Linux-Misc Digest #192, Volume #21               Wed, 28 Jul 99 06:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: ISA AWE64 blasts!! during boot. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Setting up Advanced Power Management (was Re: Powering down with RH6.0) (Paul 
Kimoto)
  Re: top hangs when telnetting in (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: egc/egc++ (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: Need help with 3d Blaster Banshee (Mike Saunders)
  Re: boot without fsck? (Eric Wyles)
  Re: boot without fsck? ("Brian Alliet")
  Re: emergency problem, please help! (Paul Kimoto)
  Adding links/icons in X-Windows? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: math.h problem (Scott Lanning)
  Re: backing up system (Robert Fargher)
  Re: boot without fsck? (Villy Kruse)
  Re: partition magic (Ulrich Brachvogel)
  Re: CIA assassinations (Michael Powe)
  Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
  Re: Iomega Zip Plus ? (Nguyen-Dai Quy)
  case tool for linux
  Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (subvert)
  NFS error (Abd-Allah Abdul Karim)
  Re: Resize /usr partition... Is it wise? ("Alex")
  Reading News Offline (Tapio Riikonen)
  Re: Looking for a good email client (Michael Powe)
  Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Joe Cosby)
  Re: character based word processor?? ("T.E.Dickey")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ISA AWE64 blasts!! during boot.
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:13:40 GMT

In article <7nl877$1849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wittman) wrote:
> In article <7nkp2e$dvq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Yes, it is essentially the same. The order that we do things are
equal
> >(load sound module, adjust mixer setting, and then load midi module)
> >just the procedure that is different. It is working fine for me now,
> >thanks. Anyway, this may mean a bug in the awe64 midi module. What is
> >the linux distribution that you have? I have 2, the problem was with
> >Debian 2.1, which I use all the time. RedHat 6.0 apparently doesn't
have
> >the problem but I don't use it often.
>
> My Redhat 6.0 does indeed have this problem.  I'm using kernel 2.2.10
> and I get the loud blast of white noise in about one in five boots.
> Hopefully the fix you guys came up with will work for me as well; my
> girlfriend has been bugging me to fix it for quite a while now. :)
>
> -Mike

Hopefully the guidelines that we gave are enough for you to fix it.
Otherwise I can give you more details. My wife demanded me to fix it
quickly. Noise Baster woke up our baby during my night boots ;)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Setting up Advanced Power Management (was Re: Powering down with RH6.0)
Date: 27 Jul 1999 23:51:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Anthony Tsakiris wrote:
> Any advice or experiences on setting up APM on a laptop would
> be appreciated.  I'm working through this now (with RH 5.2 and a Dell 
> Latitude) with the APM and Kernel HOWTOs, but I've never rebuilt
> a kernel.

Read the appropriate entries in Documentation/Configure.help (you can also
pop them up if you use "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig") to figure out
which CONFIG_APM* options you want to try.  It appears that sometimes it's
a matter of guesswork to find out which options are compatible with your
laptop.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: top hangs when telnetting in
Date: 28 Jul 1999 01:46:09 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7n5i43$nd4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew W. Roberts wrote:
> When I telnet in to my Debian Linux system I am getting some
> strange behavior.  When I run top, the first line or two show
> up and then the program seems to hang.  Keyboard imputs do 
> nothing ('q' doesn't work).
>
> I can still telnet in with another connection and kill the dead
> top, but the screen does not clear up and I get no response from
> the system.  Ctrl-] will break the telnet session, bringing me
> back to the local host.
>
> I've also noticed the same type of behavior with other commands.
> 'ls' will hang in certain directories (for instance /usr/sbin/ )

What is your telnet client?  What is the TERM environment variable
being set to?

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: egc/egc++
Date: 27 Jul 1999 23:59:27 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7nlc6k$h6t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BunBi wrote:
> Where can I find the source code for egc/egc++ distribution?  I went to
> prep.mit.edu and only found gcc-2.8.1.

