Linux-Misc Digest #697, Volume #20 Sat, 19 Jun 99 13:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: checking if variable exists (Kenny McCormack)
Re: Can't paste in FVWM2: (jik-)
Re: Gnome vs. XWin (jik-)
Re: Linux vs Linux? (jik-)
Re: How to start two X servers? (jik-)
Re: Linux vs Linux? (Gene Wilburn)
Re: Red-Hat - Linux? (Gene Wilburn)
Re: Can't paste in FVWM2: (Mircea)
Re: first/second/third world (Steve Martonak)
Re: Netscape + java = crash (Lou Poppler)
which linux kernel version to use? (BM Lam)
Re: turning the modem speaker off (Jay Daniels)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Darren Winsper)
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News (Chris Lee)
Re: NT the best web platform? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscape problem w/Apache ("Brent Davies")
Re: chap (Peter Eddy)
Re: which linux kernel version to use? (Byron A Jeff)
Re: Gnome vs. XWin ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Linux vs Linux? (Johan Kullstam)
UML Tool (Al)
Red-Hat - Linux? (Tom Alsberg)
How do you install a printer? (Charles Koerner)
add user (sadams)
linux on 386 (Stefano Ghirlanda)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: checking if variable exists
Date: 19 Jun 1999 08:27:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7kelvi$eaj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i want to check if a certain environment variable exists, if it
>doesn't,perform some commands,if it does exist, go on as if nothing had
>happened. i want to put this in the .cshrc file.
>how ?
In csh, the idiom is:
if ($?var) then
echo Variable exists
else
echo It does not exist
endif
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't paste in FVWM2:
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:13:30 -0700
Pat Masterson wrote:
>
> I'm running fvwm2 with a 2 button microsoft mouse. I can drag
> it across text, and that text becomes highlighted. But clicking
> the right button doesn't do a paste. How can I fix this? -pat
its the middle button. You need to actived 3 button emulation and push
both buttons at once to get the same effect.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome vs. XWin
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:14:46 -0700
Brad McBride wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to install Linux on my computer and am trying to plan
> out what packages I will install (I am a little limited on space). I was
> wondering what oppinions existed regarding Gnome and XWindows. Which is
> better or in what situations would I want to use one over the other.
> This system will only act as a dialup workstation. Thanks for any
> information that anyone has.
You cannot use Gnome without the X window system. There is no vs. here.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Linux?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:19:20 -0700
Mike Persell wrote:
>
> I am fairly new to the Linux ranks. I will say that my system is already
> MS free and I'm loving it.
>
> My question is...I have SuSE 6.1 installed and I'm doing okay but still
> feel like I could do more with the more popular distributions like RH
> and
> Mandrake.
Why??? As others have stated already, RH is certainly no better then
your current,...or should I say past,...setup. I have tried all, and
whent with the best but least popular Slackware....RH rated 2nd worse on
my list with Debian the only worse. SuSE was 2nd BEST, if it had chosen
the right(TM) init and rc setup I would have kept it at least a while
longer.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to start two X servers?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 02:22:19 -0700
> ---
> Hmm. Try startx -- -bpp 16 :1. I'm not sure it it's right, but I remember that
> you need the to invoke startx with :1 (or :2, :3 for others).
You need more...
startx -ws 1 -- :1 -bpp 16
putting the one last will not work as I remember.
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Linux?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:45:10 GMT
Experimenting with various distros of Linux is a great education in how
they are the same, yet different. I currently run 4 distros on my
workstation -- with today's jumbo drives, this is easy to do and it's
fun.
If you want to do this over the longer term, you might want to pick up
an easily supported card that all the distros like. Then you can
concentrate on the interesting stuff instead of the hardware.
Gene
Mike Persell wrote:
>
> I am fairly new to the Linux ranks. I will say that my system is already
> MS free and I'm loving it.
>
> My question is...I have SuSE 6.1 installed and I'm doing okay but still
> feel like I could do more with the more popular distributions like RH
> and
> Mandrake. I tried once to install RH6 and it won't find any of my NICs,
> an
> IBM Etherjet, a Netgear FA310TX or a 3COM 3c900. I bought SuSE 6.1
> because
> it sees al the hardware in the box. I borrowed a friends Mandrake 6.0
> for
> a trial run and the same problem happened, no eth0 with any of the NICs
> installed (I only use one at a time, btw).
>
> I have been given a copy of Mandrake 6.0 for dad's day. Is Mandrake vs
> SuSE
> worth buying a supported NIC?
>
> Mike
--
===================================================================
Gene Wilburn, Northern Journey Online, http://www.interlog.com/~njo
===================================================================
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red-Hat - Linux?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:55:57 GMT
Pure FUD. Of course Red Hat is Linux. All the distros are Linux. I'm
partial to SuSE, but I've successfully used RH for many a machine. It
didn't get to be the number one distro for nothing...
