Linux-Misc Digest #621, Volume #24 Sat, 27 May 00 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux) (Victor Wagner)
Re: PHP vs Java (Victor Wagner)
Re: afio backup-Did I stump everyone or miss something really obvious??? (Dave Brown)
Re: Problem with re-partitioning win98 drive ("Mike Lacey")
Re: What web server? (Philip Brown)
Re: What web server? (Chin Fang)
Re: A curious problem with Red Hat Linux 6.1. (Ed Hurst)
Re: Billing software for Linux? (Garry Knight)
Re: No sound for Sound Blaster Live (Wildman)
Re: How to tell which linux I'm in (Tom Fawcett)
Re: What web server? (Rich Teer)
Re: "On the next boot fsck will be FORCED" Sure :-) but why *not* ?? (Andrei A.
Dergatchev)
Re: Billing software for Linux? (David Bell)
Re: Bash vs. Korn shell Problem (Marty McGowan)
Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!! ("Jason Bentley")
Re: Bash vs. Korn shell Problem (Marty McGowan)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Carl Fink)
Re: OK, so how do they do it? (Carl Fink)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
Date: 27 May 2000 10:06:53 +0400
In comp.os.linux.misc JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Quite. My Phoebe hardware ISA modem came with very reasonable
: defaults: no-pnp, com2. In this configuration I was able to slap it in
: and use it immediately.
Reasonable?! Internal modem is next worst thing to winmodem.
Modem should be a separate box, attached to the com port with cable.
Most important thing in this setup are leds and its independent power
swithch. I don't know how it looks in the West, but here in Russia it is
qute possible that modem would hang on noisy line and only
power-cycling would revive it. How'd you power-cycle internal modem?
Only thing that I don't like about external modem is that they require
something other than 5V DC or 12V DC. (typically 12V AC). If they need
some voltage, which I could get from the main power supply of machine,
I'd be able to get rid of those power supply units.
:>
:>When I installed my modem in win, I needed a bunch of driver diskettes to
:>get it to work.
No, not at all. You need a bunch of driver diskettest to make _windows_
_think_ your modem works.
Using Dos terminal program like Telix or self-written Tcl script you
could make your modem working immediately without any drivers.
: One should never need to 'install' a modem. A real modem is as
Why? You don't consider unscrewing case, finding ISA slot, fiddling with
IRQ-s "installing"? It can turn into half an hour of downtime.
External modems are ones whose installation doesn't interrupt system
operation. You bring in from shop, you connect it, you turn it on, and
other users of your machine do their work in the same time.
--
Whoa...I did a 'zcat /vmlinuz > /dev/audio' and I think I heard God...
-- mikecd on #Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: PHP vs Java
Date: 27 May 2000 10:13:26 +0400
In comp.os.linux.misc Ben Chausse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: We have a webserver on Debian 2.2 with apache 1.3.12 & mod_perl 1.21 and
: I would like to know what is the best between PHP and Java (.php or
: ..jsp) ????
You have mod_perl and you are asking about php?!
You must be joking. HTML::Mason Apache::ASP or Apache::ePerl modules from CPAN
is what you really need. As far as I remember they are available as aprt
of Debian 2.2. At least ePerl and Apache::ASP.
php is just an interpreter of scripts embedded in the web-pages, and you
are already have language interpreter embedded in your apache. (Probably
you also have people who know perl, but don't know php). Don't switch
from real programmingl language like perl to toy like php. Just use
appropiate high-level modules to achive better productivity.
: Do you know any web pages about benchmark test on PHP and Java ???
Java is another matter. It is Real Language, and as such it has not only
disadvantages, but advantages as well. If you run Solaris 8, I might
suggest you to switch to Java, but Java is just too closed-source to
work reliable on Linux - there are several incompatible version of JDK
and JRE from different vendor.
For God's sake, stick with perl, python, tcl and lisp/scheme. These languages
are proven their reliability in OpenSource environments.
: Thanks ...
: Ben0iT ...
--
Умное табу делает вид, что его ничто не касается.
--- С.Е. Лец
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: afio backup-Did I stump everyone or miss something really obvious???
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 May 2000 18:24:45 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nick Garigliano wrote:
>> I'm trying to do an afio backup of my redhat 6.2 system to a 1 gb scsi
>> jazz drive. Here are the steps that I'm using:
>>
>> - cfdisk to create a primary Linux partition (use entire disk)
>> - mke2fs to create an ext2 fs on the disk. Disk mounts and can copy
>> to it.
>> - from root dir "find . -path '/proc' -prune -o -print | afio -o -z
>> -Z -v /dev/sdb1"
>>
>> The backup runs and writes to the disk but at the end the disk can't be
>> read. Running e2fsck reports that there is no file or directory while
>> trying to open /dev/sdb1 and then suggests an alternative superblock.
