Linux-Misc Digest #498, Volume #27 Sun, 1 Apr 01 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: poll: which OS ("John Kelly")
minimize button as a root user (arasu)
Re: minimize button as a root user (Michael Heiming)
Signature collecting campaign for PlayStation2 Linux. ("Shin MICHIMUKO")
Re: bzip, rpm files in Windows ("Harlan Grove")
Re: CD-RW problem (Michael Heiming)
Re: need help booting linux (Stanislaw Flatto)
Re: CD-RW problem (Stanislaw Flatto)
Re: *** You need to install DocBook stylesheets *** (Cal Page)
2.4.3 Kernel Build Fails ldmxcsr in i387.c ? (Cal Page)
Re: system.map ("green")
Re: system.map ("green")
LOCAL: April 3 LUGOD Meeting: FLTK Talk (William Kendrick)
Embedded system with nfsroot & ramdisk - how to boot it? (Wojciech Zabolotny)
Re: system.map (Michael Heiming)
Re: Support for LCD Monitors? (Markku Kolkka)
Re: Support for LCD Monitors? (Markku Kolkka)
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From: "John Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: poll: which OS
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:57:55 -0500
It doesn't even let you choose the real answer to the question: Mac OS X.
Anyone on here try it yet? Once it supports DVD and gets the kinks worked
out, I'm sure it will be the best OS ever. Now if only I could afford that
sweet titanium....
>>>John
"Jay Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> This is the wrong place to pose that question
>
>
> Newsreada wrote:
> >
> > this man needs help... a lot of it
> >
> > The new SunPoll and the
> > announcement about our new Services Division. Here is the latest
> > SunPoll:
> >
> > "What do you consider the most compelling OS of the next 5 years?
> > (whether or not you intent to use it)
> > - Windows 2000/Whistler
> > - Windows ME
> > - Linux
> > - Solaris
> > - Some other OS
> >
> > Vote here, the left column has the SunPoll.
> > No religious wars please ;-)
> >
> > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/index.htm
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From: arasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: minimize button as a root user
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:42:20 +1000
A silly question please. I login as a root user. When I click the
minimize button of any
application, the window does not stay at the bottom panel. Is there any
specific reason for that?
Linux version 1, Redhat 7.0. Thanks.
-arasu
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:52:05 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: minimize button as a root user
arasu wrote:
>
> A silly question please. I login as a root user. When I click the
> minimize button of any
> application, the window does not stay at the bottom panel. Is there any
> specific reason for that?
I don't know, but anyway you should not run X as root, there is no
reason.
Michael Heiming
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From: "Shin MICHIMUKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Signature collecting campaign for PlayStation2 Linux.
Date: 1 Apr 2001 07:52:43 GMT
Hello everybody,
We are now doing a Signature-collecting campaign for PlayStation2
Linux. Some of you know, this campaign began on March 4th, the 1st
anniversary day of PlayStation2 in Japan. The number of signature is
over 5,000 now. We send this list to SCEI when it reached 10,000. We
need your help, because over 4,000 signatures were from Japan only.
Please see the detail at:
http://www.fakeroot.net/ps2linux/ English site.
http://www.peanuts.gr.jp/pslinux/ Japanese site.
Briefly: the rumor (Linux can be run on PlayStation2!) was made by
unknown people few months ago. But last month, the situation was
slightly changed. Mr. Kutaragi, President of SCEI, was talking to our
friend Mr.Ogoshi (very famous guy in Japan with his nickname,
Ogochan), and said that the quality of Linux on PlayStation2 is ready
to be a product. But he is also wondering that users of Linux want to
get it or support it. According to Ogochan, Mr. Kutaragi wonders
about it because it is not so profitable.
Anyway, we are thinking that SCEI wants to know how many people are
wanting and waiting the release of Linux on PlayStation2. I started
the web page with my friend (there was a mailing list talking about
the possibility of PS2 Linux). Japanese page is provided on my web
site, and English site is located in SourceForge.
The signatures we want is not limited which of Linux wizards or
nurds. We want them from all of the people who interested in it.
If Linux on PS2 will be available, many benefit will come to us and
SCEI. From the user's point of view, Linux for PS2 can provide CD and
DVD player by default, read e-mails and web sites on TV sets. For
developers and programmers, wide variety of games and applications
will be available, because of its world wide market share, very stable
and common hardware. For SCEI, it is very good chance to step up to be
a software company which provide the solution for home network. If it
will be released, it is not an over-estimation to think that it can be
a biggest Linux distribution.
