Linux-Misc Digest #192, Volume #20 Thu, 13 May 99 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (david parsons)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Marco Anglesio)
Re: Bizarre memory problem (Mark Tranchant)
Re: Supermount (Lothar Krenzien)
Re: Pdf tools in Linux (Edwin Chacon)
Script testing (Norman de Groot)
Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (david parsons)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?) (david parsons)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Marco Anglesio)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (jik-)
Re: Pipes and processes question (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Redhat 6.0 broken? (root)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: USB Support (Edwin Chacon)
Samba & Win 9x clients: automatically mapping drives (Lee Allen)
ESS Modem ("Paul")
Re: car mp3 player (brian moore)
Re: Need Presentation Graphics Software (Christopher Mahmood)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Mike Coffin)
Re: How to uninstall packages? (Rob Rogers)
Re: 16bpp vs 8bpp (Len Cuff)
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 13 May 1999 10:20:32 -0700
In article <7hdhog$1c0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7hcp4q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>david parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s> wrote:
>>In article <7hauq8$klo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Why would you ever want to keep running some old apps on purpose when
>>>the upgrade is available?
>>
>> Because the old apps work, and there's no point in promiscuously
>> fucking around with them.
>
>Is that what the maintainers are doing? And here I thought they
>were doing as all a favor by working hard to fix the old bugs.
One would think so, but after watching linux libc5 and libc6, as
well as pine, the GNU binutils, and the GNU C compiler morph
interfaces, I sort of wish that a lot of these free software
developers would STOP working on ``fixing'' the old bugs and spend
some of that energy learning software engineering, so that their
next fixes won't break every other tool that's unfortunate enough to
come within their reach.
There's a really good reason why Mastodon Linux uses libc4 instead
of libc5 -- it's ``obsolete'', so the published interfaces aren't
being tweaked to follow the standard of the week club.
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david parsons \bi/ 1995 was not that long ago, really.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:20:32 GMT
On Thu, 13 May 1999 20:46:20 GMT, Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>An obvious truth that is obscured
>>by the sheer size of a national economy, it seems superficially clear that
>>there are enough dollars out there for everyone. Unfortunately, that's not
>>so: there *aren't* enough dollars out there for everyone.
>
>There will be as soon as people stop whining and create some more value.
I think that's a hoot. US unemployment is at an extreme low; everyone who
possibly can is out there creating some more value. The July 1998
employment/population ratio (63.9%) set a record - it's the highest it's
ever been since records started being kept in the late 19th century.
Nonfarm labour productivity has been rising steadily since the sixties
(averaging two and a bit percent with little deviation either way through
the entire postware era); compensation, on the other hand, started to
stall in the early seventies. Compare this: according to the World Bank,
in 1966, U.S. manufacturing wages were equal to 46% of the value added in
production, falling to 36% in 1990. Draw your own conclusions.
>Let's say I start printing aces. While I may end up with a dozen to your
>four, you can still have more than you might have otherwise.
Nice in concept, poor in execution. As you can see above, if you own the
press, you'll deal me as few as you possibly can, whether you're making
more or not.
>You're allowed to print your own deck; that's one of the freedoms.
Don't tell the US Treasury that you're printing your own deck; I hear that
they look unkindly on that sort of thing.
marco
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bizarre memory problem
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:50:16 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jon Skeet wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Jon Skeet wrote:
> > > I've tried running mkswap again on the partition, and giving it a
> > > reasonable priority (rather than the negative ones it gets with just
> > > a straight swapon -a) but I'm having no joy.
> >
> > Remember that a negative nice value (which is what it is) is of higher
> > importance than a positive one.
>
> Aha... cheers. The swapon(8) man page says that the priority given should
> be between 0 and 32767, hence my confusion :)
>
Sorry - my mistake. I was getting confused with the nice value that
kswapd gets. The negative value is the default, and means "don't
prioritize". Values here are only useful if you have more than one swap
device.