>> Try that and it reports a whole bunch of bad inodes. I've tried several
>> variations such as setting the block size in both mke2fs and afio to
>> 1024, running the backup with dev/sdb1 mounted and unmounted, doing the
>> backup on a small sub directory to ensure that the archive isn't bigger
>> than 1 gb and some other things that I can't really remember.
I'm not familiar with afio, but I presume the problem is that you are
writing directly to the device /dev/sdb1. This destroys the file system
that you previously created, and writes a byte-stream to the raw device.
So if you're going to create the archive on a filesystem, you have to mount
it and send the output of afio (or whatever) to a file located on that file
system. If you're going to write to a raw device, then forget the file
system creation, and don't try to mount it.
PS: backing up a live filesystem is not a great idea. Best to boot up
with rescue diskette, mount the file system on some temp mount point and
back it up from there. You're on track when you don't include /proc,
but there's liable to be other file systems mounted (i.e., /winc, etc.)
which you don't want included in your archive. tar has a nice option for
this "-l", which restricts the archive to the one filesystem being archive,
not other mounts. Also, "-prune" is tricky to get it to work correctly.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: "Mike Lacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with re-partitioning win98 drive
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:36:12 +0100
Dear All.
I'm having a similar(ish) problem.
I have a Win98 machine with a 9gb (model 80h)drive. I downloaded Partition
Manager followed the (very simple) instructions for shrinking the Win98
FAT32 partition. I rebooted, ran scandisk (as per instructions to adjust the
free space) which told me that the last cluster on the drive was unreadable.
With some misgivings I continued with scandisk and then split the free
space, using Partition Manager again, into a Linux and a Linux Swap
partition.
Problem - Win98 Explorer still thinks that C: is 9gb after the
repartitioning excersise.
So - all help and suggestions gratefully received, I would be grateful if
you would copy me by email on any posts.
Regards,
Mike
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Emerick Rogul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I just bought a new Win98 box from Gateway, and it has a 30GB disk
> setup with one FAT32 partition. I want to dual-boot this PC with
> Win98 and RH Linux. I tried to partition my drive with FIPS 2.0, but
> it complained that it didn't recognize my drive type (44h) and
> exited. I then downloaded Partition Resizer: it complained that my
> filesystem wasn't FAT (even though it is FAT32, which Partition
> Resizer claims to work with), and wouldn't allow me to resize it.
>
> Does anyone have a clue as to what's going on? Do I have some bizarre
> drive that these utilities can't recognize or is the disk just too
> big? I don't want to fork over the $$ for PartitionMagic (Assuming
> even _That_ will work) unless there's an alternative.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> -Emerick
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Emerick Rogul /\/ "i was going to take every drug known to the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\/ human race and shag anything that moved."
> ------------------------------------------------- 'ecstasy', irvine welsh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 May 2000 23:54:50 GMT
On 27 May 2000 18:56:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 May 2000 02:50:40 +0800, James wrote:
> >
> >Your few words wake me up and solve my question. This is really amazing and
> >surprising, Hotmail is using Apache and FreeBSD. I always suppose they should
> >use MS technology and MS IIS.
> >
>This may be because you think hotmail is one of MS's "innovations".
>In fact, like all of MS's "innovations" (except maybe "Bob"), it
>was bought (or stolen). They tried to port the system to MS products
>and it was a disaster. They haven't tried again.
actually, they DID try again. and they failed again.
--
[Trim the no-bots from my address to reply to me by email!]
[ Do NOT email-CC me on posts. Pick one or the other.]
S.1618 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:SN01618:@@@D
The word of the day is mispergitude
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chin Fang)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
Date: 27 May 2000 17:25:04 -0700
>Your few words wake me up and solve my question. This is really amazing and
>surprising, Hotmail is using Apache and FreeBSD. I always suppose they should
>use MS technology and MS IIS.
Do not forget that for hotmail, the core part is the "mail", which is
powered by Dr. Dan Bernstein's qmail (see: http://cr.yp.to/). qmail is
far more scalable than sendmail, and much simpler and faster too. As
to MS? Well, they don't have anything of such caliber :>
Microsoft, with the purchase of hotmail, becomes the biggest
application service provider user based wise, and a big consumer of
free UNIX software (qmail, by design, is not portable to Windoz, a
good thing). MS' attempts to replace qmail failed miserably according
to Dr. Bernstein's web pages.
Oddly, even with such irrefutable evidences, MS Exchange still sells
well??
Regards,
Chin Fang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A curious problem with Red Hat Linux 6.1.
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:30:35 -0500
Madhusudan Singh wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have a strange problem with running fvwm on RH Linux 6.1. I did
> not have a .fvwm2rc file in my directory. When I created one, I found
> that my fvwm manager does not respond to any changes in that. What is
> going on ? I have previously used fvwm on RH Linux 5.2 without any
> problems.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Madhusudan Singh.