So the signatures of all of those who will get the benefit of PS2
Linux are welcome. We need your support for this campaign.
Thank you for reading my bad English.
Regards,
Shin MICHIMUKO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
PS. I failed to post comp.os.linux.announce, so I post this article
again. If you see this twice, I am sorry.
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bzip, rpm files in Windows
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:00:31 GMT
Donald Stidwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>Power Archiver works fine with bzip and bzip2 files. And it's free too!
>Don't know of any Windows program that handles rpms so far.
Power Archiver is very good. As for rpms, try
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,000V79,.html
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:03:41 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD-RW problem
David wrote:
>
> The problem is in making audio CD's.
> I am able to make audio-CD's and play them on any computer CD player but
> if I try it on a portable CD player it won't work. The first audio-CD I
> made worked without any problems but I haven't been able to create one
> that works on both systems since.
>
> I have tried:
>
> xcdroast
> gcombust
> cdrecord by itself
> mkisofs and burn iso
>
> And none have worked since the first audio CD I made. All data CD's work
> without any problems, the only problem is with audio CD's.
>
> Yamaha SCSI 8824S CD-RW
>
> Any ideas as to what could be the problem?
> Thanks.
Hello,
did you try another audio CD player?
Sometimes burned CD wont work in newer CD player.
I haven't encountered this problem,
but my CD audio players are older.
I like to burn audio CDs from some I bought,
to have them redundant for my car CD changer.
Michael Heiming
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: need help booting linux
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:36:09 +1000
Smells like hardware problem, memory, motherboard, cards, power supply.
If it does not respond to a booting diskette then this comes to mind.
Any success with DOS???? (Not Windows) Try and drop a line.
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
Gary and Susan Krupa wrote:
> Can someone help me? Suddenly and mysteriously, my Linux partition
> refused to boot. After more than a year of no problems with Linux, now I
> can't use it at all.
>
> Many lines of code appear whenever I try to boot from the hard disk
> where my kernel's located. Eventually a message appears saying "kernel
> panic" or "sector xxxx isn't free" after fsck runs. Nor can I boot from
> my cd-rom installation disk, a boot disk or from the bootdisk / rootdisk
> combination that I set up from the cd-rom (although, the cd-rom has a
> different kernel version than what's on the Linux partition). Nothing so
> far has worked!
>
> I have a fairly recent backup but I'd rather not have to delete the
> partition and restore it. I'd be very grateful for whatever you can do
> to help me get into the partition.
>
> Gary Krupa
> Ventura, CA Linux user
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: CD-RW problem
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:42:10 +1000
Have you changed the media manufacturer??
Some are better than others in this application. (No names - just the sorry
experience that you have I had before)
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
David wrote:
> The problem is in making audio CD's.
> I am able to make audio-CD's and play them on any computer CD player but
> if I try it on a portable CD player it won't work. The first audio-CD I
> made worked without any problems but I haven't been able to create one
> that works on both systems since.
>
> I have tried:
>
> xcdroast
> gcombust
> cdrecord by itself
> mkisofs and burn iso
>
> And none have worked since the first audio CD I made. All data CD's work
> without any problems, the only problem is with audio CD's.
>
> Yamaha SCSI 8824S CD-RW
>
> Any ideas as to what could be the problem?
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
> Completed more W/U's than 99.140% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: Cal Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *** You need to install DocBook stylesheets ***
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 04:47:30 -0400
I looked at the site and I am unsure what exactly I am to install to get
the documentaiton to
build.
Is there an install guide?
Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cal Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I get the above error trying to 'make htmldocs' for the
> > 2.4.3 kernel. Does anyone know where I can find these stylesheets?
>
> <http://nwalsh.com/> is the canonical site...
> --
> (concatenate 'string "aa454" "@freenet.carleton.ca")
> http://vip.hyperusa.com/~cbbrowne/resume.html
> "That's convenience, not cracker-proofing. Security is an emergent
> property, not a feature." -- void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Cal Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2.4.3 Kernel Build Fails ldmxcsr in i387.c ?
