Linux-Misc Digest #642, Volume #24 Mon, 29 May 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PPP advice after switching from kde to gnome (John Hasler)
Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs (Blake LeBaron)
Re: Netscape Bookmarks/Offline newsreader? (John Thompson)
Re: What is Enlightenment? ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs (Ian Mortimer)
Re: PPP advice after switching from kde to gnome ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why? (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4 ("Yves Cornet")
Re: Netscape Bookmarks/Offline newsreader? (Prasanth A. Kumar)
WANTED: How to permit universal read ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Exchange features in Sendmail ??? (Robert Lynch)
Patching the Kernel? (Nelson and Satasha Williams)
Re: how to configure my on-board agp card!! (Robert Lynch)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4 (JC Vollmer)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: Exchange features in Sendmail ??? ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: LILO won't boot after update to 2.2.14: "LIWrong loader: giving up." (Leonard
Evens)
glibc, libc5, libc6 (Eddy Young)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:16:22 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>In comp.os.linux.misc h3$[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: Think engineering, not just coding. coding takes only about
>: 15% of the resources and effort (even if that) on a large
>: software project. The rest is specification, design, requirments,
>: source control, bug tracking, test suites, regression testing, QA,
>: maintainance, and many other tasks not related to coding.
>Ask yourself WHY you think that's necessary. Think profoundly, because
>a lot of very clever people have already considered it, and you are
>going to have to produce a sophisticated rationale.
That is probably one of the main reasons linux is where it is now --- both
in the positive and the negative sense.
Linux is written by geeks for geeks. Geeks like the 15%, and are not
particularly thrilled by the other 85%. So they tend to divide their
time something like 85/15, rather than 15/85.
As a result, a *lot* more coding gets done. Sometimes the resulting code
is crap --- so what, scrap it, redo it from scratch, with what you have
learned from the mistakes you made the first time around. You can do
that four times, and *still* get the good version before the person who
does 15/85.
Of course, such programming behaviour is completely impossible in a commercial
environment, where you have deadlines to meet and the client wants progress
reports all the time. You can't go to your client and say "Well, you know,
the program version we demoed to you last month --- turned out we had
made some fundamental mistakes at the start, so we are restarting from
scratch". It just won't do. The client would think you wasted your time,
and their money.
The scary part is that quite often, the paying customer would be far
better off if you *could* say that. I know of a project that has cost
many millions of dollars already, and which will cost many millions more,
be late, and never work quite reliably. That's because they made a
fundamental mistake in the way they designed their database, right at
the start. But you can't say that to a client after the client spent
millions of dollars, so instead they continue putting band aids everywhere,
and the project is limping along.
The nice thing about linux (as well as university studies ;-) is that there
is no shame in admitting you screwed up. Last year, I completely rewrote
the program for my PhD thesis --- as a result of running into limitations
of the original design. I am now starting to run into the limitations
of the current implementation, so if I wanted to take this thing any further,
I would probably look at what I learned, and rewrite again.
The thing, however, is --- I could never have come up with the design for
even the current implementation, let alone the next one, when I first started.
It takes time, experience and experimentation to find out what one might
*want* to do. And sometimes the new ideas on what one wants to do do not mesh
with a design that predates them. Such is life. You try to avoid it, you
try to design everything as generic and versatile as you can, but sometimes
some later ideas cannot be accomodated in the design.
Bernie
--
All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others
George Orwell
English novelist, 1903-50
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP advice after switching from kde to gnome
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:26:08 GMT
If kppp works for you, keep using it. It will work fine as long as you
still have the kde libraries installed.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Blake LeBaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:21:06 GMT
Matlab itself runs in linux (www.mathworks.com).
Also, there is a free close relative in octave
(www.che.wisc.edu/octave/).
There are several others available as well, but I don't know much about
them myself.
Blake
Jon wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Anyone here knows of a MatLab or MathCad like program
> which will work in Linux?. Thanks.
>
> Jon
--
Blake LeBaron (www.brandeis.edu/~blebaron)
Graduate School of International Economics and Finance
Brandeis University, Mailstop 32
Waltham, MA 02454-9110
Voice: (781) 736-2258 Fax: (781) 736-2269
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Bookmarks/Offline newsreader?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:59:02 -0500
"Rev. James Cort" wrote:
> The other problem is that, as a .uk user, local phone calls are metered.
> ATM, I can't change my phone company. Therefore, I'm looking for a
> newsreader with offline newsreading support. I don't want to set up a
> fully-blown news spooler for the sake of 2 or 3 newsgroups. Something
> which runs in X but with a certain amount of keyboard shortcuts would be
> nice, but not essential. I *definitely* want software which has reached
> a stable release. I've looked at PAN but it claims to be at alpha-
> release level.