Are you using just Fvwm2 or do you have the "AnotherLevel" package
installed? If the latter, then the config files are totally different,
using m4 procession language. To get simple Fvwm2, you'll have to
un-install AnotherLevel.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Garry Knight)
Subject: Re: Billing software for Linux?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:36:47 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>Are there any billing software packages that run on Linux
>(or work perfectly with WINE?)?
There's a big list of software that will work with WINE at
http://www.winehq.com
--
Garry Knight
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wildman)
Subject: Re: No sound for Sound Blaster Live
Date: 28 May 2000 00:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to tell which linux I'm in
Date: 27 May 2000 17:53:31 -0700
* Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > More orver, here's the info I got by 'uname -a' from a famous site,
> > >
> > > Linux sdf 2.0.36 #5 Sat May 13 22:56:46 GMT 2000 i686 unknown
> > >
> > > how can I know more detail info about it, e.g. vender, version...
> > > anything.
> >
> > Vendor of what? Version of what?
>
> Sorry, I mean whether it is debian/slackware, RH 6.0 or RH 6.1... that
> sort of things
By convention, /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net contain information like this,
printed by getty before the login prompt. I don't know how many
distributions put information there, but Red Hat and Mandrake do, and
Debian probably does as well.
See the manpages for issue and issue.net for more info.
-Tom
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
From: Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What web server?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:05:59 GMT
On 27 May 2000, Chin Fang wrote:
> Oddly, even with such irrefutable evidences, MS Exchange still sells
> well??
Of course! Never under estimate the stupidity (or gullibility) of the
general public - especially those who hold the purse strings...
--
Rich Teer
NT tries to do almost everything UNIX does, but fails - miserably.
The use of Windoze cripples the mind; its use should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offence. (With apologies to Edsger W. Dijkstra)
If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
Voice: +1 (250) 763-6205
WWW: www.rite-group.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei A. Dergatchev)
Subject: Re: "On the next boot fsck will be FORCED" Sure :-) but why *not* ??
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:15:41 GMT
Dear Mr. Pitcher,
Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation :-) !
So, I'll have to believe that while in the past I had that file -
/etc/fastboot, I managed to lose it somehow. Well, I recall
a few days ago I had a very bad lock of the system -
I ran jobs with redirection of their outputs to file (>), and one
of jobs required more memory then there was available RAM;
somehow it seemengly created endless disk activity (probably
the fact that my swap file is on the same mount point didn't
help)
- kills and shutdowns didn't have any effect for 10 minutes
and I was reluctant to wait longer, so that I had to power it
down and exactly after that moment I started to see this
message. So, this file was somehow deleted then.
Ok, now everything is clear.
Thanks again !
Regards,
Andrei
On Fri, 26 May 2000 04:10:22 GMT, Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[snip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bell)
Subject: Re: Billing software for Linux?
Date: 28 May 2000 01:19:28 GMT
>There's a big list of software that will work with WINE at
>http://www.winehq.com
Yup. I tried the site yesterday and it was down.. I still can't get through.
I hope it goes back up soon! Thanks for your responce!
=========================
David Bell - Otherwise known as DB7654321
Remember to remove nospam, notrash or anything odd looking from my email
address. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marty McGowan)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: Bash vs. Korn shell Problem
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:27:25 GMT
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From: "Jason Bentley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.certification.cisco,alt.certification.mcse,alt.certification.network-plus,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!!
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:07 -0000
It will take you years to gain certification?
WOW! You are smart.
Jason
Sebastiaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Whats all the fuss about?
> I think these camps are excellent, only the material u need, why would
> somebody wanna study years and years when its possible in one month.
> If you aint talented enough than just dont do it and mind your own
business.
> This is excellent for people that really wanna learn something, its heavy
> alrite but atleast it gets you somewhere.
> I dont understand what all the noise be about.
> Yall linux gurus afriad you wasted al ur time experimenting with
"real-world
> experience".
> I guess some people just dont understand the real meaning of studying or
> even whats studying is about.
> when i read all the replies: old farts with oldfashioned opinions who just
> need something to discuss about.
> i'd say go critisize about something that really deserves critic.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bas
> (somebody who did a couple o boot camps with success and is happy he did
> them)
>
> Harold S. Frydman heeft geschreven in bericht
> <3QzX4.450$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Don't let people fool you. THIS is NOT brain surgery. There are lots of
> >people out there that will tell you all that counts is Real-World
> >experience...and they wouldn't be wrong...but they wouldn't be 100% right
> >either.
> >
> >Doctors spend years learning the basics before they are allowed to
practice
> >medicine. Lawyers must have years of education before they're allowed to
> >practice law. Why should the IT profession be any different?