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 04:56:56 -0400
When I try to build the 2.4.3 kernel, I get the following compilation
error:
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/sdc1/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=i686 -c -o
i387.o i387.c
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:30: Error: no such 386 instruction: `ldmxcsr'
{standard input}:52: Error: no such 386 instruction: `fxsave'
{standard input}:87: Error: no such 386 instruction: `fxsave'
{standard input}:115: Error: no such 386 instruction: `fxrstor'
The latest 2.96.2 gcc doesn't built it, nor does egcs.
What am I missing?
Thanks,
Cal
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:40:31 +1000
I have no clue on what an alternator may be
charges the battery. generates Ac regulated through diodes compared to a
generator
producing dc current.
dc current like pin number ( personal identification number number)
alternator provides higher current levels.
"Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PFgx6.22713$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If you don't know what it's for, you don't need it.
> > > Don't bother with that file yet, just leave it where it is.
> > > (You could use it for debugging, if you must know)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> >
> > typically people who query a newsgroup like to get their questions
> answered
> > in full and as accurately as possible. what you've basically told him
is,
> > "if you don't know what an alternator is, your car doesn't need it."
why
> > reply, if you're not going to help? the only thing you've done is leave
> him
> > even more confused than before.
>
> once more: please read.
> I told him exactly what it was for, and that he doesn't need it.
>
> I have no clue on what an alternator may be, try the Dutch word, perhaps
> then I know what you mean, but if you must make a car analogy: I told him
> that an analysis tool to check the composition of the exhaust gasses is
> useless for him, if he doesn't know what it's for, or how to use it.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:44:10 +1000
man system.map didn't turn up any thing.
before this post I never used klogd and probably wouldn't have thought man
klogd would tell me about system.map.
"Michael Heiming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Noah Roberts wrote:
> >
> > Michael Heiming wrote:
> >
> > > green wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Question what do you do if you have multi versions of kernels ? e.g.
2.2,
> > > > 2.4, different configs etc.
> > > >
> > > > System map can't match all.
> > >
> > > That's right,
> > >
> > > cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-<kernel ver>
> > >
> > > and the kernel will know, wich one to use, or you get in
> > > /var/log/messages:
> > >
> > > Warning: /boot/System.map has an incorrect kernel version.
> > >
> > > But the System will run, as Peter T. Breuer posted to this thread.
> >
> > I have never gotten these errors and I changed from 2.2.16 to 2.4.2 and
did
> > not use System.map.......
> >
> > What exactly is system.map for? I have never seen the point in it or
the
> > /boot directory and I am a 6 year linux user. The only thing I can
think of
> > that NEEDS it is Grub.
>
> OK, since actually not very much people seem to read man pages:
>
> From man klogd
>
> As a convenience klogd will attempt to resolve kernel
> numeric addresses to their symbolic forms if a kernel sym
> bol table is available at execution time. A symbol table
> may be specified by using the -k switch on the command
> line. If a symbol file is not explicitly specified the
> following filenames will be tried:
>
> /boot/System.map
> /System.map
> /usr/src/linux/System.map
>
> It's basically for kernel debugging info, to make it better readable.
>
> I'm using SuSE distros since they came out (4.2) about 5 years ago,
> there
> was always System.map in /boot, so I always copied it to /boot, in case
> I
> compiled a new kernel.
>
> Case you get trouble with your machine Ie. faulty RAM, you will see that
> it's actually useful to have this file.
>
> Michael Heiming
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From: William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LOCAL: April 3 LUGOD Meeting: FLTK Talk
Crossposted-To: ucd.general,ucd.life,ucd.cs.club,sac.announce,sac.general
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:44:10 GMT
LUGOD, The Linux Users' Group of Davis, will hold its next meeting on:
Tuesday
April 3, 2001
6:30pm - 9:30pm
The meeting will be held at:
Z-World, Inc.
2900 Spafford Street
Davis, CA 95616
The topic will be:
FLTK: Fast/Light Toolkit
presented by Gabriel Rosa
FLTK (Fast Light Toolkit) is an LGPL'd (free, source available)
C++ graphical user interface toolkit for X, OpenGL, and WIN32.
FLTK was designed to be small and modular enough to be statically
linked. FLTK also works fine as a shared library and has started
being included on Linux distributions.
For details on this meeting, maps, directions, public transportation
schedules, etc., visit:
http://www.lugod.org/meeting/
LUGOD is a non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux Operating System,
and which holds meetings twice a month in Davis, CA.
Meetings are always free, and open to the public.