Gene
Tom Alsberg wrote:
>
> Hi there... I should tell the only Linux distro I've used was
> Slackware, now considering changing to another distro, my question is -
> why do so many people say Red Hat is /not/ really Linux? is it the
> ease-of-use? does it use different libraries? a shell of his own? a
> incompatible networking kernel or X server kit? I want Linux, real
> Linux, really real Linux, is Red Hat for me? if not, what would be for
> me? what are all the differences between all the distros anyway?
>
> Information wouldn't hurt ;-),
>
> Tom Alsberg
--
===================================================================
Gene Wilburn, Northern Journey Online, http://www.interlog.com/~njo
===================================================================
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't paste in FVWM2:
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 10:33:37 -0400
The paste function is on the middle button, which you don't have. You
can turn on the 3-button emulation, which will allow you to use the
middle-button functions by simultaneously clicking the right and left
buttons.
MST
Pat Masterson wrote:
>
> I'm running fvwm2 with a 2 button microsoft mouse. I can drag
> it across text, and that text becomes highlighted. But clicking
> the right button doesn't do a paste. How can I fix this? -pat
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Martonak)
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:33:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>According to "All Things Considered" on NPR, the terms
>first, second and third world were coined by a French academic
>to describe, respectively, nations aligned with the U.S.,
>nations aligned with the U.S.S.R., and unaligned nations.
This is how I remember it from 30 something years ago. But then
somewhere along the way the term "third world" came to mean
undeveloped.
--
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From: Lou Poppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape + java = crash
Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:01:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:35:08 -0500, Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'm using Netscape Communicator with RedHat 6.0 on my box and it just dies
: anytime it has to view a Java applet. Is there any work-around for this? How
: about installing a Java VM? Anything would help. I want to view job listings
: online and I can't get to some companies sites because my browser dies once it
: gets near Java.
What version of Netscrape are you running ?
What error messages do you see when it dies ?
Do you have the java classes installed with your netscape ?
--
Lou Poppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Would you try to solve your Y2K
http://www.msen.com/~lwp/ | problems by giving more money to
a company whose main product is
named Xxxxxxx95 and Xxxxxxx98 ?
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From: BM Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which linux kernel version to use?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:30:56 +0200
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I installed Linux 1.2.3 a while ago on my PC. Though working pretty much
with Unix, I only turn on my Linux PC now and then.
I am planning to install Oracle8 on Linux. Could anyone tell me if I
would be ok with my current kernel version or if I need to upgrade,
which version is the most stable or recommendable one?
Thanks for any hints.
bml
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From: Jay Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux.slakware
Subject: Re: turning the modem speaker off
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:35:25 -0400
Fanni Kolchina wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Could anyone please tell me how I can turn off the modem speaker?
> I have a Zoltrix 33.6 modem, slackware 3.3 and I use ezppp for
> dialup.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Fanni.
>
add M0 to your init string; or, for low speaker volumn try L0
Ax
A=A-Z
x=0-9
Look in your modem manual for correct init string.
--
______________________________________________________________________
"Captain, I just uploaded a virus called Windows to the
Klingon computer system."
-Spock
Jay Daniels Pc-Technical Services
http://planttel.net/~pctech/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
______________________________________________________________________
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:22:19 GMT
On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:21:59 -0300, Scott MacDonald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A My Cdrom can read 24X on the inner section of the disk and 12X on the
> outer. I don't see how hard drives wouldn't be the same. 2.7X faster could
> be created by this fact. I don't belive this was the only factor though.
I think you mean the other way round. CAV drives get faster as you
move outwards.
--
Darren Winsper
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper/
Shame there isn't much there yet though.
Skiier: Avalanche looking for a place to happen.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: 19 Jun 1999 16:34:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:22:10 +1200, "Stuart Fox"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:> This would be easy to program, but would never work, because
>:> Unix users just *don't* set up their software to
>:> automatically execute e-mail attachments.
>
>
>Wow, this was a beautiful piece of FUD I missed.
What FUD? How do you think BO got to be so popular with the Windows set?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:49:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Don't forget the "low budget testing environment" Mindcraft had.... They
>>dual-booted their Quad-Xeon box (which of course made for a lousy benchmark
>>right there and then --- those hard disks are not really behaving the same
>>over their whole capacity).
>I'll admit, I'm curious as to how much of a difference that makes.
>Does anyone have specs as to the difference in raw throughput
>rate between Cylinder 0 and the last cylinder of, say,
>an IBM DDRS-39130 (which is what I happen to have :-) ), or
>any other disk?