I guess you want egcs.  Please see http://egcs.cygnus.com/ .

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: Mike Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help with 3d Blaster Banshee
Date: 28 Jul 1999 05:31:23 GMT

I have a this same card.  You need to go to www.creaf.com or
www.creativelabs.com and download the banshee driver for linux from their
banshee support files area.  the instructions are there in the gzip file. 
Very easy to install and set up.  If you have questions, email me or icq
me.

-Mike Saunders
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ UIN #'s 20568557  44924874
Defra wrote:
> 
> I've got a 3d Blaster Banshee under linux but it doesn't work. Can
anybody
> help me?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (write by mail please)
> Thanks
> 
> Good work with Linux!!
> 
> 


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From: Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:23:23 -0800

I think I know where Robert is going with this one. I am
working on a similar project and have been wondering the
exact same question that Robert asked.

In my case, I am making an mp3 player that, when finished,
does not need to be useable in the traditional sense of how
one would use a computer. It just needs to be able to power
on and start up a custom application that I am writing to
play mp3's from the cd rom drive.

I need a way for this system to allow for sudden power off's
since it will be used more like a piece of stereo equipment
than like a computer.

I have a suspicion that Robert is building a similar machine
for use in his car. Am I right Robert?

So, now someone can help two of us with one answer.

Thanks,
Eric



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From: "Brian Alliet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:36:23 -0400

I've never tried this before but I think it should work. Here's my idea.
First of all, why have an HD at all?  Have a boot disk with kernel and
ramdisk image on it (kinda like what you would use to install linux). The
ramdisk image is loaded from the floppy and is rw in memory. I'm not sure
what kind of programs you are using but a simple command line mp3 player
(mpg123, etc) should fit on the disk with no problems. If not you could just
mount a hd read-only and put other stuff of it, or better yet, just run 'em
off the CD. This isn't very detailed but it's an idea. See the lilo and
kernel docs for more info on ramdisks. You might also want to take a look at
the slackware boot/root disks to see an example of a minimal root
filesystem.

-Brian Alliet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: emergency problem, please help!
Date: 28 Jul 1999 02:00:25 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7n41to$mi8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Zsolt Koppany wrote:
> I wanted to upgrade to glibs-2 on redhat-5.2 and renamed
> /lib/libc.so.6. Now I cannot boot.
> How could I restore /lib/libc.so.6 ?

You need to boot from a rescue disk.  (Does Red Hat provide one?)

> My application needs glibc-2 but I would prefer not
> to upgarde to glibc-2. Now I have built glibc-2. Could
> I just use the new glibc with changing LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?

Red Hat 5.x is a glibc-2.0 system.  If you want to use both
libc5 and glibc-2.0, then you might want to consult
http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/Glibc2-HOWTO.html .

If you want to use both glibc-2.0 and glibc-2.1, then (for
all practical purposes) you are out of luck.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Adding links/icons in X-Windows?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:20:55 GMT

Hello,

I just installed some RPM's on my Redhat 5.2
system. Can anybody tell me if I can add a link
(and/or icon) to these programs within X-Windows.
I'm ver new with the system, and allready spent a
lot of time finding out how to install the RPM's,
but to me it seems stupid to start these programs
from the x-terminal over and over again, while
there is a nice X-window possibility.

Can anybody give me some more info about my
question, and if possible, describe how to do
this.

Thanx in advance,

John


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: math.h problem
Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:18:05 GMT

Dann Corbit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Scott Lanning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: >
: where is the benefit to forcing people to add -lm if they
: use a math function?

On my system there're four math libraries: libm, libmx,
libm43, and libfastm. What'f libm contains a function also
in another math lib?

: > Also, a probe question: would you consider it more consistent
: > to require an explicit -lc on command line?
: That would be even more idiotic.