>
> Neither of these things appear to be mentioned in the FAQ. Shame,
> really, because offline newsreading is the only thing remaining before I
> can move over entirely to linux and officially vapourise all Microsoft
> OS's from my hard drive.
You don't need to install a full-blown nntp server to read
off-line. You could install a light-weight server like
"leafnode" can configure it to receive only the groups you wish
to follow. IIRC, text-mode news readers like SLRN and YARN have
an offline mode. Or you could even run the Windows news reader
"agent" under wine from linux.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:29:04 GMT
Here it is in a nutshell:
The X Window system provides the basic support for a windowing
environment. A window manger (e.g., Blackbox, Enlightenment, fvwm) makes
the X Window environment functional by providing support for configuring
window borders, title bars, close buttons, etc. A desktop environment
(e.g., Gnome, KDE) sits on top of the window manager and provides a common
look and feel to all the programs that run on the desktop.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister) wrote:
> My, my, such a thrist for knowledge. Commendable, beware you might drown
> it though. Have you looked on http://www.enlightenment.org/
>
> Try man X
>
>
> On 29 May 2000 09:39:30 PST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>Could someone help me understand. What is Enlightenment?
>>
>>As a matter of fact what are the aspects that make X work on a system?
>>In a nutshell what is the Gnome part and what is the Enlightenment part?
>>What is a Windows Manager?
>>
>
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From: Ian Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:29:49 +0000
There is also scilab which looks and behaves in a similar fashion to
matlab and has several addon toolboxes (fuzzy logic, neural nets, etc)
http://www-rocq.inria.fr/scilab/
rgds,
Ian.
Jon wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Anyone here knows of a MatLab or MathCad like program
> which will work in Linux?. Thanks.
>
> Jon
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From: "Tom Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP advice after switching from kde to gnome
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:31:06 GMT
Gnome has a PPP configuration tool and dialer. Look for them in the Gnome
menu under Internet. Spruce is the only GUI-based e-mail program I know
of that is gnome-aware. There may be others. Look at www.gnome.org.
They have a listing of the gnome-aware programs.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just upgraded from Red Hat 5.2 to 6.2. I thought I'd try Gnome for
> awhile. I have the PPP connection that I configured under kde and I can
> still connect through that. I was wondering how PPP is typically done in
> Gnome?
>
> For example, kde has something called kppp that works great. Also, I was
> wondering if there is a nice gui email program that works with Gnome? My
> girlfriend uses Eudora Pro in Windows, but if I could find something as
> user friendly as Eudora then the need to boot into the Windows partition
> would be reduced. Thanks.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:34:21 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : I would like to understand why Linuxconf is running as a daemon,
> : when I thought it is only used when one needs to configure
> : some aspect of Linux
> : Mike
>
> Presumably it's sitting waiting for you to contact it (by the web?)
> and ask it to configure something!
>
> Peter
If anyone hasn't used 'webmin', it is way nicer than Linuxconf and
entirely accessed through a browser.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Yves Cornet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:38:42 -0700
For audio-CD's you'll need a separate cable connecting your CD-ROM player to
your sound card. Sound from audio CD's isn't played through the IDE or SCSI
cable. If you open the case, you can see whether it just hangs loose or if
it's missing. Most of the times, it's a four-wire cable. Can be found in any
computer store.
If you have the cable installed, perhaps the internal audio connection of
the sound card is disabled. I think this is only possible on a PCI SB16 ...
"JC Vollmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:rFxY4.5054$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello.
> I've just installed SuSE Linux 6.4 on my PentiumII/450.
> I've noticed that when I try to play an audio CD with Kscd,
> I can see the readout indicating that it is playing, but I
> get no sound.
> I have no difficulty playing .wav files, so I know that the
> SoundBlaster16 is working. Still, I'd like to be able to play
> audio CDs.
>
> Is there something I've neglected to enable?
>
>
> --
> JC VOLLMER TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
> FARCEUR&RACONTEUR IGNORE FULLWISE DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
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Subject: Re: Netscape Bookmarks/Offline newsreader?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:49:07 GMT
"Rev. James Cort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Two questions:
>
> I'm using Red Hat 6.0, recently upgraded Netscape to 4.7
>
> Since the upgrade, Netscape informs me that there was an "Error saving
> bookmarks file!" shortly after startup. This happens if I'm logged in as
> root or as an ordinary, unpriveliged user. I've tried wiping the
> .netscape directory (not as if I use Netscape for anything important),
> didn't help.