For example, I used to have two swap partitions, one on a fairly idle
drive and an "overflow" on the main drive. I set the priorities to get
it to swap to the idle drive first, and only use the overflow when
necessary.
The absolute values of this figure have no importance (I think) - it is
the relative values that matter (2462 gets used before 235 which in turn
gets used before 34 - but you could number them 3, 2 and 1 for the same
effect).
I wrongly thought you were doing weird things with the kswapd priority.
Mark.
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From: Lothar Krenzien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Supermount
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:32:33 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>
> Does anyone know what happend to the old Supermount patch?
> It doesn't look like it's being maintained for the latest
> kernel anymore.
>
> Is there a better why to allow folks to pop CDs in and out
> at will w/o having to mount/umount them manually? (Since
> there isn't much talk about this in the groups, is there
> some reason why the manual way is better?)
>
> Thanks
> Greg
>
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From: Edwin Chacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pdf tools in Linux
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:39:28 -0700
umm...Ghost view.. or xpdf(both for creating)...also they have Acrobat
reader..for (duh) reading..pdf...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to know if there are some tools for creating pdf files in
> Linux. I know that are programs that can transform Postscript into pdf
> but I am looking for something more (how do I create a pdf that has web
> links in it?).
>
> Sergiu
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman de Groot)
Subject: Script testing
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:47:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am having trouble getting scripts to do what I want/expect. I don't
get error messages but also don't get the desired results.
Is there a way to execute a script line by line and see the results?
Thanks.
Norm
Norman de Groot
Mendocino CA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Eudora-like mail program for linux? (With Filters etc)
Date: 13 May 1999 13:50:32 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael says...
>
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>>>>>> "cpu01" == cpu01 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> cpu01> What programs are there for Linux that handle automatic
> cpu01> filtering (putting mail in different mailboxes, depending
> cpu01> on sender)? Something like Eudora for Windows.
>
>Use procmail to sort your mail. That's what it's for & it's already
>installed.
...and tkmail as a client. It handles multiple mailboxes OK, and is
a fairly rich pointy-clicky client.
Mostly implemented as a tcl script, so fairly easy to customise.
ftp://ftp.slac.stanford.edu/software/TkMail/BETA/
Its been at beta9 for a long, long time. I've had no problems with it.
Cheers,
Steve
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 13 May 1999 13:39:53 -0700
In article <7hf43j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>No, you are the one who has bought into the Windows trap of being
>>married to a single distributor. What if your next hardware upgrade
> Windows is a distribution???
He didn't say that.
>Wow! Now, who the fsck maintains it
a) If you mean fuck, the second letter is a `u'
b) Microsoft, Inc.
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david parsons \bi/ time to crosspost to alt.flame
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Date: 13 May 1999 13:50:31 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
>:> No problem. No distribution of anything we've been talking about
>:> messes with /usr/local.
>:
>: So you don't consider ports as part of the distribution?
>
> Ports is part of the distribution, and is in /usr/ports. Software
> installed using the ports system isn't, no matter how many dozens of
> CDs you include in the pretty box.
>
> BSD: "distribution" == system
> Linux: "distribution" == kitchen sink
Snort.
I'm currently using OpenBSD (2.3) as my component base for Mastodon
Linux, so lets see what this BSD has in it that's essential to run
the operating system.
Looking on the CD, I see an interesting directory. ``games'' So,
a system distribution includes such OS-critical things as
backgammon, rogue, sail, wump, and pig. Well, I don't know if
you've had any experience administering Unix machines, but it's
perfectly possible to run a Unix machine that doesn't have any
of these, umm, components on it.
You've better clean out your system; it appears to have some
dirty dishes in it.
____
david parsons \bi/ Isn't it fun to see people engaging in the
\/ traditional Unix behavior of stabbing each
other in the back?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:02:51 GMT
On 13 May 1999 17:28:18 -0400, Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why not? Why shouldn't it get larger over time?