> >
> >Nobody is saying that certification is the end...in fact, think about it
as
> >premed or prelaw...the more you know the better you'll do in a real word
> >environment later. The CMA course is a great BEGINNING....what you do
with
> >it afterward is everyone's personal choice. As an experienced admin for
> many
> >years I'd have to say I'd rather someone with no experience AND
> >certification, rather than no experience and no education.
> >
> >
> >
> >Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> Since they are providing people to do the "students" cooking, laundry,
> >> and their cleaning, I wonder if they also provide professional test
> >> takers to take their tests for them as well.
> >>
> >> Does this "real-world" lab environment also have simulated "dumb
> >> end-users", simulated unreasonable bosses, and simulated crackers to
> >> break into the servers or use make use of the email server as a relay
> >> point for spam? I'm just about curious how "real world" it is.
> >>
> >> One other question: Who gets to fix the laptops when the "students"
> >> inadvertently break them when fiddling around with fdisk? Is a *real*
> >> desktop support person on hand to wipe their butts in that way too?
> >>
> >> > "Harold S. Frydman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:wTuX4.129$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > http://certcoach.homestead.com
> >> >
> >> > MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA, LPI (Linux Professional Institute), A+, Network+
> >> > 15 College Credits from Regents University, a fully accredited
program
> >offered by the State University of New York.
> >> >
> >> > Hello...
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to introduce a new concept in Certification Boot Camps.
> >CMAdmin, Inc. is proud to announce the Certified Master Administrator
> >program. The CMA program has been designed for those who wish to get all,
> or
> >most, of the IT Certifications quickly and with the most hands on
> >experience.
> >> >
> >> > This program is not for everyone. But if you have the time to
devote,
> >we guarantee not only that you will pass all the exams, but that you will
> >get the real-world experience that 30 HARDCORE days will provide.
> >> >
> >> > How can we accomplish this? By providing the highest level of
service
> >the industry has to offer. Our instructors are top of the line, our
classes
> >are limited to 10 students with 3 Certified Instructors...that's 3
students
> >per Instructor...noone even comes close. State-of-the-art Labs and
> >classrooms, including Cisco Routers.
> >> >
> >> > All your needs are taken care of. From first class accomodations
(your
> >own villa with full kitchen, cable TV, quiet, Jacuzzi, Laptop for extra
> >study. Full meals (customized meal plans available), transportation,
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thing
> >you have to worry about is learning, training, studying and passing the
> >tests.
> >> >
> >> > For more info please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > or call (718) 544-2234.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you and good luck.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Bernie
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marty McGowan)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: Bash vs. Korn shell Problem
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:28:50 GMT
On 26 May 2000 10:06:59 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven Buehrle wrote:
> >In comp.unix.questions Ken Abrahamsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Under the Korn shell (AIX 4.3.2), the following does properly initialize the
> >> stated Wkdy Mon Day Time Zone Year variables from the date command:
> >> (from within a ksh script):
> >> date | read Wkdy Mon Day Time Zone Year
> >
> >> However, under RH6.1 (BASH), the variables Wkdy Mon Day Time Zone Year do
> >> not get set (are null).
> >
> >The bash man page hints to the reason when it describes pipelines. Its
> >explained much better in the bash FAQ however. See
> >ftp://ftp.cwru.edu/pub/bash/FAQ
>
> Thanks for pointing out this problem. I have to teach Linux and bash to
> people with Korn shell experience, and like to be able to mention differences.
> Since bash and ksh claim "POSIX" compliance (at least, to some greater extent),
> they should work alike.
>
> It's hard for me to understand why bash would spawn child-processes to
> implement the pipe, but that seems to be the "excuse" that the FAQ uses.
> It would seem that, if Korn shell can "make the connection" without a
> subprocess, bash could also.
>
> --
> Dave Brown Austin, TX
ksh is POSIX compatible.
bash claims it.
-- Marty McGowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
voting member of POSIX P1003.{1,3}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 28 May 2000 00:06:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not enough of a programmer to contribute to technical aspects of
this discussion, but in the current LINUX JOURNAL they interview all
the contributors to the 1.0 kernel they could locate. One of them,
Warner Losh (contributor to some early non-x86 ports) says, "Linux
doesn't live up to its hype" and is now important in the freeBSD
project. His criticism is mainly that Linux's development model is
flawed, and he prefers the freeBSD single source tree.
Just thought people might be interested.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: OK, so how do they do it?
Date: 28 May 2000 00:07:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 May 2000 23:28:40 GMT Karel Jansens <jansens_at_ibm_dot_net> wrote:
>So how did my kernel know which port my ZIP-drive was on???!!!
I'm assuming it probes them all (by sending SCSI commands) and fixes
on the port that answers.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
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