For the DDRS 39130 the difference in sustained throughput for
large accesses is 12.9MB/s vs 8.01MB/s, i.e. angular data density
(and thus throughput) is about 60% higher on the outer tracks than
on the inner tracks.
>(But NT was 2.7x faster. I fail to see this being a *complete*
>explanation by any means.
Oh no, there was much more wrong. But it was already a pretty bad start
for a company that claims to be in the business of accurately measuring
relative performance ;-)
Bernie
--
============================================================================
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
...let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
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From: "Brent Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Netscape problem w/Apache
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:49:07 GMT
I really appreciate all of the advice for HTML editors, and I will look into
them, but my problem with Apache/Netscape still remains.
I am conversing with someone over email, and he asked me to more fully
describe the problem. I tried to, and I'm copying that text into this
posting.
Pasted text:
I have multiple web sites on one server. I am using the VirtualHost
directive in httpd.conf to accomplish this. This problem exists on
some, but not all, of the virtual sites. The file srm.conf is correctly
configured so that the DirectoryIndex files are index.html, index.htm,
index.shtml, index.cgi. Ok, as for the Apache configuration, that is all
the relevant info that I can think of. If there's something in Apache that
you need me to tell you, ask and I'll reply.
Now, when I open Internet Explorer on a Windows machine and attach to the
web site, it works great. When I open Netscape Navigator on a Win box and
hit the web site, I get source code. The interesting thing about it is that
the source code is from the correct index.html page. That would tell me
that Netscape made a request to access the web site, Apache said, "what URL
are you looking for", Netscape replied, Apache said, "Ok, you did not
specifiy a document name, so my srm.conf file says that I should look for
index.html first. Ah, here it is, Apache passed the file to Netscape.
Perfect. So why does Netscape display it as source code and not
graphical!?! It's a little frustrating, though I'm not blaming you.
Anyway, that is about as much detail as I can think of. I'm sure that I
forgot something. If you want anything more, let me know.
Thanks,
-B
Jeremy Lunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chris Harshman wrote:
> >
> > Brent Davies wrote:
> > > the web site with HotMetal Pro. I don't know if a WYSIWYG editor in
Linux.
> >
> > Netscape Communicator's Composer module. I do 95% of my layout
> > and editing in there, and then fire up Emacs for final tweaks.
>
> That's what I used to use in Winbloze, but I found that the syntax that
> it used to be a pain to edit afterwards.
>
> --
> Jeremy Lunn
> Melbourne, Australia
> ICQ: 19255837
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From: Peter Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: chap
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:37:38 -0400
You should have read the PPP-HOWTO of course :)
You'll probably need a file called /etc/ppp/chap-secrets with (I'd
guess) something like:
username ppp0 password
Again, I'm guessing as to the contents. I'm happily off ppp hopefully
for good.
Peter
Patrick wrote:
>
> my isp supports chap
> i have edited ppp-secrets
> but there is error, can u tell me how to solve it?
> the connection terminated after connecting between ppp0 and
> /dev/modem
>
> Jun 18 23:29:42 love chat[275]: CONNECT -- got it
> Jun 18 23:29:42 love chat[275]: send (^M)
> Jun 18 23:29:42 love pppd[274]: Serial connection established.
> Jun 18 23:29:43 love pppd[274]: Using interface ppp0
> Jun 18 23:29:43 love pppd[274]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
> Jun 18 23:29:49 love pppd[274]: Connection terminated.
> Jun 18 23:29:49 love pppd[274]: Exit.
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: which linux kernel version to use?
Date: 19 Jun 1999 11:45:27 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BM Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I installed Linux 1.2.3 a while ago on my PC. Though working pretty much
>with Unix, I only turn on my Linux PC now and then.
>
>I am planning to install Oracle8 on Linux. Could anyone tell me if I
>would be ok with my current kernel version or if I need to upgrade,
>which version is the most stable or recommendable one?
You definitely need to upgrade. Probably best to the latest 2.2 kernel which
I believe is 2.2.10 right now.
You're probably going to have to completely reinstall. Presuming we're talking
about kernel version 1.2.3, what you have is so old that Oracle wouldn't
know what to do with it.
Which distribution did you have? RedHat, Slackware? Whichever it was get
the latest version and install it (6.0 for Redhat, 4.0 for Slackware, 6.1 if
you like SuSE). Then install the latest kernel. Then you'll probably be fine.
BAJ
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome vs. XWin
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:25:34 -0400
Here's the levels involved, from basic to advanced:
1) X-Windows: X-Windows isn't even a graphical-user interface by
itself... it's just a collection of libraries and components that make it
easier for other programs to act as GUI's. This is just the basic
foundation.