>
>There is no incentive to increased efficiency and growth. Think
>"collective agriculture". There may be (and were) effects from increased
>technology, but that is outside the scope of our discussion.
Spoken like a true technology whore :). Actually, many manufacturing
innovations and the like have been produced as a consequence of command
economies. Especially during wartime, when money is firehosed onto applied
research projects. Consider the field of management science/operations
research itself: it's a product of logistics research during world war II.
In any case, you can't have it both ways; either an economy booms during a
time of command (communism, dictatorship, war) or it doesn't.
>> War economies or command economies in general are not necessarily
>> sustainable in the long term, of course,
>
>My point.
Not necessarily? It's not a point at all. Unrestricted capitalist
economies aren't necessarily sustainable in the long term, either. At
least, they don't work for the citizenry at large; in either case, the
elite make out like bandits.
marco
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:05:45 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
> Don't tell the US Treasury that you're printing your own deck; I hear that
> they look unkindly on that sort of thing.
Yeah, I think they like arrest you and put you in jail for half your
life or something.....no big deal really.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Pipes and processes question
Date: 11 May 1999 11:44:48 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, nobody wrote:
> If you run three or more processes in a pipe within a script, and then
> check the contents of the variable $?, which process is reported?
The last.
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 broken?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:14:20 -0700
"make bzImage" is indeed the magic bullet---this is a problem with the
new kernel's make vs. lilo---not RedHat, per se.
Best Wishes,
AT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 13 May 1999 21:33:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) writes:
>
>> The biggest lie is that libertarianism would increase freedom
>> for any but the select few.
>
> Why?
Because with fewer constraints, those better able to acquire or
maintain wealth would be better able to exercise that ability.
If these people have a social conscience, they would of course
ensure that the less able are nonetheless not doomed to eke
out a miserable existence at the edge of starvation, but it
would depend on the "goodwill" of the more able, not on a
"right" given to every human by some or other process (the
nature of which is not relevant to this discussion). On the
whole, the effective position of the weak is identical,
whatever the technique used to convince the powerful that
they should moderate their behaviour.
What will never change is that some individuals are better able
to "take advantage" of the current socio-economical situation.
Convincing these people (by force if necessary) to share their
"wealth[*]" with the less able is the ultimate goal of any
organised society. Given the fact that people need a minimum
of "wealth" to experience a feeling of "well-being", gregarious
animals like humans tend to evolve societies that are largely
concerned with the appropriate repartition of "wealth".
Successful societies manage to maximize the "well-being"
of the largest majority of people; individual suffering and
the occasional "injustice" are easily dealt with in such societies.
Libertarians believe that by maximizing individual freedom, and
thus reducing the influence of the collective (which inevitably
expresses itself through the "organs of the state"), this maximum
of well-being will be achieved, mainly through the generation of
massive amounts of "wealth". The sheer volume of wealth will
ensure that, even with a massive skew towards the more able,
the "totally inept" will have access to sufficient wealth.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work.
Socialists believe that by severely restricting the freedom of
the individual, and by using the collective (IOW the organs of
the state) to divide the goods and services generated by "society"
according to certain rules, this maximum of well-being will be
achieved, mainly through the repartition of fairly scarce resources
according to moral principles such as "solidarity" and "justice".
Unfortunately, this doesn't work.
In both cases, some people are better off than others. The selection
process differs, and those who feel themselves best able to get to
the top of the heap in either system will be that system's biggest
proponents.
[*] Anything that enables people to survive, and to express their
social status.
--
Stefaan
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Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add,
but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- Saint-Exupéry
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From: Edwin Chacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: USB Support
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:33:29 -0700
go to www.linux-usb.org
Chris wrote:
> First off, please excuse my ignorance, it is about to become apparent.
>
> I would like to have an option to boot my very expensive (!) laptop into
> Linux which could house a mirror of my server configuration.
>
> PCMCIA is OK I believe, etc..
>
> However I have invested in USB peripherals, (Primarily zip/mouse) for use
> with the machine.