>
<snip>
I had the 'error saving bookmarks file' problem if I copied the
Netscape configuration files for one user to another. This is because
there are some references in the files to other directories of the
older user.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WANTED: How to permit universal read
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:38:39 GMT
Hi all,
In setting up a network back-up routine, I'd like to be able to create a
user with the ability to read everything on the local filesystems. I
cannot simply include auxiliary groups to do this, since some of the
files are owned by users with external groups defined by a NIS server.
Alternatively, is it possible to create an alterate administrator (root)
whose superuser permissions could be restricted?
Thanks.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:45:03 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Exchange features in Sendmail ???
Villy Kruse wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 May 2000 17:33:40 -0700, Benson Lei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I just want to know that :
> >
> >I know, in Exchange Server, there is a global Email address list ( listing
> >all users's email server whenever
> >connecting the Exchange Server by using Outlook2000).
> >
> >Does anybody know that if Sendmail has such a features ? If yes, how ??
> >
> >Since only except this feature, any feature in Exchange can be replaced by
> >Sendmail, and I am going to
> >use Sendmail to replace the Exchange Server.
> >
>
> You can set up a ldap server for this purpose.
>
> Villy
And by chance I ran across this useful link yesterday:
"The Exchange Server Replacement HOWTO"
http://www.moongroup.com/docs/exchange-replacement-howto/
which shows you exactly how to do it.
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Nelson and Satasha Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Patching the Kernel?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:59:50 -0400
I'm kinda a Linux newbie, who has never done anything with the kernel.
I just reinstalled my Redhat 5.2 (apollo), and I'd like to patch the my
kernel with the patches at LINUXHQ. My question is, are kernel patches
similar to OS/2 fixpacks? What I mean is, does a later patch contain
the all previous fixes? For example, does patch 2.0.38 have everything
2.0.30 has, plus additional fixes?
I'd just like to know before I download 38 patches.
Thanks in advance.
Nelson
User of OS/2 Warp 4, BeOS 5, Virus95 (for games), and hopefully Linux
again.
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:54:54 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to configure my on-board agp card!!
Arun Mahajan wrote:
>
> hello Everybody,
>
> I've recently bought a HP brio machine with PentiumIII, 550MHz, 128mb ram,
> 8mb matrox mga200 agp card. with this i failed to configure it for startx.
> Could you pleas let me know if it is possible to configure the on-board
> graphics card. if yes, a deatiled instruction will be highly appeciated.
>
> thanks in advance for the help.
>
> regards,
> Arun mahajan
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
Hiya-
I bought a system from VALinux which uses an onboard agp card. Their
setup used the card like this in XF86Config:
====
Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel 810"
VendorName "Intel"
BoardName "810"
# 5-11-00 try adding power saving option
Option "power_saver"
VideoRam 4096
EndSection
====
with server XF86_SVGA.
You may need a kernel with agp support, which I found out when I
compiled the recently released 2.4.0-test1 and I couldn't get X to work
until I recompiled with this support. I didn't know about this since I
was just using the stock VALinux kernel (customized RH6.2 distro)
supplied with the VALinux install on the system.
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 29 May 2000 19:11:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
:>
:> No. I am questioning your basic tenets. One of those tenets is that
:> linux development is an engineering process, with objectives, plans,
:> milestones, problem tracking and so on.
: I think you're replying to someone else. I have never made any statement
Very possibly. With people posting under pseudonyms I can only tell who
the poster is by the tone and content! You're entirely too reasonable
to be the main protagonist in this thread.
: espousing such tenets. In particular, I think OS's lack of schedules is
: one of its biggest strengths.
:> Once you accept that it is possibly not what you think it is
: First you need to accept that you've gravely misunderstood my position.
It's quite possible. Out of mild interest, what is your position?
Peter
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From: JC Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:25:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc JC Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hello.
: I've just installed SuSE Linux 6.4 on my PentiumII/450.
: I've noticed that when I try to play an audio CD with Kscd,
: I can see the readout indicating that it is playing, but I
: get no sound.
: I have no difficulty playing .wav files, so I know that the
: SoundBlaster16 is working. Still, I'd like to be able to play
: audio CDs.
: Is there something I've neglected to enable?
I forgot to add that theres no cabling problem. Everything is fine if I
boot into NT - except that I'm running NT, of course.
--
JC VOLLMER TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
[EMAIL PROTECTED] SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
FARCEUR&RACONTEUR IGNORE FULLWISE DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:22:41 +0100
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>
> Out of mild interest, what is your position?