At least it would be explicitly stated on the command line.
Then people wouldn't be confused when they had to put -lm
because it would be consistent; then you wouldn't've found
16,000 archived messages on it. And that was our common goal,
wasn't it?

--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"I do believe God gave me a spark of genius, but he quenched it
in misery." --Edgar Allan Poe

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Fargher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: backing up system
Reply-To: rob@*SPAM*ME*NOT*hyla.dhis.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:16:16 -0700

On Mon, 26 July 1999 14:23:10 GMT, Derek Ealy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there any decent backup program for linux other than BRU2000?

  Check out Taper. I believe version 6.8 comes with RH 6.

> If not how does BRU2000  compare to a serious backup program like
> Seagate's Backup Exec? 

  I've not used Backup Exec but do use BRU2000PE.  BRU *seems* to
be a robust, completely featured backup utility and I've not
experienced any problems with it.  But I've not had to recover from a
tape yet. <knock on wooden head>  

  There is a TCL/Tk X front end for BRU.  While it's no Flash Harry as
one might get with a Windows program, it does provide all the basic
functionality you might want for archiving (full, incremental,
differential), restoring, scheduling, logging, multiple volumes,
verification (both checksum and byte comparison), compression,
protection, etc.)  The PE version doesn't allow for redirection on
restore though.  Check EST's web site (http://www.estinc.com) for
complete details.

  I didn't purchase BRU as a licensed copy of version 15 was included
with the Official Red Hat 5.0 distribution I purchased.  This normally
sells for US$89 but comes with no support from EST. Version 15 is still 
the current version so may be worthwhile picking up a used copy of RH 
5.0 or 5.1 to get a licensed copy of BRU2000PE.  I don't think Red
Hat included it in RH 5.2, though.

  BTW, my tape drive is a Connor CTMS-3200, takes QIC-Wide 3080
format tapes. The kernel SCSI driver identified it as /dev/st0 and BRU
found it/operates it without any further fuss.

Cheers,
Rob



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: boot without fsck?
Date: 28 Jul 1999 09:19:18 +0200

In article <7nli6l$lr2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Scott Lanning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Remove 'fsck' from startup scripts. fsck isn't mandatory.
>Also 'man fsck', as there are options to fsck only when superblock
>is dirty.



No, but if you don't fsck when you need to, a very minor problem with
the file system will most likely turn into a major one.




Villy

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From: Ulrich Brachvogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: partition magic
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:39:31 +0200

RaMzEyMe wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>     does anyone know where i can download partition magic? Thanks.
Hi,
as I know nowhere. You have to by it.

-- 
 Mit frdl. Gruss 


// <( ) 
//    \______// 
//     \____/    Ulrich Brachvogel 
//       / \ 
//               "Save The Curlew!"

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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 28 Jul 1999 00:16:24 -0700

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>>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan Bettis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Jordan> Michael Powe wrote:

    Arkadiusz> An opportunity to make your life better is quite
    Arkadiusz> different to born as rich... I mean my opinion is you
    Arkadiusz> make your money yourself - everything is ok, but if you
    Arkadiusz> get money only because you born in wealth family sth is
    Arkadiusz> unfair.  It's not ok that some ppl can't even dream

    >>  >> "Inherited wealth is a stinking fish."  -- Andrew Carnegie,
    >> in >> his time one of the wealthiest men in the world

    Jim> of course, you know that he didn't inherit it, right?
    >>  Right.  And his heirs sharply disagreed with his theory, too.
    >> ;-)

    Jordan> Carnage philanthropized most of his money away. I don't
    Jordan> think his heirs got too much of it.

He gave away a good bit but his heirs didn't hurt for money.  Despite
the clever aphorism, he was actually a cold-blooded prick who got his
money by brutalizing workers and bribing gov't officials.

mp

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Michael Powe                                  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    
Portland, Oregon USA                       http://www.trollope.org
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Amount of all stock owned by the most wealthy 1% of America: 41%
                     [Economic Policy Institute]
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:31:47 +0200

Michel Catudal schreef:

> "A.T.Z." wrote:
> >
> > Within a year of 40/50 the US will be under EU supervision (like it was
> > before), because EU market and the Euro is much bigger and stronger then
> > the US market and the US $.
>
> A bit dreamer are you?