>
> WIll an incantation of Linux be able to address this port sometime. Or is
> the architecture such that Linux will very likely not support USB for a long
> time to come?
>
> I can certainly survive, my interest is as much curiosity as necessity.
>
> --
> Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Allen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Samba & Win 9x clients: automatically mapping drives
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:55:53 GMT
We are preparing to replace our Netware file server with a Linux
system running Samba. We considered an NT server, but Linux is what
we know and love.
I see one shortcoming under Samba, and I know there has to be a way
around it.
Under Netware, when the Win 9x client would login to the Netware
server, it would execute a login script, which would map the drives.
Similar capabilities exist under NT.
Under Samba, I (think) I have to "map a network drive" on the Win 9x
client via point & click. If the client ever boots when the server is
down (or not available), then the client will display a prompt, "Do
you want to reconnect the next time you log in?" If the user says
"No", the mapping is gone, and must be recreated manually.
How can we avoid this problem? Is there some script capability in Win
9x that remap the drives for us?
Thanks.
-Lee Allen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ESS Modem
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:22:58 -0700
Does anyone know if an ESS es56v-x pnp modem can be configured for linux.
This particular modem has a es2830 chipset.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: car mp3 player
Date: 13 May 1999 22:22:11 GMT
On 13 May 1999 21:06:21 GMT,
David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +-----On 13 May 1999 20:25:21 GMT, brian moore spoke unto us:----------
> | > I've also got another problem. Shutting the car off/shutting down the
> | > computer. If I mount the file-system read-only, is it okay to just shut it
> | > off? If not, how would I go about addressing this problem?
>
> | If you mount it readonly, yes... but that will cost some flexibility.
>
> What kind of flexibility? If I'm just playing the mp3s, then what do I
> need to write? Nevermind, I just thought about it, and it would be useful
> to write new playlists and stuff.
Yep. :)
And maybe some year get some of them PC104 A/D boards and start
monitoring goofy junk... the rules start changing once the car's got a
CPU.
> | You may want to look into using APM type stuff to handle things more
> | gracefully: running the player off an unswitched circuit in the car and
> | having it go into sleep mode when you kill the ignition or 'accessory'
> | power.
>
> What is an unswitched circuit? (I know _nothing_ about electronics)
> So it would still be running off the car battery? Or would I have another
> battery that it switches to once the car power is cut? If it is the car
> battery, won't it kill the battery in little to no time?
Yep, you've got three basic sorts of circuits in your car:
1) things that only work when the ignition is on
2) things that work when the ignition or 'accessory' is on (car stereos
are often on this line)
3) things that work all the time (where car alarms, lights, clock and
other things live)
Sorta like the 'switched' and 'unswitched' outlets on the back of a
home stereo -- it would always be running off the battery, but have it
notice that the engine is off (and 'accessory') and do a 'sleep' when it
sees that. That'll kill the drives and the CPU will use virtually no
power as well.
It allows the computer to do an orderly shutdown, much like running UPS
software on a desktop.
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need Presentation Graphics Software
Date: 12 May 1999 09:54:09 -0700
applix and staroffice have presentation software as will corel office when
it is released.
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:53:05 -0700
On Thu, 13 May 1999 07:59:23 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Nothing wrong with my memory. My contention is simply that if you set
>> up a linux box for your mother the way her Windoze box was set up, she
>> would have no more problem learning how to use it than she did
>> learning the 'doze box. And she'd have the advantage of never having
>> to deal with broken video drivers, illegal ops or BSOD.
>
>Is this serious?
>
>As much as I dispise Windows, I'd really hate to have to help my Mom
>through root, permission, /etc, fdisk, etc.
That's what secure shell is for.
[deletia]
Beats trying to do Windows admin over the phone.
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A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 13 May 1999 13:59:44 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio) writes:
> By succeeding, you do lots to prevent anyone else from having the exact
> same fair chance. A capitalist economy, to its credit, may produce lots of
> rich people (and I assume by this you mean "success"), but those rich
> people run off the labour of relatively ill-paid labourers. You would not
> be successful, or "upwardly mobile", if it weren't for a substantial
> population of workers who earned substantially less while providing you
> with cheap goods.
