others ).
I'm very happy with StarOffice.
>
>Also, does Wordperfect provide spreadsheet facilities? If so, are they
>compatible with Excel?
Don't think so. Corel packages a spreadsheet separately as part of Corel Office
( the legendary 1-2-3 perhaps? )
--
// Michael Davis -- Solaris code slave and happy Linux User.
//
// From sunny Toronto...
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From: Richard Rognlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The .pl- extension?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:26:54 -0500
It may or may not have meaning. True. UNIX does not care about
the extension. But some applications do. e.g., Apache can be
configured to treat any files ending in .cgi or .pl as CGI scripts
and to be executed as such.
"Jürgen Exner" wrote:
>
> Chris Mahmood wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >it's a script in Polish...
>
> This is good one, I like it.
> I'm only afraid, someone might take it serious .....
>
> BTW: To the original poster.
> The ending of a file name has no meaning in UNIX, it's just for human
> comfort.
> To find out about what a file is use "file <filename>". It will guess the
> type of the file based on the actual content (not based on the file name)
> and usually it's correct in about 99.5% of all files.
>
> jue
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:37:04 +0000
Linux has helped people break out from being under the control of
Microsoft by providing options in software. I hope it can help us escape
the control of Intel as well. People are reluctant to get other
processors even when they are obviously better, because they don't bear
the Intel name. The markups on their high end processors compared to the
performance gain is so incredibly ridiculous. If that trend would end,
life would be sunnier in the computing world.
Seth
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Robert Krawitz wrote in message ...
>
> > >I think this is a tad unfair. I'm disappointed that Linus doesn't
> > >want to enable large memory addressing on the x86.
> >
> > As with any general purpose operateing system there are trade offs, one
> > outstanding feature of Linux is the freedom to transform it into something
> > that suits your purposes. The reallity is that there is nothing to be
> > gained by trying to use a special capability of the XEON just to fillfull
> > the special needs of a few users. This is especially the case when the
> > Chip and Chip SETs are not suited for the application. I firmly believe
> > that if you really need 64 bit addressing to main memory then you need to
> > look at a 64 bit system.
>
> Well, Xeon boxes seem to be awfully popular these days. And again:
> there's a lot of software (even for Linux) that only runs on x86.
> Folks who want to use Oracle don't have the option of getting an Alpha.
>
> > >Job mixes that are more memory/IO than computation intensive (which is
> > >the case for a lot of commercial data processing) would benefit
> > >greatly from the availability of large memory on commodity hardware.
> >
> > Why would anyone do commercial data processing in large pools of main
> > memory? Seems awfully risky. Actually large memory systems and heavy
> > computation base apps go hand in hand.
>
> Example: something that's trying to join a stream of transactions to
> accounts. Database (and non-database) joins can always use all the
> memory they can get their grubby little paws on.
>
> Actually, on further thought Linus's last message on the topic
> suggested using the extra RAM as a ramdisk. If the machine then
> swapped to the ramdisk, things would work reasonably well.
>
> [Disclaimer: that I'm not a disinterested observer: I work for Torrent
> Systems: http://www.torrent.com/. However, this posting is completely
> my own opinion, and does not reflect any official company policy.]
>
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
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From: Ross Vandegrift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,comp.linux.x
Subject: Re: enlightenment themes?
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:38:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> It has been discontinued, since now, there is the ultra-nifty e-conf
> capplet for Gnome to control it. I don't know whether it really needs
> the Gnome Control Center; perhaps it can run standalone.
Hmm... looks like it needs Gnome. It didn't compile, and there's no
executable. This sucks. I'd really love to get Gnome working, but I
followed it in CVS for almost a month, and the autogen script remained
broken for the whole time. Oh well - I'll just wait until 1.0 Thanks
for the EConfig info, though.
--
Ross Vandegrift | Eric J. Fenderson
ATTENTION: I have **finally** gotten my permit!!!
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From: Daniel Hetherington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:25:10 +0000
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hash: SHA1
>
> >>>>> "Mayor" == Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Mayor> On 21 Feb 1999 00:37:57 -0800, Michael Powe
> Mayor> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this
> Mayor> bit of wisdom:
>
> > > > > > That would be why Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay
> > > > > > accident victims compensation than to design a safer car?
>
> > > > > > To what are you referring?
>>> Presumably to the Ford Pinto, which had a small design defect >> that
>>> would have cost tens of millions to fix and looked like it >> would cost
>>> in the neighborhood of zero to one lives if it >> weren't fixed.
>>> Unfortunately for Ford, the one life didn't end >> up ended but merely
>>> horrible burnt and very, very litigious.
>
> Mayor> Ah the Pinto case. One of the biggest bits of urban
> Mayor> mythology around. What most people don't know about that
> Mayor> case was that the car had no gas cap. The women were
> Mayor> backing up the highway to get to the exit they just
> Mayor> left. They had just realized that they had left their cap
>
> >> Grush-Saunby Report on Pinto Gas Tanks, Table 3: This report is
> >> the Ford Motor Company document in which the authors compared
> >> the likely costs of lawsuits to the known costs of properly
> >> retrofitting the cars with safety bars. The rather
> >> cold-blooded decision was simply that it would be more
> >> "cost-effective" to pay off the victims than to protect their
> >> lives.
a product of your deranged legal system, i believe...
> Mayor> There can always be 'one more thing' that can be done to
> Mayor> make vehicles safer. As we are seeing with the SUV
> Mayor> situation once you do something to make vehicles safer
> Mayor> someone will sue you for making them too safe. The
>
> Even if this were true (your "blame the victim" argument),
`blame the victim'? what? he's saying a car cannot be perfectly safe, i.e.
that sometimes no one's at fault. the french have got this figured, btw.
> it has nothing to do with your assertion that the problem with Pinto gas
> tanks was "urban legend."
>
> Mayor> automakers are in a no-win situation. They are going to be
> Mayor> sued after an accident. Usually because they have much more
> Mayor> money than the person who actually caused it. They have
> Mayor> accepted this as a cost of doing business. What your report
> Mayor> is actually an attempt to balance those costs. So long as
> Mayor> people are more interested in turning a buck from ever
> Mayor> traffic accident instead of getting the bad drivers off the
> Mayor> road that's the way it will be. As far as cold-blooded
>
> Your unproven assumptions are riding on their rims. Bad drivers do
> not create exploding gas tanks. Immoral men do put earnings ahead of
> human life.
If car companies wanted to, they could spend every penny of profit they earn
making their products safer ˜ for that matter every manufacturer in the world
could, no matter what they produce. They don't. Surprised?
There is one economic system in which this kind of thing happens. It's
called communism. You'd simplify things a lot if you said you wanted this to
start with, instead of arguing for it in such obscur ways.
>
> Mayor> goes, if you really want to see that in action then you
> Mayor> need look no further than the lawyers and their clients
> Mayor> attempting to profiteer from the deaths and injuries of
> Mayor> their freinds and loved ones. While every one has their
> Mayor> hands out to the auto companies the driver that caused the
> Mayor> accident is usually out driving in his/her piss poor manner
> Mayor> again. But no one cares because they're pockets aren't very
> Mayor> deep.
>
> You need to cut back on your consumption of the Jerry Springer show.
> It's leading you to all sorts of undemonstrable assertions.
>
> mp
>
> - --
> Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
> "Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
> -- Anthony Trollope
>
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