Yes. But history repeats. So it would seem the most logical thing to happen.
But EU market IS bigger than US market, thats a fact.

> Nothing better than real money, the US dollar.

Or, in a few year the Euro. For me, I'd rather keep our Guilder. It's stable
and most of all REAL money.

> > Or the US and Europe stay completely
> > independent as they are know. I don't have the gift of the second sight,
> > so the future is open to any change that might happen.
> >
>
> It's not a gift, it's something that happens when someone abuses
> certains substances.

HE HE HE HE, go tell one of my friends who moved to Scotland. May I add to
this that one of my girlfriends says it's a gift. And she doesn't "abuses
certains substances" like you express yourself. Are you a poet?

> --
> use OS/2 for a crash proof work environment
> use Linux for safe and quick internet access
> use Winblows to test the latest viruses
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.




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From: Nguyen-Dai Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Iomega Zip Plus ?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:36:35 +0200

www.Boxing-Connection.com wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. My parallel port Iomega Zip drive is having a problem with my
> Redhat 6.0.
> 
> I found out that the problem is due to the fact that mine is Zip plus
> (because it says "AutoDetect" on its cable).
> 
> I've been looking for info on how to make Zip plus to work. Does anybody
> know about this issue? Is there a site that I can go to for this issue?
> 
> I appreciate for any help. Thanks.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------
> The Boxing Connection and Fitness Center, Inc.
> www.Boxing-Connection.com
> (914)376-9368
> ---------------------------------------------

Look for "imm" driver insteed of "ppa" !
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Phone:+32-4-3669324             Fax:+32-4-3669311
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: case tool for linux
Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:51:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am searching for some sort of casetool for linux. Preferrably free, and
be able to handle OMT and/or UML. Something similar to Rational Rose for
Windows.

Thanks in advance, and please cc to the mailaddy above.

Niclas Anderberg


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From: subvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:12:24 -0500

Hum...i don't know a lot about anything, but I was just dynamically linking
two shared objects in Linux and
they both have several functions with the same name, and it works just
fine...so whats the problem???

mlw wrote:
[stuff cut]

> I completely disagree with you. Windows .DLL are only bad because they
> have not been versioned in the past. Today .DLL files like MSVC40 and
> MSVC42 can easily co-exist. In fact, a .DLL file that uses a MSVC40
> routine fubar() can be used with a MSVC50 application that also uses a
> fubar() routine, each function will use the correct fubar() routine.
>
> Windows .DLL models are not as easy to produce as linux shared
> libraries, but they do abstract the internals and protect the user of a
> shared library.
>
> Windows .DLL files are a much better design for binary distribution.
>
> --
> Mohawk Software
> Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com


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From: Abd-Allah Abdul Karim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,jaring.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: NFS error
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:53:28 +0800

Hey people...
    I've been using RedHat 6.0 for 2 months now, and everything seems to
be perfectly fine until today. Today, the NFS server failed to start
during boot up.  Here are the errors:

==================
Starting NFS quotas
neighbour table overflow
cannot register service: RPC: unable to send; errno=No buffer space
available
[FAILED]

Starting NFS mountd
neighbour table overflow
cannot register service: RPC: unable to send; errno=No buffer space
available
mountd: unable to register (mountd, 1, udp)
[FAILED]

Starting NFS daemon
portmap: server localhost not responding
nfssvc: Input/Output error
[FAILED]
===================

    by the way, i was using windows95 before booting up linux. i had a
CD in the CD-ROM driver and a floppy disk in the floppy disk driver
while loading linux.  could that be the problem?  mucho gracias in
advance...

regards....