Please visit our website for details:
http://www.lugod.org/
-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lugod.org/
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From: Wojciech Zabolotny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.embedded
Subject: Embedded system with nfsroot & ramdisk - how to boot it?
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:47:15 +0200
Hi All,
I need to prepare the small embedded system, using the read only nfsroot,
but having the /etc /var and /tmp directories located in the ramdisk.
Now I need some pointers how to arrange the boot sequence of that system.
The most obvious way is to boot with nfsroot, and use the modified "init"
to create the ramdisk, mount it and copy the "starting templates" of /etc
and /var to it. The /etc /var and /tmp directories in the root system
will be just the symlinks to /ramdisk/etc /ramdisk/tmp and /ramdisk/var.
It should be easy, because I use the "etlinux" distribution, where
/sbin/init
is just an Tcl script.
However I wouldn't like to reinvent the wheel, maybe there are another
well tested methods for booting such systems?
BTW. Is the /etc/mtab the only reason to have /etc mounted read-write?
TIA & Regards
Wojtek Zabolotny
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PS. Please Cc the answer to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:52:07 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system.map
green wrote:
>
> man system.map didn't turn up any thing.
> before this post I never used klogd and probably wouldn't have thought man
> klogd would tell me about system.map.
This is true, but did you really read the first post to this thread I
wrote?
"For more info about system.map read:
man klogd
and (comes with the kernel sources):
Documentation/oops-tracing.txt"
Michael Heiming
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Support for LCD Monitors?
Date: 01 Apr 2001 12:53:08 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Buzzard) writes:
> > I think PnP
> > just means the monitor can identify its model to the PC through the VGA
> > connector.
>
> It can do a bit more than that I believe it can also signal what 'modes'
> it can cope with.
If you are running XFree86 4.0.x, you can check in the file
/var/log/XFree86.0.log to see all the information your monitor gives
through DDC. For example (with some stuff deleted):
(II) R128(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully
(II) R128(0): Manufacturer: ICL Model: 700 Serial#: 909
(II) R128(0): Year: 1995 Week: 45
(II) R128(0): EDID Version: 1.0
(II) R128(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.300 V
(II) R128(0): Sync: Separate
(II) R128(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 26 vert.: 20
(II) R128(0): Gamma: 2.20
(II) R128(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display
(II) R128(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.310 greenY: 0.592
(II) R128(0): blueX: 0.150 blueY: 0.063 whiteX: 0.303 whiteY: 0.325
(II) R128(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[... long list of video modes ...]
(II) R128(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
(II) R128(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
[... even more video modes ...]
(==) R128(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 30.00-64.00 kHz
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 48.00-100.00 Hz
(II) R128(0): Clock range: 12.50 to 400.00 MHz
[... list of modes rejected because of incompatible sync frequencies ...]
(--) R128(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
(**) R128(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz
(--) R128(0): Display dimensions: (26, 20) cm
(--) R128(0): DPI set to (100, 97)
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Support for LCD Monitors?
Date: 01 Apr 2001 12:53:08 +0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Buzzard) writes:
> > I think PnP
> > just means the monitor can identify its model to the PC through the VGA
> > connector.
>
> It can do a bit more than that I believe it can also signal what 'modes'
> it can cope with.
If you are running XFree86 4.0.x, you can check in the file
/var/log/XFree86.0.log to see all the information your monitor gives
through DDC. For example (with some stuff deleted):
(II) R128(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully
(II) R128(0): Manufacturer: ICL Model: 700 Serial#: 909
(II) R128(0): Year: 1995 Week: 45
(II) R128(0): EDID Version: 1.0
(II) R128(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.300 V
(II) R128(0): Sync: Separate
(II) R128(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 26 vert.: 20
(II) R128(0): Gamma: 2.20
(II) R128(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display
(II) R128(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.310 greenY: 0.592
(II) R128(0): blueX: 0.150 blueY: 0.063 whiteX: 0.303 whiteY: 0.325
(II) R128(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[... long list of video modes ...]
(II) R128(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
(II) R128(0): Supported additional Video Mode:
[... even more video modes ...]
(==) R128(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 30.00-64.00 kHz
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 48.00-100.00 Hz
(II) R128(0): Clock range: 12.50 to 400.00 MHz
[... list of modes rejected because of incompatible sync frequencies ...]
(--) R128(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
(**) R128(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz
(--) R128(0): Display dimensions: (26, 20) cm
(--) R128(0): DPI set to (100, 97)
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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