Fortunately for the world, none of this is true. The economy is not a
zero-sum game. In fact, *every* time two people engage in a voluntary
exchange or contract, *both* are better off[*]. If they weren't, they
wouldn't do it. Look around! You can see this happening all the
time, and you can see the evidence of its having happening millions of
times over the last few millennia.
[*] Not quite true; sometimes one of them makes a mistake and
regrets it later, but that's the exception, not the rule.
-mike
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From: Rob Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to uninstall packages?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:03:33 -0400
I'm nowhere near being a guru on this stuff as I've only been using
Linux for a few weeks, but I think I may be able to help. RedHat uses an
installation program called rpm. Check out the manual page for it and
you'll see how it works (type "man rpm" to read the manual)
The first thing you need to do is find out the name of the rpm for the
program that you want to uninstall. You can run a query of all installed
packages with the -q option. For instance if I wanted to uninstall the
XFree86 SVGA server I'd try running "rpm -q XFree86*" to look for all
the installed rpm's that started with XFree86. I'd probably see
something in the list that looks somewhat like
"XFree86-SVGA-3.3.3.1.i386.rpm" which is the package name
(XFree86-SVGA), the version (3.3.3.1) and the platform (1386).
Next you would run an uninstall which is the -e option. You don't need
the whole package name from the query, but the query is helpful if you
aren't sure if it was called "XFree86-SVGA" or "XFree86_SVGA" or if you
only knew what the first few letters were. So now you would run "rpm -e
XFree86-SVGA".
Some programs are required for other programs to run such as
XFree86-VGA16 being required for XFree86-SVGA to work. If you try
uninstalling such a program you will see a message like
removing these packages would break dependencies:
XFree86-VGA16 is needed by Xfree86-SVGA-3.3.3.1
You can force XFree86-VGA16 to uninstall by rerunning the rpm uninstall
with the option --nodeps added. (This is generally a bad idea because
now XFree86-SVGA won't work, but you may need it to uninstall and
reinstall a package which isn't working correctly.)
Installing and upgrading programs works much the same. To install you
find the .rpm you want (on the distribution or applications cd or in the
directory you downloaded it to) and go to that directory. If you want to
install you use the -i option (-ivh will display hash marks across the
screen showing the progress of the install) and to upgrade an already
installed package you would use -U (or -Uvh for the progress bar)
Like I said before I am no expert on this, but I hope I have told you
everything you needed to know, and it is easy to understand.
Chris Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm using RH6.0, which doesn't come with glint. I'm relatively new to UNIX,
> and I'm wondering whether or not there is a command line sequence that can
> locate a package and uninstall it.
>
> Also, is it dangerous if I just use the "rm" command to delete programs? The
> main reason that I want to avoid removing programs via that method (aside from
> that it would be time-consuming) is that I'm likely to miss certain files.
> However, I'm wondering whether or not it's bad for the system to just delete
> programs that are installed in the system without a complete uninstallation.
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From: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 16bpp vs 8bpp
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:05:33 +0100
Reply-To: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <8YNZ2.1046$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Dahler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Come off it fellers. Just read the damn manual.
>>
>> Talk about making a meal ...
>> Peter
>
>Ooooohh. I'm so impressed. Nice 'tude there, dude. And to think people
>said Linux users could be boorish and rude. Nah, couldn't be, could it?
>
>
Sorry I 'made a meal' of this. Having read thru the SuSE manual and
then the man pages for startx and xinit, I thought I'd go to the place
where I knew the answer would be. Apologies for not thinking of looking
in man XF86Config, it didn't even occur to me that it would be in there
! When I see a subject which I may be able to help with, I always do
just that BUT without the need for sarcastic comments. I thought
newsgroups were there to help people ??
Cheers,
Len
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