2) Window manager: Like Enlightenment, Afterstep, fvwm95, and so
forth. A window manager is a program that uses the x-window libraries to
construct a graphical-user interface. The next layer on the pyramid.
3) Desktop manager: The only two I know of are Gnome and KDE. Contrary
to common misconception, these are not window managers... they require a
window manager already running that they can run "on top" of (Gnome is
usually seen running on top of Enlightenment, while KDE usually uses it's
own built-in "kwm" window manager). These desktop managers "extend" the
underlining window managers by allowing for such things as drag-and-drop
between windows, toolbars/shortcut-bars at the bottom of the screen that
applications can dock into, themes (like with Windows95 Plus), and so
forth.
I believe the debate you're REALLY asking about is whether you should
use a full-blown desktop manager, or just a basic window manager. The only
way to really answer this is to just try both for awhile... and see which
works best for you. Desktop managers are far more powerful, but use more
memory.
A lot of old-school purists hate desktop managers (I think it has to do
with the silly notion that the Linux community is "selling out" to make
Linux look like Windows95). Personally, I think that KDE is the greatest
thing to come along since sliced bread... but at the same time I also find
no text editor faster or more powerful than "vi", so maybe there's a bit of
purist in all of us! <smile>
Steve
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Subject: Re: Linux vs Linux?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Jun 1999 10:39:59 -0400
Mike Persell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am fairly new to the Linux ranks. I will say that my system is already
> MS free and I'm loving it.
welcome to linux. hope you continue to like it.
> My question is...I have SuSE 6.1 installed and I'm doing okay but
> still feel like I could do more with the more popular distributions
> like RH and Mandrake.
the number one purpose of a distribution is to get a critical mass of
linux and gnu tools onto your system. the one that works for you, is
the one you want. there's no need to switch.
once installed, there really is very little difference between the
distributions. sure, some have bsd init scripts and some have sysv
style scriptage. you will prefer whichever you get used to. i like
sysv because it is powerful and quick once you learn it but it can be
a bit confusing at first.
all of them have some sort of packaging system[1]. most have
configuration utilities. these are also sources of variation, but
fairly invisible in your actual use[2] of the system.
> I tried once to install RH6 and it won't find any of my NICs, an IBM
> Etherjet, a Netgear FA310TX or a 3COM 3c900. I bought SuSE 6.1
> because it sees al the hardware in the box. I borrowed a friends
> Mandrake 6.0 for a trial run and the same problem happened, no eth0
> with any of the NICs installed (I only use one at a time, btw).
this is strange. the NIC support is in the kernel and all the kernels
are the same. it's all linux. therefore, even if the install didn't
get it right, you could have gotten it to work eventually.
> I have been given a copy of Mandrake 6.0 for dad's day. Is Mandrake
> vs SuSE worth buying a supported NIC?
no. your system works. go with it!
> Mike
[1] you can always install by compiling sources no matter what
distribution you start with.
[2] as opposed to setup and administration.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: UML Tool
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:26:51 -0400
I am looking for a UML Tool (similar to Rational Rose) that will work on
Linux.
Does anybody know of one.
Thanks
Al
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From: Tom Alsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Red-Hat - Linux?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:47:00 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi there... I should tell the only Linux distro I've used was
Slackware, now considering changing to another distro, my question is -
why do so many people say Red Hat is /not/ really Linux? is it the
ease-of-use? does it use different libraries? a shell of his own? a
incompatible networking kernel or X server kit? I want Linux, real
Linux, really real Linux, is Red Hat for me? if not, what would be for
me? what are all the differences between all the distros anyway?
Information wouldn't hurt ;-),
Tom Alsberg
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From: Charles Koerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do you install a printer?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:53:20 GMT
I changed to my daughters HP Deskjet 820Cxi for Windows Professional
Series" printer. My HP 4l went south, but it was working. Now I cant
get the DeskJet to print, it is not listed in the "printtool".
Need basic help.
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From: sadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: add user
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:09:25 +0000
Hello all,
I used to have a nice graphical interface to replace adduser(useradd).
Somewhere, I lost it; I don't remember what it was called. Any
suggestions for a adduser GUI would be appreciated. Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: linux on 386
Date: 19 Jun 1999 14:38:33 GMT
Hi everyone,
I happen to have an 386 with which I would like to do something useful,
but mostly play with :-)
Now, I still have to open it to see what's inside (got it from a friend
for free) but I would like to know if there is some info about minimum
hardware requirements to run a simple linux system.
My plan is to use it as a loghost for a small network (5-6 machines) so
that it should only allow syslogd or simlar connections and from these
machines only. There doesn't need to be any X or fancy stuff or even user
programs beyond what's needed to examine the logfiles.
Any suggestions or pointers are welcome...
thanks a lot,
Stefano
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