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From: "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resize /usr partition... Is it wise?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:45:52 GMT


Aaron Ginn wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>The problem is that most Red Hat rpm files install into /usr not
>/usr/local.
As far as I remember, you have a --prefix= option in rpm.
Like this : rpm -Uvh --prefix=/usr/local some_package.i386.rpm
>  I still have plenty of room in /usr/local for stuff that will
>go there, but I really need to make /usr bigger.
>
>Aaron
>
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tapio Riikonen)
Subject: Reading News Offline
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:36:15 GMT

A few days ago I installed slrn and slrn-pull on my solitary home
machine without troubles. I'm impressed with the systems functionality
and ease of use. Moreover, slrn has unobtrusive, pleasant console
colours. 

Now I'd like to have the option of reading my news spool with Netscape
or KRN. After some unsuccessful attempts I give up and ask for your
help. 

How do I access this local news spool (/var/spool/slrnpull/news) and
subscribe to news groups in Netscape and/or KRN?

Tapio

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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for a good email client
Date: 28 Jul 1999 01:01:24 -0700

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>>>>> "Michael" == Mykool  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Michael> I'm looking for a good pop3 email client.  I'm currently
    Michael> using Netscape mail, and am getting a little tired of it.
    Michael> I have no problems, but I think it's time for a change.
    Michael> I don't really care if it is X or console.  I've tried
    Michael> elm, exmh, arrow, mutt, pine, postillion, etc, etc.  I've
    Michael> gone through this same delimma when choosing a window
    Michael> manager and ended up staying with the one I had used
    Michael> originally.  Ain't WindowMaker great!!!  I'm not sure if
    Michael> I'll do the same thing here.  Maybe one day I'll read the
    Michael> emacs documentation and learn how to set it up for email.
    Michael> All suggestions are appreciated.

mh gives you several options -- exmh, mutt, mh-e in emacs, for front
ends, or the command line programs.  Some people use Gnus, which is
also a newsreader, for mail because it will thread your emails.  Very
useful for mailing lists, I guess.

I like mh because I can keep track of my mails without having to go
into a separate email program.  I've never tried mutt, but exmh
wouldn't run on my system and I've always preferred mh-e/emacs,
anyway. 

mp

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Portland, Oregon USA                       http://www.trollope.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Cosby)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 28 Jul 1999 03:02:51 GMT

** To reply in e-mail, remove "jigtah." from address **

 hunched over his computer, typing feverishly;
 thunder crashed,  laughed madly, then wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:03:31 GMT, Jeffrey D. Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Floyd Davidson wrote:
> >
> >> Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Oh yeah, i've tried PPPD on a linux machine and frankly it is
> >> >PATHETIC compared to miami Deluxe. The question is that have you
> >> >tried Miami Deluxe on an Amiga? I seriously doubt it, otherwish you
> >> >would not continue to make a fool out of yourslelf!
> >>
> >> In what way was pppd pathetic compared to maimi deluxe?
> >
> >    PPPD is pathetic compared to MiamiDx in many ways.  For one, PPPD is
> >JUST PPPD.  MiamiDx is TCP/IP, Firewall, IP-NAT, inetd, several built-in
> 
>  All this tells us that Amigans like to throw lots of only
>  marginally related things together. That doesn't actually
>  support the notion that there aren't things that pppd does
>  that Miami does not.
>  

Well it seems fair to say that one finds Miami superior because it
has desirable features that PPPD does not, which seems to be what
Webster is saying.

(The thread originated with someone saying that they had tried
Miami, and it didn't impress them at all, in comparison
(eventually) with PPPD.)

So what criteria of comparison should be used?


--
Joe Cosby

Amiga Fanatic

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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: character based word processor??
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:27:23 GMT

Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - There is rumor of a text mode version of WordPerfect; this would be
>   a Very Good Thing, if true.  As far as I can tell, it's not.

It's bundled only with the server version ($500).

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Thomas E. Dickey
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