I have a tendency to reply only to parts of posts I disagree with. :) In
this case, the parts were 1) Linux development is 'free' (as in beer,
not as in speech), and 2) since Linux is successful, that means that
bug-tracking isn't necessary.
Not being privy to the innards of Linux development, I wouldn't dare
suggest that bug-tracking _is_ necessary--simply that it's worth
discussing. It does seem to me that with a hyperdistributed development
effort, some standard engineering tools can help manage communications
(Brooks' bugbear). But I don't really know, which is why I only comment
on the parts I have done.
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Exchange features in Sendmail ???
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:28:16 -0500
On Mon, 29 May 2000, Benson Lei wrote:
[ snip ]
+ I know, in Exchange Server, there is a global Email address list ( listing
+ all users's email server whenever
+ connecting the Exchange Server by using Outlook2000).
I am not sure what you mean, as I do not use Exchange Server for
anything ( I am a UNIX admin, so that would be blasphemy ).
However, if by 'global Email address list' you mean an
address directory, then you need to take a look at LDAP.
LPAP stands for Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. It basically
provides address book facilities that you can tailor to your needs
to include a global address book. You may want to check out
http://www.openldap.org.
+ Does anybody know that if Sendmail has such a features ? If yes, how ??
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe sendmail
will _directly_ provide what you need. Sendmail is an MTA, it routes
email, but does not provide address book features.. I suppose if your
sysadmin was weak on security, you could probably telnet to your mail
server, and do an 'expn' or 'vrfy'... But this is most often turned
off, for good reason.
+ Since only except this feature, any feature in Exchange can be replaced by
+ Sendmail, and I am going to
+ use Sendmail to replace the Exchange Server.
Good idea, better still, replace the whole OS. :-)
+ Thank you for your help.
Your welcome, if I helped.
Regards,
anm
--
/*-------------------------------------------------------.
| Andrew N. McGuire |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
`-------------------------------------------------------*/
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:26:30 +0100
Ray wrote:
>
> But the projects I listed arn't even part of the kernel and in one case
> isn't even Linux specific.
I see what you mean. In that case, I'd say that it would perhaps be
_desirable_ to have a bug-tracking database that could manage project
interconnections like those of which you speak, but it's not feasible.
That is, I feel that such a database would be better than doing
full-text searches against mailing list archives, which you disagreed
with.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,hannover.uni.comp.linux,de.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Re: LILO won't boot after update to 2.2.14: "LIWrong loader: giving up."
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:09:19 -0500
Andrei Dumitrescu wrote:
>
> Hi there folks,
> maybe some of you could help me (please please please) with my problem
> here.
> I have a PC with Win NT and Linux. I'm using NT's boot manager to select
> what OS to boot. Last week I updated my linux distro (SuSE 6.2) to 2.2.14
> (SuSE 6.4), using the (semi)automatic update procedure from SuSE's setup
> tool. After completion of the process I tried to reboot from hdd, but
> after selecting Linux (as usual) from NT's boot manager, LILO wouldn't
> boot linux, saying
> LIWrong loader: giving up.
> I then tried to reinstall/reconfigure LILO either using Yast (the SuSE
> setup tool), or manually by editing lilo.conf and then running /sbin/lilo,
> but it still wouldn't work, and I can still boot linux only from the
> boot/install floppy, which is quite cumbersome esp. since I frequently
> need apps from both Linux and NT.
> Here's what my lilo.conf looks like at the moment:
>
> # LILO configuration file
> # Start LILO global Section
> # If you want to prevent console users to boot with init=/bin/bash,
> # restrict usage of boot params by setting a passwd and using the option
> # restricted.
> #password=bootpwd
> #restricted
> boot=/dev/hda5
> #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems.
> vga=normal
> read-only
> prompt
> timeout=050
> # End LILO global Section
> #
> image = /boot/vmlinuz
> root = /dev/hda5
> label = linux
>
> Please post any suggestions.
> TIA,
> Andrei
Details about lilo are always subject to change, and I'm not
sure exactly how lilo is affected if one uses the NT bootloader
as the first booting mechanism. But normally, you aren't
supposed to put lilo in the first sector of a logical partition.
/dev/hda5 is a logical partition. You might try changing that
to the extended partition containing /dev/hda5. That would
be the boot=... line.
You might also study the Linux+NT-loader mini HOWTO. Check
the latest version at the Linux Documentation Project.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:54:21 +0400
From: Eddy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: glibc, libc5, libc6
Can anyone explain the differences, or point to a useful URL?
Thanks,
Eddy
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